Thread: My Strategy++ Please comment

I want to share a lil info on I play and let me know what you guys think!

My progression 1,2,4 stop and start over.. My goal is +4 for the day or -14 for the day

I make my columns 5 rows

b b p b
b b p p
p p p b
b p p b
p p b p

these are the 20 hands of the shoe..

before i walk to the table I pick a square to play and dare the casino to beat in that square..the 4th(or the 11th or the 14th etc) hand being the indicator and after that you beat opposite for hand 5,9,10 all player unit progression 1,2,4.. with that i would have won the 5th hand my first bet now im up one unit. i Do one square per shoe and walk to a different table and do it again.. Its 16 squares total i can play i dont play the last 20 hands of a shoes as you know those get tricky at times.

But if i would have played square one i would have lost because hand 1 indicator was banker and i wouldve lost 7units becasue player never showed up in that square.. THE MIDDLE ROW DOESNT COUNT top square and bottom square only! Square 1 lost, but square 2,3,4 won look at your shoe cards and tell me what you come up with.. I had 18 days no losing day making 4units per day $100 a unit! then I gave back about 14units then when on another run!

FYI horseshoe in Indiana 10$ min-100k max on 15 tables all day everyday!

I turn 1k into 50k using this strategy in 37days I took some risks in there some day but for the most part i played by the rules!
If you like this I got 5 other variations of this system just depends on how i feel which one i play!
I dont want any money im good I make plenty at the HorseShoe! I just want to share and hopefully help

I lost self control the other and blew my bank role F@cking a millionare and betting to much..

Remember rome wasnt built in a DAY! This business has its ups and downs

Originally Posted by Nassty9

FYI horseshoe in Indiana 10$ min-100k max on 15 tables all day everyday!

$10 min and $100,000 max. are the widest spreads that I have ever seen. You could run a 14 step Marty!

Can some let me know what they think bout my system

I got a Few PMs asking me to explain better.. so let me try im a gambler not a typer lol

First got get one of your old shoes and then get a blank card rewrite the the hands in rows of 5 vertical up and down .. but before you do pick a square it can be and number between 1-16.. so when it gets to your square and after youR trigger i guess you guys say then you start your betting.. 3 step progression 1,2,4

bp tb pp pb bp
bp bp pp bb tp
pp bp bp pb tp
pb bb bp pp bp
bb bp pp bp bb

fyi A TIE= NO BETTER IF IT THE INDICATOR OR IF HAPPENS DURING THE PROGRESSION PART 1 LEAVE IT ALONE, PART 2 OF PROGRESSION YOU TAKE A ONE UNIT LOSE, PART 3 OF PROGRESSION TAKE 3 UNIT LOSE.. wE HATE ties!

back to the system

The squares are based up hands 1 or 4 or 11 or 14 or 21 or 24 etc

the first hand being the indicator after that you better opposite the indicator for 3 hands so if you pick Square 2 which starts with hand 4 which is P you bet on unit bank on hand 5.. you would have won one unit.. after that you leave that shoe completely alone..

I never sit at a table i am always walking but it helps that we have over 15 tables going at all time At the horseshoe casino Indiana..
the 3rd row does not count for anything in my system we just make 4block squares..
Pick random squares and make the casino beat you at that square..

I was taught this by an old man who i seen make plenty of money with the right disiplne and the right MM.. played the right way you will having winning months.. If you lose a square move on and keep fighting

Have what square you wanna play already decided and go at the casino! Dare them to beat you at square.. My streak is like 18 straight winning days at 4units before a -14unit day.. I try to average 20units a week if i can but some weeks i dont make anything it really depends!

Please post your shoes on her and write them in rows of five pick a square before you right it out and see how many time your squares win before you take a 7unit lose..

I REALLY WANT YOUR GUYS HELP I AM FAR FROM A PROFESSIONAL I JUST WANT TO BECOME A BETTER PLAYER! I PLAY FOR REAL UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE I HAVE SEEN IT ALL IN JUST TWO YEARS OF PLAYING FROM 37P AND 4B TO START A SHOE.. TO 4 TIES IN ROW.. TO A 2OSUMTHING PLAYER STREAK(I WALKED AWAY I LOST LOL).. NOT TO MENTION ALL THE BANKER STREAKS AND CHOPS I SEEN..

THE BEST RULE IS DONT FIGHT A BAD SHOE! GET UP AND WALK AWAY

I'm sorry, I still am not understanding your system.

If a number equals the hand number, do you write your shoe results like

1 6
2 7
3 8
4 9
5 10

or is it

1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10

?

What exactly is a square?

How about if you list a shoe like this:

p
b
p
p
b
b
p
p
p
b
b
b
b
p
b
p
b
p
b
b
p
p
b
p

and then beside each hand you write something like this:

p No Bet
b No Bet
p No Bet
p Bet 1 Unit B Using Square ??? Net -1
b Bet 2 units B Net +1
b
p
p
p
b
b
b
b
p
b
p
b
p
b
b
p
p
b
p

Just trying to understand.

1 6 11 16 21 26
2 7 12 17 22 27
3 8 13 18 23 28
4 9 14 19 24 29
5 10 15 20 25 30

These are actual hands just wrote in colmns of 5.
The indicating hands(which u don't bet) are hands 1 or 4 or 11 or 14 or 21 or 24.. So I u picked square 3 hand 11 is your indicator so you will play hand 12,16,17.. Opposite whatever hand 11 hand was.. So if 11 was player you play banker 3 times hand 12,16,17.. Do you get it.
?

Me too still confused with the word SQUARE. How do you wind up indicating hands 1or4or11or14or21or24...??

""""""""So I u picked square 3 hand 11 is your indicator so you will play hand 12,16,17.. Opposite whatever hand 11 hand was.. So if 11 was player you play banker 3 times hand 12,16,17""""""""""""""""

Why do you have to bet hand 12,16,17 ,why not bet hand 12,13,14 instead?

Originally Posted by Nassty9

1 OR 6 11 16 21 26
2 7 12 17 22 27
3 8 13 18 23 28
4 9 14 19 24 29
5 10 15 20 25 30

These are actual hands just wrote in colmns of 5.
The indicating hands(which u don't bet) are hands 1 or 4 or 11 or 14 or 21 or 24.. So I u picked square 3 hand 11 is your indicator so you will play hand 12,16,17.. Opposite whatever hand 11 hand was.. So if 11 was player you play banker 3 times hand 12,16,17.. Do you get it.
?

OR

It's abit difficult to figure it out but I got it.
I think it's a good strategy. Good for hit and run short term, cause the loseses = 7 units.
And you need run of 8 wins after a loss. I'm impressed with your 18 winning days streak and the profit figure.

One way to recover a Marty series loss is to increase unit size but if you hit the unlikely 2nd series loss that makes it even worse.
In my opinion I would use this over just guessing. Maybe trying to see how can I make it work with flat betting or a 2 step Marty.

Oddsman ,
perhaps you can explain to us if you got it. Appreciate it if you can.

Okay I see now. Thanks Nassty and oddsman.

I've played a system very similar to this. I used a pre-determined template and if the template and the shoe agreed for 3 in a row I would then bet opposite the template and if the template and the shoe did not agree for 3 in a row I would bet with the template. I only played a half dozen shoes in the casino with it before my practice sessions started going to pieces. I quit playing it after that but I only investigated a martingale betting scheme. There may be better ones out there now.

I will try to explain in few min the basic idea the way I see it.
But as I said I'm trying to stay away from 1 2 4 Marty and I'm testing few ways.

Squares.JPG Here are the "Squares" Believe the number "3" refers to 3rd Square. Click on squares to enlarge. T101

You record and play when required this way.1 6 11 162 7 12 173 8 13 184 9 14 195 10 15 20That's the flow of the results. Now first opportunity you see that result 1 was for example B You gonna Play the opposite at result 2If P came up you won end of series.B came up, you wait don't bet the next 3 results.Than for result 6 you would continue your series still going for opposite of B, this time you double your bet in a Marty. If again you lost cause B came up you going for opposiite B for result 7( drawing #7 in my chart)

1,6,11,162,7,12,173,8,13,184,9,14,195,10,15,20*

Use the chat in post 6 with my explanation.
I'm trying to post a chart and it's not working maybe cause I'm using my phone.
Sorry for this mess up

In two minds whether to reply to this nonsense, it sure explains why so many lose and struggle playing this game. Why not simply toss a coin four times (Heads = B, Tails = P) and save yourself the pain and effort, unless of course anybody care to explain the significance of playing a square, no wait a minute spare me the pain.

Originally Posted by Nassty9

I want to share a lil info on I play and let me know what you guys think!

My goal is +4 for the day or -14 for the day

Don't know if your method of play would hold up since I have not tested it nor plan to since it is just based on two elements of P and B.

What I find perplexing is that you are creating for yourself a negative expectation to your method. I mean you are willing to lose 14 units just to make 4? On top of that you are laying on a progression.

Willing to lose 4 units to make 14, okay. That is great but not the other way around as you are doing right now.

He's risking 7 to make 1.
In a 1-2-4 Marty.

His system is ok. But you can get same results with systems which are simpler to track even with no writing down. Some are in this forum.
For some reason which I can't explain I find some system like this one better than just guessing or using random number generator off the net to select bets.

You Likly to get lucky short term with 3 step Marty,
But long term I would use 2 step max.

Originally Posted by oddsman

He's risking 7 to make 1.
In a 1-2-4 Marty.

Thanks for further clarifying with the martingale. Personally not a fan of them since I have seen decimation of many bankrolls no matter how conservative they are like in this case. Emotions will come into play and it would go to absolute hell and would be tough to crawl back.

Risking 7 to make 1. Imagine you are playing at a $300 table. Damn. One would be risking $2,100 just to make $300. Not to forget commissions. Very low Win/Turnover% in actual playing. Either you are going to make big like the case of making $50,000 in one month. Yet he gave it all back.

The goal is to find an angle so that you can use a method like this one in a 1-2 Marty and have it still produce decent results. At least you stay away from a 1-2-4. That's a start in the right direction.

Originally Posted by oddsman

The goal is to find an angle so that you can use a method like this one in a 1-2 Marty and have it still produce decent results. At least you stay away from a 1-2-4. That's a start in the right direction.

Yeah but,,,, Don't you also need a 3/1 win ratio?????

Originally Posted by oddsman

The goal is to find an angle so that you can use a method like this one in a 1-2 Marty and have it still produce decent results. At least you stay away from a 1-2-4. That's a start in the right direction.

Well that is going to take lots and lots of practice of this kind of pattern(s) playing each shoe individually BEFORE you hit the tables.

As usual lots of practice/real time simulation plays.

This system basically saying bet OLD if lost wait 3 drawn results than repeat your last bet selection up 2 more times.Although he saying to consider tie a loss. I'm guessing anyone can modify it to consider tie no play.

Also he does have timing of starting to bet. So my above is just a rough idea as far as I understand it.

Egalite, I'm not basing my answer on testing but I think even though 1-2 Marty needs 33%, in reality let's say you play 30 min a day, 1 day you gonna have 100% another day 10% if u mix abit of luck and a good angle I think if the system put you in a position to profit and improve your chances than many people using it , I said many not all , going to profit, maybe over a day or a week or a month. Again it's just my belief from my unscientifical experience.

Originally Posted by pmnight40

Me too still confused with the word SQUARE. How do you wind up indicating hands 1or4or11or14or21or24...??

""""""""So I u picked square 3 hand 11 is your indicator so you will play hand 12,16,17.. Opposite whatever hand 11 hand was.. So if 11 was player you play banker 3 times hand 12,16,17""""""""""""""""

Why do you have to bet hand 12,16,17 is square ,why not bet hand 12,13,14 is not square! instead?






OR

He choose square ? why did you ask?

Originally Posted by Therapy101

Squares.JPG Here are the "Squares" Believe the number "3" refers to 3rd Square. Click on squares to enlarge. T101

1P .6P
2P .7P match no 2,6,7 (square) and unmatch 267 are 50-50

hello eveyone and thanx for the feedback let me try and make this simple as possible..

1. get one of your old cards out
2.Pick a number between 1-16(that is you square you gambling on)
3. write all the results of the shoe in rows of five vertically
4. if you picked square 4(see me earlier post to figure out the square thing) of indicator hand 14 is your indicator so its b or p you play opposite of the indicator for hand 15,19,20.. i use 1,2,4 progression

For the math guys and zumma guys( I got the book too) test out this system or strategy and tell me what you get back i want feedback..

my numbers say come back that per 100 squares i play i will lose about 8squares on average with is a 56unit loss but that mean i won 85-90 squares(bcause ties are no play) so thats 85-56=29units up I strive for 20unit profit per 100 squares I play

I want everyone to write out they shoes 5 columns.. And you should only have about one to two losing squares on your card.. the goal is hope that you dont pick that one to play..

You really just want to string about 5-8 my stop win is 4 units a day and stop lose in -14units(my streak is 18 days of 4 units) good days together before talking a losing day and dont start gambling or break the system.. You need about 50units to play this way i say..

But i am here to help and also LEARN so please dont bash me until you write out you cards and actually see what I am saying or If you are in Chicago met and the horseshoe indiana and lets play im there 5 times a week or so..

Oddsman I like your idea of a 2step lets see if we can tweak this!

FYI i didnt give the 50k i won i brought some investment property with it now im working with about 3-5k bankroll rebuilding it again


Thanx guys
Its nothing like a NASSTY 9

Risking 7 to make 1. Imagine you are playing at a $300 table. Damn. One would be risking $2,100 just to make $300. Not to forget commissions. Very low Win/Turnover% in actual playing. Either you are going to make big like the case of making $50,000 in one month. Yet he gave it all back.[/QUOTE]

yes risking 7 for 1..but you got put you wins together and cut the loses! and i agree emotion is hard to fight! and my casino is $10-100kmax all day every day 15 tables

Originally Posted by Therapy101

Squares.JPG Here are the "Squares" Believe the number "3" refers to 3rd Square. Click on squares to enlarge. T101

thanx for making it look right.. the numbers are the actual hand so if you pick square2 hand 4 in your indicator then you bet opposite for hand 5,9,10..