A Definition, Please

[DanoninoArgentina]

The sistems works, until it didin't work. For example, i used Martingala in Electro Mechanic Roullete. I wait for a chance (red/black) (odd/even) etc, didn't come in 4 times, and i bet to the losing chance.

With that system i win with a bankroll of $9 (playing with first whit 10 cent chip/25 cent chip/50 cent chip/$ 1chip) and 9 hours of game (beacause 4 o 5 times delay is very rare) i make $1850.

But a delay of 11 times (8 red and two 0 an a 00) the system didn't work, and i lose $1500. now i play with fibonacci progression, having more chance But in so many times the system didint work.

Sorry of my English. I'm Argentinian

[Free]

Andy I don't know why you try act so dumb and innocent. You know exactly what you do, if you don't then you must be real dense. You advertise, promote scams, yes you post winning shoes, however all you say is, you won XX units by playing maverick shite or ellis's latest creation and that is it. You don't explain anything, basically if you can't see it as being a shill, well you are even MORE DEVIOUS than a lot on this forum already expect.

A few who have lost money by sending it to your friend Mark, have voiced their thoughts here and up steps the gatekeeper of the maverick scam to shout them down. You know exactly the game you are playing, and it is in not in the interest of any decent genuine board member. If Mark and Ellis are the pimps then, it makes you the whore. Maybe you would be better off where you belong. As for your original post, is there any point to it, it's just another of those lame questions, not much use to anybody

You just had to bring up the truth again, didn't you? How's a low life shill supposed to get any new sheep to Ellis's fold with you bringing up the past like that?

I mean if you're not careful ADulay might even think he's not welcome here anymore.

Poor little Adulay, just trying to shill for Ellis as best he knows how. Give the guy a break.

And by the way, I think you hurt the poor guy's feelings with all your common sense and honesty.

[ADulay]

You just had to bring up the truth again, didn't you? How's a low life shill supposed to get any new sheep to Ellis's fold with you bringing up the past like that?

I mean if you're not careful ADulay might even think he's not welcome here anymore.

Poor little Adulay, just trying to shill for Ellis as best he knows how. Give the guy a break.

And by the way, I think you hurt the poor guy's feelings with all your common sense and honesty.

And everybody wonders why it's so hard to get intelligent discussions going on this forum. Who would want to participate with the "Keepers of The Truth" speaking out so boldly from behind their keyboards!

This looks like a great spot to "exit, stage right" and move on.

You may continue this thread without me. Feel free to crucify as needed.

Also, try to use another random username as that seems to be popular around here.

AD

[Archer]

And everybody wonders why it's so hard to get intelligent discussions going on this forum. Who would want to participate with the "Keepers of The Truth" speaking out so boldly from behind their keyboards!

This looks like a great spot to "exit, stage right" and move on.

You may continue this thread without me. Feel free to crucify as needed.

Also, try to use another random username as that seems to be popular around here.

AD

Yeah, what's with the new handles? It's one thing to maintain personal privacy, another to use more than one nick on a single site - kind of sneaky.

Also, I got to come to AD's defense. Same with Seth. Why you guys hammering him? He said he likes stuff he learned from Ellis - so what? OK, so maybe he didn't post all of Ellis' rules - he honored his commitment to Ellis. I don't have to cause I made no commitment and have been happy to share what I know. The only problem I have with Ellis is his false claims NOT that he sells bet placement methods. Make no mistake about it, Ellis is a good gambler and knows Baccarat backwards and forwards. Some of his ideas are unique and people can learn from him.

Andy is not or never has been an Ellis or Maverick shill. Just a guy who likes fooling around with different methods and didn't mind ponying up some dough. What, you guys are a bunch of children not responsible for what you buy?

If you all would stick to critiques about Baccarat this would be a better site.

Archer

[tomla]

Well put Archer--

[danturismo]

In my opinion, a system that works comes down to a couple of points.

Positive return over time to make it a worth while investment of time and money.
Strictly following a betting routine.
Maintaining your own proper attitude.

This is not to say there is any right or wrong in any of those three. Each individual player has to define every aspect of the game for themselves.

In my limited time on these forums, I have read a number of 'betting strategies' and some of the math involved. Have also read several posts about how various people approach the game. Some only have a goal of 2 units per day, others will just play x shoes win or lose. I'm trying to assimilate as much of this as I can to create my own 'system.' One that will let me approach the game under my terms, my comfort level, and hopefully give me the greatest chance of having a positive result. Once I do take it to a table, I will happily share my thoughts, opinions and results on the game in hopes that it may help someone else enhance their play, win or lose.

[gr8player]

Yeah, what's with the new handles? It's one thing to maintain personal privacy, another to use more than one nick on a single site - kind of sneaky.

Agreed. I've asked Mr(s) Egalite/John/Scambuster1 the very same question, why the numerous aliases?; especially within the very same forum (I've listed the 3 that I know about, but there could well be many more....ever hear of a hungry child taking only one cookie from a jar that he's got access to?)

Sneaky, indeed.

Alas, Archer, I'm quite certain that we've both come to "lower our expectations" as they pertain to the absolute insanity of certain posters/members of this forum.

I attribute it to "outright mismanagement" on the part of the Administration of the forum.

They, apparently, stopped caring......why should we?

[Egalite]

You just had to bring up the truth again, didn't you? How's a low life shill supposed to get any new sheep to Ellis's fold with you bringing up the past like that?

I mean if you're not careful ADulay might even think he's not welcome here anymore.

Poor little Adulay, just trying to shill for Ellis as best he knows how. Give the guy a break.

And by the way, I think you hurt the poor guy's feelings with all your common sense and honesty.

Nice to have you back FREE, I like your no nonsense, tell it like you smell it" approach. I usually get lambasted when I try the same thing. Adulay doesn't just SHILL for the likes of Ellis and Maverick, he also tries his best to shout down dissenters, discredit those that invested in those scams and got burnt, putting the blame back on those that found out the hard way.

BTW - I'm pretty sure if you have a dig at me, Walter will call you "friend". So if you are ever in need of a cyber-friend, pls feel free to have a dig at me, I will understand and won't take it personal (not that I ever do) LOL. Some may even conclude that to continue gambling after having 250,000 reasons not to, is beyond help insanity, or an uncontrollable addiction.

[tomla]

You know egolite, you repeat things thousands of times over,, I have heard that that might have something for that if interested?

[Egalite]

You know egolite, you repeat things thousands of times over,, I have heard that that might have something for that if interested?

Nice to have you back FREE, I like your no nonsense, tell it like you smell it" approach. I usually get lambasted when I try the same thing. Adulay doesn't just SHILL for the likes of Ellis and Maverick, he also tries his best to shout down dissenters, discredit those that invested in those scams and got burnt, putting the blame back on those that found out the hard way.

BTW - I'm pretty sure if you have a dig at me, Walter will call you "friend". So if you are ever in need of a cyber-friend, pls feel free to have a dig at me, I will understand and won't take it personal (not that I ever do) LOL. Some may even conclude that to continue gambling after having 250,000 reasons not to, is beyond help insanity, or an uncontrollable addiction.

[danturismo]

Lol, someone give that man a cookie!

[gr8player]

That's not true.

I've called Free my "friend" before, without him uttering a word about you. Heck, I've even called you "friend". And still do.

I couldn't care less of our differences, and even less than that of your attacking posts.

Do whatever and post whatever you're comfortable with. You're absolutely free to, for the Administration here is virtually non-existant.

Do your thing, man, as only you can. I'm fine with whatever you post, for I couldn't care less about it.

Just try, TRY, once in a while, to post THE TRUTH, man.

You can't post things like "Gr8 said he abhors FTL", and back it up with "it's his own words". Why?:
Because you're taking my words "out of context", and that's not fair, and it's not truthful. It's a clear misrepresentation of what I was truly saying, which was that I abhor FTL, just as I abhor ANY "mechanical bet selection", be it OLD, DBL, ODBL....any and all mechanical bet selections I dislike equally, mainly because you're betting every decision and the potential swings/variances are absolutely enormous.

But, you knew that. You knew the truth, but preferred to post the lie, just to make me appear the fool.

But, it's all good, man. Don't concern yourself with it. You keep right on posting whatever you deem fit.

For THE TRUTH is known by those that matter most.

Know that, MY FRIEND.

[Egalite]

That's not true.

I've called Free my "friend" before, without him uttering a word about you. Heck, I've even called you "friend". And still do.

How quaint, I'm touched.

Do whatever and post whatever you're comfortable with. You're absolutely free to, for the Administration here is virtually non-existant.

The non-existant administration over at GG was never a problem, why is an issue here?

Just try, TRY, once in a while, to post THE TRUTH, man.

Really?

You can't post things like "Gr8 said he abhors FTL", and back it up with "it's his own words". Why?:
Because you're taking my words "out of context", and that's not fair, and it's not truthful. It's a clear misrepresentation of what I was truly saying, which was that I abhor FTL, just as I abhor ANY "mechanical bet selection", be it OLD, DBL, ODBL....any and all mechanical bet selections I dislike equally, mainly because you're betting every decision and the potential swings/variances are absolutely enormous.

But, you knew that. You knew the truth, but preferred to post the lie, just to make me appear the fool.

You do that all by yourself. Note I do post the link should anybody wish to read the full quote. However, you dislike things mechanical. Didn't you recently state on this board you had a mechanical method, notwithstanding, if you play the same way after the appearance of any trigger, be that the 2nd line is populated, OR any side is hitting the 2nd or 3rd hole given its last few occurrences, surely that in it self can be construed as mechanical. Even if you enter a pre-defined "suspend mode" after a series of misses. If you have a regular way of playing, bet, no-bet, go virtual until a few wins, sure as hell sounds mechanical to me.

For THE TRUTH is known by those that matter most.

Know that, MY FRIEND.

I'm surprised you ever choose the moniker "gr8player" given your introduction to gambling, or maybe that was part of your therapy, "self-belief"?

BTW -this ain't no church meeting, some of us choose to participate in an occupation viewed by many as worst than prostitution, so lets keep it in prospective, it ain't a walk in the garden nor a lovefest, it's all out war sometimes (despite the fake smiles on both sides of the table), the stakes and consequences are very high for many, some paying the ultimate price. Enjoy your trip to AC.

[tomla]

interesting comparison prostitutes and gamblers.....hows tricks egolite?

[bigbadjohn]

Ellis says: Great post Archer! for a change. But I don't need to make any false claims. Nothing needs to be added to a 26% PA over 6 shoes. It's probably a world record. Not much I can say or do after that. I'm sure you all trust Dave, right? It just goes to show you the level this game can be played at by someone who knows what he is doing.

[Egalite]

26% LOL, your kidding right? 80% and above of a players buy-in would be a decent "watershed".