A thank you to Sethbets

[jaysmith]

If i read it right most of the time your playing at $5.00 table
and waiting for treads or streaks. So if your not betting your not getting comps
Slot players would be getting more comps than him.
Then you go into a hole and it will get deeper and deeper
then you go to a high table and bet a shit load of units to try and get back your money
and if you win you start all over again,
Smells like a disaster.
To make $200 to $300 a day off the risk of a $125000 is not worth it
you would have to win 416 days at winning $300 a day to start with thier money as a br
Thats not spending a penny of the winnings if you make it that long.

[LoserNoMore]

The Wizard of Bovada's bosses offer a pretty decent simulated game:

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You'll find it at Casino where they give you $1,000 in funny-munny and away you go.

I absolutely DO NOT trust online casinos and most certainly I DO NOT trust these play versions. I just tried out the one mentioned and of course I COULD NOT LOSE. I easily got it up to $2500 (same as Seth's screenshot). I believe the code is such that whatever bet you place has a 5% edge or something like that. The casino wants you to believe you can win so you deposit money.

[LoserNoMore]

If i read it right most of the time your playing at $5.00 table
and waiting for treads or streaks. So if your not betting your not getting comps
Slot players would be getting more comps than him.
Then you go into a hole and it will get deeper and deeper
then you go to a high table and bet a shit load of units to try and get back your money
and if you win you start all over again,
Smells like a disaster.
To make $200 to $300 a day off the risk of a $125000 is not worth it
you would have to win 416 days at winning $300 a day to start with thier money as a br
Thats not spending a penny of the winnings if you make it that long.

Jay, I don't disagree with you. This is NOT my style at all.

The one thing Seth is right about: you need a negative progression of some kind in order to beat the casino in the short term.**

** It is possible that the "short term" is your entire betting career. It's also possible, you go broke on your first attempt. Gambling is not for the feign of heart.

[Sethbets]

I absolutely DO NOT trust online casinos and most certainly I DO NOT trust these play versions. I just tried out the one mentioned and of course I COULD NOT LOSE. I easily got it up to $2500 (same as Seth's screenshot). I believe the code is such that whatever bet you place has a 5% edge or something like that. The casino wants you to believe you can win so you deposit money.

There's no doubt online casinos like Bovada are crooked to the core, and I guess it's possible that the "practice" games are similarly rigged to lure in suckers.

Did you bother to track your wins and losses in the session you mentioned?

I played another of my own right after I put up the link, and I had a very tough time of it for a while, until five consecutive Player wins saved the session. Started out great, dived into the toilet after about 100 rounds, then bounced back big-time.

The point is that as long as there's a tight spread limit (and whatever most BF players might think, 1-250 is too tight to win long-term) you are ultimately screwed.

It all comes down to betting in such a way that you win more when you win than you lose when you lose, because you know in the long run you're going to lose more often than you win. Sure, you might win more often than you lose if you keep betting Banker, but the 5% gouge will put you back in the red anyway. Unless you bet Target that is!


Keep winning!

Seth T.

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[soxfan]

I agree with seths' basic premise but a cat can win regular without playin a style as extreme as "Target". Star mehtod requires ya to make, at most, a 240 unit bet, so a spread of 1-250 unit is plenty. A buddy of mine has been playin dice, fulltime, for the past seven years, 5 dives per week, 10 hour per day, 48 week per year. He bets only the don't, and a bustout cost him just over 1000 unit and his lifetime bankroll if 11000 unit and he make about 15 unit per hour like clockwork, hey hey!

[Sethbets]

I agree with seths' basic premise but a cat can win regular without playin a style as extreme as "Target". Star mehtod requires ya to make, at most, a 240 unit bet, so a spread of 1-250 unit is plenty. A buddy of mine has been playin dice, fulltime, for the past seven years, 5 dives per week, 10 hour per day, 48 week per year. He bets only the don't, and a bustout cost him just over 1000 unit and his lifetime bankroll if 11000 unit and he make about 15 unit per hour like clockwork, hey hey!

If you can win with less exposure, go for it. I never bet high because I want to, only because I have to if I want to come out ahead.

I bet the Don't a lot too when I play craps, but not when I'm with friends (they think I'm betting against them, which is, er, crap - but the more "free" beers they swig, the more they believe it!).

I have never suggested that Target is perfect, just that progressive betting in one form or another is the only way to win in the long run.



Keep winning!

Seth T.

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[Egalite]

Kerry Packer, the late Australian loon, could bet whatever he wanted in Las Vegas and frequently covered six blackjack slots at $250,000 per. He lost many, many millions more than he won, but only the wins were publicized, along with stories about $100,000 tips and paying off a cocktail waitress's mortgage here and there. Mr. P. had the money to win consistently, but not the knowledge - or the inclination. He didn't die broke, but he certainly didn't die a winner.

This is the only honest answer we've had from this former seller.

To jaysmith above, yes you were right, if the shit hits the fan go bet $25,000 or whatever, after (hopefully) you win some big bet, move back to the $5 table!!!! It is both unrealistic and farcical, also he have conveniently left out the "when the Banker gets ahead by 5 hands, quit the table", bit. So how many $5 tables are there exactly in places like the Turning Stone for example. It should be obvious this fool doesn't play, it's only a concept to keep his mind busy.

[Sethbets]

This is the only honest answer we've had from this former seller.

To jaysmith above, yes you were right, if the shit hits the fan go bet $25,000 or whatever, after (hopefully) you win some big bet, move back to the $5 table!!!! It is both unrealistic and farcical, also he have conveniently left out the "when the Banker gets ahead by 5 hands, quit the table", bit. So how many $5 tables are there exactly in places like the Turning Stone for example. It should be obvious this fool doesn't play, it's only a concept to keep his mind busy.

It was a concept when I started out, but it has been consistently effective in real play for almost 25 years.

Also a concept is John's idea that he can fool all of the people all of the time by creating multiple aliases on this and other gambling boards, and then constantly congratulating and agreeing with himself!

More important, none of the ideas he has put up in years of sabotaging discussions here and elsewhere is remotely as effective and realistic as Target.


Seth T.

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Spread wide to win!
The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
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[Egalite]

It was a concept when I started out, but it has been consistently effective in real play for almost 25 years.

I don't know if you should be humoured? Just like 95% of other posters on this site, you another to scared to put up or more aptly demonstrate. Of course the Singapore players will gladly meet, oh yeah and there is me. Those that have something to hide understandably shirk away at the very thought of anybody watching, always willing to beat the loudest drum on the internet, but when it comes to the business end, PUFF, like a bat out of hell, they are NOWHERE to be seen or FOUND.

It's a joke, your a joke, (you were considered a joke 10 years ago and got chased away from the BJ forums) and you know it.

[Sethbets]

I don't know if you should be humoured? Just like 95% of other posters on this site, you another to scared to put up or more aptly demonstrate. Of course the Singapore players will gladly meet, oh yeah and there is me. Those that have something to hide understandably shirk away at the very thought of anybody watching, always willing to beat the loudest drum on the internet, but when it comes to the business end, PUFF, like a bat out of hell, they are NOWHERE to be seen or FOUND.

It's a joke, your a joke, (you were considered a joke 10 years ago and got chased away from the BJ forums) and you know it.

I have responded to every one of your silly challenges, and have provided line by line and bet by bet data showing why Target beats all of the sequences (including the imaginary ones) that you believe are unbeatable.

I would, however, draw the line at any challenge that required me to spend time in your company!

And let's be truthful, John, no one chased me away from anywhere, or even tried to.

Through the blackjack forum, as here, I met many more people who agreed with me than didn't - and as I have pointed out before (you keep on repeating the same mindless insults), the majority of the flames against me came from two guys who worked for casinos in Reno and Las Vegas, and one old fart who was selling (still is!) a $650 software scam promoting the ridiculous idea that counting cards at blackjack guarantees a long-term player advantage.

Hell, I have spent many sessions in Vegas counting cards, and have done well - but a lot more where I have been reminded that when the deck is rich, the dealer gets killer pat hands as often as I do, and he gets the edge because he has to hit stiffs.

Your problem, John, is that you have no real and verifiable arguments against Target specifically or progressive betting in general, so you constantly resort to profanity and insults that you would not dare to utter if you were dragged out of your dark little hideaway and forced to repeat them face to face.

Hell, you write under more aliases than 1,000 CIA spooks, with deliberate deception and cowardice your only possible motivation. You're hot on flouting forum etiquette and "outing" members' true identities, but you will never reveal yours because we'd all find out what a pathetic little weasel you truly are.

With all due respect,



Seth T.

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Egalite’s true colors fly high and proud!
Offset for Bank Tax XL file on SkyDrive
Testing Romogracie’s 5-step Marty XL
Spread wide to win!
The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
Target Sports

[jaysmith]

You did not answer the
5000 unit ?
Do you make a profit if won?

[Sethbets]

You did not answer the
5000 unit ?
Do you make a profit if won?

I'm sorry, I'm obviously too stupid to understand your question, so please explain it.

I mean, I would've thought it was obvious that if the 5,000-unit bet recovers your past losses in the current series, then yes, you have made a profit, and if it doesn't, you haven't.


Seth T.

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Egalite’s “tough” shoes (Target betting all B, then all P)
Egalite’s true colors fly high and proud!
Offset for Bank Tax XL file on SkyDrive
Testing Romogracie’s 5-step Marty XL
Spread wide to win!
The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
Target Sports

[Egalite]

I have responded to every one of your silly challenges, and have provided line by line and bet by bet data showing why Target beats all of the sequences (including the imaginary ones) that you believe are unbeatable.

Well you know that is clearly WRONG. Lately you have skipped the part where you run from the table when the Banker gets five hands ahead, so if your up and down like a demented clown, how is that beating everything? It is not. Again you make things up, you don't want to meet me, I never suggested we meet, however if you have NOTHING to hide, I'm sure there are members on this site that frequent your closest casino more often you, perhaps they would be interested. Incidentally I don't hide and would repeat what I say face to face.

old fart who was selling

bit rich!! coming from you....

[jaysmith]

So your saying you are going to risk $25000 sometime not to make a profit.
And if you do make a profit how many $5 units do you make off the bet?

[Sethbets]

Well you know that is clearly WRONG. Lately you have skipped the part where you run from the table when the Banker gets five hands ahead, so if your up and down like a demented clown, how is that beating everything? It is not. Again you make things up, you don't want to meet me, I never suggested we meet, however if you have NOTHING to hide, I'm sure there are members on this site that frequent your closest casino more often you, perhaps they would be interested. Incidentally I don't hide and would repeat what I say face to face.

bit rich!! coming from you....

The "skip sim" I sent you off-board at your request has been demonstrated here and backed with verifiable data.

As usual, you describe it inaccurately. The "skip" idea (which was intended merely to demonstrate that mindless sims that do not permit any form of damage control are inadequate imitations of real play) proposed either switching from Banker to Player OR from Player to Banker at a trigger point. I chose -5 (house five bets ahead) but that was merely a suggestion.

Your response - to the data I sent you and to subsequent posts - was that you "don't know, don't care" what rules were applied, and that you "don't give a rats [sic] ass" about anything I suggest, or about anything anyone suggests, if it comes to that.

The question always is, will running away from a major threat to the bankroll be effective in the long run in reducing the overall house edge. The answer, according to the tests I ran, was yes.

I'll say it one last time: Target is not and never has been for sale. My ideas about progressive betting have been available free of charge on the Internet since 1997.

You can't win with constant lies, John, which is why at some point you always resort to threats and profanity. As we all know, you are a cowardly little weasel. Come out of your hole and tell us who you are, and maybe someone on this board will pay attention to you.

I don't answer your posts for your benefit, but to avoid any misunderstandings on the part of visitors to this forum (who frequently outnumber members by 20-to-1) who might for a moment or two take you seriously. If they stick around for a day or two, they will quickly learn that you have nothing to offer.


Keep winning!

Seth T.

Blog
Website

Egalite’s “tough” shoes (Target betting all B, then all P)
Egalite’s true colors fly high and proud!
Offset for Bank Tax XL file on SkyDrive
Testing Romogracie’s 5-step Marty XL
Spread wide to win!
The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
Target Sports

[jaysmith]

your pm is full ,Seth T

[Sethbets]

your pm is full ,Seth T

Thanks for the heads-up - have to empty it every other day because of all the messages telling me what an insufferable jerk John is!


Keep winning!

Seth T.

Blog
Website

Egalite’s “tough” shoes (Target betting all B, then all P)
Egalite’s true colors fly high and proud!
Offset for Bank Tax XL file on SkyDrive
Testing Romogracie’s 5-step Marty XL
Spread wide to win!
The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
Target Sports

[Egalite]

My ideas about progressive betting have been available free of charge on the Internet since 1997.

You can't win with constant lies, John, which is why at some point you always resort to threats and profanity. As we all know, you are a cowardly little weasel. Come out of your hole and tell us who you are, and maybe someone on this board will pay attention to you.

I don't answer your posts for your benefit, but to avoid any misunderstandings on the part of visitors to this forum (who frequently outnumber members by 20-to-1) who might for a moment or two take you seriously. If they stick around for a day or two, they will quickly learn that you have nothing to offer.

That is a lie, you went from selling Turnaround for $69 to Parley +Plus for $1000 as late as 2003~2004 [of course that wasn't you, it was a rouge employee][sic]. As regards to who I am, I thought you were going to tell me that <snigger>, simply call me John, and I will call you Ian Harmer. As for these repeated childish slants about not using a real name. Is Sethbets your real name? Is Archer a real name? Is gr8player a real name? This site is registered to Michael Baccarat, do you think that is his real surname, you silly streak of piss and no I won't be drawn into any prove it games [Jimske tried that], suffice to say, how I play, how I've played is detailed in my sub-board, where there are 59 group discussions. Nope I can't match you for baffling people with your Excel prowess, I prefer the simpler approach, just like what happens when your at the table.

Still offering no refunds? LOL

[gobrandon]

I just win another 90 units ($900). 2 days win in the roll will come back this Saturday. Today my progression go up to the 5 steps 2 times and couple time 3 steps. I almost triple my original bankroll not bad for two days. I am thinking to increase my progression up to 6 steps for insurance. By the my 5th steps progression make me the most money. My first intial bet I bet whatever I just don't care it win or lost I don't even look at the pattern but the problem I keep win most of the time. Today I have a very strange feeling I wish to lose my 1st intial bet so I can start my progression ladder. I think about modifying my progression so I win more on the 1st inial bet. You have to have big progression to win without deep progression it take longer time and more risks to achieve your winning goal.

Brandon.