Thread: Amusing

I check in once in a while but summer time is not gambling time for me. But . . .WOW!

Egalite, GR8 whoever you guys are really doesn't matter. But enough is enough. Why not continue your diatribe in private? I always thought you both had some good things to say about the game and that is what we are here for. I don't know exactly how either one of you play but from your hints it seems that you are on different tacks. Since you guys are not selling anything you'll not raise my ire. Paleeese bury the hatchet and discuss the game!

I see now that Virtuoid has become a believer in . . . ? Table selection! and MM! Well okay this is gambling and still is a guessing game. But I wonder if Ellis" "NOR" is better than any of the rest? It now is a matter of watching a tote board and gaining an advantage because all of a sudden past performance predicts future outcomes when it never did before! Sometimes it does and if not then keep losses low and walk - a real street grind way to play but hey . ..

What do we know about winning? #1. Practically speaking we MUST raise our bet after a loss AND we must win more of the big bets than small bets. This doesn't mean we can't start flat and see how it goes but basically we will, due to commission lose more than win so at some point we must raise the bet to recoup. How one does that is a matter of taste and bankroll. #2. We must have a bet placement scheme of some sort. Whether it is FLD or OLD or a combination of the two (OTBL, TBL). We choose from a guess and we try to learn what "seems" to have been working best and hope it repeats. What else is there?

In general most of us are going to find ourselves making very little over the long run IF we are winning. This because we WILL run into crummy shoes - just a matter of time. Virtuoid had it right in the beginning. It is ultimately a function of hands per hour. We can walk and table select all we want but the law of large numbers WILL kick in at some point. That's why the Ellis" of the world sell rather than play - always have.

OKAY - here is one of my favorite ways to play. Regarding betting I have different styles but conservatively I like to flat bet and see how it goes. If it goes well no problem and maybe even some nice parlays. If not I got to run some kind of short NP. Maybe even Ellis" modified D'Alembert which is okay because it has both up as you win and up as you lose so we can kind of choose how we play according to MM in each game.

Basically I play two games with this. First game wait for a repeat and bet OLD. I am looking for choppy shoe where there are more 2's and 3's then 5's. I lose only commission on 4's. Then I play the 1's separate. I play 1,2 NP after a 1 in a row ONLY when the 1's are normal or high in the shoe. If not I don't play the 1's at all AND if not I don't play OLD. Theory is when 1's are scarce there is more room for repeats of 2,3,4 etc. so I will a) switch to FLD or b) leave with small win or small loss.

As far as table selection I don't. Primarily because I can't. Where I play there are few seats. If I do have a choice I will look at some scorecards and naturally like anyone else I will sit where the game seems most choppy because it is easiest to beat. Rarely do I see shoes that are so streaky that I can win a lot. On streaky shoes I try to make few FLD bets and get out with a nice win. If it IS real good then of course I parlay the streak.

Not a big winner in units because I like to keep the units low.

Thanks for listening!

Archer

Very good your point about those 2 guys i agree.

I am looking for choppy shoe where there are more 2's and 3's then 5's. I lose only commission on 4's.

Hi, Archer. Do you bet FLD one unit after the 3's or using OLD 1 unit after the 3's?

Originally Posted by punvit

Hi, Archer. Do you bet FLD one unit after the 3's or using OLD 1 unit after the 3's?

I guess this "pro" really doesn't understand a choppy shoe, right class? You bet OLD When the shoe is choppy. Write that down, run a negative progression 1,2 after the 3's if you must. Jimske, How's it been? Glad to see you back. Keeping your head above water at the tables? P.S. I know a bunch of these "Pros" on the forum. I got their info from various sources you know? LOL.

Originally Posted by Laugh

I guess this "pro" really doesn't understand a choppy shoe, right class? You bet OLD When the shoe is choppy. Write that down, run a negative progression 1,2 after the 3's if you must. Jimske, How's it been? Glad to see you back. Keeping your head above water at the tables? P.S. I know a bunch of these "Pros" on the forum. I got their info from various sources you know? LOL.

By the way, I was asking "Archer", not anyone else, so fuck-off!!

Who is "Jimske"? Your long lost father?

Go screw yourself somewhere else, you new "troll".

What are you doing in this forum anyway?

I know you're not here to learn about baccarat, because you don't play.

I do respect "Archer" as one of the player who "plays" the game.

I do understand how to play chops very well, as I encounter them in almost every shoe, 3-5 days a week.

But, just wondering how exactly "Archer" handle this situation, as he has stated.

And the way he plays, could be either way.

Originally Posted by punvit

By the way, I was asking "Archer", not anyone else, so fuck-off!!

Who is "Jimske"? Your long lost father?

Go screw yourself somewhere else, you new "troll".

I do respect "Archer" as one of the player who "plays" the game.

I do understand how to play chops very well, as I encounter them in almost every shoe, 3-5 days a week.

But, just wondering how exactly "Archer" handle this situation, as he has stated.

And the way he plays, could be either way.

Jimske is Archer you stupid douche bag. I knew him over 2 years ago, long before you started playing. Stop asking childish questions. Archer might not remember because he has bad memory or so he says. LOL.

Originally Posted by Laugh

Jimske is Archer you stupid douche bag. I knew him over 2 years ago, long before you started playing. Stop asking childish questions. Archer might not remember because he has bad memory or so he says. LOL.

Anyway, just fuck-off and go hijack somewhere else.

Did I ask you?

You're not "Archer", so stop fucking around with your stupid idiot nonsence and useless comments.

Originally Posted by punvit

Anyway, just fuck-off and go hijack somewhere else.

You're not "Archer", so stop fucking around with your nonsence and useless comments.

What a piece of shit little punk liar you are. Got any more clothes to sell? I'll send you a PM.

Originally Posted by Laugh

What a piece of shit little punk liar you are. Got any more clothes to sell? I'll send you a PM.

Go fuck yourself punk-ass!!!

You're doing nothing here but, to get on all the members' nerves.

I will keep reporting your shitty posts, until you get banned.

Mike, I wonder when you'll clean up all the hijackers and trolls in this forum?

Well at least now there aren't anyone asking for Bryan's triggers.

Originally Posted by punvit

Go fuck yourself punk-ass!!!

I will keep reporting your shitty posts, until you get banned.

Mike, I wonder when you'll clean up all the hijackers and trolls in this forum?

You're insulting Mike now? Giving him orders? Hmmm. All right, real clever.

Originally Posted by Laugh

You're insulting Mike now? Giving him orders? Hmmm. All right, real clever.

I'm not "order" him to do anything.

But, he should do his job as a moderator of this forum, that's all we ask for.

And in this case, just to clean-up or banned a piece of shit like you.

We don't need someone like you in this forum.

It's Chucky Cheese meets Children of the Corn!

The egalite and the gr888888888888one are having a war and the pundit is all riled up. We just need garnabby jones to make a comeback and it'll be like old times, yeehaw, hey hey!

Originally Posted by soxfan

The egalite and the gr888888888888one are having a war and the pundit is all riled up. We just need garnabby jones to make a comeback and it'll be like old times, yeehaw, hey hey!

Not to forget our beloved Ellis.

Looks like now every discussion always tend to deviate towards into some kind of flame war. This is like some inevitable in here. This is by far the most liberal and loose discussion board one will ever run into.

Originally Posted by TeddyKGB

Looks like now every discussion always tend to deviate towards into some kind of flame war. This is like some inevitable in here. This is by far the most liberal and loose discussion board one will ever run into.

This would never happened if, the moderator clean-up all the trolls and hijackers in this forum, one by one.

Those people are here for their own purposes and not about baccarat.

They're either losers or just don't play this game.

Originally Posted by punvit

Hi, Archer. Do you bet FLD one unit after the 3's or using OLD 1 unit after the 3's?

No FLD at all. This is for a shoe where choppy prevails. If I am not getting normal or high 1's I would expect to be ready to NOT play this way and then must make a switch.

A

Originally Posted by punvit

But, just wondering how exactly "Archer" handle this situation, as he has stated. And the way he plays, could be either way.

Yeah, could be either way. As much as we understand that past decisions do NOT predict future decisions how else can we play! We can only play to the strength of the shoe. The strength is what is most prevalent. (Gr8's "variances" not withstanding - I haven't a clue what he is talking about and apparently he is not saying what they are).

So we look and if choppy then the method outlined will win as long as the shoe conforms. If I am winning then I will parlay my small units to capitalize on a good conforming shoe. If not I have to either change or leave or lose!

Here are shoes posted by IMSPIRIT:

B111111441331211222121151113111221411211 (complete)
P112312115211412211314252121253531141 (complete)
B13211224724112112 (partial)
B122121113211131411143 (partial)
B4111141113121312 (partial)

The 1st and 3rd shoe began low on 1's (I discount a long chop - shoe 1) but I still make units with this IF I recognize that 1's are low and do NOT chase the second 4 that went 7 at shoe #3. Win the rest of the shoes easily. With good MM and gamble parlay maybe win quite a bit. But if we switch to FLD as soon as we see 1's low (after play 12 to be sure on #3) and give that a gamble we do pretty well.

All these shoes fairly consistent and since only 1 run longer then 5 we can make money. How much? Betting and MM.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

No FLD at all. This is for a shoe where choppy prevails. If I am not getting normal or high 1's I would expect to be ready to NOT play this way and then must make a switch.

A

Jim, good "OLD" stuff. Too bad you lost money on that "Baccarat Experiment". I'll PM you later.

Originally Posted by Laugh

Jim, good "OLD" stuff. Too bad you lost money on that "Baccarat Experiment". I'll PM you later.

Which experiment is that? How much money did I lose, pray tell? Why all the intrigue? Why PM me? Why not just say who you are and what you got to say? Why hint around on the public forum?

A

Originally Posted by Archer

No FLD at all. This is for a shoe where choppy prevails. If I am not getting normal or high 1's I would expect to be ready to NOT play this way and then must make a switch.

Thank you for clarifying your play, Archer.

Based on this statement: -

I am looking for choppy shoe where there are more 2's and 3's then 5's. I lose only commission on 4's.

So, you'd sometimes bet after the 3's to go to 4's or it could be OLD after 3's that it would jump to the other side, and it's all depend on the shoes?

Originally Posted by punvit

So, you'd sometimes bet after the 3's to go to 4's or it could be OLD after 3's that it would jump to the other side, and it's all depend on the shoes?

Depending on my read of 1's I would play FLD after waiting a repeat of 2 and either ignore the 1's or play them separate.

A

Originally Posted by Laugh

Jim, good "OLD" stuff. Too bad you lost money on that "Baccarat Experiment". I'll PM you later.

Well Laugh had a little laugh. He PM'd me: "Archer, chill out man. I was talking about the GTG experiment. Don't have to get all defensive. Anyways have a good day." PunvitName deleted ". . .(Punvit) over there is all riled up for nothing. You shouldn't be. That's all I have to say since you're lashing out publicly for no reason. I told you I was going to PM you about something, forget it."

Well I know now that you referred to my $325.00 investment with Frits Dunki-Jacobs (aka GrabTheGold)which was public knowledge on this forum but I still don't know who you are or why you bothered to play this little game instead of just PMing me and saying what you wanted to say. But now you are offended that I "lashed" out? Think about it Mr. Laugh from Comedy Land.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

Depending on my read of 1's I would play FLD after waiting a repeat of 2 and either ignore the 1's or play them separate.

A

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Archer

Well Laugh had a little laugh. He PM'd me: "Archer, chill out man. I was talking about the GTG experiment. Don't have to get all defensive. Anyways have a good day." PunvitName deleted ". . .(Punvit) over there is all riled up for nothing. You shouldn't be. That's all I have to say since you're lashing out publicly for no reason. I told you I was going to PM you about something, forget it."Well I know now that you referred to my $325.00 investment with Frits Dunki-Jacobs (aka GrabTheGold)which was public knowledge on this forum but I still don't know who you are or why you bothered to play this little game instead of just PMing me and saying what you wanted to say. But now you are offended that I "lashed" out? Think about it Mr. Laugh from Comedy Land. A

A sucker is born every minute and you got suckered by Frits, Jimski James Jimmy boy. You and little Timmy there. Jimmy and Timmy that goes together nicely. Play nice now and maybe you'll get your money back. Nah, every sucker has to pay. LOL.

Archer and Punvit you guys have been cool in your own ways. I'll go ahead and bury the hatchet.

Originally Posted by Egalite

Hey Puny, is there any truth to the rumour you are now including Bryan's trigger list with every garment sold

That might be a good idea, instead of including one of your shitty losing systems.

People would throw it away, without even look at it.

Originally Posted by punvit

That might be a good idea, instead of including one of your shitty losing systems.

Ahh come on now, you were after every single one for a six month period. I notice you did a swell job in deleting all your hundred or so "please share" posts, well done. How's the clothes selling business coming along?

Originally Posted by Egalite

How's the clothes selling business coming along?

Everything is good for me, as I still make good money with everything I do.

How about you being one of those "over shoulder" bettor or a small time gambler, at your shitty local casino.

Being up and down with your modified fibonacci shit, and still playing your ass-off day by day, lol.