Are casinos allowed to pre-arrange the sequence of the shoes?

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

90% of Baccarat players either bet "follow" or "banker only", it is my opinion they orchestrated the decks on six tables, because they didn't know were I would sit. In fact changing tables three times made no difference, scanning the display boards confirmed my suspicions, didn't matter if the other 10% players would have won, they probably get that back at a later date. The were gunning for the player who had consistently won just over ^^^^^ per day during the course of the last six days. By the way, all six tables were spewing the same trend the following day.

Casino orchestration, I did pose the question at the time, you can read it here. The post has details of the very remarkable PLAYER shoe, were the Banker only won 11 hands in a 8 deck game. In a nut shell the casino went too far. hey hey...

That is the most counter-intuitive thing I've heard a casino do. Any resourceful player would jump on the glaring discrepancy and just bet Player all the way through or most of the way. And if they were sufficiently financed, that one shoe would affect the casino hold for that day! Plugging one hole to have another one leak.

They must not respect the collective intelligence of the players. It is in the casino's best interest to keep it as random as possible. I don't think they are that dumb.

[Egalite]

That is the most counter-intuitive thing I've heard a casino do. Any resourceful player would jump on the glaring discrepancy and just bet Player all the way through or most of the way. And if they were sufficiently financed, that one shoe would affect the casino hold for that day! Plugging one hole to have another one leak.

They must not respect the collective intelligence of the players. It is in the casino's best interest to keep it as random as possible. I don't think they are that dumb.

Granted, however when this happened I was a novice, I knew of only one way to play which was ingrained. I'm referring to the extreme choppy shoes / tables, not the P dominated shoe, I wouldn't have a problem with that. Even today changing tact mid shoe is something I loath to do. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

Unless casinos are manipulating the deck every hand to counter your bet, I still can't comprehend any large scale orchestration to throw whales/hot streak players off.

I am of this school of thought even before Imspirit wrote this article on his blog himself: Shuffle Control: Why It’s Bad for the House « ImSpirit

I'm just not buying it.

[tomddxx]

In blackjack, they can control the shoe by either shuffling up when the count is positive or cutting off 2 or 3 decks in an 8 deck shoe.

In baccarat, in connecticut, they use automatic shuffling machines cutting off about a 1/2 deck from the back of the shoe.....and shuffled again by the dealers when a new shoe starts.

The decks are changed every 24 hours and the company who makes the cards shuffles the decks before they are sent to the casino...so the decks are as shuffled as can possibly be.

The casino doesnt know if you are a streak player or a chop player so it cant stack the deck in their favor....at my table today at mohegan sun in connecticut, a woman one about $ $2,500 in 1/2 hour betting on a standard chop of OOXXOOXXOOXX....so it seems to me that there are other things to worry about other than the shuffle.

[Egalite]

I'm just not buying it.

I really couldn't care less what you buy. I was there, my good gambling buddy was there, you weren't. I also doubt you been within 10 miles of a casino in the last 5 years, so really hasn't a clue as to what goes on.

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

I really couldn't care less what you buy. I was there, my good gambling buddy was there, you weren't. I also doubt you been within 10 miles of a casino in the last 5 years, so really hasn't a clue as to what goes on.

You said it yourself on numerous occasions and in this very thread, you would have to be a local raking in the big money day in day out for them to single you out. I don't understand what makes you, in their eyes, a threat to them? It's not a slight towards you; it's because you never once publicly stated that you were a consistent big winner, thus you should not be a threat. It's your very own statement you are contradicting.

[Egalite]

You said it yourself on numerous occasions and in this very thread, you would have to be a local raking in the big money day in day out for them to single you out. I don't understand what makes you, in their eyes, a threat to them? It's not a slight towards you; it's because you never once publicly stated that you were a consistent big winner, thus you should not be a threat. It's your very own statement you are contradicting.

I was raking in the money at that particular moment, I didn't state I was a constant winner, I was pointing out what happened many years ago, somebody believes that somebody can consistently produce a profit from this game for such a long period then they are dreaming.

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

I was raking in the money at that particular moment, I didn't state I was a constant winner, I was pointing out what happened many years ago, somebody believes that somebody can consistently produce a profit from this game for such a long period then they are dreaming.

That's your opinion.

[Egalite]

That's your opinion.

If you are who I think you are, then you haven't played for years, that is also my opinion.

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

If you are who I think you are, then you haven't played for years, that is also my opinion.

True, and?

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

90% of Baccarat players either bet "follow" or "banker only", it is my opinion they orchestrated the decks on six tables, because they didn't know were I would sit. In fact changing tables three times made no difference, scanning the display boards confirmed my suspicions, didn't matter if the other 10% players would have won, they probably get that back at a later date. The were gunning for the player who had consistently won just over ^^^^^ per day during the course of the last six days. By the way, all six tables were spewing the same trend the following day.

Are you referring to you in the third person who has been winning 5 figures for six days?

update: That is a serious inquiry, why did you privately flame me?

[DiMenosCor]

If you are who I think you are, then you haven't played for years, that is also my opinion.

DonnyCocksucker doesn't need to play nowadays. He has won so much in the past now he spends his time living in his Porsche chasing herpes infested transvestite hookers. He is truly living large. We should all be inspired!

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

DonnyCocksucker doesn't need to play nowadays. He has won so much in the past now he spends his time living in his Porsche chasing herpes infested transvestite hookers. He is living large.

Don't talk about your Mom and sisters like that. Oooooh, snap!0.jpg

[DiMenosCor]

Heh heh heh..... it is another eirescott/Scottish-Irish aborted Leprechaun reject. Good job there DonnyTranvestiteChaser, you just like to reach new lows don't you? Given that it is you, one should not be surprised. It should be expected.

[DiMenosCor]

Oh..... DonnyCocksucker is replying. It is about time. So what Nobel Prize worthy comment you are going to spew out of your ass this time?

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

90% of Baccarat players either bet "follow" or "banker only", it is my opinion they orchestrated the decks on six tables, because they didn't know were I would sit. In fact changing tables three times made no difference, scanning the display boards confirmed my suspicions, didn't matter if the other 10% players would have won, they probably get that back at a later date. The were gunning for the player who had consistently won just over ^^^^^ per day during the course of the last six days. By the way, all six tables were spewing the same trend the following day.

So I take it that is you. I just wanted to know which day did they started giving you heat?

I would think that would be a big cardinal rule breaking for first timers - at the time - by making your self conspicuous for days and winning substantial Moola at the same time. Just wanted to get a gauge of when "heat" is felt.

[Egalite]

Are you referring to you in the third person who has been winning 5 figures for six days?

update: That is a serious inquiry, why did you privately flame me?

Why a month between the questions? Then again that is kinda obvious, I noticed a certain somebody usually logs off and then you login. For your information, no it wasn't in the 3rd person I was referring to, it was me, okay sunshine. If I've read your intent wrong, then I do apologies, but I don't think I have.

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

Ok, I'm dying to know who you are referring too. I digress, when/what day did they start giving you heat?

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

Why a month between the questions? Then again that is kinda obvious, I noticed a certain somebody usually logs off and then you login. For your information, no it wasn't in the 3rd person I was referring to, it was me, okay sunshine. If I've read your intent wrong, then I do apologies, but I don't think I have.

Hey we all got opinions; there's traces of truth to most of them. I don't completely doubt casino orchestration but I stand firm on my beliefs as well.

[Egalite]

Ok, I'm dying to know who you are referring too. I digress, when/what day did they start giving you heat?

I thought I just answered that, (me). On the Thursday day 4 and it progressed rapidly from there. A friend who was with me would go to the cage and cash in just under 10K (to avoid tax disclosures), they knew it wasn't his money and said so much to him is that for your friend, then I would go to the cage and do the same, then the next day played without buying in and both of us visiting the cage. Then I suppose their alarm bells starting ringing. What may be of interest to readers, is that at the time, I played "one way" and "one way only", namely FTL.

[DonnyTrulyAScumbag]

Why a month between the questions? Then again that is kinda obvious, I noticed a certain somebody usually logs off and then you login.

Ok, I'm dying to know who you are referring too. I digress, when/what day did they start giving you heat?

I thought I just answered that, (me).

No silly, what's other the mystery alleged double identity I've been carrying on with? I know it's you in the third person already.

On the Thursday day 4 and it progressed rapidly from there. A friend who was with me would go to the cage and cash in just under 10K (to avoid tax disclosures), they knew it wasn't his money and said so much to him is that for your friend, then I would go to the cage and do the same, then the next day played without buying in and both of us visiting the cage. Then I suppose their alarm bells starting ringing. What may be of interest to readers, is that at the time, I played "one way" and "one way only", namely FTL.

Thanks for the response, I for one agree with you on the keen difference of "localized" frequenting of shops and out of towners treatments. Good anecdotes will always serve some purpose.