Thread: A thank you to Sethbets

Seth,

I read over your blog, or at least a few of your articles. Mostly, it was well written, but didn't really say anything concrete. I still haven't figured out your precise betting progression. Perhaps it was there and I just didn't see it. I left your site shaking my head trying to figure out exactly what you do, but understanding where you are coming from.

"It takes money to make money." Absolutely.

The thank you comes from the fact that a genius moment came to me while reading your site. "What if I were to do this?"

I think I may have uncovered a system that can make me alot of money.
Requires:

(1) large bankroll
(2) progressive betting
(3) patience

The genius is that it allows the "investor" to profit off streaks, but doesn't allow streaks to destroy the bankroll.

Unfortunately, to pull this off I need the right environment. Like Vegas. And I don't live anywhere near Vegas.

I will continue to work my theory, and if it continues to look good, I may indeed quit my job this summer and head to Vegas, then tour the world, one casino at a time.

I'm pumped right now.

Originally Posted by LoserNoMore

Seth,

I read over your blog, or at least a few of your articles. Mostly, it was well written, but didn't really say anything concrete. I still haven't figured out your precise betting progression. Perhaps it was there and I just didn't see it. I left your site shaking my head trying to figure out exactly what you do, but understanding where you are coming from.

"It takes money to make money." Absolutely.

The thank you comes from the fact that a genius moment came to me while reading your site. "What if I were to do this?"

I think I may have uncovered a system that can make me alot of money.
Requires:

(1) large bankroll
(2) progressive betting
(3) patience

The genius is that it allows the "investor" to profit off streaks, but doesn't allow streaks to destroy the bankroll.

Unfortunately, to pull this off I need the right environment. Like Vegas. And I don't live anywhere near Vegas.

I will continue to work my theory, and if it continues to look good, I may indeed quit my job this summer and head to Vegas, then tour the world, one casino at a time.

I'm pumped right now.

Not sure how I could be any more concrete since I have been saying the same things over and over for 15 years online, but thanks anyway!

It's not about genius, it's about maximizing profit from upturns and minimizing the damage from downturns.

In the end, you will always lose more bets than you win, so you have to win more when you win than you lose when you lose.

Just common sense, right?

Send postcards from your world tour.



Keep winning!

Seth T.

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Originally Posted by LoserNoMore

Seth,

I read over your blog, or at least a few of your articles. Mostly, it was well written, but didn't really say anything concrete. I still haven't figured out your precise betting progression. Perhaps it was there and I just didn't see it. I left your site shaking my head trying to figure out exactly what you do, but understanding where you are coming from.

"It takes money to make money." Absolutely.

The thank you comes from the fact that a genius moment came to me while reading your site. "What if I were to do this?"

I think I may have uncovered a system that can make me alot of money.
Requires:

(1) large bankroll
(2) progressive betting
(3) patience

The genius is that it allows the "investor" to profit off streaks, but doesn't allow streaks to destroy the bankroll.

Unfortunately, to pull this off I need the right environment. Like Vegas. And I don't live anywhere near Vegas.

I will continue to work my theory, and if it continues to look good, I may indeed quit my job this summer and head to Vegas, then tour the world, one casino at a time.

I'm pumped right now.

Sorrie to hijack this thread.... Bolasutra's RWS 100% Winning Strategy better than scammers are also based on these 3 rules plus some more rules. Yeah... I have been flamed by BF members. Who cares. Let them laugh! My method brings in 8-10 units daily every day to my bank. I'm laughing my way to my bank now!!! Just bought a new Rolex Submariner-C watch 2 weeks ago. Thanks to RWS!

Originally Posted by Sethbets

Not sure how I could be any more concrete since I have been saying the same things over and over for 15 years online, but thanks anyway!

It's not about genius, it's about maximizing profit from upturns and minimizing the damage from downturns.

In the end, you will always lose more bets than you win, so you have to win more when you win than you lose when you lose.

Just common sense, right?

Send postcards from your world tour.



Keep winning!

Seth T.

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First I want to thank you for the advices. I told you that I would put your theory to the test on Saturday night. So far so good. On Saturday I won 95 units of $10.00 (950.00). It kind of scary somtimes I have to all in one time during the game. I think your strategy work if you don't afraid to bet and big bankroll. So far so good. I will try again this weekend. Thank you Sethbets.

Holy lord. I think I have uncovered the holy grail of betting systems. I cannot give it out as it could take down the entire gambling industry.

I am continuing to work the numbers but I may end up quitting my job very soon.

Okay, let me post this publicly. Private messages are starting to come in.
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Progressions need to be mild and the spread needs to be big.

The steeper the progression, the quicker you will win, but the more risk of ruin involved.

The gentler the progression, the slower you will win, but the risk of ruin is diminished.

So if you want to make $100, come to the casino with $15,000 and be prepared to spend days recovering losses if need be. The odds of busting are very low, but not zero. Never forget that.

Some sessions, getting $100 will be easy as pie. But not all sessions.

But at $100 a session, say three sessions a day, with comps, you can have your Vegas vacation for free! If overall, you net $100 a day on average, you can stay in Vegas for free.

But you absolutely need some kind of progression to fight the casino, otherwise you will lose.

Absolutely, I agree with you LoserNoMore. You need progression to win without progression you will lose. Like Sethbets says, "In the end, you will always lose more bets than you wins, so you have to win more when you win than you lose when you lose.".

Brandon.

Originally Posted by gobrandon

Absolutely, I agree with you LoserNoMore. You need progression to win without progression you will lose. Like Sethbets says, "In the end, you will always lose more bets than you wins, so you have to win more when you win than you lose when you lose.".

Brandon.

Yes Sethbets can say that all he wants, but he can not really prove it, now can he?

I have tested his target system using rules he has posted not long ago and found that during the Zumma 1600 shoes, a bet for over 8 000 units is called for! I can guarantee the more shoes you test, the higher that number will be. Can't any of you people see that his system is just another insane progression that will be heavily negative eventually?

Could you kindly post that?

Originally Posted by LOTI

Yes Sethbets can say that all he wants, but he can not really prove it, now can he?

I have tested his target system using rules he has posted not long ago and found that during the Zumma 1600 shoes, a bet for over 8 000 units is called for! I can guarantee the more shoes you test, the higher that number will be. Can't any of you people see that his system is just another insane progression that will be heavily negative eventually?

Hello Loti and good morning. But without progression you CAN NOTwin the house edge. You don't have to progress up to 8000 units. Every time I go to casino let say 100 units that is my stop loss.

Brandon.

Originally Posted by LOTI

Yes Sethbets can say that all he wants, but he can not really prove it, now can he?

I have tested his target system using rules he has posted not long ago and found that during the Zumma 1600 shoes, a bet for over 8 000 units is called for! I can guarantee the more shoes you test, the higher that number will be. Can't any of you people see that his system is just another insane progression that will be heavily negative eventually?

Interesting! The first time LOTI "tested" Target, he claimed a bet of 116,000 units was "called for." Now we're down to 8,000.

The maximum bet permitted by Target is 5,000 units.

I have tested Target accurately against the Zumma sets, and the two blocks of 1,000 posted online by the Wizard of Bovada, and have repeatedly published the winning outcomes here and on my website. I have also put up worksheets that show the Target bets line by line.

Again...

Zumma 600 Target win summary.JPGZumma 1000 Target win summary.JPG

Enormous risk, even with a 5,000-unit cap, but...enormous payback.

My mission has always been to help people come to the realization that casino table games cannot be beaten without a very large bankroll.

If you can't afford to win, then perhaps you shouldn't play?

Anyone betting a tight spread on a penny-ante BR will lose eventually. That's a mathematical given.

Some people believe that gambling, win or lose, is a lot of fun and worth the price they eventually have to pay for it. I disagree, and have demonstrated again and again that with enough ammunition (money) and a viable betting strategy (Target!) the house edge in games of chance can be consistently beaten.

I always back my claims with verifiable data. LOTI does not. That's his right, I guess.


Seth T.

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5ooo x1 = 5000 what casino gives you this ?
5000x 2= 10000 what casino gives you this ?
5000x 3 =15000 what cansio gives you this ?
5000x 4 =20000
5000x 5= 25000
5000x 6= 30000
5000x7==35ooo
5000x8= 40000
5000x 9=45000
5000x 10=50000 what casino gives you this ?
5000x 100 = 500000 what casino gives you this ?

Just would like to know
I never seen no casino give you these min ,max,

I am not trying to prove you wrong
I play black chips and never see a table max at $500000
The most i seen the min $100 to $25000 max

Originally Posted by jaysmith

5ooo x1 = 5000 what casino gives you this ?
5000x 2= 10000 what casino gives you this ?
5000x 3 =15000 what cansio gives you this ?
5000x 4 =20000
5000x 5= 25000
5000x 6= 30000
5000x7==35ooo
5000x8= 40000
5000x 9=45000
5000x 10=50000 what casino gives you this ?
5000x 100 = 500000 what casino gives you this ?

Just would like to know
I never seen no casino give you these min ,max,

Guess you're not in Nevada. Or New Jersey, Indiana...etc.

If you study just a little of the data I have made available, you will quickly see that against many very large samples of shoes (600 being the smallest in the verifiable data sets we all have access to) a 1-5,000 spread requires less risk than a 1-50 spread, and quite often less than a 1-10 spread.

That's because when you have a relatively low max limit, the only way you can hope to win (and it's a very faint hope) is to keep betting at that low max until you are able to recover by winning more bets than you lose.

Target recognizes that in the long run, you will lose more often than you win, and makes it consistently possible for you to win more when you win than you lose when you lose. Just do the math: 1,000 random bets with an average overall bet value of $50 against an AV or actual value of -1.4% will give you 493 winners and 507 losers and a LOSS of $700.

But if your average win comes out at $55 and your average loss is $45, you'll win $27,115 and lose $22,815 - showing a profit of $4,300 or +8.6% against a house edge of 1.4%.

It's not possible to win consistently against negative expectation unless you win more when you win than you lose when you lose. It's not possible to achieve that unless you employ some version of progressive betting...or get very lucky, and luck can never be considered a long-term factor. It's also not possible to understand the pure arithmetic of gambling unless you are willing to look at accurate data and learn from them.



Keep winning!

Seth T.

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So you are saying there are tables that are $1.00 to $5000
$2 to $10000
$3 to $15000
$4 to $20000
$5 to $25000
$10 to $50000
$100 to a half of million dollars

You said your last bet is a half of million dollars 5000 units if your playing blacks ?
What is your total br?
and if you win the last bet do you make a profit?

Originally Posted by jaysmith

I am not trying to prove you wrong
I play black chips and never see a table max at $500000
The most i seen the min $100 to $25000 max

Table limits are the casino's way of letting you know that you have to bet the way the house wants you to, not in a way that will enable you to win in the long run.

House shills like the Wizard of Bovada have all kinds of fancy ways of explaining table limits, but the truth is that they are the primary defense against progressive betting. Most players don't like to move from game to game in search of better "luck" and so shills can bombard you with friendly advice about how doubling up is dangerous and foolish (as in at a $5 minimum, $500 max table, just seven consecutive losses will take you to the table limit.

Absolutely true. And absolutely irrelevant.

If you hit a low table limit, you can easily step back and take your $640 bet to, say, a $100 - $5,000 table. You only need one win, remember, and if your game is blackjack and you happen to catch a 3-2 (or even a 6-5) natural, you're in clover.

Busy casinos are a prime hunting ground for Martingale bettors who never place more than two or three bets in one spot, and just keep moving. I absolutely don't recommend an open-ended "Marty" to anyone and have only ever played it myself to see how long it takes for a pit critter to appear at my elbow and start expressing compassionate concern for my fiscal health. What he's actually expressing when he advises you against doubling down is concern for his shift and table numbers - the house's bottom line. You won't, for instance, see the same pit pal advising a losing drunk that he should maybe quit playing and go sleep it off.


Keep winning!

Seth T.

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Originally Posted by jaysmith

So you are saying there are tables that are $1.00 to $5000
$2 to $10000
$3 to $15000
$4 to $20000
$5 to $25000
$10 to $50000
$100 to a half of million dollars

You said your last bet is a half of million dollars 5000 units if your playing blacks ?
What is your total br?
and if you win the last bet do you make a profit?

Asked and answered!

Please look at least some of the Target data. I work with a $5 minimum and therefore a $25,000 max.

I have never suggested - and never will - that it is possible to play anywhere in the world with a spread of $100 to $500,000. If the minimum bet where you are is $100 and the max is $25,000 then the casinos have you by the short and curlies and you have no chance of winning in the long run. Let's face it, that is their intention.

Kerry Packer, the late Australian loon, could bet whatever he wanted in Las Vegas and frequently covered six blackjack slots at $250,000 per. He lost many, many millions more than he won, but only the wins were publicized, along with stories about $100,000 tips and paying off a cocktail waitress's mortgage here and there. Mr. P. had the money to win consistently, but not the knowledge - or the inclination. He didn't die broke, but he certainly didn't die a winner.


Keep winning!

Seth T.

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so I am starting to get what you are saying
so your start is $5 units
your last bet is 5000 units or $25000
on a higher max table .
Is this wright?
And if you win the last bet how many units do you make?

Originally Posted by jaysmith

so I am starting to get what you are saying
so your start is $5 units
your last bet is 5000 units or $25000
on a higher max table .
Is this wright?
And if you win the last bet how many units do you make?

Christ on a bike! No offense, but the rules of Target are all over the Internet and all over this forum (like it or not!) and all it takes is just a little searching.

Here, I'll make it easy for you:

The way to win at baccarat



Keep winning!

Seth T.

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The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
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I read that
and it does not say about the last bet
5000 units
Its your method Just wanted to know about the last bet
and if you make a profit after investing $25000 ,plus all the other money you have put in getting to this point
If you dont know its ok

Originally Posted by jaysmith

I read that
and it does not say about the last bet
5000 units
Its your method Just wanted to know about the last bet
and if you make a profit after investing $25000 ,plus all the other money you have put in getting to this point
If you dont know its ok

You keep betting until a series turns around. When you have a profit on that series, you start a new series with a minimum bet.

Target does not permit a stop-loss under any circumstances, so you may have to bet the maximum more than once to win.

If you actually test the strategy against a virtual game (assuming you don't want to risk real money until you have learned the strategy inside out), you will come to understand that maximum bets are very rare indeed.

Most online "freebie" games have the same sort of narrow spreads that you are used to at the casinos where you play - 1 to 250 is common.

When you try Target against that kind of game, don't worry about not being able to bet more than $250 - just record your outcomes, and notice how often paired wins occur. You'll then know that if you had been playing in a game without such tight limits (or in a casino where you could move to a higher limit table) you would have recovered your losses.

At that point you would fall back to a minimum bet!!!

The Wizard of Bovada's bosses offer a pretty decent simulated game:

Bovada test.JPG

You'll find it at Casino where they give you $1,000 in funny-munny and away you go.

Just remember that tight table limits are not for your benefit, they are in place entirely for the house's protection.



Keep winning!

Seth T.

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The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
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So $25000 is not your last bet there could be more in worst cases

I am not trying to prove you wrong
just looking for a mm
And the full cost of it and the amount of units that can be won on the last bet
People only think about the first five or six bets to 20 bets
I would like to know about the last ones if its more than 5000 units the next bet must be around 15000 units to make a profit right?
5 x 15000 = $75000

if you lose that one I dont know whats next?
you may think I am being an asshole
but knowing your full cost before you set out to play would be great help
For anyone who wants to try your mm

Originally Posted by jaysmith

So $25000 is not your last bet there could be more in worst cases

I am not trying to prove you wrong
just looking for a mm
And the full cost of it and the amount of units that can be won on the last bet
People only think about the first five or six bets to 20 bets
I would like to know about the last ones if its more than 5000 units the next bet must be around 15000 units to make a profit right?
5 x 15000 = $75000

if you lose that one I dont know whats next?
you may think I am being an asshole
but knowing your full cost before you set out to play would be great help
For anyone who wants to try your mm

I give up. I have given you the strategy in detail. I have pointed you at tens of thousands of line by line examples. I have shown you where to practice Target until you learn it.

I don't think I can do any more for you.

Keep winning!

Seth T.

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Spread wide to win!
The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
Target Sports

I guess answers are hard to come by when were talking about worst cases, That can happen
When you figure them out you should post them all across the internet .
Like your bullshit mm.
I love it when so call pro Cant answer Question.
Who in thier right mind would bet $25000 to not even break even or to make a $5.00 profit
but wait commish would eat that profit and alot more.

Originally Posted by jaysmith

So $25000 is not your last bet there could be more in worst cases

I am not trying to prove you wrong
just looking for a mm
And the full cost of it and the amount of units that can be won on the last bet
People only think about the first five or six bets to 20 bets
I would like to know about the last ones if its more than 5000 units the next bet must be around 15000 units to make a profit right?
5 x 15000 = $75000

if you lose that one I dont know whats next?
you may think I am being an asshole
but knowing your full cost before you set out to play would be great help
For anyone who wants to try your mm

Hello Jaysmith. If you have progression more than 7 times and not winning. I think your luck just run out that day. You should call it quit and come back another day. Peace and wish everyone here keep winning this whole year to come!


Brandon.

Originally Posted by jaysmith

I guess answers are hard to come by when were talking about worst cases, That can happen
When you figure them out you should post them all across the internet .
Like your bullshit mm.
I love it when so call pro Cant answer Question.
Who in thier right mind would bet $25000 to not even break even or to make a $5.00 profit
but wait commish would eat that profit and alot more.

Answers are very easy to come by when you are willing to pay attention!


Keep winning!

Seth T.

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Website

Egalite’s “tough” shoes (Target betting all B, then all P)
Egalite’s true colors fly high and proud!
Offset for Bank Tax XL file on SkyDrive
Testing Romogracie’s 5-step Marty XL
Spread wide to win!
The truth about bet spreads: Why wide wins...
Target Sports

Let me weigh in here.

1. It's crucial to know the total bankroll needed to make Seth's system work. If the max bet is 5000 units, then the total bankroll must be ? 25,000 units? I don't know, I haven't worked it out. But it's a big number.

2. I have never seen a $1 baccarat table. Perhaps they exist. The lowest I see is $10 and they are usually jammed packed but if you go at the right time, you can get a seat. At $10, my maximum bet is $50,000.

(a) I don't have that kind of cash. Does anyone on this forum?
(b) I don't have the nerve to place that kind of bet. Does anyone on this forum?
(c) The total bankroll is how much? $100,000 to $250,000+?
(d) A run of bank luck that could bring you to a $50,000 bet and another loss is a run that could drive someone to insanity, despair, even suicide. It could potentially destroy someone's life. This is far too much risk.

Solution: Pool together 100 people and concentrate the funds into one bankroll. Then the loss (if it were to come) would be spread over lots of people. There's strength in numbers.

100 people give $2000 each = $200,000 roll. One person plays it. One is a witness. The comps are spread as evenly as possible. The winnings distributed.

How stupid would you look betting $25000 and winning
Than running back to find a $5.00 Table to make a $5.oo Bet
Also he never said if he makes a profit off the 5000 unit bet
To me its all just the guys dream.
Real players would never play like that.
Plus if you have 25000 units at $5.00 thats $125000.
Your going to risk $125000 to win $5.00 ,1 unit
Thats not worth it, If this guy posted this crap all over the net
what a waste of time

Originally Posted by jaysmith

I guess answers are hard to come by when were talking about worst cases, That can happen
When you figure them out you should post them all across the internet .
Like your bullshit mm.
I love it when so call pro Cant answer Question.
Who in thier right mind would bet $25000 to not even break even or to make a $5.00 profit
but wait commish would eat that profit and alot more.

Well said! I guess when you get to a 5 000 unit bet, you just keep making that bet until you are in profit LOL. The thing is, you could keep making that bet forever because in certain cases you will NEVER be back in profit!

And yes who will answer that question? WHO in their RIGHT mind would bet 25 000 dollars to break even or make a small profit? It is INSANE.

Seth's system does not overcome the house advantage at all. If he tested on more shoes he will see that progressions give the illusion of an edge. He has only tested 3600 shoes! I could beat 3600 shoes with much smaller max bet, guaranteed. The guy is delusional LOL

Originally Posted by jaysmith

Your going to risk $125000 to win $5.00 ,1 unit
Thats not worth it

In fairness to Seth, you are not trying to win $5, you are trying to recover a BOATLOAD of cash from all the losses you've occured up to that point.

How stupid would you look betting $25000 and winning
Than running back to find a $5.00 Table to make a $5.oo Bet

Honestly, who cares what you'd look like. This is about making money. And if you are pulling a few hundred dollars out of the casinos every single day, seven days a week and you do this for a year, well, you've got yourself. $300 * 7 * 50 (even gamblers should take time off!) = $105,000 plus all the comps you'd get.

But honestly, I think you'd have to spread this kind of risk over many people. Even 10 people. 25K each.

Let's say the "gambler" gets to keep the comps as a reward for being the one making all the bets, but the profit is split equally.