Mohegan Sun Casino Dragon Bonus

[Egalite]

is the exact tie score based on the total value of cards drawn?

say like A 10 10 = 21

or

A 10 10 = 1?

If its the latter then at 250-1 it seems the best odds on the table cos you just need to place a bet from 0 through 9 from the beginning and you have a certain winner on a prolonged game...

It is the latter and different odds depending on the Tie value. As I said above you won't get 250/1 (correction not 250 rather 220/1) on a Tie that ends Bacara due to 6 pictures.

Okay after doubling checking here is the deal;

If you predict a TIE on zero, baccara both both obviously you get paid 150/1

If you predict a TIE on 1 or 2 you get paid 220/1
If you predict a TIE on 3 you get paid 120/1

Here is the small print the maximum you can bet is £10

If you predict a TIE on 4,5,6 the payout is 80/1 with a table max of £15

TIE on 9 is 45/1, don't recall the tie on 8.

On offer at 235 Manchester and Aspers Newcastle which are owned by Kerry Packer's son.

So if we work off the premise of a Tie is suppose to happen once every 13 hands (which means nothing at all), and there are 10 possible Tie scores, so they expectation would be about once every 130 hands for your Tie bet to win.
Sounds like a sucker bet to me, no surprises Packer junior offers it, who's Crown casino has been prosecuted so many times for underhanded shenanigans over the years.

[ADulay]

OK, now that we've got the 250-1 payoff out of the way, I was still intrigued with the 220-1 payout on the tie-1 and tie-2.

Went into my all encompassing, live data spreadsheet and decided to see what a 40 hour workweek at the table would look like flat betting $10 on 1 and 2. I took it right from the top with hand #1 and besides the fact that it would be horribly boring to play for real, these were the results:

If the bet is $10 on 1 or 2 tie for the 220-1 payoff, it's a player's bonanza!

40 hours at the table showed a nice profit of $18,290. Actually it was 42 hours as I was looking for 20 winners before quitting. (Based on 60 hands per hour)

If the wager is on just one of them, then it all collapses, of course.

Betting $10 on each bet of tie-1 and tie-2 results in a loss of $7,420 after the same 20 wins.

So, if you get both numbers (Tie 1 and Tie 2) for your $10 bet, it works!

If you can only pick one of them for your $10, it sucks, like all of the odd side bets in any casino.

However, the original post had me drooling of the prospect of getting 250-1 on a Tie 7, 8 and 9!

AD (as usual, the Devil is in the details)

[DiMenosCor]

There must be some way to take advantage of these chaotic shoes produced by new shuffle procedures, hey hey.

Vegas as of right now would not pull that kind of non sense with their shuffles. I was there last week and early in the week and even though they don't show the cut cards, the 14 card show shuffle still stands.

I can understand why Atlantic City and CT casinos pulling this off with the half a deck, one deck and two deck cuts. They had to create a faster game and generate more income from their tables.

Many things changed for the East Coast casino scene since the opening of casinos in Pennsylvania last summer. PA casinos took a lot of business away from AC and CT. If you drop by Foxwoods it is nearly empty and many tables were closed. And this is on a Friday to Sunday. AC is hurting to the point where the state had to come in for the rescue. That is why for AC right now you see these ridiculous rebates and comps to attract players. So this adds to the pressure to Mohegun and Foxwoods.

Oh there is definitely way(s) to counter this so back to research and formula it is.

[Egalite]

40 hours at the table showed a nice profit of $18,290. Actually it was 42 hours as I was looking for 20 winners before quitting. (Based on 60 hands per hour)

If the wager is on just one of them, then it all collapses, of course.

Betting $10 on each bet of tie-1 and tie-2 results in a loss of $7,420 after the same 20 wins.

So, if you get both numbers (Tie 1 and Tie 2) for your $10 bet, it works!

If you can only pick one of them for your $10, it sucks, like all of the odd side bets in any casino.

Apologies for the 250/1 as originally stated.

However I'm struggling with what you have stated. So if you bet the table max £10 for 42 hours, you should end up £18k+. Then you state if you bet on just one of them it collapses, taking both the 1 and 2 Tie you state also loses, then you go on to say if you get both numbers it works?

I think you could play many many shoes before seeing a 1 or 2 TIE, costing £10 per hand, that is one helluva draw-down

[ADulay]

Ega,

Let's see if I can clarify that post.

If the table wager pays you 220-1 if EITHER a Tie-1 or Tie-2 comes up, you will show a profit. (One bet covering both ties).

In other words, if the spot on the table says Tie-1 OR Tie-2 pays 220-1 then it's a good play.

If it says Tie-1 pays 220-1 then it sucks.
If it says Tie-2 pays 220-1 then it sucks.

If it says Tie-1 or Tie-2 pays 220-1 then it a good deal for the player.

Hopefully this has cleared up the confusion until we can see a picture of the actual wagering requirements. Does the casino offer up a play card with the rules on it that you could scan?

AD

[Egalite]

Ega,

Let's see if I can clarify that post.

If the table wager pays you 220-1 if EITHER a Tie-1 or Tie-2 comes up, you will show a profit. (One bet covering both ties).

In other words, if the spot on the table says Tie-1 OR Tie-2 pays 220-1 then it's a good play.

If it says Tie-1 pays 220-1 then it sucks.
If it says Tie-2 pays 220-1 then it sucks.

If it says Tie-1 or Tie-2 pays 220-1 then it a good deal for the player.

Hopefully this has cleared up the confusion until we can see a picture of the actual wagering requirements. Does the casino offer up a play card with the rules on it that you could scan?

AD

Thanks, I really didn't think it would be this hard to explain, there is no card, as the bet is embedded on the table. To clarify;

If it says Tie-1 pays 220-1, If it says Tie-2 pays 220-1

One bet does NOT cover both a Tie on 1 and 2, this would require TWO bets.

[ADulay]

To clarify;
One bet does NOT cover both a Tie on 1 and 2, this would require TWO bets.

Ega,

Thanks. That solves the final piece of the puzzle.

The bottom line from all this?

It's a bad bet.

However, thanks for bringing it up and a pretty good discussion about it!

AD

[Egalite]

Ega,

Thanks. That solves the final piece of the puzzle.

The bottom line from all this?

It's a bad bet.

However, thanks for bringing it up and a pretty good discussion about it!

AD

Even if TIES of 1 or 2 appeared according to expectation (once every 130 hands, within three shoes), you might make some money albeit slowly, but Christ the down-swings would send you nuts.

[Egalite]

The "Super égalité" bet is being introduced at my local casino next week. I can see this really slowing down the game and disputes increase, on who's bet is who's.

I suppose the nice thing about it, is that the normal Tie pays 9-1 rather than 8-1, saving off 10% of the HE. Any one built a progression on a range of bets between 200+ and 40 to 1 shots

I place a few TIE bets last night when I had specific bets out, won a fair few of them, which was nice and tapped those that didn't on to my running count.

[Profbac]

They have a marker on the back of the shoe which looks like its between 15 and 25 cards which get cut off at the end of the shoe.

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Are you sure there is a marker and only 15 to 25 cards are cut from the back.

There is the lazy dealer effect to be considered. Dealers would cut out more if they could get away with it. Actual dealing is hard work, After a few hours the hands and shoulder hurt. Ending a shoe is like a break.
Watch how they act. OK, that is the end . Everyone settle commission blah blah.

I have seen some dealers cover over their hand when inserting the yellow marker so a supervsor can't see where they are putting the card.
I have seen some who look around to see if no one is watching them, then they put the marker two decks from the back.

In Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay and MGM Grand have a marker to indicate 15 to 25 cards , but the dealer has to call a floor person to watch and approve where the cut card goes.

In AC at the Borgata it has become a joke. Dealers doing the job correstly play out 76 to 78 hands. Then there are others dealing 60 to 65 hands.,

I pointed this out to a floor person who quickly snapped "Why do you care, no one else cares"


I have stayed out of Ct. since the new shuffle. If the games are 76 to 78 hands consistantly, I would go back. Any input as to what is really going on would be helpful.

[tomddxx]

Just some general info....in the last 2 days at mohegan sun, I saw 2 dragon payoffs at 30 to 1 ( banker hand a 9 and player a zero - banker had drawn a card ) and each player bet $ 50 on the dragon for a $ 1,500 payoff at 30 to 1.

One was at my table....... but unfortunatley, it wasnt me.

[DiMenosCor]

Are you sure there is a marker and only 15 to 25 cards are cut from the back.

There is the lazy dealer effect to be considered. Dealers would cut out more if they could get away with it. Actual dealing is hard work, After a few hours the hands and shoulder hurt. Ending a shoe is like a break.
Watch how they act. OK, that is the end . Everyone settle commission blah blah.

I have seen some dealers cover over their hand when inserting the yellow marker so a supervsor can't see where they are putting the card.
I have seen some who look around to see if no one is watching them, then they put the marker two decks from the back.

In Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay and MGM Grand have a marker to indicate 15 to 25 cards , but the dealer has to call a floor person to watch and approve where the cut card goes.

In AC at the Borgata it has become a joke. Dealers doing the job correstly play out 76 to 78 hands. Then there are others dealing 60 to 65 hands.,

I pointed this out to a floor person who quickly snapped "Why do you care, no one else cares"


I have stayed out of Ct. since the new shuffle. If the games are 76 to 78 hands consistantly, I would go back. Any input as to what is really going on would be helpful.

I have seen a dealer cutting a whole deck at the 50 Midi Bac tables at Foxwoods. When this was brought up to a supervisor, he gave a I don't give a fuck attitude so....

Unlike in Vegas where you have one supervisor or two if you are in the high limit area overlooking the dealer to make sure he or she is shuffling and dealing fair. Plus also every 20 minutes or so the dealer changes.

I don't even bother with Atlantic City anymore since a lot of bad practices are originating from there and it is being passed around especially towards the CT casinos.

As of this moment I am sticking with PA casinos particularly the Sands since its practices are more in line with its counterparts in Vegas. No more CT and definitely no AC for me. That is unless they change their ways.

As for Vegas.... East Coast cannot compare.

[DiMenosCor]

Just got back from Foxwoods. Couldn't head to Sands.

The 14 card cut from the back shuffle is back. People must of really bitched plus I am sure a mass exodus to nearby PA casinos also gave the reason for the switch back.

Plus only saw three EZ Bac tables today. Looks like it is not as lucrative as they previously thought.

[biggong]

At mohegan now. Only cutting 14 cards give or take and dealing burn cards face up and additional hand after cut card comes out. Dragon bonus is shufflemaster paytable three lowest house advantage player would be best bet at 2.5 percent. Blackjack is the worst here..one dealer was cutting off 2.5 of 6 paranoid or what. I'm just going to stick to baccarat.

[DiMenosCor]

At mohegan now. Only cutting 14 cards give or take and dealing burn cards face up and additional hand after cut card comes out. Dragon bonus is shufflemaster paytable three lowest house advantage player would be best bet at 2.5 percent. Blackjack is the worst here..one dealer was cutting off 2.5 of 6 paranoid or what. I'm just going to stick to baccarat.

Thanks. Great to know.

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

Ah they are following suit as Foxwoods had them for a good while.

How many open tables are there? I have not dropping by since I am avoiding CT casinos since I find them to be very petty and cheap when it comes to comps. At Foxwoods they have closed up many regular and Dragon Bonus tables for that crap EZ Bac. EZ Bac is cannibalizing other bac tables and looks like not very beneficial long term.

R U kidding me? EZ baccarat's the best thing since sliced bread. Why is it crap?

[soxfan]

R U kidding me? EZ baccarat's the best thing since sliced bread. Why is it crap?

What's so good about the eezeeeee-bac, hey hey?