Thread: "The Goods"

Pardon the use of the rather "dated" expression; but here's some Baccarat reality (read: "The Goods"), as I see it:

Baccarat is an EC (read: even chance) game. Each and every bet remains nothing more than simply a 50/50 proposition (roughly, less vig). So how do we decide to devise a stategy, if, in fact, each play is a "coin toss"? What sort of bet selection will suffice?

The answer: In any EC game, one MUST play for the "consecutive wins". For, in any EC game, at some point or another, one side will "dominate" over the other, meaning there will be a grouping, or a "clustering", of wins, either consecutive or interspersed by only one or two losses.

Some may call this "streak" betting, and, while that's surely a part of it, there's just so much more to it all than that:

PPP B PPP B.....impending Player "domination" (a series of Player wins interupted only by single Bank wins)

B P B P BB......impending Banker "opposite run", where one side that was "singling" now looks to "break out" into a "run" (read: "streak")

PP BBB PP B PPP...a "new top", where the Player side was previously stopping their runs at 2, but know hit a "new top" of 3 in-a-row; impending long Player "break-out" streak

P B P B.....the "straight chop" streak, or "horizontal streak", or ZZ (zigzag), also good for consecutive wins

PP BB PPP B P...the Player side is "ripe" for the "two-hole" play, especially good in a shoe that might not be streaking as much as we'd like, but is hitting the "2-hole" consistently (maybe even the "3-hole" as well) Note: these are unlike streak or "dom" bets in that they are "hit and down" bets, not "let it ride" bets, but still effective even in the more 'choppier" portions of the shoe.

These plays produce "clusters" of wins, and, if you're going to play this EC game, you MUST collect on these opportunities. Why?

Because, combined with any slight positive progression (I'll get to an easy one in a minute...read on), you'll make some good profits in a very short time. Perfect for recoup and/or profit.

Ever hear the expression: The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. ? Well, it's very true in Baccarat, where any long vertical line on your scorecard (or even horizontal in the case of the straight chop) is the quickest way to the cashier's window. Hit those winning clusters and hit your win goal.

MM? How about playing one unit at a time, but, after any win, increase to two units. Remain at the two-unit level until any loss, then "rinse and repeat", betting one unit until the next win, then go to teo units and remain there until a loss. Any losing streak is a unit apiece. But every weinning streak is at two units. Simple, efficient, effective; especially with the bet selections I referenced earlier in this post.

OK, gr8, sounds wonderful, but what do I do in the "choppier" shoes?:

You WAIT. You bide your time. You "no-bet". Know this, my friends:

The ability to await the correct table conditions before betting is all that separates the amatuers from the pros.

It's your money. It's your decision how to "spend it" (read: how to bet it). You go to the store to buy bread, do you bring home oranges? Know, you go to the bread aisle, right? Well, same at Bac. You buy in for your session BR, and that money is to be used for YOUR PLAYS ONLY. No baloney. Just the PRIME CUTS, please. It's your money.

No, not all bets are created equal. Certain plays "beget" other plays when they win. Look, you bet an "opposite run" as outlined above; when you hit the first bet or two, this impending streak is gathering "momentum". Ride that train for all it's worth, my friends. I promise you, you'll lose but one bet, and that's when the streak ends. The wins in-between....that's the profit.

I prefer plays that "point out" the next play. In this way, I'm hunting for clusters of wins.

Does it work every time? Nope, sorry.

But, do I win more than I lose, dollar-wise? Yes, thank you.

But they don't just hand it to me. I need to carry with me at all times, my:

Patience. Wait it out, my friends. You're playing a game of "chicken" with your money, right there. I prefer to make the table move, than for me to do the moving (read: betting needlessly or recklessly). When the table is dispensing the results I'm looking for, then I'm betting.

Discipline. Play a consistent game, my friends. Stick to your game plan, with a good, conservative MM plan and a proven bet selection that'll get you to your win goals as efficiently as possible. Stay the course in the difficult times, not changing your plan, rather accept some "short as possible" losses, knowing you'll make it back sooner rather than later. If only you can maintain your discipline.

Strict Goals. Hit it then quit it. Learning to lose is as important as learning to win. Think long term. Can you come out ahead (read: win) over the long term? If you can't answer in the affirmative, you'd be better off to take up golf as a hobby. Much cheaper.

"The Goods"....

Taking the very best possible advantage of the short-term (read: THIS SHOE) variances in this game, where one side dominates the other. Happens all the time. Are you in?

[QUOTE=gr8player;43329]Pardon the use of the rather "dated" expression; but here's some Baccarat reality (read: "The Goods"), as I see it: Baccarat is an EC (read: even chance) game. Each and every bet remains nothing more than simply a 50/50 proposition (roughly, less vig). So how do we decide to devise a stategy, if, in fact, each play is a "coin toss"? What sort of bet selection will suffice? The answer: In any EC game, one MUST play for the "consecutive wins". For, in any EC game, at some point or another, one side will "dominate" over the other, meaning there will be a grouping, or a "clustering", of wins, either consecutive or interspersed by only one or two losses. Some may call this "streak" betting, and, while that's surely a part of it, there's just so much more to it all than that: PPP B PPP B.....impending Player "domination" (a series of Player wins interupted only by single Bank wins) B P B P BB......impending Banker "opposite run", where one side that was "singling" now looks to "break out" into a "run" (read: "streak") PP BBB PP B PPP...a "new top", where the Player side was previously stopping their runs at 2, but know hit a "new top" of 3 in-a-row; impending long Player "break-out" streak Not random as coin toss,but the cards are setting in 8decks.the dealer change the card not change.the owner know chop or streak by laser of card machine.they can choose chopy,streaky .coin toss is primitive way

Thank you for sharing, gr8player.

You're still one of the best players around.

The 3 main advantages the player has in bac are :

1. The ability to not bet hands
2. The ability to raise your bets without getting barred from the casino
3. The ability to write things down on a scorecard

Try doing these three things in blackjack ( or even roulette ) and see how fast they will boot you out if your start winning.

Most good advice given on bac on this forum revolve around these 3 advantages.

In the above post, I said "player"....which may be confusing.....by player, I meant the person making the bets,.......which is me and you.

Gr8!

as always, thanks for sharing! it is much appreciated

Thanks for the great post Gr8!

Very useful information

Originally Posted by gr8player

Pardon the use of the rather "dated" expression; but here's some Baccarat reality (read: "The Goods"), as I see it:

Baccarat is an EC (read: even chance) game. Each and every bet remains nothing more than simply a 50/50 proposition (roughly, less vig). So how do we decide to devise a stategy, if, in fact, each play is a "coin toss"? What sort of bet selection will suffice?

The answer: In any EC game, one MUST play for the "consecutive wins". For, in any EC game, at some point or another, one side will "dominate" over the other, meaning there will be a grouping, or a "clustering", of wins, either consecutive or interspersed by only one or two losses.

Some may call this "streak" betting, and, while that's surely a part of it, there's just so much more to it all than that:

PPP B PPP B.....impending Player "domination" (a series of Player wins interupted only by single Bank wins)

B P B P BB......impending Banker "opposite run", where one side that was "singling" now looks to "break out" into a "run" (read: "streak")

PP BBB PP B PPP...a "new top", where the Player side was previously stopping their runs at 2, but know hit a "new top" of 3 in-a-row; impending long Player "break-out" streak

P B P B.....the "straight chop" streak, or "horizontal streak", or ZZ (zigzag), also good for consecutive wins

PP BB PPP B P...the Player side is "ripe" for the "two-hole" play, especially good in a shoe that might not be streaking as much as we'd like, but is hitting the "2-hole" consistently (maybe even the "3-hole" as well) Note: these are unlike streak or "dom" bets in that they are "hit and down" bets, not "let it ride" bets, but still effective even in the more 'choppier" portions of the shoe.

These plays produce "clusters" of wins, and, if you're going to play this EC game, you MUST collect on these opportunities. Why?

Because, combined with any slight positive progression (I'll get to an easy one in a minute...read on), you'll make some good profits in a very short time. Perfect for recoup and/or profit.

Ever hear the expression: The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. ? Well, it's very true in Baccarat, where any long vertical line on your scorecard (or even horizontal in the case of the straight chop) is the quickest way to the cashier's window. Hit those winning clusters and hit your win goal.

MM? How about playing one unit at a time, but, after any win, increase to two units. Remain at the two-unit level until any loss, then "rinse and repeat", betting one unit until the next win, then go to teo units and remain there until a loss. Any losing streak is a unit apiece. But every weinning streak is at two units. Simple, efficient, effective; especially with the bet selections I referenced earlier in this post.

OK, gr8, sounds wonderful, but what do I do in the "choppier" shoes?:

You WAIT. You bide your time. You "no-bet". Know this, my friends:

The ability to await the correct table conditions before betting is all that separates the amatuers from the pros.

It's your money. It's your decision how to "spend it" (read: how to bet it). You go to the store to buy bread, do you bring home oranges? Know, you go to the bread aisle, right? Well, same at Bac. You buy in for your session BR, and that money is to be used for YOUR PLAYS ONLY. No baloney. Just the PRIME CUTS, please. It's your money.

No, not all bets are created equal. Certain plays "beget" other plays when they win. Look, you bet an "opposite run" as outlined above; when you hit the first bet or two, this impending streak is gathering "momentum". Ride that train for all it's worth, my friends. I promise you, you'll lose but one bet, and that's when the streak ends. The wins in-between....that's the profit.

I prefer plays that "point out" the next play. In this way, I'm hunting for clusters of wins.

Does it work every time? Nope, sorry.

But, do I win more than I lose, dollar-wise? Yes, thank you.

But they don't just hand it to me. I need to carry with me at all times, my:

Patience. Wait it out, my friends. You're playing a game of "chicken" with your money, right there. I prefer to make the table move, than for me to do the moving (read: betting needlessly or recklessly). When the table is dispensing the results I'm looking for, then I'm betting.

Discipline. Play a consistent game, my friends. Stick to your game plan, with a good, conservative MM plan and a proven bet selection that'll get you to your win goals as efficiently as possible. Stay the course in the difficult times, not changing your plan, rather accept some "short as possible" losses, knowing you'll make it back sooner rather than later. If only you can maintain your discipline.

Strict Goals. Hit it then quit it. Learning to lose is as important as learning to win. Think long term. Can you come out ahead (read: win) over the long term? If you can't answer in the affirmative, you'd be better off to take up golf as a hobby. Much cheaper.

"The Goods"....

Taking the very best possible advantage of the short-term (read: THIS SHOE) variances in this game, where one side dominates the other. Happens all the time. Are you in?

This is true and real advice, folks, and it does not cost us a dime. GR8- we thank you for your advice!

Hi gr8player,

Thank you for sharing your insight on this game.

Cheers
kenji

Thank you, fellas, for taking the time to express your supporting and encouraging replies. It's always nice to hear.

Back to the business at hand.....

1.) Don't dismiss that MM tip I provided in this thread. It has us losing 1 unit on the loss streaks while winning 2 units on our winning streaks. And, let's not forget, these plays are "designed" to capture winning "clusters"/streaks. Simple yet effective, IMHO.

2.) While I've pointed out some trends that I utilize in my Bac play, please understand that as important as it is to recognize these impending "doms" as they begin to develope, it is equally inportant to be able to recognize those times when these "doms" are not materializing:

BB PPP B P BB PP.....I"m sure we all recognize this. Rather choppy results, right? Well, I've trained myself to readily recognize this as well as I recognize the "doms". Difference is....while I'll bet for the impending "doms", I'll "no-bet" these choppy "garbage" results. Knowing what you lose to is just as vital as knowing what you win with; the only thing more vital than that is KNOWING HOW TO HANDLE EACH.

Remember your Patience and your Discipline, don't leave home without it.

Gr8 bet placement reminds me a little of the old BPR (Baccarat Pattern Recognition). I'd still like to get my hands on it again - lost it with an older computer some time ago. I guess these trend predictors are better than making random bets though tests have not shown that. The bet placement is an interesting twist on up as you win because it includes up as you lose as well. The prediction is that we will lose more hands long run than win. Otherwise we need not raise our bets at all!

Catching those inevitable winning sections with bets that are larger than the losing ones is a must to gain a profit. IMO, once we raise our bet we will then be in a recovery situation, right? How do we get out of a deep hole? Egalite's examples are studies of how to do this and I think have a lot of merit.

Therapy 101 stated somewhere that his bet selection was a pretty strong 50-50 proposition. Staying close to that in a short series seems to be the way to keep the bets low. If you can do that you got it made! But I can't help thinking that at some point we will come up against difficulties which will wipe out most if not all of our profits. In such cases we will need to go deep.

Archer

Archer, thank you for your reply. I'm sorry that I can't be of any help to you regarding BPR, for I know nothing of it.

But, "trend predictors", Archer? I'm of the opinion that they, much like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder. Each of us must determine, based on our approach to this game, both mentally and bankroll-wise, those "trend predictors" that work best for themselves.

As to your: >But I can't help thinking that at some point we will come up against difficulties which will wipe out most if not all of our profits. In such cases we need to go deep.<

Those "difficulties", which are inevitable, my friend, become manageable, or not, based upon our individual approaches to this game, especially on a session-to-session basis. These difficult times are what will, eventually, define our individual suucess (or, for that matter, failure).

I am sure, Archer, that we both agree about the "fickleness" of this game and our bet selections. Baccarat life can be a bitch. But, that said, doesn't it assist us tremendously in that we KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE? And we can (and should) be prepared for it.

Frankly, that's why I prefer these trends. Recoup at a higher unit value will do wonders given a good bit of a "dom" and or streak (vertical or horizontal). You know it's coming and you know how to recognize it and you've got a decent plan as to how to bet it and, ultimately, profit from it.

Nice to see you posting again, A.

Originally Posted by gr8player

Archer, thank you for your reply. I'm sorry that I can't be of any help to you regarding BPR, for I know nothing of it.

But, "trend predictors", Archer? I'm of the opinion that they, much like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder. Each of us must determine, based on our approach to this game, both mentally and bankroll-wise, those "trend predictors" that work best for themselves.

As to your: >But I can't help thinking that at some point we will come up against difficulties which will wipe out most if not all of our profits. In such cases we need to go deep.<

Those "difficulties", which are inevitable, my friend, become manageable, or not, based upon our individual approaches to this game, especially on a session-to-session basis. These difficult times are what will, eventually, define our individual suucess (or, for that matter, failure).

I am sure, Archer, that we both agree about the "fickleness" of this game and our bet selections. Baccarat life can be a bitch. But, that said, doesn't it assist us tremendously in that we KNOW THAT IN ADVANCE? And we can (and should) be prepared for it.

Frankly, that's why I prefer these trends. Recoup at a higher unit value will do wonders given a good bit of a "dom" and or streak (vertical or horizontal). You know it's coming and you know how to recognize it and you've got a decent plan as to how to bet it and, ultimately, profit from it.

Nice to see you posting again, A.

Thanks, I don't play much, if at all, this time of year and it is always good to get away from the thought process to get a fresh look.

I agree about choosing trends - there are many to focus on. One thing I find interesting is that all the testing I have seen so far on live and simulated shoes show that ALL bet placements produce the same results statistically speaking. For example: OLD performs the same as FLD, etc. Therefore one would assume that trend betting could do no worse AND may very well do better during shoes that conform. Make sense? So, define your trend, wait for it, bet it. In a 50-50 game you should be able to make out with proper discipline, betting, and MM.

There are a couple of ways I like to play. Frankly, sometimes too much thinking or experimenting can hurt rather than help. One favorite way is to simply monitor or "key" off the 1's in a row. I don't like to see a long streak of 1's but like to see them begin to break up the shoe in a uniform manner. In such a shoe I "expect" to see normal 2's and 3's and win playing OLD. On the other hand when 1's are scarce then I expect to win with FLD. Another way is to eliminate the 1's altogether. To do this I wait for a repeat and play FLD or OLD depending again on the 1's. Scarce 1's FLD; abundant 1's OLD. Either way I would like to see shoes or parts of shoes favoring the trends in a strong way.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

Therapy 101 stated somewhere that his bet selection was a pretty strong 50-50 proposition. Staying close to that in a short series seems to be the way to keep the bets low. If you can do that you got it made! But I can't help thinking that at some point we will come up against difficulties which will wipe out most if not all of our profits. In such cases we will need to go deep.

Archer

No. This type of thinking will eventually get you in a hole you can't escape from. Remember, just because you've lost X bets in a row, or the last X series of bets and are going to bet up doesn't mean you have a higher expatiation of winning those bigger bets.

Don't chase your losses with bigger losses, rather learn to grind your way back from a losing shoe.

If you find yourself out of sync with what this particular shoe is doing then either make an attempt to change your thinking on the fly or get out. Wait for a different shoe that will be more predictable, or at least more toward your style of bet selection.

this is a very good thread! lets just hope we dont get the trolls and highjackers start fighting and arguing endlessly on this thread...

No worries, Grassshopper; that's already been "taken care of".

Archer, thanks for adding your keen trending insights. It's in the "natural course of business" for any trender to "track" the one's, because so many of our plays are "keyed" off of them. My "recurring single", "horizontal chop" (read: zigzag), "opposite run", and, my favorite, the "dom" ALL are keyed off of singles. Thanks for adding yours.

Archer: >Either way I would like to see shoes or parts of shoes favoring the trends in a strong way.<

It's only a matter of when, my friend, only a matter of when. These trends are real and they are definitely worth the wait. Those that believe otherwise are players who aren't patient nor disciplined enough to be real trenders. Real trenders KNOW what's coming and will bet accordingly. They will also "no-bet" accordingly in those "in-between" times.

But the "key" with trending is this: trenders don't waiver. They don't change their strategy just because they lost a session or two. And that's so important, IMHO. Because, in this way, one's "variance" will "kick in" and the trender that's been getting the "short end of the stick" in the recent past will be "riding high" in the near term. (That's not "Gambler's Fallacy"; it's a trending PLAN that is nourished with Patience and Discipline and Conservative MM and, most importantly, a Consistent Bet Selection process.)

Free, thanks for your contribution. I agree about the "grind" of it all. The very essence of a real trender's life is the grind. The wait. The pounce.

But, in the mean time, your: >Wait for a different shoe that will be more predictable, or at least more toward your style of bet selection.< is absolutely "spot on", and ALL that separates those that CAN do this successfully and those that CAN'T.

The discipline part is what kills people all the time, especially when one loses a bet or two or three consecutive ones. Your position goes from profit to losses.

This is where gamblers lose their patience and start chasing losses. You forget all about the trends and start to make wild guesses and follow the herd. You start to feel luck is slipping away when your natural 8 loses to a natural 9. The hole in your BR then gets bigger and bigger. I think we have all been through that!

The walking OUT is just as important as the walking IN to the casino. Knowing when to cut loss and bite your tongue and go is critical. It preserves your capital and sanity to re-examine the day and then make corrections for the next trading session.

JerrySignfeld, thank you for your contribution. Keen insights.

JerrySignfeld: >The discipline part is what kills people all the time.....<

Yep.

I've devoted full threads on that very topic itself, Discipline. In fact, discipline while gaming is so vital to one's overall success, I'll let you in on a little-known (other than in AC) secret about myself:

To this very day, I carry "reminder cards" with me to each and every session. And, on each one of them there is some sort verbiage relating to Maintaining Discipline. Every once in a while, when things get a bit more difficult than normal, I'll take a glance at those cards, just as a simple and easy (yet, effective) means of reinforcement. (Yeah, I know, probably sounds as bit funny....over 25 years of Bac and still the need for my reinforcement....but this is, after all is said and done, gambling, and some strange things can happen in the heat of the moment. Strange and costly things, that I simply will not allow.)

So, Jerry, whenever someone so much as mentions discipline in their post(s), it tells me alot, ALOT, about the author. Good job, my friend.

Originally Posted by gr8player

JerrySignfeld, thank you for your contribution. Keen insights.

JerrySignfeld: >The discipline part is what kills people all the time.....<

Yep.

I've devoted full threads on that very topic itself, Discipline. In fact, discipline while gaming is so vital to one's overall success, I'll let you in on a little-known (other than in AC) secret about myself:

To this very day, I carry "reminder cards" with me to each and every session. And, on each one of them there is some sort verbiage relating to Maintaining Discipline. Every once in a while, when things get a bit more difficult than normal, I'll take a glance at those cards, just as a simple and easy (yet, effective) means of reinforcement. (Yeah, I know, probably sounds as bit funny....over 25 years of Bac and still the need for my reinforcement....but this is, after all is said and done, gambling, and some strange things can happen in the heat of the moment. Strange and costly things, that I simply will not allow.)

So, Jerry, whenever someone so much as mentions discipline in their post(s), it tells me alot, ALOT, about the author. Good job, my friend.

That's such a fantastic idea! I think I will get the cards as well, and then look at them through out the session to remind myself the few basics discussed here.

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Archer

Thanks, I don't play much, if at all, this time of year and it is always good to get away from the thought process to get a fresh look.

I agree about choosing trends - there are many to focus on. One thing I find interesting is that all the testing I have seen so far on live and simulated shoes show that ALL bet placements produce the same results statistically speaking yes.!!1 For example: OLD performs the same as FLD, etc. Therefore one would assume that trend betting could do no worse AND may very well do better during shoes that conform. Make sense? So, define your trend, wait for it, bet it. In a 50-50 game you should be able to make out with proper discipline, betting, and MM.

There are a couple of ways I like to play. Frankly, sometimes too much thinking or experimenting can hurt rather than help. One favorite way is to simply monitor or "key" off the 1's in a row. I don't like to see a long streak of 1's but like to see them begin to break up the shoe in a uniform manner. In such a shoe I "expect" to see normal 2's and 3's and win playing OLD. On the other hand when 1's are scarce then I expect to win with FLD. Another way is to eliminate the 1's altogether. To do this I wait for a repeat and play FLD or OLD depending again on the 1's. Scarce 1's FLD; abundant 1's OLD. Either way I would like to see shoes or parts of shoes favoring the trends in a strong way.

A

I played 3 trends all together in 1 betting,and make me too confidence to bet .the trend makes disaster !

there is good MM ,if you see p occur you bet B 1u,occur B bet B +1u 2s.3s.4s.5s.6s... 9s =9u
P 1s2s =-1-1+1=-1u
b 2s =+1+2-3=0u
B3s =1 +2+3 -4=+2
this MM you will meet Good day ...streak 10s !wow! it's no matter too confidence when bet 10u ,you play casino's $

choppier shoe ......imidiately leave that table.
How you indicate choppier shoe?
answer : they wipe your first beting in 3 to 4 time straightly(imidiately leave the table !!!! dont wait)
Paulus

Originally Posted by Paulus

choppier shoe ......imidiately leave that table.
How you indicate choppier shoe?
answer : they wipe your first beting in 3 to 4 time straightly(imidiately leave the table !!!! dont wait)
Paulus

Today I witness a different streak :

BBBBBB then PBPBPBPBPBPBPB

I only benefitted from the first set of bankers, but later was stunned by the ping-pong without betting any.

How to go from FLD to OLD ? Gr8player, would you have ventured into this?

Originally Posted by JerrySignfeld

Today I witness a different streak :

BBBBBB then PBPBPBPBPBPBPB

I only benefitted from the first set of bankers, but later was stunned by the ping-pong without betting any.

How to go from FLD to OLD ? Gr8player, would you have ventured into this?

As I am a follower of Gr8 I would say he says NO-BET strong position you can take its all about the discipline we control that over the casino , they cant tell us when to bet,thats our player advantage as opposed to house advantage many players dont realize this

G711

Originally Posted by Paulus

choppier shoe ......imidiately leave that table.

P B P B.....the "straight chop" streak, or "horizontal streak", or ZZ (zigzag), also good for consecutive wins.

Punvit, absolutely correct, I would bet for this "straight chop", for this "horizontal streak" is just as playable as any "vertical streak" (re: PPPPPP...). Nice catch, my friend.

Gerard711, good job, man! You, obviously, get it. Discipline is a major part of our Player's Edges:

We can bet when and where we choose, as well as "no-bet".
We can bet any amount we choose, raising or lowering our unit values to correspond with our "methodology".
We can continue and/or end any session at our own win goal/stop loss point(s).

G711, Patience, Discipline, Conservative MM combined with "realistic" and "manageable" win goals/stop losses; and a consistent Bet Selection.....and you're "one tough out" for ANY casino. Good job, my friend.

Paulus, good insight. If they're "scooping up your chips" on every bet you're making, walking is as good a choice as any at that point. Good point. (Sidenote: I, myself, would probably "no-bet" and await a "virtual win" before commencing with any real betting, and see how it goes after that to determine any continuance and/or end to this session.) Still, a nice job there, Paulus, for it never hurts to err on the side of caution, especially if that's your personal comfort level (re: 3 or 4 losses and out).

Fauzy, my friend, how are you? It's always nice to hear from you, and I thank you for your contribution.

JerrySignfeld, anytime, man. Those cards have served me well over the years. Repetitive? Yep, I'm sure I know them by memory by now. Still, in those difficult times (and, be assured, there will always be some difficult times), there's something about seing the "written words" of it all that enforces their importance.

Hi Jerrysignfeld,Punvit,Fauzy ,
Very happy to join with yours to discussion & share opipinion/experience in Baccaarat game.

Jerrysignfeld if u win on BBBBBB vertical line and shoe changing to horizontal streak?some people say u still can follow the horizontal tren(BPBPBPBPBP) u still can have consecutive win.
I suggest u keep your winning and go to the window of cashier to cash your win.
May I ask u 1 question can a captain flight 2 aeroplane in the same time ?
Dicipline i key of success.
Avoid emossion(hot) in gambling what ever happen natural 8 wipe by natural 9 !!!!
Bregards,
Paulus

2 pilots in an airplane,why not ?.1 is co-pilot.

bp=-1b p=-1bpbp
bb
p =0u bbp/2s

b1b2b3 bbbp/3s
p-4= +2u

b1b2b3b4 bbbbp/4s
p-5= +5
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
p = +?Booming
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p = booming, who say gambling can make your poor

Salam Fauzy,

If you are in fit and fresh u can follow vertical streak and continue to follow the suddenly change to horizontal streak
Excuse me ,beetween the time streak changing how many unit the table wipe u???
Breagards,
Paulus

Hi gr8player,

Thank you for posting! I like this MM better than 7 Series you posted couple of months ago.

What's your recommendation for bank roll, stop lost for a shoe or a session with this MM?

Thank you in advance...

Kavan

Kavan, thank you for your response.

One would select their preferred MM plan based on their bet selection's variances and win/loss streaks. My Gr8Player's Progression (or, as you put it, "7-series") serves certain purposes, while the MM I posted here in this thread serves another; depends on bet selection averages and your intended results.

As to your questions above, here's what I do when utliizing my 1 - 2 progression posted herein:

Session Bank-roll, or "buy-in": 20 units
Shoe Stop Loss: 10 units
Session Stop Loss: 20 units

A few more of my "parameters":

Win Goal: Over 10 units
Whenever I'm down more than 6 units, I'll accept any win.
Whenever I'm down more than 10 units, I'll accept "even", or as close as I can get to "even".
After any lost session, I will increase my unit size for the next session, percentage-wise, depending on loss amount of prior session. At recoup, it's back to base bet.

I trust this will aide you.