Thread: Ellis selling my system on his site for $300???!!! hahahlol

Ladies and gentlemen,Nice upgrade to the forum, looks great!Anyway, I've received some news that Ellis is selling my strategy on his site! I am very flattered!Unfortunately shady people exist in this world and I hope that people check here first. As for trying to copywrite and protect my ideas, I don't mind. I know people and people can be very desperate, I mean I've even bought a silverthorn . I just hope that people get the word out about this forum and stay disciplined and win!Shame on you Ellis...Cheers from California,Pitboss-

Originally Posted by Pitboss

Ladies and gentlemen,Nice upgrade to the forum, looks great!Anyway, I've received some news that Ellis is selling my strategy on his site! I am very flattered!Unfortunately shady people exist in this world and I hope that people check here first. As for trying to copywrite and protect my ideas, I don't mind. I know people and people can be very desperate, I mean I've even bought a silverthorn . I just hope that people get the word out about this forum and stay disciplined and win!Shame on you Ellis...Cheers from California,Pitboss-

Hello, pittboss. Can you share your strategy here for everybody.
Thank you.

Originally Posted by nico

Hello, pittboss. Can you share your strategy here for everybody.
Thank you.

lazy fuck, use the search bar. Search for "pitboss"

Originally Posted by Free

lazy fuck, use the search bar. Search for "pitboss"

I have to agree with you Free on this. If someone is so lazy/stupid that they cannot find posting from Pitboss then s/he should not even play this game. For crying out loud, click on Pitboss name and then go to all of his posts. This would take 2 minutes. I had a problem finding a post from 6 months ago but I forgot the name of the author. But at least I tried to search before asking people.

Originally Posted by Pitboss

Ladies and gentlemen,Nice upgrade to the forum, looks great!Anyway, I've received some news that Ellis is selling my strategy on his site! I am very flattered!Unfortunately shady people exist in this world and I hope that people check here first. As for trying to copywrite and protect my ideas, I don't mind. I know people and people can be very desperate, I mean I've even bought a silverthorn . I just hope that people get the word out about this forum and stay disciplined and win!Shame on you Ellis...Cheers from California,Pitboss-

Sorry to hear that. Ellis doesn't make any money playing the game, so he must (steal and) sell systems.

i gave this old shit fuck asswipe the benefit of a doubt that he does have something to offer the baccarat community. now given to the light of this situation, i have to say i am going to make a 360 degree turn. this asswipe needs to die of old age already. this kind of practice is dishonorable and unethical. now i know why many hates him with a passion.

Pitboss strategy :

wait for PP or BB arise.

we take exam with P :

If PP you bet B one unit , if lose ( mean PPP ), you still bet on B but with 2 unit. If still lose ( mean come PPPP ), then you will bet on P only 1 unit follow the P trend. If win you continue bet P still 1 unit , (until P end.)

we see the pattern below : If come .....

PPPP ..you lose only 4 unit maximum.
PPPPP ..your lose become 3 unit.
PPPPPP ...your lose become 2 unit only , and so on...

the key to win is :
1. PP and PPP you will win , or BB and BBB you will win.
2. you bet chop only 1 unit if lose bet chop 2 unit . and then , bet each 1 unit follow trend in the lines 5th, 6th, 7th, ...to the end.

This system can be used to play long-term. If your bankroll is big. If you lose 4 unit , you can raise you bet to 2 unit at first bet in another session , it's mean , you bet 2 unit , lose bet 4 unit , if lose bet each 2 unit follow the trend to the end.

If you use the Bryan's rule combine with Pitboss strategy. what do you think ? the casino will bankrupt. !!! I mean it.

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I copy bryan's rule below :

Bryan's Trigger, Bryan's Pattern, Bryan's list, Bryan's whatever ....

General rule: B(m)P(x)B(n)P(y)B,
m>=2, n>=2; x>0, y>0,
m,n,x,y is the lengths of streak.


When first Banker open, we will decide whether to bet it to go to 2's based on

If m>=2 and n>=2, then Rule A & B apply, else Rule C apply


A) Bet to be 2's
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1) if last hand(B) is B[7]P[6], then no bet
2) if n=3 and y=2, then no bet
3) if m>2 and n=2, then no bet
4) if y>=4 and n=2, not qualify


B) Bet to be 3's and above (when Banker bet wins on 2's)
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1) if m=2 and n=3,4, then bet it to go to 3 (difference between n-m = 1,2, then bet it to go to m+1)
2) if m=2 and n=2,>4, then no bet

3) if m=3 and n=4,5, then bet it to go to 4 (difference between n-m = 1,2, then bet it to go to m+1)
4) if m=3 and n=3,>5, then bet it to go to 3 ONLY


5) if m=4 and n=5,6, then bet it to go to 5 (difference between n-m = 1,2, then bet it to go to m+1)
6) if m=4 and n=4,>6, then bet it to go to 4

C) Bet to be 2's
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example: BB PPP BB PP BBB P B PPP BBB PP B


1) Look back past 5 BANKER, if 80% of the banker have more than 2's, then bet it to go to 2.
i. Past 5 Banker (BB, BB, BBB, B, BBB) > 80%, so bet it to go to 2.

2) Rule A2 and A4 still apply.

i. In this case, no bet as the last is BBB PP B (rule A2)

Pitboss
2S chop,choop,follow fffff
my system is
Fauzybuossz
2s o-1,o-1,f2 f2 f+3 f4 f5 f6.....all win +1
free to steal,free to sell, free to commission $to me if win,if lose $0.if win $8888888 how many 8 up to you

Combination of Pitboss/Bryan

Originally Posted by DiMenosCor

i gave this old shit fuck asswipe the benefit of a doubt that he does have something to offer the baccarat community. now given to the light of this situation, i have to say i am going to make a 360 degree turn. this asswipe needs to die of old age already. this kind of practice is dishonorable and unethical. now i know why many hates him with a passion.

Yep. Unfortueatly Ellis has no quiver in his gut, no moral compass that tells him what is right and wrong. He is the quint essential con man for sure.

Originally Posted by Bryan

Now, the strategy.


Always start from game 4 of the shoe, with 1 unit, bet OPPOSITE LAST DECISION (OLD). So, if game 3 is Banker, you bet player or vice versa.

If that unit win, continue betting OLD with 1 unit till you hit the first lose with OLD.

When you get the the first lose with OLD, bet 2 unit with OLD again. If the 2 unit win, continue betting OLD with 1 unit till you hit the 2nd lost.

When you hit two lost (not consecutive, but, accumulative), we switch the play to FOLLOW LAST DECISION (FLD) in the next game.


Always start with 1 unit bet. We will bet it to be the same as previous. So, if previous game is BANKER, we bet BANKER or vice versa.

We will bet two units with FLD only when the next game we bet is going to be a 2's.
Example:

B
B <---- lose our 2nd OLD here.
P <---- start to bet FLD here (we lost)
P <---- bet 2 unit here as we anticipate it to be 2's


Otherwise, continue betting 1 units with FLD.

When you lost 3 units in a row (consecutive) with FLD, we switch play back to OLD.



Target win 10 units. Once hit 10 units, if the next bet lost and pull you below 10 units, stop.

If you manage to move to 15 units, any next bet that pull you below 15 units, stop.
If you manage to move to 20 units, any next bet that pull you below 20 units, stop.
and so on in range of 5 units.

Stop loss is 10 units.


Now, the above win/lose stop is a guide that I used to played. Different people have different guide. Some people set their stop lost to be higher than win and that is because they are using multiple progression. I am not.

I am not a fan of martingale (1-2-4-8 kinds of progression). If you lost 4 in a row, you need to win 15 single unit to get even. My progression is a 1-2. It depends on getting more rights than wrongs to win.


Next post. Sample shoe.

pp

next bet :

B<---- bet 1 unit old (win). Bank: 1..so last decision is B
p <---- bet 1 unit old (win). Bank: 2
p <---- bet 1 unit old (lost). Bank: 1 last decision is P
B<---- bet 2 unit old (win). Bank: 3........when first lose, raise your bet to 2 unit. If win , return to 1 unit bet.
p <---- bet 1 unit old (win). Bank: 4
p <---- bet 1 unit old. (Lose ) . This is the 2nd lost. Switch play next mean to FLD.
P <---- bet 1 unit fld (always start with 1unit). Bank: 4
p <---- 1 unit fld each (win). Bank: 5
B<---- 1 unit fld (lost). Bank: 4
B---- 2 unit fld ( win ) (this is 2's). Bank: 6
p <---- 1 unit fld (lost). Bank: 5
p <---- 2 unit fld (this is 2's). Bank: 7
p <---- 1 unit fld. Bank: 8
.
.When you lost 3 units in a row (consecutive) with FLD, we switch play back to OLD.
.
And so on.... ( copy from : my Bettting strategy-Entire shoe_ Bryan trid. ) OLD - oposite last decision. FLD - follow last decision

NB: Pitboss method more easy to run. not bet every hand. becos we have to wait for another BB or PP come arise.

Originally Posted by Martingaler

Pitboss strategy :

wait for PP or BB arise.

we take exam with P :

If PP you bet B one unit , if lose ( mean PPP ), you still bet on B but with 2 unit. If still lose ( mean come PPPP ), then you will bet on P only 1 unit follow the P trend. If win you continue bet P still 1 unit , (until P end.)

we see the pattern below : If come .....

PPPP ..you lose only 4 unit maximum.
PPPPP ..your lose become 3 unit.
PPPPPP ...your lose become 2 unit only , and so on...

the key to win is :
1. PP and PPP you will win , or BB and BBB you will win.
2. you bet chop only 1 unit if lose bet chop 2 unit . and then , bet each 1 unit follow trend in the lines 5th, 6th, 7th, ...to the end.

This system can be used to play long-term. If your bankroll is big. If you lose 4 unit , you can raise you bet to 2 unit at first bet in another session , it's mean , you bet 2 unit , lose bet 4 unit , if lose bet each 2 unit follow the trend to the end.

If you use the Bryan's rule combine with Pitboss strategy. what do you think ? the casino will bankrupt. !!! I mean it.

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I copy bryan's rule below :

Thank uou very much Martingaler.

Bad Karma for Mr. Ellis to do this. He Fat! eat to much Pork. Need eat Fish, Chicken take time to walk every day this make his Karma better.
Word is he has differnt Money Management than Mr. Pit Boss any one Know the Money Management Yet!

Originally Posted by Pitboss

Ladies and gentlemen,Nice upgrade to the forum, looks great!Anyway, I've received some news that Ellis is selling my strategy on his site! I am very flattered!Unfortunately shady people exist in this world and I hope that people check here first. As for trying to copywrite and protect my ideas, I don't mind. I know people and people can be very desperate, I mean I've even bought a silverthorn . I just hope that people get the word out about this forum and stay disciplined and win!Shame on you Ellis...Cheers from California,Pitboss-

ALAS..King Elsi finally release a COMPLETE system to his cult following meat puppets..
I'm sure Midas Mav will soon introduce a new revision.
The Goal...well right now he can only entertain with the ideal of a clean metal toilet..

Systems all lose in the long run. This one loses big!!!

Here is an early document Ellis sold called System40, an Advanced System40 method has since been released. Here is a thread about the system, you will notice there is a fair deal of additional information in the thread that never made the Sys40 document, therefore had you paid your hard earned cash for this, you would have needed further info either via a free access to BTC or by paying the $50 monthly subscription.

Betting the "opposite" OLD, or betting AS "Anti-streak" really belongs to nobody, I started off playing AS and posted about it back in 2004 on GG, Redman posted a lot about OLD on the original VIP Lounge site, these styles of play have been used since the advent of casinos.

I've had some interesting results playing my version of pitboss method Wait for BB or PP then bet one unit it jumps if you loose and it goes PPP or BBB then you wait a hand and see if it goes to BBBB or PPPP if it jumped after 3 you lost a unit however it it went to 4 then bet 3 units it jumps if it don't jump you stop betting and lost 4 units .....win goal 4 units stop loss minus 8 units if it did jump after PPPP or BBBB you won 2 units ...........very simple yet effective

I try pitboss method in online game..

P
BBB
P
BB
P
BBBB
PP
B
P
BBBB
P
BB
PP
B
PP
BB
P
B
P
B
P
B
P
BBBBB
P
B
PP
B
PPPP
BBBBBBB
P

Originally Posted by Martingaler

I try pitboss method in online game.. PBBBPBBPBBBBPPBPBBBBPBBPPBPPBBPBPBPBPBBBBBPBPPBPPPPBBBBBBBP

My version had a plus 5 early in the shoe

Yeah, I like pitboss method because it eliminates the 1's. In the meantime I play OLD after a repeat. Works great in shoes that are choppier of course. If the shoe seems streaky it will generally have a shortage of 1's so I either don't bet or switch to FLD. I key off the 1's and if they are hitting regular like I will probably do well.

If the shoe is choppy then I expect the 1's will be breaking it up in little groups and I play a separate progression on the 1's betting for a 1 to go one more.

I don't think it necessary to get into progression to increase unit size by 100%. Increase by 20-50% is enough to win. That way the inevitable recoup bets during losing won't need to be so great. Also when I have won some decent units in a shoe that I deem strong I will pick a few spots to increase my bet. If lose these larger bets I will tend to just quit the shoe with small win.

Archer

Originally Posted by Archer

I play OLD after a repeat. Works great in shoes that are choppier of course. If the shoe seems streaky it will generally have a shortage of 1's so I either don't bet or switch to FLD. I key off the 1's

It bites when you repeatedly get caught in any switch. However if you're switching between FLD & OLD, you probably realise two's more or less provide the same outcome, but in reverse WL or LW. So rather than key off the 1's, have you considered setting the 3rd hole as the marker to which to key off, i.e consecutively populated, switch FLD (either at the end of the streak or via jumping on the streak), otherwise continue to bet OLD. If your progression is in order, getting caught by a few "guessed" wrong switches should not make that much impact.

Yeah, it's assholes like you FREE that chase people away from this forum.

Originally Posted by biggong

Systems all lose in the long run. This one loses big!!!

Finally! Someone who agrees with me on this! The only way possible that i found to make it work is wait for a choppy cluster like: pp b pp bb ppp....something like that, and then hit it one time. But if you start from the start of a shoe and play it every single repeat...you're doomed.

Originally Posted by df1969

Yeah, it's assholes like you FREE that chase people away from this forum.

What? You defending Ellis dick fuck? Are you finally betting with real money or are you still stoking yourself under the table as you win millions of "fun" dollars.

Originally Posted by Free

What? You defending Ellis dick fuck? Are you finally betting with real money or are you still stoking yourself under the table as you win millions of "fun" dollars.

This is what I was referring to:

Originally Posted by Free
lazy fuck, use the search bar. Search for "pitboss"

And I'm a better bac player than you'll ever be, and I'm only about 6 months into it....idiot.

They need to boot the negative people like you off this forum.

Originally Posted by df1969

Yeah, it's assholes like you FREE that chase people away from this forum.

Nothing wrong with FREE, he tells it like it is, takes no prisoners. Too many idiots posting bull on this board lately, too many dream merchants who haven't been inside a casino for longer than 10 minutes, too many lazy arses all wanting to be spoon fed, thinking the money is there waiting to be had, when 97% of gamblers only find sorrow and misery. FREE is the reality check, if you can't handle FREE, wait until the crew in the pit get hold of you and show no sympathy for the butterflies in the pit of your stomach. If what you post is shit and you have you feelings hurt, he'll let you know, sure beats the hell out of making another donation a corporate conglomerate.

And I'm a better bac player than you'll ever be, and I'm only about 6 months into it

Wow Baccarat is now a personal contest, don't be so fuking daft. While your at it, "grow a thicker skin".

Originally Posted by Egalite

Nothing wrong with FREE, he tells it like it is, takes no prisoners. Too many idiots posting bull on this board lately, too many dream merchants who haven't been inside a casino for longer than 10 minutes, too many lazy arses all wanting to be spoon fed, thinking the money is there wanting to be had, when 97% of gamblers only find sorrow and misery. FREE is the reality check, if you can't handle FREE, wait until the crew in the pit get hold of you and show no sympathy for the butterflies in the pit of your stomach. If what you post is shit and you have you feelings hurt, he'll let you know, sure beats the hell out of making another donation a corporate conglomerate.

While your at it, "grow a thicker skin".

I have a think skin.

I just don't think it should be allowed to cuss at other members. You boys act like children.

Oh and here's something you wrote "the cards don't know what is expected of them" (or something like that) Sounds like you don't controlthe table...the cards control you ha ha.

And let's get back to "toy money"...........what kind of bet do you want to make...you never answered......the bet is that you can't make 80,000 (yeah it's 80,000 now) in 1 month for "toy money"........our bet of course would be real. You'll decline of course....

Anyway, my main point is that members shouldn't be cussed at regardless the disagreement.

I've no time for childish games involving toy money, I play regularly risking real money, so why would I want to engage you in your fantasy?

"The cards control me", ha ha ha, are you old enough to be here.

Originally Posted by Egalite

I've no time for childish games involving toy money, I play regularly risking real money, so why would I want to engage you in your fantasy?

"The cards control me", ha ha ha, are you old enough to be here.

Yeah that's what I thought.

Conversation end -

Originally Posted by Egalite

It bites when you repeatedly get caught in any switch. However if you're switching between FLD & OLD, you probably realise two's more or less provide the same outcome, but in reverse WL or LW. So rather than key off the 1's, have you considered setting the 3rd hole as the marker to which to key off, i.e consecutively populated, switch FLD (either at the end of the streak or via jumping on the streak), otherwise continue to bet OLD. If your progression is in order, getting caught by a few "guessed" wrong switches should not make that much impact.

Could do but my totally unfounded theory is that the 1's, being the most prevalent run, when "normal" are what makes a shoe choppy by breaking the repeats up. Kind of unusual but not impossible but shoes with average 1's don't have a lot of long runs. But . . . a guess is a guess so . . .

Archer