Thread: hey guys check this out i think i might have somthing here

Hello everyone



We know that baccarat is close to 50/50 bankers vs players ................we also know that each independent hand is also 50/50 ..................we also know that single's vs doubles vs triples vs 4's/5's and 6's or more ,cant be beat unless we use a martingale and have a 2% bust ratio..........................................but thats still not a gaurantee for a profit ......only because we would have to perhaps chase our money for maybe a month just to get it back in some cases ...........so why waste the time and energy trying to set ourselves up for a gaurantee and.................. take advantage of all those wonder ideas.......... put them together and gamble like men with some balls baby.......Check this out


singles B/P occur about 18x a shoe average............................x = times in a shoe
doubles BB/PP occur about 9x a shoe average
triples BBB/PPP occur about 5x a shoe
4's BBBB/PPPP about 2.25x a shoe
5's BBBBB/PPPPP about 1.12x a shoe
runs of 6's or more about the other 1.12x of the shoe



5's happen about 2 to 3 % ever shoe on average so knowing this why not bet the doubles/triples/4's only jumping the opposite way using martingale as a starting bet of 1/2/4 and if you bust losing 7units wait until the next BB/PP and recover the loss +1unit............ if lose go 8 /14/22........ if win start over .........if lose continue to the third recovery at 44/88/166 ..............if lose stop .........start over with 1unit if win your +1 unit............... but here is the catch always add the commision to your the banker bets only ........and stop at a win of +7 .......now wait for the bust...... then reduce your bet........ in in half and try to pick up7 more half bets if you succeed quit.............. that puts you in the + of 10.5 units ..................if you lose the half bet chase it that means a double bust has happenend and the odds of it happening again are far less likely to occur less than a 1% chance.................. chase your money using martingale with doubling the bet on the third try .......instead of betting 1/2/4 go 2/4/8........ you will have a better chance of winning than ever before bet more if you lose quit if you win.......




ill break it much better later if your interested

thanks

Your math is wrong

14 if you win your down -1
22 if you win your down -7
I hope this will help you And if I missed read I am sorry

Problem is if BBBBB PPPPP BBBBB doesn't it kill your system??

Hello Joker, I thought you are not interesting in gambling no more! Welcome back! We do need your expertise on baccarat.

Brandon.

people forget about the math or the # of units need to bet i do have a few mistakes there but the idea of 5's or more busting three consecutive times back to back is the only thing that creates a loss everything else is chased using martingale system...so knowing this are chances of busting are less than a percent !% to be exact plus take in to consideration the x1.1 increase to cover you banker commision even if player wins and there is no commission your ahead more on player than bank if bank wins your ahead 1 uint still so i think this is one of the ways in the long run to gaurantee us success

This is the only way we can lose or bust .....3 consecutive runs of 5's or more is the only way of losing a series or a session other wise we make a unit on bank or even more on player because the is no commission on player and we have commision in or units to cover the commission in chase bank wins.....


look at this shoe...

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at this point were up 11 units + more we only lose if this happens
bbbbb
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ppppp........or this
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bbbbb........the odds of this happening are2% out of 100 shoes....

Here is a shoe I just pulled from the files
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There was some ties
I hope this helps you

where is the sign of me coming back???

well, all i did say was BBBBB PPPPP BBBBB will kill the system and this can happen soon or later....

or something like BBBBB PPPPPPP BBBBBBBBB

i did try this type of system.. i won $200 in 30 min and wiped my bankroll when sort of BBBBBBB PPPPPP BBBBBB came out...

i mean it is so hard to get money back when you are 7 units or more behind...

I also did wait 4 streak and did 3 step .... its all same thing....

see i am not trying to be negative... i mean i wish there is a winning system... but if you think logically it will all come back to 50/50 or less... no matter what you do.. unless you make one big shot bet $100,0000 on bank and win then quite gambling then that can be done... but you can also lose $100,0000 how wise to do this???

this is my experience, but when you actually bet actually MONEY then system tend to break down.. when you do test with paper then system tend to sustain.. you have to remember casino game is sort of slow.. it make us bit annoying when you are losing......


if I ever come back and play the any casino game.. i would do opposite of this.. i will try to follow the streak all the way....

i mean only way and easiest way to win in streak is find simple pattern, like PPPPPPPPP PBPBPBPBPB BBBBBPBBBBPBBBPBBB

then let it ride and win big at it... .there is one person wait till 7 streak and let it ride and won huge money when 16 streak came out....

can you imagine you are trying to beat streak???? man too scary to think about it.. that's how i lost.....

see if you start with $10, and keep double up and lose $20,000 then you don't feel that bad, but can you imagine you put $20,000 to just win $10???? that's just as crazy as it get.....

using the martingale system betting $25/$50/$105 is the first step if you lose go $225/$450/$925 2nd step if you lose go $1900/$3900/$8025 if you lose you bust -$31,210 if you win the first series you win 1 unit if you win the second or 3rd attempt you break even on banker make a profit on player..... the odds of this happening is less than 2% of ever 100 shoes do the math 15605 x 2 =31,210 vs 15 units at $25 a unit =$375 x 100 =37,500 showing a 6,290 profit about $65 average per shoe over 100 shoes hats not bad earning $325 a day planning 5 hours a day and $1625 a week playing 5 days a week workin 25 hours .....could be a great side job but you need to have a br of 4 times the bust of 31,210 about 125,000 to play ........why not?

Hey you know that guy sethbets use he's target system playing this way and your for sure looking good......a gaurantee

I just showed you a show that went to 14 bets
Good luck with it

Originally Posted by Joker

where is the sign of me coming back???

well, all i did say was BBBBB PPPPP BBBBB will kill the system and this can happen soon or later....

or something like BBBBB PPPPPPP BBBBBBBBB

i did try this type of system.. i won $200 in 30 min and wiped my bankroll when sort of BBBBBBB PPPPPP BBBBBB came out...

i mean it is so hard to get money back when you are 7 units or more behind...

I also did wait 4 streak and did 3 step .... its all same thing....

see i am not trying to be negative... i mean i wish there is a winning system... but if you think logically it will all come back to 50/50 or less... no matter what you do.. unless you make one big shot bet $100,0000 on bank and win then quite gambling then that can be done... but you can also lose $100,0000 how wise to do this???

this is my experience, but when you actually bet actually MONEY then system tend to break down.. when you do test with paper then system tend to sustain.. you have to remember casino game is sort of slow.. it make us bit annoying when you are losing......


if I ever come back and play the any casino game.. i would do opposite of this.. i will try to follow the streak all the way....

i mean only way and easiest way to win in streak is find simple pattern, like PPPPPPPPP PBPBPBPBPB BBBBBPBBBBPBBBPBBB

then let it ride and win big at it... .there is one person wait till 7 streak and let it ride and won huge money when 16 streak came out....

can you imagine you are trying to beat streak???? man too scary to think about it.. that's how i lost.....

see if you start with $10, and keep double up and lose $20,000 then you don't feel that bad, but can you imagine you put $20,000 to just win $10???? that's just as crazy as it get.....

There you go Joker follow the trend don't try to break it just follow it. I know banker and player still in your head. I bet you can not get rid of it. Well whenever you are ready to come back to this game we are always here for you.

Brandon.

TS, I used your theory last year with great success initially. Its actually is pitboss method. I modified a bit to strengthen it. But still lost because i meet my nemesis shoe too many times. Two words, sibei suay.

Soooooooooo, the cat who proudly claimed to have lost MILLIONS at the baccarat knows claims to "have something", amazing! It's Guinness and cashew time, AGAIN, hey hey!

No thanks...

Look here guys there is no way that any system will win in short term success its impossable ,in a casino game like baccarat unless, your playing a slot and hit the jackpot ..........your doomed in the long run looking for quality wins short term .......but long term success is a reality for those that are prepared with the weapons/knowledge and support to go to war at the casino...............i say that because ive seen it year after year for five years straight till i decided to get greedy and bet more than i should have it pretty much put me on tilt till today........and ive been chasing it ever since......... i cannot tell you why i did what i did but i did it............ and know i cant step foot in a casino and play less than a 1000 a hand on average anymore..................... ive dropped close to fifty k a night going from a 100 200 dollar parlay looking for two in a row to win .....now its more like 2000/5000 im out of control and im doomed for success, i know that and thats why im here talking to you guys it helps control my itch lol ....................i also believe in some of the systems ive seen and read about if your going to stick with it and never give up.........but many of us will give up when the going gets tuff were only human...........look guys i can make anyone system look like shit .........by showing a couple of shoes that are bad for it but its not about the day or week or moment......... its about having patience and the weapons knowledge and support for a long term success.............

believe me controling emotion at casino is one of the hardest thing you can ask for... can you leave the casino with smile after losing $500? are you able to wait till next week without playing?? or without thinking about losing???

i mean greed is human nature.. and everybody has it.. otherwise we would not go to casino at first place....

you want more money that's why go to casino... if you are not greedy then no need to go to casino...

key for long term is following.... are you able to win or you have been winning after 5 years.. and how much??? is profit going up every single year????

have you met someone who has been winning last 5 years???

i mean make steady profit????

see if you find that such a person then just follow that person.... that's easy....

unless he always goes to private room or make table to private..

now your telling the truth

Originally Posted by Joker

believe me controling emotion at casino is one of the hardest thing you can ask for... can you leave the casino with smile after losing $500? are you able to wait till next week without playing?? or without thinking about losing???

i mean greed is human nature.. and everybody has it.. otherwise we would not go to casino at first place....

you want more money that's why go to casino... if you are not greedy then no need to go to casino...

key for long term is following.... are you able to win or you have been winning after 5 years.. and how much??? is profit going up every single year????

have you met someone who has been winning last 5 years???

i mean make steady profit????

see if you find that such a person then just follow that person.... that's easy....

unless he always goes to private room or make table to private..

Good morning Joker. Last night I won another $300.00 or 30 units. This my 3rd win consecutive. Joker human emotion and greed are very hard to control well if you know your weakness than learn to control it. The way I deal with my emotions and greed by treating the game like business. Hit the win goal target leave stay with progression. Greed get many gamblers in trouble. They always win at begin session but by the end lose (those need to cool off and learn why they lose). My goal right now to hit 10 consecutive wins to me it doesn't matter 10 units or 90 units as long as a win. I believe just 20 to 30 percent win goal of your bankroll can easily achieve. You must be prepare and do your home work everyday before steps your feet in that casino floor. Yes you CAN WIN this game stick with your game plan and stay with it.

Brandon.

Well, Again if you are winning that's fantastic.....

lol.. funny when i was writing this comment there was Casino commerical on TV... they are winning and having great time... lol...

again... if you do win next 5 years then i would call you as a real winner....

again a lot of people get misunderstand when they see winning person and think "they win all the time"

but again if you are winning that's great... probably will hard for you to stop now.... i was like that when i was winning... why people keep telling me to stop i can make money out of this... i can make living.....

well, sometimes we have to learn in hard way to stop gambling.......but hope it won't happen to many people.....

well, i think my point is i do not think you should treat this as a business... you should find real business is better than going casino...

Again... how many people here actually can name people who are actually made living through this game???

well, i will be hearing this for months or years to come......

Originally Posted by Joker

Well, Again if you are winning that's fantastic.....

lol.. funny when i was writing this comment there was Casino commerical on TV... they are winning and having great time... lol...

again... if you do win next 5 years then i would call you as a real winner....

again a lot of people get misunderstand when they see winning person and think "they win all the time"

but again if you are winning that's great... probably will hard for you to stop now.... i was like that when i was winning... why people keep telling me to stop i can make money out of this... i can make living.....

well, sometimes we have to learn in hard way to stop gambling.......but hope it won't happen to many people.....

well, i think my point is i do not think you should treat this as a business... you should find real business is better than going casino...

Again... how many people here actually can name people who are actually made living through this game???

well, i will be hearing this for months or years to come......

Thanks Joker. I fully understood your point. Good for you to stop gamble. This game kind of fun and I think I can make money at the same time. I bet you win before but lose control of your emotion and just dig yourself deeper. Everyone needs to play with their head and not over their head. I am playing with a cool he ad. I don't get over excited and let your emotion take over and give all winning back. You know as of right now I don't even have a system of playing. All I do is bet whatever I feel I only follow Sethbets progression strategy. I'm already tripple my bankroll my goal is another x7 than casino will have a hard time get that money back from me. By the way I do have time limit less than one hour in the casino. Some people I know are crazy they spent more than 4 hours and donate thousands of dollars to the casino. Joker last night I win the bet without place the bet on the table. I was on my first step of progression the guy next to bet $500.00 on banker I bet against the table player. He pay me $10 for me to remove my bet I gladly take his money. He loss $510.00 player win. He was playing with the chart and I don't. My rules are stay cool take it easy play what feel like always control your emotion the worst enemy to majority of gamblers are greed. Most of them up everytime but end up go home broke. Joker if you can't control your emotions and greed this game is not for you. Yes you can make money from baccarat and fun too!!! Good luck everyone and keep on winning!

Brandon.

Originally Posted by gobrandon

Thanks Joker. I fully understood your point. Good for you to stop gamble. This game kind of fun and I think I can make money at the same time. I bet you win before but lose control of your emotion and just dig yourself deeper. Everyone needs to play with their head and not over their head. I am playing with a cool he ad. I don't get over excited and let your emotion take over and give all winning back. You know as of right now I don't even have a system of playing. All I do is bet whatever I feel I only follow Sethbets progression strategy. I'm already tripple my bankroll my goal is another x7 than casino will have a hard time get that money back from me. By the way I do have time limit less than one hour in the casino. Some people I know are crazy they spent more than 4 hours and donate thousands of dollars to the casino. Joker last night I win the bet without place the bet on the table. I was on my first step of progression the guy next to bet $500.00 on banker I bet against the table player. He pay me $10 for me to remove my bet I gladly take his money. He loss $510.00 player win. He was playing with the chart and I don't. My rules are stay cool take it easy play what feel like always control your emotion the worst enemy to majority of gamblers are greed. Most of them up everytime but end up go home broke. Joker if you can't control your emotions and greed this game is not for you. Yes you can make money from baccarat and fun too!!! Good luck everyone and keep on winning!

Brandon.

Hi Brandon,

Yes, observe your surroundings. Observe how they win and lose money. Learn from them and not to follow in their footsteps. Good work!

For me, I huat and beo char bo!

I can definitely see you are able to control yourself.....

and again i hope everybody wins since i hate casino......


well, only problem is that i do not think being cool not going to be long term winner....

i mean there are so many people talked about money management and controlling own temper and etc.....

well, i do not know whether that will ensure us to win in long term...

again my logic is following.....

1) more chance you can bet = more chance you can lose
2) more you have to wait to bet = you may not make much of money and easier to lose control since you wait too long...
3) let's say you are up using progressive... it takes only 2 bad run to wipe or lose whole thing.. i mean
let's say you have $1000 bankroll, your initial bet is $25-50.... lose 5 steps or 4 then it will wipe whole thing..
and not only that kill the time and money you have invested on......and you have to start all over....

i mean it goes like this... let's say you have $1000 bakroll, win $3000.. yes you are up $2000.. but to get this far you have to bet a lot to win.. a lot of time as well.. round trip to casino also....

then let's say you lose 5 step progressive then you will be $2000 up.. then you hit another wall then you will be $1000 up.. and trying to get another win by placing more bets... i mean this will be running the circles .... i mean it doesn't go forward.... i mean believe me i won 50 straight units... winning $200 a day...

i mean i had to wait so long.. sometimes i had to wait 8 hours to get my signal... or sometime go home after 8 hours wait... i mean this is ridiculous..

and also i do not like the fact of my mind is occupied by casino stuff... win or lose .. you think about it.......
mind is not healthy anymore.... and start get this addiction starts.....

Originally Posted by Joker

I can definitely see you are able to control yourself.....

and again i hope everybody wins since i hate casino......


well, only problem is that i do not think being cool not going to be long term winner....

i mean there are so many people talked about money management and controlling own temper and etc.....

well, i do not know whether that will ensure us to win in long term...

again my logic is following.....

1) more chance you can bet = more chance you can lose
2) more you have to wait to bet = you may not make much of money and easier to lose control since you wait too long...
3) let's say you are up using progressive... it takes only 2 bad run to wipe or lose whole thing.. i mean
let's say you have $1000 bankroll, your initial bet is $25-50.... lose 5 steps or 4 then it will wipe whole thing..
and not only that kill the time and money you have invested on......and you have to start all over....

i mean it goes like this... let's say you have $1000 bakroll, win $3000.. yes you are up $2000.. but to get this far you have to bet a lot to win.. a lot of time as well.. round trip to casino also....

then let's say you lose 5 step progressive then you will be $2000 up.. then you hit another wall then you will be $1000 up.. and trying to get another win by placing more bets... i mean this will be running the circles .... i mean it doesn't go forward.... i mean believe me i won 50 straight units... winning $200 a day...

i mean i had to wait so long.. sometimes i had to wait 8 hours to get my signal... or sometime go home after 8 hours wait... i mean this is ridiculous..

and also i do not like the fact of my mind is occupied by casino stuff... win or lose .. you think about it.......
mind is not healthy anymore.... and start get this addiction starts.....

Good morning Joker. In California we have the hot lines 1-800-gambler I think you should work for them. Thanks Joker and wish you a lot of luck on your silver coins collection.

Brandon.

I really should and I am from california...

my point is .... it is too late to stop after losing huge money... or life.....

well, again i am here and trying to give logical idea.....

well, once i thought this... gambling problem.... okay how do we fix them??? one time i thought why not educated them how to win.....
i am very sure they are more interested in listing to that.. well, if there is such a thing then they will be teaching it long time ago......

well, here is the thing... let's say everybody try your system.. exact same system and exact same money management and exact same emotional control......

okay then..... will everybody win then????? answer is NO.. if everybody win this way in long term then your system is solid as a rock.....

okay here is the thing.. the reason why you did not hit the wall is you are lucky...

basically there is not such a thing in casino "This will never happen" well, i do believe that whole shoe will not going to be just Tie, or whole shoe going to just player or banker....

again some said why not wait till 18 streak and bet for 5 steps.. well, how long do we have to get to get this type of chance???

see also you have to remember... every shoe is unique.... it is not going to be very very same every time.. more you play you hit more different pattern and pattern which cause you to lose long progressive.....

so here is the thing... i used to use 4-5 progressive... say you start 10, 20, 40, 80 160 i mean
you need to win 30 units to cover losing 5 progressive... so you have 30 chances.. basically which one show up first or not.....

if you hit the wall 2 times within the 30 you will be at least 50 plus units behind.. if you hit 3 times then already 150 units behind or more..... i mean then how can you reover 150 units you may hit another wall meanwhile......

am i right about this???? this is how casino make huge money and we lose huge money.....

believe me... only people who actually can be on top from playing casino games are those who hit lottery, jackpot, or some sort of tournament winner who got huge prize money....

i mean those who win $50,000 or more at casino are those who bet so much money.. their bankroll isn't like $500.... so they can lose huge as well......

i have never met someone who has accumulated the winning.... i mean have you????

another problem is that people look the profit today.. Casino look the profit in long run.... that's the biggest problem....

see, i have never seen people come up with the system which can hit STREAK... they all look for heavy progressive and trying to win 1 unit....
remember you are betting large money to get small amount.. so if you lose, lose all of your winning as well....

and do not forget casino takes all the comission and tips and etc so they take so much money......

Yeah, i agree with Joker. Gobrandon luck can lasts for quite a long time until you hit a snag.

I remembered last year i i was winning two consecutive weeks without a loss.

In the third week i lost everything back and some.

I just want to win a little and run.

Again there is always a exception to the rule in life.....

but this does not have call EXCEPTION to the rule... Unfortunately....

well, let's say if every single people in this world gamble.. and with exactly same system....

I will not suprise one person may not lose for few years or maybe longer..... well, that's the chance of you are going to be that one???

again.. being patient money management will not going to change the chance of winning... it just stop loss temporary....

just like bleeding never stop and trying to put hand and try to stop...

do not forget.. i was gambler and was very patient.. was able to stay at casino for 8 hours without bet...

and i have spoke to many many so call expert..

again you have to remember how many "EXPERT" sell their system lol.....

again.. if i had winning system sorry i will keep it to myself.... if you have great business will you tell people from A to Z???

Originally Posted by Joker

I really should and I am from california...

California has like almost 100 Indian casinos not to mention the little gambling houses, lottery, horse tracks, sports betting around the state with Tijuana (MEXICO, for sports betting) and Las Vegas one state over. Looks like some serious issues for it's residents, not to mention the state is broke.

my point is .... it is too late to stop after losing huge money... or life.....

It's not too late to stop after losing all your money, if you're still breathing you have hope. All you have to do is stop gambling all together. You came into this world with nothing and will leave with nothing.
*There's a song by Kansas named "Dust in the wind" so stop taking life too seriously, please LISTEN to it if you haven't. Dust in the wind lyrics - Kansas - YouTube

okay here is the thing.. the reason why you did not hit the wall is you are lucky...

True for a lot of gamblers who will learn sooner or later.

another problem is that people look the profit today.. Casino look the profit in long run.... that's the biggest problem....

Hmmmm, makes you wonder why people are still playing. Some are winning temporarily and some are playing for "fun", opposite losers. Again, Dust in the wind lyrics - Kansas - YouTube

well, unfortunately.... nobody can not make me wrong on this subject....

i wish someone could.....

Martinale is not the way to gamble. You win very little but lose all your bankroll. I usually do my bet like this: 1,1,2,2,3,5. Will go back to 1unit bet once I win any hand. if i lose the 4units bet, I will move to a new table and start to bet 2,2,3,5,7,9 so i will make money back from the previous table. Once I made back the lost money, I will start betting 1,1,2,2,3,5 again.

I also notice if you want to win, wait for when either banker or player is 13 (the higher the better) hands ahead of the other and start betting on the weaker side. Bet on the 3rd,4th,5th hand of the weaker side once you see it goes to the 2nd hand. If you play this way, you cannot lose. You can only lose like around 3 hands max but only when the weaker side don't go more than two. A one sided shoe is usually around 10hands more than the weaker side at the end of a shoe so you will be even or win a few hands depends on how hard the weaker side pulls back. Good Luck guys!