How Would You Play this Shoe

[Sethbets]

Say what...?

[Egalite]

I don't think there is any need to keep posting binary tables.

It's not for you to tell me when or what I can or should not post. Until I posted that graphic above, I have never previously tested OLD or FLD against any Binary Table, so it was new ground for me also and I decide to share it with the board. Also new ground is a more througher testing of the "Unbal" bet selection, which when you consider "actual bets placed" ashamedly debunks previous stats I have posted on this board and which also resolves also to a 50-50 state. So like I said, it's not for you to tell me what I should and shouldn't post, or how often.

The rest is MM and betting. So why not simply outline or make suggestions on how you prefer to handle MM?

You have directed a few of these, "I'd like to learn more" etc at me. Some stuff I share publicly, I provide a more in-depth explanation privately (rationale, recoup/defensive, "what to do if all hell breaks loose"), people can determine on their own to take it or leave it. Some people on this board are reasonable, some are pricks and some are too dumb to understand, however if your care to offer a reasonable argument why I should post my exact MM strategy for not only yourself and everybody else (note* it is available to a select few, just so you know I'm not just blowing hot-air here), I'm all ears. You are usually calm and collective, what's changed?

[DiMenosCor]

johno/egglitist has once again as always fell off his rocker and his self delusions has once again taken over. becareful archer first he will kiss your ass and then when he doesn't get what he wants from you he will throw his grumpy senile tantrums to satisfy his demented kicks.

[Archer]

It's not for you to tell me when or what I can or should not post. Until I posted that graphic above, I have never previously tested OLD or FLD against any Binary Table, so it was new ground for me also and I decide to share it with the board. Also new ground is a more througher testing of the "Unbal" bet selection, which when you consider "actual bets placed" ashamedly debunks previous stats I have posted on this board and which also resolves also to a 50-50 state. So like I said, it's not for you to tell me what I should and shouldn't post, or how often.
You have directed a few of these, "I'd like to learn more" etc at me. Some stuff I share publicly, I provide a more in-depth explanation privately (rationale, recoup/defensive, "what to do if all hell breaks loose"), people can determine on their own to take it or leave it. Some people on this board are reasonable, some are pricks and some are too dumb to understand, however if your care to offer a reasonable argument why I should post my exact MM strategy for not only yourself and everybody else (note* it is available to a select few, just so you know I'm not just blowing hot-air here), I'm all ears. You are usually calm and collective, what's changed?

Nothing - I thought I was being calm. Anywho, you started to get into the MM and betting stuff so I thought you might continue with that thread. Personally, I'd like to learn more but if you can't be bothered on the public forum what are you here for? Certainly your continued vitriol doesn't say much for you as a person. How do you treat your friends? Are you as angry and bitter with them all the time? They, as we, must think you awfully tiresome. I am happy to give credit where credit is due to you or Ellis, or Frits even. It's all about ego with you, isn't it? I don't mean that as an insult just an observation that seems factual.

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[Hotdog]

To archer and egalite,I think we all agree that unless we know the arrangement Of the cards, every bet is even chance. Since there is no other basis to place our bets, strategies like trending, fld, old and variance are merely an imaginary yardstick to form our basis of placing our bets in hope that they would conform to the averaging norm in the long run as well as hedging our risks by limiting our number of hands.Mm is an important aspect of the game but cannot be the only consideration. Anybody playing this game would have a basis to their decision regardless of what strategy we adopt. Both of you had your success on the table with the strategies you chose and I am sure have your experience to decide to play the game the way you play. as such I think it will be fruitless for both of you to further debate the merits of your methods. You have been great contributors on this board and it would be a shame that either 1 should further your differences that result in deeper disputes.Chill and cheersEdwin

Blessed are the peacemakers!

[swami]

My experience is that how you bet the winners in your BS is not nearly as important as how you handle the losers, and especially the losers from hell. In the end, there is no bet selection that is better than any other in terms of Win and Lose. If you do not believe this, try to think of a bet selection that is an overall loser. I have come up with some wild templates that I was sure would lose, but in the long run, they all average the same. The best bet selection is one that does not give you a bunch of consecutive losers, and they all will do this. My feeling is that to win you need to be able keep cool when the losing trend happens, and this is even impossible because you do not know when it is going to be over and a win streak starts.

The only way to win, then, is to bet more money on the winners than you lose on the losers. In this regard, I put my faith in Mongoose, which is a very overlooked MM because most do not understand it. It outperforms a flat bet, but has many of the same advantages as a flat bet. You will lose small going down and recover large coming back. It has a much better ratio compared to Sure Win. And, there are ways to modify the progression so that recovery is much less risky. I thihnk many are familiar with Mongoose, but simply do not realize how truly powerful it really is. I can take a big bankroll at times, but again, this can be held down with certain plays that change the progression.

I am obviously not a big unit better, or I would not be suggesting this play. I do not feel that the same MM can be used on a table with a high min and low max as can be used on a Net gambling site with a spread of $2-$2500. Different horses for different courses.

I would also add that, for me, looking at a shoe from only one perspective, i.e. the game B and P shoe is not sufficient. I also chart a grid, and my MM is not locked in stone. I am very happy with small consistent profits. Winning at this game requires a long term view, patience, a lot of discipline and a lot of experience. I spent many years winning most of the shoes most of the time and still comming out loser. Playing to win is quite different from playing. love, swami

[Sethbets]

My experience is that how you bet the winners in your BS is not nearly as important as how you handle the losers, and especially the losers from hell.

I disagree completely with your opening line! How do you know which bet is which before you put your money down? That's why chasing every potential (but obviously never certain until it's happened) winning streak is critical to long term profitability. People deride "chase" strategies and progressive betting because they are, of course, one and the same. But if you don't progress your bets to stay (you hope when you hit a winner) ahead of your progressive losses you're dead meat. Standing still or walking backwards won't get you anywhere in a headwind, see what I'm saying?

I'm with you 100% on your last sentence, "Playing to win is quite different from playing." The stuff in between...well, maybe I just don't understand it.


Seth T.

[swami]

What that means is that if you are winning small units, like in the beginning of a neg. prog. and then losing large units as the progression escalates, those winning units in the beginning do not have much significance compared to the larger losses which somehow have to be regained at some point, and there is no guarantee that things will get better.

I would not expect agreement with my ideas. Everyone plays as they think best, and there is a wide view of opinions. love, swami