Post Your Shoes: See How this System Performs

[sevenshooter]

All he is doing is betting player. Betting up when he thinks player will streak,(after 2 players) and using a delayed steep progression after any 2 losing player wagers...or close to that. Good way to throw your money away.

Right and wrong. Yes, I was just betting Player. I chose to bet only the underdog to show the strength of this system.
Had I actually been playing, I would bet Banker in an EZ Baccarat game (no commission, less house advantage).
Based on how this performed from the selected shoes (+1200 units), I cannot agree with your statement that this is a "good way to throw your money away".
In fact, I would expect this system to beat both Zummas easily.

Progression:

1,1,2
2,2,4
4,4,8
8,8,16
16,16,35
35,35,75
75,75,150
150,150,300...

This progression beats just about every streak combination and handles multiple consecutive losses rather well.
Played to infinity, I'd venture to say it's unbeatable. Further still, FLD, or Avant-Dernier may even bring better results. Let me know.

[Free]

??? Baccarat offers us unique advantages as a table game since we are permitted to bet right up to the table maximum in each seat. Two hands of $500 plus one of $200 is not unreasonable, is it? .

You don't play baccarat, do you. I can tell. You are not permitted to bet on any other seat positions at the table, besides your own, even if they are unoccupied. There isn't a casino anywhere that would let you bypass their table limits like that. What the fuck are you smoking? Can I have some?

And just for hell of it because I like the insanity, where do you play baccarat for $1 a hand? That's what you are implying with your progression amount of $1200....Answer, no where. Except in your little fairy land of make believe. Your made up baccarat rules and table conditions don't exist anywhere. So again, please stop with this shit. Learn to play within the confines of the game as it exists in the real world and stop posting this complete made up bullshit.

[Therapy101]

You don't play baccarat, do you. I can tell. You are not permitted to bet on any other seat positions at the table, besides your own, even if they are unoccupied. There isn't a casino anywhere that would let you bypass their table limits like that. What the fuck are you smoking? Can I have some?

And just for hell of it because I like the insanity, where do you play baccarat for $1 a hand? That's what you are implying with your progression amount of $1200....Answer, no where. Except in your little fairy land of make believe. Your made up baccarat rules and table conditions don't exist anywhere. So again, please stop with this shit. Learn to play within the confines of the game as it exists in the real world and stop posting this complete made up bullshit.

Free: He is correct. Couldn't believe it myself but, he is right. My Casino allows a player to bet the limit ($500.00) on every hand on the table, occupied or not. T101

[sevenshooter]

You don't play baccarat, do you. I can tell. You are not permitted to bet on any other seat positions at the table, besides your own, even if they are unoccupied. There isn't a casino anywhere that would let you bypass their table limits like that. What the fuck are you smoking? Can I have some?

And just for hell of it because I like the insanity, where do you play baccarat for $1 a hand? That's what you are implying with your progression amount of $1200....Answer, no where. Except in your little fairy land of make believe. Your made up baccarat rules and table conditions don't exist anywhere. So again, please stop with this shit. Learn to play within the confines of the game as it exists in the real world and stop posting this complete made up bullshit.

Moderator: Please flag this member for trolling and profanity.

Free: Instead of trashing the work of others, won't you enlighten us with your knowledge of better, more sophisticated methods of Bac play?

Also, since you seem to be an authority on the subject, could you please answer the following simple questions:

1) What are the odds of Player showing seven consecutive times in a row? What is the probability that it will go to eight?
2) If Banker appears 36 times and Player 5, which should we bet on?
3) With which progression do you have the strongest chance of doubling your session stake?
4) Statistically, how often per shoe do three-streaks occur?
5) Other than yourself, who was reputed to be the greatest Baccarat player of the 20th Century?
6) Without Googling, explain in layman's terms the Kelly Criterion; Parrando's Paradox; the Gambler's Fallacy.
7) Identify three specific situations in the casino that give the gambler an actual edge over the house (generic responses such as "counting cards", and "poker" do not qualify).
8) Tell us how to calculate implied odds in Poker; what's the HA of the Hard 6 bet in Craps; what are the true odds of # 14 showing in Roulette?

[sevenshooter]

And just for hell of it because I like the insanity, where do you play baccarat for $1 a hand?

I could tell you how to get a spread of 1 - 4000 on just about any Baccarat table, but I think I'll keep that answer to myself.

[Egalite]

I could tell you how to get a spread of 1 - 4000 on just about any Baccarat table, but I think I'll keep that answer to myself.

Please do. It's threads like this that make this board a joke. Posts from a clueless for the clueless. Go to garnabby's board they are plenty of novices over there, you might even get admin status.

[Free]

Please do. It's threads like this that make this board a joke. Posts from a clueless for the clueless. Go to garnabby's board they are plenty of novices over there, you might even get admin status.

Do you think maybe that this wacko might be turbogenius in disguise? This guy makes Senlung sound rational.
This is so out there, it can't be serious. Right? This is a big joke on us. Has to be.

[sevenshooter]

Do you think maybe that this wacko might be turbogenius in disguise? This guy makes Senlung sound rational.
This is so out there, it can't be serious. Right? This is a big joke on us. Has to be.

As advantage gamblers, our task is to figure out how to get the upper hand in any given situation.
This particular situation, i.e. how best to deal with ignorant, profane attacks by those who (for whatever reason) attempt to subvert the integrity of our forum, is a no-brainer (excuse the pun). Simply follow my lead by refusing to acknowledge their posts. It is very clear they are not here to contribute intellectually in any way, so then what good are they? I say let these attention-starved trolls go hungry. Eventually, they will go away. Now let's direct our focus toward higher pursuits. Post Script: Free, you were not even aware that Bac players can bet up to the table max per square. I mean, this is very common knowledge. Moreover, when you charge me with a lack of knowledge about the game, you only make yourself appear all the more foolish. You're swimming with sharks: get out of the water.

[sevenshooter]

Wizard of Odds Shoe from Hell + $1028

Bet Player

112
224
448
88,16
16,16,35
35,35,75
75,75,150
150,150,300
300,300,600
600,600,1200

B,9,7,4,0,5,7,0,x -1
B,8,7,4,1,3,8,3,6 -2
B,8,6,0,8,x,0,6,x -4
P,2,8,0,2,x,4,4,x -2
B,5,3,4,1,x,0,4,9 -4
P,0,2,9,1,0,2,0,0 0
T,8,8,0,8,x,9,9,x
B,3,2,2,0,1,6,6,0 -4
P,0,6,7,5,8,6,0,x 0
P,8,9,6,2,x,0,9,x +8
T,0,0,0,0,0,9,5,6
B,9,6,4,9,6,1,5,x +7
B,7,1,7,0,x,0,0,1 +6
T,7,7,0,7,x,1,0,6
B,9,8,9,0,x,0,8,x +4
B,6,2,4,6,6,2,0,0 +2
P,1,7,0,0,1,7,0,x +4
B,2,0,8,2,2,0,2,8 0
B,8,6,2,1,5,5,9,2 -4
B,8,2,7,1,x,9,3,x -8
B,4,0,4,0,x,4,6,0 -16
B,8,6,2,2,4,7,9,x -24
P,6,8,0,6,x,3,5,x -16
P,0,8,7,3,0,1,9,8 0
B,9,0,2,7,x,0,0,x -16
P,6,7,0,0,6,0,7,x 0
B,7,3,9,8,x,9,5,9 -35
B,9,7,5,4,x,0,7,x -70
T,8,8,3,5,x,2,6,x
B,7,5,8,9,x,5,0,0 -105
T,6,6,7,9,x,0,6,x
B,9,4,8,1,x,0,4,x -180
B,7,4,0,7,x,0,4,0 -255
B,9,6,0,9,x,0,6,x -330
B,9,6,3,1,5,0,2,4 -480
P,4,8,6,8,x,0,8,x -330
B,7,6,7,0,x,0,6,x -480
B,7,6,0,7,x,8,8,x -780
B,9,0,9,0,x,0,0,x -1080
P,2,6,2,0,0,3,0,3 -780
P,4,6,1,3,0,6,0,x -180
T,2,2,5,8,9,0,3,9
B,9,3,9,0,x,0,3,x -780
P,4,6,8,4,2,8,8,x -180
P,6,7,0,6,x,2,0,5 +1020
B,9,6,2,3,4,1,0,5 +1019
B,8,6,0,8,x,4,2,x +1018
B,7,5,4,3,x,7,5,3 +1016
P,1,7,7,4,0,7,0,x +1018
B,6,2,0,0,6,0,1,1 +1016
P,3,8,8,5,x,1,7,x +1020
B,5,2,6,6,3,5,0,7 +1016
P,3,5,2,8,3,6,9,0 +1020
P,4,6,8,6,x,5,0,1 +1028
B,9,5,0,0,9,4,1,0 +1027
B,7,2,9,8,x,0,0,2 +1026
P,0,9,3,7,x,0,9,x +1028
P,7,8,8,9,x,1,0,7 +1030
B,5,4,0,5,0,6,4,4 +1029
P,0,9,0,0,x,8,1,x +1030
B,6,4,4,2,x,0,3,1 +1028
P,2,9,1,0,1,0,2,7 +1030
P,0,5,6,4,0,5,0,0 +1032
T,6,6,3,3,x,6,0,x
T,0,0,0,0,0,7,3,0
B,9,0,4,5,x,4,6,x +1031
P,1,5,0,1,0,0,0,5 +1032
B,9,3,9,5,5,8,3,2 +1030
P,5,6,0,5,0,2,4,x +1032
P,3,9,6,7,x,3,6,x +1034
P,3,6,1,2,0,8,4,4 +1035
B,8,7,9,2,7,0,7,x +1034
B,9,5,0,1,8,0,5,0 +1033
P,5,6,0,0,5,8,7,1 +1035
B,5,0,3,2,0,0,3,7 +1033
B,8,7,3,0,5,7,0,x +1031
B,7,4,4,0,3,9,3,2 +1027
P,3,8,3,0,x,8,0,x +1031
P,6,9,9,7,x,4,5,x +1035
B,7,6,7,0,x,3,2,1 +1028
P,0,8,0,0,x,8,0,x +1035
T,3,3,2,0,1,3,0,0
B,6,4,5,1,x,5,0,9 +1028

Banker Wins = 44
Player Wins = 30
Tie Wins = 9
Result: +1028

[soxfan]

Wow the same cat who took me to task for usin star, sayin flat bettin was better now post up THIS progession, yikes, hey hey.

[Funbetter]

Another shoe for you to test. I got -45 units with my method.

B
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
B
P
P
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
P
B
B
B
P
P
B
B
P
P
P
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
B

+13 unit wins. Although I would have stopped when I was +6 units ahead, taken a bathroom break and returned in time for new shoe....

[LOTI]

The progression busts out on this shoe, Number 71 of Zumma 600:


71 12 B
71 13 B
71 14 B
71 15 P
71 16 B
71 17 B
71 18 P
71 19 B
71 20 B
71 21 B
71 22 P
71 23 B
71 24 P
71 25 B
71 26 B
71 27 B
71 28 B
71 29 B
71 30 B
71 31 B
71 32 B
71 33 B
71 34 B
71 35 B
71 36 B
71 37 B
71 38 B
71 39 B
71 40 P
71 41 B

[LOTI]

As well as this shoe:

284	1	P
284	2	P
284	3	B
284	4	B
284	5	B
284	6	B
284	7	P
284	8	B
284	9	B
284	10	B
284	11	B
284	12	B
284	13	B
284	14	B
284	15	B
284	16	B
284	17	B
284	18	P
284	19	P
284	20	B
284	21	B
284	22	B
284	23	B
284	24	B
284	25	B
284	26	B
284	27	P
284	28	B
284	29	P
284	30	B
284	31	B
284	32	B

[Bacronin]

Yes, it is easy to bet a 1000 units and play on paper and test out a system, but in real life sit at a live table, if you have to make a 1000 units bet or even 30,50 units bet, that would make you think twice, or may be think 10 times.
GET REAL people.

[fauzy]

As well as this shoe:

284	1	P
284	2	P
284	3	B
284	4	B1
284	5	B2
284	6	B3
284	7	P-4
284	8	B
284	9	B1
284	10	B2
284	11	B3
284	12	B4
284	13	B5
284	14	B6
284	15	B7
284	16	B8
284	17	B+9
284	18	P-10
284	19	P
284	20	B
284	21	B1
284	22	B2
284	23	B3
284	24	B4
284	25	B5
284	26	B+6
284	27	P-7
284	28	B
284	29	P-1
284	30	B
284	31	B1
284	32	B2

no need to wait+13 hands =b13s p-7 ,just p stop

[fauzy]

Above count+bet +45, not count on paper,bet right away.
p streak ,not being murdered

[Egalite]

As advantage gamblers, our task is to figure out how to get the upper hand in any given situation.
This particular situation, i.e. how best to deal with ignorant, profane attacks by those who (for whatever reason) attempt to subvert the integrity of our forum, is a no-brainer (excuse the pun). Simply follow my lead by refusing to acknowledge their posts. It is very clear they are not here to contribute intellectually in any way, so then what good are they? I say let these attention-starved trolls go hungry. Eventually, they will go away. Now let's direct our focus toward higher pursuits. Post Script: Free, you were not even aware that Bac players can bet up to the table max per square. I mean, this is very common knowledge. Moreover, when you charge me with a lack of knowledge about the game, you only make yourself appear all the more foolish. You're swimming with sharks: get out of the water.

Just for the record, I've gambled in many countries around the globe and I've never seen any casino allow any player bet more than one box. I have also contributed to this forum, hopefully in an intellectual way and I consider this thread not only absolute garbage, but detrimental to your bankroll.

What is it with the fresh batch of novices / fools that have probably never been inside a casino for longer than 10 minutes which the board has attracted in the last few weeks?

Oh yeah, Integrity, bollocks.

[Free]

I think there are little shit hole Indian casinos both in the USA and in Canada, that have have so tight betting limits, like $25-$500, that they offer to patrons the chance to bet on more than one place at a time. I've never been in such a dump but that's my guess. Doesn't matter though, this idiots' system is a complete joke. Yes Sevenshooter, you fucking twat, I know how to bet $1 for a hand of baccarat. I just don't think its too smart betting $25 on banker and $26 on player to win a $1 player bet, idiot.

Sevenshooter if you ever play this for real, please I beg you have someone use their cell phone and try to record it, at least some of it. it would be funny to see the pit crew laughing and having a good time for once.

[Egalite]

Sevenshooter if you ever play this for real, please I beg you have someone use their cell phone and try to record it, at least some of it. it would be funny to see the pit crew laughing and having a good time for once.

For once? Sounds like they already have had many laughs, which is why he came up with this beast.

[sevenshooter]

no need to wait+13 hands =b13s p-7 ,just p stop

As well as this shoe:

284	1	P +1
284	2	P +2
284	3	B +1
284	4	B 0
284	5	B -2
284	6	B -4
284	7	P -2
284	8	B -6
284	9	B -10
284	10	B -14
284	11	B -22
284	12	B -30
284	13	B -38
284	14	B -54
284	15	B -70
284	16	B -86
284	17	B -121
284	18	P -86
284	19	P -51
284	20	B -126
284	21	B -201
284	22	B -276
284	23	B -426
284	24	B -576
284	25	B -726
284	26	B -1026
284	27	P -726
284	28	B -1326
284	29	P -726
284	30	B -1326
284	31	B -2526
284	32	B

Thank you, LOTI, for running this system through Zumma. Assuming we ended the progression after 600,600 1200, it busted on Shoe #71 and Shoe #284 for a total loss of 4772 x 2.
One important question: what was the total profit from the hundreds of other shoes it didn't bust on?
I wonder how the progression would fare if stopped at the 300, 300, 600 stage? That would save us an extra 2400 units.
Could someone reliable run a sim of the following:

1,1,2
2,2,4
4,4,8
8,8,16
16,16,35
35,35,75
75,75,150
150,150,300
300,300,600

Each bust out shoe puts us at -2362 units. Do we earn enough from the plethora of good ones to compensate for this loss?
How about FLD or Avant-Dernier?
Keep in mind I'm not claiming this is the HG of progressions. Just something to think about.

[sevenshooter]

Wow the same cat who took me to task for usin star, sayin flat bettin was better now post up THIS progession, yikes, hey hey.

Yes, Star is fun to play but the major weakness of Star (and all other ladders) is that once stage one busts, we're now playing a game of "catch-up" at the next level, instead of immediately getting a net win, with say, the Martingale, or extended Carsch. It's a trade off.

[sevenshooter]

Just for the record, I've gambled in many countries around the globe and I've never seen any casino allow any player bet more than one box.

100% factually wrong disinformation. This is like someone who professes to be a master poker player but doesn't even know how to buy in at the table.

[Egalite]

100% factually wrong disinformation. This is like someone who professes to be a master poker player but doesn't even know how to buy in at the table.

Quit being stupid. In the UK, Australia, New Zealand, few counties in Europe and I suspect a fair amount of US joints. You are not allowed to bet more than one box. So where you playing? Disneyland, quit embarrassing yourself, there are real players on this site, we are not all not fantasy bed-room addicts, thinking "if I throw 5000+ units at this, I can win".