Thread: Predictor system!

I am new at baccarat. Has anyone here try predictor system? Is it worth it to pay for this system? If yes is it good result? I am currently searching the webs to see any good advice on playing baccarat.

Hello there... welcome... yes i have tried that.. predictor system.... again IT WILL NOT WORK....

Do not look any website for system... you will be doing two thing and you will find out i am right soon or later

1) you will be wasting so much time looking through
2) you will be wasting lots of money on system which will never wok IN LONG TIME
any system can win if you are lucky.. i can say just bet on Bank and if shoe give you lots of Banker then you will be winner..
3) Think logically, if you have winning system will you ever sell it???? most seller say i got banned from casino.. give me a break.. there are so many way you can play like Online or let family member to play....

well, again.. if you are new to this game??? that's great... but i don't want to break your dream, but this game will never make you rich.. it can make you poor... you can lose $10,000 in 3 month believe me it can.. or more..

another tips....
1) if you see people winning at casino---do not think they are winning all the time.. believe me lots of dealer will say he wins all the time... give me a break...
2) look how big the casino is... where the money coming from???
3) think this way.. you are playing game with your friend-like flipping the coin.. how often do you think you can get it right??? do you think you can get 1000 win and 2 loss??? if you predict that good then you will be millionare....
if you do not have ability to predict this good then you should not play the game...
4) Do you think are there any device which can predict what is coming next????
like stock market same thing.. people say this machine will predict what's coming??? if you had that machine then $10 will turn into $1 millon dollars......


conclusin.. i am not trying to mean or anything.. but soon or later you will find this out... i guess you can play for fun.. but just like me.. i start out fun and end up losing money...

Let me give you system system which can win in long run.... if you know what's the result then you can win in long time.. if there is a 1 % chance of losing then don't do it.. soon or later you will lose.....

Thank You Joker. I sign up with one web page his name is Chris Malcolm. He email me that he making hundreds of happy and rich people he has a weapon to rob the casino. It sound very convincing. He gave me some tips how to play baccarat. if you win let it ride and always increase your bet size when you win and go along with the trend don't fight the trend. 1-3-2-6. I think I may try his free tips first to see the results.

I see, to be honest that's not a bad idea....i believe that's the only way you can win big...


but when do we know trend is coming??? if trend doesn't show up then you will lose...

believe me anything is convincing.. they do pretty good at it....

I mean here is the tip then.. wait till BBBB or BPBP show up and follow it.. yes I did tried this.. but it can lose definitely....

i got this tip from online system i bought... mine was like 1-1-2-3-5-8- etc... did i win? yes i did one time.. but lost more....

Hi Joker so what is your strategies in playing baccarat and win consistently? I am not greedy i only want to win small amount everyday let say $80.00 per day already good for me. A lot of my friends telling me that it very easy be done. All I want is to win consistently.

Originally Posted by gobrandon

Hi Joker so what is your strategies in playing baccarat and win consistently? I am not greedy i only want to win small amount everyday let say $80.00 per day already good for me. A lot of my friends telling me that it very easy be done. All I want is to win consistently.

Gobrandon, i too i had that thinking, win a little and get out. As a matter of fact, i tried that last week.

I brought $500 bucks and hope to win $100 but it i ended up losing all and some.

There are no strategies what so ever to beat this game and there is no way in hell you can win consistently.

One day you can win a lot and then slowing the casino will chip you down like a woodpecker.

If i were you just try to learn as much from people here or from casino before getting serious.

I don't want to sound pesismistic but i am just giving you the facts.

Ask joker, he gamble longer than i have.

Goodluck.

Originally Posted by simpleton

Gobrandon, i too i had that thinking, win a little and get out. As a matter of fact, i tried that last week.

I brought $500 bucks and hope to win $100 but it i ended up losing all and some.

There are no strategies what so ever to beat this game and there is no way in hell you can win consistently.

One day you can win a lot and then slowing the casino will chip you down like a woodpecker.

If i were you just try to learn as much from people here or from casino before getting serious.

I don't want to sound pesismistic but i am just giving you the facts.

Ask joker, he gamble longer than i have.

Goodluck.

Thanks Simpleton for the advice. Do you keep track of win and lost weekly see how you doing? A lot of my friends told me that they always win at first but don't know when to walks and end up losing the bank rolls. Basically you telling me that this game can not win in the long run.

Originally Posted by gobrandon

Thanks Simpleton for the advice. Do you keep track of win and lost weekly see how you doing? A lot of my friends told me that they always win at first but don't know when to walks and end up losing the bank rolls. Basically you telling me that this game can not win in the long run.

GoBrandon, definitely keep a record of all wins and losses. By doing this it tells you where you at and what you

should do, continue or stay out and such.

Your friends example is nothing new. They played too long. You can only win when you play short and big,

sorta like hit and run. Wait for a trend to form and bet a few big hands and leave. The hardest part is when.

I have been playing this game for 2 years and i still can't find the secret sauce.

If i were you just learn as much as possible before getting serious.

If you decided in the end this game is not for you, you might want to join Joker and his coin collecting venture.

Playin the baccarat for a living is a serious business, and it require a LARGE bankroll to make any kinda decent cake. Most player have small, insufficeient bankroll but they still wanna make good money and that's why they lose. My daily profit target is just 3% of my lifetime bankroll, so ya gotta be realistic about the thing, hey hey!

To me it takes more than techniques.. it takes commitment and mental toughness and fearless personality....
You have to remember you can blow your large bank roll at any moment... are you able to handle the down time??? are you able to keep up paying biills?

well, my strategy??? simple.. and best one.. never play... i am not joking.. with this i never lose... or go enjoy look around casino and have good meal... you pay $50 and you can have great dinner...losing $50 at casino feel nothing to most people right lol.. ???

and answer to your question.. if there a method can win $5 every time then you will be millionare.. because all you got to do is to increase the initial bet.. there is no such a thing... this is how goes... you win $5 4 days straight.. then you lose 5th day and chase losing the lose all of your bankroll...

actually you are very lucky that we are talking about this subject.. if you want to be rich then don't go for gambling.. learn how to save and cut down the stuff don't need in your life.. that's the sure thing... and in long run you save a lot...

or buy lottery and hope to hit big money.. that's better.. you will never make decent money playing baccarat after playing 5 years.. only i can think of making big money is one shot... you save up money for 10 years and put $50,000 on bank and see how goes.. this is better than betting $200 here and there.... there is no way in the world i would do this.. what can i do with extra $50,000? am i able to live without work?? of course not.. and you have huge chance that you lose $50,000 can you imagine of damage of losing $50,000 a day??? and you work so hard like 10 years to save up that money and donate that money to casino... oh boy i don't even want to think about it......

Originally Posted by soxfan

Playin the baccarat for a living is a serious business, and it require a LARGE bankroll to make any kinda decent cake. Most player have small, insufficeient bankroll but they still wanna make good money and that's why they lose. My daily profit target is just 3% of my lifetime bankroll, so ya gotta be realistic about the thing, hey hey!

Hi Soxfan. May I ask you how you doing so far? 3 percent profit target is very good to me. Can you really making a full time living on this Baccarat business?

Originally Posted by Joker

To me it takes more than techniques.. it takes commitment and mental toughness and fearless personality....
You have to remember you can blow your large bank roll at any moment... are you able to handle the down time??? are you able to keep up paying biills?

well, my strategy??? simple.. and best one.. never play... i am not joking.. with this i never lose... or go enjoy look around casino and have good meal... you pay $50 and you can have great dinner...losing $50 at casino feel nothing to most people right lol.. ???

and answer to your question.. if there a method can win $5 every time then you will be millionare.. because all you got to do is to increase the initial bet.. there is no such a thing... this is how goes... you win $5 4 days straight.. then you lose 5th day and chase losing the lose all of your bankroll...

actually you are very lucky that we are talking about this subject.. if you want to be rich then don't go for gambling.. learn how to save and cut down the stuff don't need in your life.. that's the sure thing... and in long run you save a lot...

or buy lottery and hope to hit big money.. that's better.. you will never make decent money playing baccarat after playing 5 years.. only i can think of making big money is one shot... you save up money for 10 years and put $50,000 on bank and see how goes.. this is better than betting $200 here and there.... there is no way in the world i would do this.. what can i do with extra $50,000? am i able to live without work?? of course not.. and you have huge chance that you lose $50,000 can you imagine of damage of losing $50,000 a day??? and you work so hard like 10 years to save up that money and donate that money to casino... oh boy i don't even want to think about it......

Thanks Joker for sharing your thoughts. In the last 3 months I searching the webs and many articles anything that related to Baccarat. Many nights I hanging with my friends at the casino and try to learn the system. The game look very simple. I usually make about $50.00 every night for almost 6 days straight then I lost 2 days for total lost of $180.00. I am still ahead. I look at my friends playing I notices that they always win at least $300 at beginning of the shoe the problem they don't stop end up losing. I usually playing 3 to 5 bets only and I don't bet every single bet. The two days I lost because I start to play more hand. My feeling is you can make little money and don't be greedy you can win consistently.

hello there... sorry say that's not true... no greed=winning ticket... if that will be the 100% the case then I will be 100% patient.....

well here is another logic goes....

1) why bother go casino to win $20 per night or $50? and you have to calculate the time you are there and food and gas and etc.. usually you make a lot less than that.....
2) usually we use progressive system to win.. therefore even you win 5 days straight.. one day of bad run can wipe your winning in second...
3) It is not easy to beat human emotion at casino... i give this example... you did not eat food for 3 days and you are force to stand in front of great foods can you resist? i mean if you lose everybody will go back or stay casino to try to get money back.....
4) if there is 1% of losing then you will never make consistent money..... well... let's say every tennis match is 50/50 bet... like Nadal first round or Federer 1st round is 50/50 then yes I can win in long run.. but this will never happen.. odds never going to be 1 to 1....
5) Why do you waste so much time at casino??? i mean if there are ways to win then i will be the first one to stay there.. believe me....
6) There are a lot more easier win to make money in real life why bother you trying to make the money which probably a less chance than you becoming Doctor or Lawyer... you become Doctor or Laywer is a lot higher percentage than you win consistently from Baccarat and buy house and car... believe me.....
7) lot of people do gamble for fun....... well.... i would think there much better way to spend money on.... i am a big fan of spending on money which can replace that stuff to money later.. .like buying beautful gold, or silver... i mean even value goes down i can still exchange to some money... if you go casino you are just almost like throwing money to trash can....
8) is it really fun to lose $4000 a month???? i mean it is no longer "FUN" if you keep losing $4000 a month.. that's torture... i mean losing $20 or less is okay.. but people think after 12 month it is $240.. that's pretty big money.....
and what can we win with $20 ????? lol....

9) Believe me life is so much better without going casino.... it is healthy, never lose money.. never think about losing or system which can't focus on daily life... it just poison you......

10) Think logically you willl see how stupid this game is made and how we can not get on top.... i mean it is just impossible...

11) finally, if you realy want to get ontop of casino game??? join poker tour, or hit jackpot on slot machine, or win lottery or save money for 1 year and put all that money on Bank or Player and after you win and quite gambing forever...

12) fianally, do not play.... unless you have ability to predict what card is coming....

Gobrandon, read this post contributed by one of the forum member.




Re: Just one unit per day, possible?
Originally Posted by rainbowfree
Hi all, is it possible to win just one unit each day?
Stop loss -6 units , just to make +1 unit....




Regards.
No. Not forever.
Maybe in a short lifetime of play.


Your 6 unit bankroll for a minimum 1 unit bet and a 1 unit win goal is way over betting your bankroll and the win goal is too high for the bankroll.
At best you have an ~85% average chance of success if you attempted to do this.


Player example: win goal $10
Data from a Risk of Ruin spreadsheet.
Code:
bank bet % of bank win goal $10 Ruin
$60.00 $10.00 16.67% 84.518% 15.482%
$60.00 $20.00 33.33% 85.123% 14.877%
$60.00 $30.00 50.00% 85.321% 14.679%
$60.00 $40.00 66.67% 85.420% 14.580%
$60.00 $50.00 83.33% 85.479% 14.521%
$60.00 $60.00 100.00% 85.519% 14.481%
Banker example: win goal $10
Code:
bank bet % of bank win goal $10 Ruin
$60.00 $10.00 16.67% 85.302% 14.698%
$60.00 $20.00 33.33% 85.821% 14.179%
$60.00 $30.00 50.00% 85.992% 14.008%
$60.00 $40.00 66.67% 86.077% 13.923%
$60.00 $50.00 83.33% 86.128% 13.872%
$60.00 $60.00 100.00% 86.162% 13.838%
From the data above,
The more one bets as a percentage of the bankroll actually does really nothing to increase the win goal rate or lower the risk of ruin rate (bust).


Here is another way to look at this.
For Player wagers:
With your number ratios and my $10 bets, you could win, on average, ~85 out of 100 sessions, $10




($850) and lose 15 times your $60 bankroll. (-$900). That does not look to satisfy your win goal for many sessions.
Now,
If you could average, through bet selection and/or MM, ~86 wins out of 100 sessions consistently -- easier said than done -- ($860), 14 loss (-840) it now starts to look more promising. or... ~87 out of 100 sessions consistently -- again, easier said than done -- ($870), 13 loss (-780), now we are talking.




But,
If you only win 84 out of 100 sessions -- much easier to do without even trying -- ($840) wins, 16 loss (-960) it looks way less promising for a net loss of -$120.


For Banker wagers:
With your number ratios and my $10 bets, you could win, on average, ~86 out of 100 sessions, $9.50 ($817) and lose 14 times you $60. (-$840). That does not look to satisfy your win goal for many sessions.


Now,
If you could average, through bet selection and/or MM, ~87 out of 100 sessions consistently -- easier said than done -- ($826.50), 13 loss (-$780) it now starts to look more promising. or... ~88 wins out of 100 sessions consistently -- again, easier said than done -- ($836), 12 loss (-$720),
now we are talking.


But,
If you only win 85 out of 100 sessions betting for Banker only -- much easier to do without even
trying -- ($807.50) wins, 15 loss (-$900) it looks way less promising for a net loss of -$92.50.
Of course,
I have also over simplified this by not showing how to use bet selection and MM to increase the win rate or net profits from a win.
I also have not mentioned that if you can NOT be more successful in upping the win rate even by a little bit, the downside is you now increase the bust rate per session(s) and now you will need more wins or $$ wins to even make a one unit profit.


Baccarat is a hard game to win consistently at since the banker and player bets have such low variance, meaning the longer one bets for either one, the house edge for each bet --- how much you
are being short changed-- starts to add up against you over all the possible outcomes that you can see.
Again, The more bets you make, the higher your win rate or $$ wins need to be in order to overcome the house edge or the short changing that is going on.
house edge example:
Say you make 1 banker bet (average 1 unit) each day for 40 years...
14,600 lifetime banker wagers: on average 1 in 14 (7.29%) Bac players will be expected show a profit of a minimum $16 ($10 unit wager) from just luck alone.
Not a very good ratio. It shows you better increase your win rate some how to be one of those 14 Bac players making that many banker bets.


Say you now make 10 banker bets (average 1 unit) each day for 40 years...
146,000 lifetime banker wagers: on average 1 in 432,332 Bac players will be expected show a profit of a minimum $4 ($10 unit wager) from just luck alone.
Not a good ratio at all. It shows you better,well, one must increase your win rate somehow to be one of those 432,332 Bac players making that many banker bets.




It gets worse for the Player bet.
Say you make 1 player bet (average 1 unit) each day for 40 years...
14,600 lifetime player wagers: on average 1 in 21 (4.87%) Bac players will be expected show a profit of a minimum $20 ($10 unit wager)
Again, Not a good ratio. It shows you better increase your win rate some how to be one of those 21 Bac players making that many player bets.


Say you now make 10 player bets (average 1 unit) each day for 40 years...
146,000 lifetime player wagers: on average 1 in 11,081,651 Bac players will be expected show a profit of a minimum $20 ($10 unit wager)
Not a good ratio at all. It shows you better increase your win rate some how to be one of those 11,081,651 Bac players making that many player bets.


This is the effect of the house edge on the probability of coming out ahead as the number of trials increase. The casino is most always in the long run, millions of wagers per month where a single
player could not even come close to those type of same numbers, except for longer and lifetime play.


If there was NO house edge, meaning the casinos would be forced to make their $$$s elsewhere, room rates, food and entertainment, maybe legalized prostitution, just to name a few, about 1 in 2 Bac players would show a profit betting on banker or player at 1 million lifetime bets or at any number
of bets for that matter.
Code:
bet pays fair difference
banker $0.95 $0.973068289 $-0.023068289
player $1 $1.027677103 $-0.027677103
The short change due to house edge.
A player bet should pay $1.028 per $1 bet and the Banker pay $0.973 per $1 bet.


To summarize. A Baccarat player must increase his win rate and/or the $$$ wins over the $$$ losses in order to win consistently over a lifetime worth of play.


IF your method of play is to "always do this and always do that", your chances of comong out ahead at any point keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller.

[QUOTE=simpleton;51409]Gobrandon, read this post contributed by one of the forum member.




Re: Just one unit per day, possible?
Originally Posted by rainbowfree
Hi all, is it possible to win just one unit each day?
Stop loss -6 units , just to make +1 unit....




Regards.
No. Not forever.
Maybe in a short lifetime of play.


Your 6 unit bankroll for a minimum 1 unit bet and a 1 unit win goal is way over betting your bankroll and the win goal is too high for the bankroll.


Hi Simpleton. Thank you for pointing out that you have to increase your win rate in oeder to win consistently. I agrees with you that 6 units is too little to achieve 1 unit. I am thinking more like 14 units should be sufficient to achieve 1 unit goal and win consistently. Let say $10.00 per unit I would play like this $10.00 lost bet $15.00 lost again bet $35.00 lost again $70.00 and the final bet will be 130.00. I think it very rare to lost 5 hands in a roll as long as you don't fight the trend. So far I don't lost more than 4 hand in the roll. I don't have the gut yet to play 1,3,2,6 because I rarely win 2 in the rolls and I don't play back to back hand. Sometimes I skip 10 or more hands before I play again. I am new at this Bac things I know it hard to guess sometimes but with patient, discipline, and control the greed that we all have in us I think we can win consistently. Last 3 months I witness a lot of people and my friends included they win couple hundreds to couple thousands of dollars but end up losing bank roll. They always win everydays at begining but I think they really need a stop win or close to stop win and walk away.

Gobrandon, i just noticed you are from the bay area , where do you go to play baccarat?

Theres is a new casino in livermore called 580, you ever go there?

I heard about them they small and near livermoor right? I usually cache creeks or thunder valley sometimes bay 101 or san pablo casino how about you? Bay 101 and 580 all have ez baccarat but I never play dragon pay 40 to 1. Thunder valley have ez baccarat with Dragon and Panda. Panda pay 25 to 1 all no comission.

Gobrandon, i live near bay 101 but never stepped foot into it. I heard it was shady so stayed away. I used to go to Thunder Valley a lot esp last

year but this year tryin to cut back.

I like to play the dragon table but not at Thunder Valley. You can catch a lot of dragons at Red Hawk. Thats the best place to go if you like

to bet dragon.

I went to Redhawk 2 times too far they very slow not as busy like thunder or creeks. Redhawk com are very generous I notices. Redhawk less rules than thunder you have to sit down in order to bet at dragon table no stack chips on other people bet. Did you know thunder now have Panda player bet still get pay and Panda bet pay 25 to1.

GoBrandon, RedHawk always busy in the weekend. Most people that goes to RedHawk used to go to Thunder Valley.

Yeah, i know Thunder now has panda but i don't play it. The last time i was there the shoe had like 10 panda and it wasn't that far apart too

Those bet most of the time you lose so i just stayed out like dragon.

How long u been playing baccarat? I met a lot of people at Thunder that have been playing since day one. Many losers there...hehehe.

I only play baccarat for 3 months. I usually hang out with my friends whom play a lot. Baccarat is very fun game and making serious money. I think baccarat is better than Black Jack. I have been reading STAR system. I think STAR system is very good for Baccarat as long as you don't fight the trend. I saw one old man kept on fighting the trend 22 times and lost. BPBPBPB... 24 times before stop.

Gobrandon, i read you got lucky this weekend?

What casino did you go?

Say, whats your bankroll and do you have a stoploss amount?

First bet $10.00 or 1 unit
Second bet $60.00 or 5 unit
Third bet $100.00 or 10 unit
Four bet $200 or 20 unit
Fifth bet $640.00 or 64 unit.

I played at Bay 101. Only one time it progression to the fifth bet. Most of times it win at the second bet or third bet. My bankroll is $1000.00 I think it still very under fund and my stop loss is the same $1000.00. Actually I did make more money in the fifth step but it quite scary because I don't get use to this kind of deep progression. I think you can make money consistently with this method let say bankroll $1000.00 and looking for $100.00 per day or 10 percent will easy over the house edge. Good luck! Happy New Year the year of the Dragon.

Brandon.

Year of Dragon.....

well, can we find Dragon in this world??? can we find real winning on baccarat???

well let me tell you my story about progressive...

well, i believe the system i have can be winner... i have 50 winning record.... yes i do use progressive 4 steps....
well, i did not lose 50 times.. people.. 50 winning streak.... !!!! i mean of course i did not win every game with 1st bet..

see problem with progressive is to me.. first and biggest problem is that progressive can lose lots of control...
for example i won 50 bet... well, i was using $25 initial bet.. so i was up like $1000.... well, my system take long take to get signal.. so it took few weeks to get up that much... then i hit the wall.. yes i could have stopped at 4 steps progressive.. but i wanted to win so i went over 4 steps then i killed myself....

progressive will never be the answer for winning.. i mean it can wipe your winning in second.....
yes it get to be very scary as well.... your bet goes up really quick.. 25 50 100 200 400 it's 775 already.....
losing 5 streak is very common...

If 5 streak is common than you may be fighting the trend. I never fight the trend. If banker or player jumping I will jump with it. If banker or player run I will run with it otherwise I will stay out the hand and patiently waiting for the next couple hands. I rarely play consecutive hands. If five hands is hard for you than you may have to progression up to 6 or 7 hands or you may have reduce your progression a little. You have to have Progressionin order to win. Without progression you will never win consistently.

Brandon.

Originally Posted by Joker

Year of Dragon.....

well, can we find Dragon in this world??? can we find real winning on baccarat???

well let me tell you my story about progressive...

well, i believe the system i have can be winner... i have 50 winning record.... yes i do use progressive 4 steps....
well, i did not lose 50 times.. people.. 50 winning streak.... !!!! i mean of course i did not win every game with 1st bet..

see problem with progressive is to me.. first and biggest problem is that progressive can lose lots of control...
for example i won 50 bet... well, i was using $25 initial bet.. so i was up like $1000.... well, my system take long take to get signal.. so it took few weeks to get up that much... then i hit the wall.. yes i could have stopped at 4 steps progressive.. but i wanted to win so i went over 4 steps then i killed myself....

progressive will never be the answer for winning.. i mean it can wipe your winning in second.....
yes it get to be very scary as well.... your bet goes up really quick.. 25 50 100 200 400 it's 775 already.....
losing 5 streak is very common...

Hello Joker. Let look at your silver coins collection. Let say you bout 10 ounces at $30.00 per ounce. Now the silver market went down to $10.00 an ounce. You just lost $200.00 dollars. Instead of stay off the market or sell it you keep buying additional 30 ounces at the current market of $10.00 total cost $300.00. Let say month later it went back to $30.00 an ounce. You just double your money it call dollars average. In gambling there are always risks so is your silver coin collection. The questions is how much risk you can handle it. Happy New Year! Wish you all the luck this year will bring. Peace.

Brandon

Believe me.. If you are winning at casino that's wonderful.. if you believe progressive is only way to consistent and that's great.. i do believe that also.. but problem is it can wipe the bank roll in second and it can be done in second...

well you have to look in long run... are you able to come up with $2000 a month every single month for next 30 years to come??? if you don't care about 10 years from now then you have wrong mind set.. if you just happy with tomorrow winning then you will get in trouble soon or later.....

do not also forget about side effect of casino... let's say you do not make living from casino.. so you still have to work correct? or maybe still student then you have worry about other stuff in life.. i mean if you spend so much time on casino you go work without energy and also you will be thinking about it all day.. if you are student you end up not going to class or miss your homework......
believe me it will happen.. you also will be spending so much time for looking system and etc...

why casino people tell you "wow you won that's great hope you win again come back soon " they know you are going to lose soon or later... if you win so consistent for 10 years, then they have something say to you......


well, answer to my silver question.... well, I do not buy silver or gold.... i find them in CIRCULATION.. so i get it in face value... therefore.. even silver goes to $0 then i still do not lose money.... For example.. i get Quarter and Half Dollar as is so i have 1964 quarter then i get $10 right away...
This way i never lose money... well, i guess gas to go bank....well, any cost something.. but i already made great profit after just a year... after a year of gambling i lost quite a lot.....

well, ultimately, i made more than I made at casino and i will continue to make more and more since this way i never lose the money......

oh by the way.. yes i did lose my money with silver and gold.. not a lot though...

well, the thing is if you go casino you can lose $10,000 i mean to 0.... buying silver or gold can last longer than putting money on casino for sure.......

well, you have to remember smart people who invested the money and earned are those who invested on
1) real estate
2) mutual fund
3) stocks
4) education...

i don't think nobody invested money on gambling and won.... well, except those who won the poker tournament and jock pot or lottery winner.......

Again.. you have to remember... there are so many smart people in the world, i mean genius.. if progressive system or any other system can win this game in long run then this game will be gone long time ago....

tough part about Baccarat is 50/50 pay out... see this cause us big trouble.. we can win. i mean after you sit down on the table actually you can win the bet... i mean it happen to everyone since it is 50/50 that's why we get happy.. like lottery you can not win right away...

well, my point is you will never be able to we call "build up bankroll" for 10 years... it just not going to happen...
if you win lottery then your life will change and that's lucky person..

but in order to make $100,000 from baccarat with $1000 bankroll... i mean how could that be possible??? only way to get $100,000 baccarat is just go for one shot.. or get lucky 3 win streak with $10,000 initial bet.. and double up....

Hello Joker. I am glad that you response to my tread with advice. I am still currently working. I own a small business for almost 15 years. I set aside just small amount of money to gamble. So far so good. I been searching the webs to see what people thinking about the game. Hey Joker I do believe that you can win this game consistently as long as enough capital and progressive betting. You need to set win limit also and I think 10 percent of your daily bankroll is very easily achieve. You have to play with your head not Over your head.

Brandon.

Well, you will probably will appreciate my advice in few years... I think gamblers do not take advice of others.. i mean i was same so i can not blame on people

well, let me throw some questions.... if that is the case why not

1) financial adviser as you to gamble??
2) there are company invest on gambling so they take their portion of it...
3) why there are so many people sell system???

we all believe that we are exception to the rule.. and your system is Magic.. i felt the same way also....
well, you may have system to win.....

well, if you have your business why bother need to come up with more money??? well, do not forget there are always chance you lose your money... and also life which did to many of people......

or can even take your business away from you....

well, again logical question..... what's the point of making extra $50 per day? $1500 month and do you think that can do it for next 20 years??? do you still really believe that???

how many people here has won baccarat for 20 years with consistent profit????

the time and effort and money you will going to put for next 20 years.. i mean you know it is going to be waste then why we bother????

i mean i did put lots of effort as well, i mean i drove 3 hours go casino and study all night.. and pertty much lived at casino... well, great think i got out...

i mean realizing logical stuff really helped... i mean until then i kept playing. i believe that i can win like you....

i mean if there is a 1% chance of lose then you can lose PERIOD.... people talk about stock and investment same thing... but I do not think anybody i have known who made great living playing baccarat yet...
i mean maybe poker....

Well, let me ask you......

Why not expand your business to big one???? instead of play the game... i am very sure you know a lot about your business.. why not take it to next level????

That's what I did to my work and that made me better and made more money.. i used money to lean more about my business .. went to class and made me better.... then i got more money now... and it will in next 10 years....

again.. believe me you do not know much about this game yet... there are tons of people here know so much about the game.. i mean inside out... one thing and it will save your time though.. there aren't single person or system made me long term winner.... yes there were few claim that they made living through gambing and they shared their system to me.. but again that will not going to be long time winner.. at least to me..

Originally Posted by Joker

Well, you will probably will appreciate my advice in few years... I think gamblers do not take advice of others.. i mean i was same so i can not blame on people

well, let me throw some questions.... if that is the case why not

1) financial adviser as you to gamble??
2) there are company invest on gambling so they take their portion of it...
3) why there are so many people sell system???

we all believe that we are exception to the rule.. and your system is Magic.. i felt the same way also....
well, you may have system to win.....

well, if you have your business why bother need to come up with more money??? well, do not forget there are always chance you lose your money... and also life which did to many of people......

or can even take your business away from you....

well, again logical question..... what's the point of making extra $50 per day? $1500 month and do you think that can do it for next 20 years??? do you still really believe that???

how many people here has won baccarat for 20 years with consistent profit????

the time and effort and money you will going to put for next 20 years.. i mean you know it is going to be waste then why we bother????

i mean i did put lots of effort as well, i mean i drove 3 hours go casino and study all night.. and pertty much lived at casino... well, great think i got out...

i mean realizing logical stuff really helped... i mean until then i kept playing. i believe that i can win like you....

i mean if there is a 1% chance of lose then you can lose PERIOD.... people talk about stock and investment same thing... but I do not think anybody i have known who made great living playing baccarat yet...
i mean maybe poker....

Well, let me ask you......

Why not expand your business to big one???? instead of play the game... i am very sure you know a lot about your business.. why not take it to next level????

That's what I did to my work and that made me better and made more money.. i used money to lean more about my business .. went to class and made me better.... then i got more money now... and it will in next 10 years....

again.. believe me you do not know much about this game yet... there are tons of people here know so much about the game.. i mean inside out... one thing and it will save your time though.. there aren't single person or system made me long term winner.... yes there were few claim that they made living through gambing and they shared their system to me.. but again that will not going to be long time winner.. at least to me..

Everything is risky Joker so is business. It cost me ~35,000.00 every month just to keep my business going. There are also other risk factor beside that amount I mention. Nothing is easy Joker you have to work hard at it so is gambling. I fully understand your point of view on Baccarat. I saw one guy last week lost at Bay 101 very close to $50,000.00 in just about 45 min. You know why he lost so much because he did not use his head. He was up close to $20,000.00 earlier but did not stop. He probably thinking he can keep on winning forever. He just don't know when to quit. I will give Baccarat couple months trial and see the results. You right there are more losers than winners. Human nature lose too emotional and greed. They forget you can not keep on playing the game too long in a session. I heard to many same old story ( I should have go home when I am up certain amount). I think Baccarat is a very fun game to play.

Brandon.