Thread: no winning system!!!!

Hi all.

I want to keep it short, cause i am not for entertainment her.
In those two months of following this forum i came to the conclusion that there is no such thing like a winning system.

All of these supposed systems are snake oil and will bring you right to the casinos where they will be waiting for you.

So, wish all of you verry much luck cause thats the only thing you can caunt on with these so cauld systems.

Correct me if iam wrong.


Greatings.

Yunus

Originally Posted by yunus

Hi all.

I want to keep it short, cause i am not for entertainment her.
In those two months of following this forum i came to the conclusion that there is no such thing like a winning system.

All of these supposed systems are snake oil and will bring you right to the casinos where they will be waiting for you.

So, wish all of you verry much luck cause thats the only thing you can caunt on with these so cauld systems.

Correct me if iam wrong.


Greatings.

Yunus

So you signed up just to say that?

What system did you use and how much you lose?

I didnt use any system, simply because there is none system. Its all about luck and in time the casino will beat you (see... Wizard of Odds: The last word on gambling strategy).

I came here just out of curiosity. Now, due the so "many" responses i have got :-)) we easely can conclude that iam right.
Dont you think?

1. I think you just want responses or stir up some drama, IMHO. But that's cool. I can't say you are RIGHT given that you have not supplied any info to back up your claim. Plus, a lack of responses only shows a lack of interest. Also, you can't prove negatives - i.e., I can't prove something DOESN'T exist .

2. I think you can look at it from the other side of the coin as well - they are all winning systems given the appropriate shoe. True, thus far no system 'completely' wins every shoe, every time it is played. However, each system can win at certain times.

3. "The longer you stay in a casino you will lose.": Can't agree with this as many times I've spent 12 hours losing from the beginning only to win back all my bank in one shoe. Plus vice versa. I don't think time is an issue so much as waiting for the right shoe to play. If you can't control yourself and/or lack patience then it is more than likely that you will lose the longer you stay in a casino.

4. Systems: I look at systems as a method to optimize the odds of winning. Not as a system to employ blindly and think you're gonna get rich. If there was a way to beat bacarrat it would no longer be in casinos.

Originally Posted by yunus

I want to keep it short, cause i am not for entertainment her.

Always good when your first sentence is a lie too.

Not a lie, just my opinion. However, I don't understand why you make statements about baccarat. Do you even play? If so, why are you complaining? Is it because you consistently lose and are angry?

Originally Posted by vroess

Not a lie, just my opinion. However, I don't understand why you make statements about baccarat. Do you even play? If so, why are you complaining? Is it because you consistently lose and are angry?

You're not here for entertainment yet make pointless posts to try and stir up a pot.. Okay.

And no I am not angry lol.. I am pretty happy with the sum of money baccarat has made me.

I am here because it is amusing reading posts like yours, just imagining how much money you have lost and then coming on here hoping others have lost like you and you want to feel better. Sad really.

He is correct. There is no system and anyone that tells you that they are beating baccarat is lying.

Originally Posted by saleentim

You're not here for entertainment yet make pointless posts to try and stir up a pot.. Okay.

Did you actually read this thread? It wasn't started by Vroess!!!!!

From 1:50 to 2:00.

If you constantly emotionally override what works for you and try to push and overreach, things are going to collapse on you sooner or later. Having a goal and reach it then leave or knowing when things don't go your way and leave are the two best "systems" for your brain. By knowing how to do that you can turn something mediocre into something good and something good into something that is great. Man some of you folks need to read the Zurich Axioms and internalized them. You will surely come out a head more in your wagers at the tables and in life.

DiMenos,

that was an awesome clip, I want some of that!

That is a good movie.

Originally Posted by DAWGPEN

He is correct. There is no system and anyone that tells you that they are beating baccarat is lying.

How quaint, another dyed in the wool, loser asshole who feels the need to post on here, how quaint, hey hey.

I would beg to differ, re a winning systems. Yes there seems to be alot of talk about simulations, program a computer etc. However I do believe there is no safe guard for human nature. I was emailing this guy from the Baccarat Mmebership. www.baccaratmembership.com. There seems to be like a hedgefund Baccarat group.

Like most things in any event there will be hits, or miss, in streaks pretty clearly predicted by set forward rules and formulas of probability theory. IF one plays longer sessions at the baccarat table, for example, they will face a higher probability of some very long losing streaks. However to play shorter sessions, and there is a far better chance that they escape with shorter losing streaks. Recommended to play baccarat more aggressively at the beginning of short sessions.

Originally Posted by Orsino

I was emailing this guy from the Baccarat Mmebership. www.......... There seems to be like a hedgefund Baccarat group.

I'm sure that group would do well to take some of the 'profits' and hire somebody who can spell and write english in its correct context, on the internet.

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There are ways to alter the distribution of wins and losses so that a player is the favourite in the short term.

But yes, long term, no system beats the House Edge.

But I do believe a focused gambler could have a successful career were he to navigate himself patiently through the worlds of:

* poker
* sportsbetting
* baccarat
* blackjack
* investing

The key is to pick your spots wisely and never expose your bankroll to ruin.

Originally Posted by soxfan

How quaint, another dyed in the wool, loser asshole who feels the need to post on here, how quaint, hey hey.

so you call some one a asshole for stating a fact, i see how this forum works.

There is no way anyone can win in a long run in baccrat, no system works.. if that's not true, casinos would not have this game.

You can win in blackjack by counting cards, poker by being a better player, but baccrat is pure luck.. not system works, the next hand come out is going to be 50/50, regardless of how the previous hands are, the assumption that past patterns can predict the next hand is bs, that's why casinos are happy to offer pen and paper and digital display. If the next hand(s) match the pattern, we call it a good shoe, if they don't, a bad shoe, but in the end. any hand comes out of the shoe is purely random..(now tell me if that's not 100% true) I think I will quit playing this sucker game.

Originally Posted by yunus

Hi all.

I want to keep it short, cause i am not for entertainment her.
In those two months of following this forum i came to the conclusion that there is no such thing like a winning system.

All of these supposed systems are snake oil and will bring you right to the casinos where they will be waiting for you.

So, wish all of you verry much luck cause thats the only thing you can caunt on with these so cauld systems.

Correct me if iam wrong



Greatings.

Yunus

you can't find good system at this free forum.Everything is using this $.
My friend will make a book someday and the $,he will give for poor.I also should buy no free.
After I know it I will share to you.he is winning.... 10 days win 5 days,60 hands win 10u.
Good luck...

Originally Posted by bacc01

..any hand comes out of the shoe is purely random..(now tell me if that's not 100% true) I think I will quit playing this sucker game.

You can quit it if you so desire, Bacc01, that choice remains entirely yours, my friend.

BUUUUT, as far as "each hand being random", there I must disagree. I am of the opinion that this game, being a closed-end shoe game, has shoes that can (and do) carry certain characteristics, or traits, or, may I be so bold as to say, "trends".

When one can become adept, be it through vast experience and/or practice, at spotting those inherent characteristics/traits/trends, one can then develope a plan to best take advantage of them.

That, my friends, is how this game is won, long term.

Good luck with whatever you decide, Bacc01.

Originally Posted by gr8player

You can quit it if you so desire, Bacc01, that choice remains entirely yours, my friend.

BUUUUT, as far as "each hand being random", there I must disagree. I am of the opinion that this game, being a closed-end shoe game, has shoes that can (and do) carry certain characteristics, or traits, or, may I be so bold as to say, "trends".

When one can become adept, be it through vast experience and/or practice, at spotting those inherent characteristics/traits/trends, one can then develope a plan to best take advantage of them.

That, my friends, is how this game is won, long term.

Good luck with whatever you decide, Bacc01.

now be honest and tell us how much you have lost over the years playing this game, with your so called system.. it's not beatable, long term period.

Hi dimenos,

Its a nice fiction clip you posted above, but we all know real live dsnt work like that. In real live you have to struggle hard otherwise u wont be here.

I should say, wake up and see the facts that live is all about a winn/lose game. And in the casino u lose.

Grg.

Yunus

Originally Posted by yunus

Hi dimenos,

Its a nice fiction clip you posted above, but we all know real live dsnt work like that. In real live you have to struggle hard otherwise u wont be here.

I should say, wake up and see the facts that live is all about a winn/lose game. And in the casino u lose.

Grg.

Yunus

I am only concerned about from 1:50 to 2:00 which I have listed on my post. That movie which is called Limitless is about some pill that will enhance your brain so you can fully harness its potential unlocking what is within you. Yes all fiction. Well for now.

Most of the times the casino doesn't need to do much to defeat you. In most cases you defeat yourself with your emotions, uncontrollable greed, and the lack of self-discipline.

There is no way one can win all the time. When and if you are able to keep your losses small and your winnings to be consistent, you would not have a problem.

From your first post I can say that either you find a way to learn how to wager or this is not for you if you are not willing to put in the work and effort. All the work and thinking are to be done BEFORE you hit the tables not during.

Your preaching will just fall on deaf ears.

Originally Posted by DiMenosCor

Most of the times the casino doesn't need to do much to defeat you. In most cases you defeat yourself with your emotions, uncontrollable greed, and the lack of self-discipline.

There is no way one can win all the time. When and if you are able to keep your losses small and your winnings to be consistent, you would not have a problem.

From your first post I can say that either you find a way to learn how to wager or this is not for you if you are not willing to put in the work and effort. All the work and thinking are to be done BEFORE you hit the tables not during.

Your preaching will just fall on deaf ears.

You forgot to mention the most important part, that casino has 1+% edge over the player on baccrat.. so the longer you bet the more you lose, regardless of such things as: emotions, greed, self-decipline, work, effort. You are in your dream world to think just by have self control you can beat Baccrat DiMenosCor

If you have 1% edge over the casino, you don't need any of these listed things to win, you can be emotional, greedy and still be a winner just by making bets after bets.

I have yet to know a baccrat player who wins over the casino over a long period of time

Originally Posted by bacc01

..If you have 1% edge over the casino, you don't need any of these listed things to win, you can be emotional, greedy and still be a winner just by making bets after bets.

I have yet to know a baccrat player who wins over the casino over a long period of time

Hello, Bacc01. I just want you to know, up front, that I certainly do understand where you're coming from, I totally understand your position and how strongly you feel about it; I simply ask you to try to understand mine:

One cannot possibly, IMHO, ever obtain that "1% edge" you allude to above (nor, frankly, any edge) IF one DID NOT HAVE the necessary control over their emotions and greed, among other things. It simply cannot exist without the "total package" that is the very essence of long term success.

Why would anyone think otherwise? Does anyone out there think that, even with a 1% edge, that all you'd need to do was to SHOW UP and the casino would just write you a check? Ridiculous, right? Well, it's just as ridiculous to assume that any player with an edge would NOT HAVE, as part and parcel of that edge, the necessary control over the MYRIAD OF ASPECTS that they can, in fact, control.

I can't control the flow of the cards, Bacc01, but I CAN CONTROL exactly how I REACT to them.

1.) No-bet
2.) Vary the size of my bet
3.) End any session at my discretion
4.) Bet when and where I wish to
5.) Accept short wins and even shorter losses

A myriad of Player's Advantages. How one utilizes them best, is up to each one of us. Our personal responsibility. It's a challenge, Bacc01, let's make no mistake of that. But I am of the opinion that those that take that responsibility seriously have a better than even chance at negating that daunted "house edge" and, with some good tweaking, both of bet selection and a "married" MM to fit that bet selection, even come out ahead over the long term.

I wish you all the best.

I mean anything you have to bet your money to get money will never get you on top.. especially you are betting something lower percentage to win.....

well, i mean when i think about whole picture of gambling.. it just doesn't make sense and it is easy to figure out it is not going to make you rich.. it can make you poor though.....

i mean if you don't get money 100% you are gambling... and there is always a risk involve.....

like collecting water bottle at part or collecting coins will never lose the money so i can always can get on top.. but gambling will be very hard to get on top..... i mean whole thing doesn't make sense.. driving there and eating there and tips and casino takes comission for bank and etc.. i mean it is impossible to get on top.. i mean even you win 5 years there is no gurantee that you will continue win rest of your life... you never know when you can lose your control....

i tell people make sure stay away from gambling... there are many other ways you can make consistent money.. of course nothing make you rich in over night... but casino games are very dangerous.....

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A myriad of Player's Advantages. How one utilizes them best, is up to each one of us. Our personal responsibility. It's a challenge, Bacc01, let's make no mistake of that. But I am of the opinion that those that take that responsibility seriously have a better than even chance at negating that daunted "house edge" and, with some good tweaking, both of bet selection and a "married" MM to fit that bet selection, even come out ahead over the long term.

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There is nothing you can do to negate the 'house edge', emotion, money management only make you lose a little slower. how much have you won or lost over the years? I find this forum full of problem gamblers advocating systems in a game that's not beatable.

What do you guys not understand? Ask any mathematician in the world and they will agree you can't beat it no matter how you play it. You can't change the house edge. The only way it could be beaten is if it's not random.

everyone here has a good point to their side of the debate. if i could prove to you all that you can win consistently in baccarat despite the fact that the house has an edge over you, would that make me a goddess of baccarat?

I know of no winning system. However, there are winning players. Go to any Las Vegas Casino and in their files are scores of banned players who beat the casinos consistently. Advantage players can beat any game in the house that has a reasonable edge. This arguement will go on forever. It is like the Math boyz against everyone else. I certainly agree that there are few who have the neccessary assets to win, both emotionally and financially. To say no one can ever win is impossible, because you cannot ever have access to that information. It is simply what you believe, it is not a fact. love, swami

are you the mongoose guy?