Thread: True Bet Phonenix experience and this is how I won..

Hello everyone long time no talk....it is nice to be back here again...

I have been playing quite a lot... sort of wining that's why i was quiet... and I just withdrew the money and I got winning money from money gram.....

well those players who are interested in using online casino or betphoenix then this may help you.....

well, as far as live baccarat goes.... for me.. i had so much trouble connecting to games.. maybe i tried busy time or maybe my connection wasn't fast enough??? whatever reason i had problem....
also they will kick you out when you don't bet 3 or 4 hands... then you have to wait few minutes to back on... well, so what i did was i put $5 on both side to stay.....

anyhow.. this is how went... first i was using mr. bakarat's system... and i actually lost very fast... well, it is hard to apply his system because there aren't anybody i can use.. except myself... i was betting in my head and i waited until i won 4 times.....

Then i got pissed and i put rest of my money into tennis 5 min later and luckly i won....... and i got my money back plus some win.....

And i went back to live casino then I did use my old system... which actually involves "balance" and I won about 40 plus units.... i was betting $5.. so about $200.... well, i used 3-4 progressive... 2 times i lost 3 progressive... i had to move on...... and this morning was 2nd lost of 3 progressive so i took money out and cashed out... well, one thing i really impressed was i got money same day... well, Money gram or bet phoenix charges 10% of money you are withdrawing... i withdrew $550 so they took $50....

well, $5 unit betting will never get you living... i mean no matter how many unit you win.. i mean it is impossible to win 1000 units in one month.....

well, i won 40 units... so if i did start $50 then i would get $2000,,,,,, but of course you need bigger bankroll.... 50, 100, 200, 400, $750... total...
which is not so bad......

well, at least i won some money so that was good.. but I learned that being patient is such a key....

And another key or probably the most important key is to deal with losing... see if you can deal with losing.. see if you can smile after losing... well, to me it is impossible.. i have to come back really later.. otherwise big losing coming soon..... well, this is due to i was using progressive.. if you lose 3 step progressive then you have win 7 hands to get that money back.. and it is a hard work.. since my system involve so much waiting time......but this is the only system actually even I can win...... it involves "balance"

Joker, I'm totally with you on this! Same thing happened to me at 5Dimes. The key is patience when playing online because its right there. Here is a goal for everyone that plays online: wager $5 each bet and win about 3-4 units a day and that will be about $600 profit each month! Good right? Yes and its do-able.

Hello there thanks for the comment....

well, here are the things....

as we all know it is very hard to get ahead by using flat bet... or even 2 progressive..... i believe 3 progressive sort of maximum... but you have to win.. you got to select right time to play then place the bet.. no worry you have 3 chance to win......

I would really stay away from following system....

1) any system involve large losing... 100 units to get 1..... i mean it is impossible for us to get that money back... if you lose... and anything can happen at casino.....

2) i will stay away from the system place the bet too often--- i don't think none of the system can win too often by placing the bet too often....

here are tips i learned....

1) over the years.. and myself... going against streak is pretty good... if you know that streak will break...
for example.. mr bakarat's system started to bet after person won 4 straight...then start betting.. not just BBBB show up....
See there got to be meaning why we place the bet... after 4 streak.....

2) well, making living is extremely tough... again... your first unit has to be $100 or more to make solid living.... I won 40 units this month... if i did with 100 then it is $4000... but after 3 weeks i got bit burned out... looking shoe for all day and waiting for the chances to bet.. i lost my sleep and sort of effected to my word.... but extra money does not hurt me and really help me....

3) if you are ahead.. say even $100 and feel like you are doing down big time... i mean down the drain then just withdraw the money... it is unlucky money... just wait few days recover the energy and send the money so that money has not bad luck.. it is pure start.....
funny thing is that when i reached $620..and i lost my progressive and try to get that money back and started to do something very crazy and lost $10 more.. and luckily i told my self.. hey i am still up why not just withdraw this money... and i did.. glad i did. i knew i would have lost if I did...

4) yes.. if I ever play again.. i would deposit next month.. this month is over....

5) play at least you have 1 hour to kill.... not before the work... after the work is better.......


6) i believe $5 start is good.. no risk involve but sometimes it is so small and small profit, we tend to bet more and more....it gets greedy....i mean in order to $200.. you have to win 40 units..!!!! i mean that's a lot... and for me involves so much of wait so it took forever......

7) Again.. if you feel the money is not lucky then i would withdraw and redeposit the money again.. start fresh...

8) I mean this is most important.. to have CLEAN mind.... i mean if you lose it is hard to smile and move on.. you will be thinking about it....
I would definitely will choose the system which involves frequent losing and winning or like my system rarely losing but if you lose, you lose 7 units.....



Benefits of this online gaming....

well, but i thought this was nice way to make extra money i mean... if i can continue... i have my own time.... i don't have to drive to casino, stand behind people and fight to bet... and sometimes even you can not bet....
During i wait for my chances, i can watch TV, eat and etc... it was easier to wait.. and not to mention i saved gas cost.. for me it will cost at least $10 to go there and come back every visit.. and also my local casino charge $1 for each hand.... so at least they would taken $50-100 by just doing that.... and also they do not have $5 table so so i have to go with $10 or $25...

there are few things you can do to actually manipulate the shoe...

you can make it as your favor.....

i am experiment this.... if this goes nicely then i don't have to wait for my trigger to show up

Great job, Joker!
Keep up the great work!!

hey hotdog thank you.. how is your mr. bakarat's system going for you?

still winning? hope you are still winning

I have deposited again since April started and now about 10 units.. up... it was sort of hard.. start out 20 units up and went down and up again......

well, let me tell you one thing.. this live game at betphonenix is way better than RNG

there are time to time i have hard time connecting to them... funny thing.. when i click $300 min table i can go in sooner... i guess $5 min has many people playing.... anyhow... i still like this place better than land casino....

well, my system is following... i use 3 prgressive...... hopefully i get long winning streak...

1) my first goal is to win 20 units so it well covers my 3 progressive when fail....

2) my system allow me to win most of time.. even unlucky guy like me.....

3) make sure have enough time when I play and have lots of energy...

4) so far it is so hard for me to control myself.. i play whenever i can, but I still have to wait my bet selection...

5) somewhat.. you have to get lucky.....

You can make consistent profit as long as these meets

1) hard work

2) good system

3) luck.....


even i can make profit.......

And those who are really thinking about casino as a living....

my experience....

1) do no use $5 units.. go to use at least $25...even you win 40 units if you are using $5 then only $200 win.. but if you used $25 you get $1000... well, $1000 isn't enough to make living .... if you bet $100 per unit then maybe okay...

but i use $300 bankroll with $5 unit.. and it seems cover allright...
so simply you need $6000 bankroll to be safe if you want to start with $100...

well, if you are winning bigger and bigger.. i mean the amount then online casino will do whatever take to make you lose (this is my guess)

but i would think this is so much stress way to make living because you can win $2000 and you can lose $3000 next 10 minutes.....

that's why lots of system sellers want to sell their system.. it may work , but it is just too hard work to make living and nothing is 100% gurantee

but i use $300 bankroll with $5 unit.. and it seems cover allright...

Hi, Joker. If, I were you and I have $300 bankroll, my unit size would be $10.00.

It worths the time, efforts and make more sense.

well, if you are winning bigger and bigger.. i mean the amount then online casino will do whatever take to make you lose

You're right and they're always the winners.

hello there.. yes $10 make sense.. no doubt.. and it can make huge different after winning 40 units..after comission and etc... but here are thing i believe

1) your first unit.. $5 or $10 .. is really up to your personality..
are you comfortable and easier to gamble that unit?

because if you can't be aggressive sometime then it is hard to win this one....

2) shoe must be moving fast...
I believe land casino is good, but sometimes moves too slow.. and even you get the chance, table is full and can't place the bet....

3) as far as online goes... i can access 24 hours without leaving the house.....

4) i do agree that when you are losing better sleep and come back next day.. but i also beleive that griding still help......

but it takes lots of work.... after one hour there is no guarantee of profit... if you lose money.. not only lose money but you wasted so much time.....

This april

20 unit plus... not so bad !!


1) good bet selection

2) luck

3) 3 progression

4) hard work....


is Winning.....

These are the Key things for me

1) I do not like to limit winning per day.... thing is if you limit win 2 units then if my 3 progressive loses then I lose 7 units then takes 4 days to get ti back...not fun

2) I will prefer change shoe if things aren't doing well....

3) if there is no energy and then I just will stop...

4) following rules or system does really help me....

Originally Posted by Joker

This april

20 unit plus... not so bad !!


1) good bet selection

2) luck

3) 3 progression

4) hard work....


is Winning.....

$5 x 20 = $100.00

$10 x 20 = $200.00

thanks punvit.. you are right..

but i just don't have confidence to start with $10


Key thing

do not gamble when you have no energy or sleepy.....

goodnight

1) I believe bet selection will work--it goes like this... you will lose.. there is no doubt about it..if you lose then it is 7 units... but key is to get streak....
win as much as you can and make sure over come the losing unit,..

like this.. win 20 units then lose 7 units then win 25 units then lose 7 units then win 18 units and so on... you can lose but make sure system and you are strong enough and make sure believe you can come back...

actually 2nd day.. i went down pretty bad..... i stopped that day.. was very tired and came back next day and recover and plus got profit......


2) land casino will be very tough to beat--- because it moves too slow.. just don't get too much opportunity to bet. And it is hard to stay there 6 hours a day.

3) online game goes very smooth... it goes fast.. i get trigger easy....no distruction-no tip, no floorman, easier to focus...

4) winning system has to win as many units.. there should not be the limit...
i mean so.. you can't say my system only win up to 100units.... then will break down....

Originally Posted by Joker

1) I believe bet selection will work---
win as much as you can and make sure over come the losing unit, you can lose but make sure system and you are strong enough and make sure believe you can come back...
actually 2nd day.. i went down pretty bad..... i stopped that day.. was very tired and came back next day and recover and plus got profit.

Very good Joker, I'm glad you're getting better.
This is "almost" the same way I do it.

2) land casino will be very tough to beat--- because it moves too slow.. just don't get too much opportunity to bet. And it is hard to stay there 6 hours a day.

No, the $10 tables move very fast....too fast for me!!!
Why you have to play 6 hours a day?

3) online game goes very smooth... it goes fast.. i get trigger easy....no distruction-no tip, no floorman, easier to focus...

You have to learn how to stay focus on your game and ignore everything else.

4) winning system has to win as many units.. there should not be the limit.

That is correct, but you have to know when to leave, before you lose back all your profits.

hello punvit thank you for your post.....


well, sometimes, i play very early in the morning and local casino, sometimes there is nobody is playing....

well, I thought the same "leave after you win"

but i do not want to limit the winning... as long as I win I try continue to win and collect as many win as possible...

Yesterday i got another 15 units.. i mean it went smooth.....

here is the tip......

1) bet selection... find the "Very very rare occasion"

But... But.. here is the interesting part I found.... You can create rare occasion by yourself..... just like manipulate Volcano or heavy rain, or tornado..

For example... just typical shoe like BB P BBB P BB PP BB can be same as BBBBBBBBB or PPPPPBBBBB depends on how you use it... from there you can do a lot of fun stuff....

2) system has to be strong.. i mean has to have great winning record... i mean even "I" win more often than losing.. should be something

3) Combine last month and this month.. I got over 70 units....and if I lose then I lose 7 units.... well, yes if I lose 10 times and I will lose all the units.....
we will see...


4) am i going to sell or reveal the system? not really, but I will definitely will give hints... close ones.... selling system will make more money? probably yes.. i don't' have to work too hard. but I don't want to deal with people who will complain about my system and etc... i rather do myself.....

5) it is very vey early tell, but I believe you can beat casino....
---with smaller bet.. smaller win
---with great bet selection-
---some mild progressive

6) never use more than 3 progressive... 7 unit is not that difficult to recover, but if you lose 15 units is tough...

Good luck to you, Joker.

Keep winning.

Originally Posted by Joker

5) it is very vey early tell, but I believe you can beat casino....
---with smaller bet.. smaller win
---with great bet selection-
---some mild progressive

6) never use more than 3 progressive... 7 unit is not that difficult to recover, but if you lose 15 units is tough...

Risk verse reward is different for every player but I agree with 5 and 6 above since this is basically how I play. ON occasion I win a lot of units in a shoe but not usually. Usually in a good shoe I leave a LOT of "should have wins on the table"and am satisfied with the small unit win. Conversely in a bad shoe I can generally only lose a few units or just win a unit or two. A bad shoe is one where the strong trends DON'T recur.

Bet selection will vary depending on the shoe. By 20 hands or so strengths should appear. Bet them and win or lose - that's it, there isn't much else.

Examples of strengths: One side has few or not 1's; One side has twice the decisions than the other; No repeat has gone more than 3; There are few consecutive repeats without a chop in between; Every or most chops go to at least the third chop (PP B P B???); There is a dearth of 1's; etc. etc.

There is no magic bet placement. Divide the shoe up into as many categories as your mind can handle and keep tabs on them. See what is strong. We can even use separate small progs with each category to play a game within a game.

Archer

Hello thank you for the comment Anchor...

well, my system is pretty much mechanical... I am not too big fan of analyzing shoe.. i get confuse and start do something very strange.....

well, my system is like this.... if you hit lottery winning number.. are you going to hit again??? well, chance is very very low.. this is my idea.....

Again.. luck has to be there.... but i don't think i ever won as many units as the system i am using right now...

Today i lost 3 progressive.. after won first one and i recover 3 units.. so i am 3 units behind... that's not bad at all... if i did 4 progressive.. i would be behind 10 plus units.. 10 units !!!! that's bad...... 7 units are very easy to recover if I feel very very unlucky.. like losing 3 progressive 2 times straight then i may come back tomorrow or last month i withdrew the money.. that money is unlucky... maybe i restart next week or next month.. but at least make some kind of profit... any profit is okay....


My idea

1) make sure learn how to deal with losing.. 7 units are easy to recover....

2) if you start losing crazy then withdrew the money and get profit and deposit new money and start new life again....

3) never lose control yourself....

4) Your winning must go way beyond losing....

7 units losing then win 30 units then lose another 7 units then win 25 units.. so on.......

5) typical bet selection never brought winning

like wait till 7 streak and bet... has to be very very "RARE" occasion, but use the trick it make it happen as often as we can... i mean wait 2 hours to trigger to happen is just too crazy.. if your system make you wait too long then you will lose because after while you will lose lots of patiency


thank you... goodluck....

sorry people... i will give you hint but i won't reveal the system...

so far I win with it, but nothing 100%.....

I start out $318 and no $430.... if I lose one more progressive then I will withdraw the money..... this money is bad luck if that happen....

Originally Posted by Joker

Hello thank you for the comment Anchor...

well, my system is pretty much mechanical... I am not too big fan of analyzing shoe.. i get confuse and start do something very strange.....

pretty much means it is not mechanical - can't be both mechanical and pretty much mechanical

well, my system is like this.... if you hit lottery winning number.. are you going to hit again??? well, chance is very very low.. this is my idea.....

the chance doesn't change - it is always the same regardless whether we win the last lottery or not.

Again.. luck has to be there.... but i don't think i ever won as many units as the system i am using right now...

Today i lost 3 progressive.. after won first one and i recover 3 units.. so i am 3 units behind... that's not bad at all... if i did 4 progressive.. i would be behind 10 plus units.. 10 units !!!! that's bad...... 7 units are very easy to recover if I feel very very unlucky.. like losing 3 progressive 2 times straight then i may come back tomorrow or last month i withdrew the money.. that money is unlucky... maybe i restart next week or next month.. but at least make some kind of profit... any profit is okay....


My idea

1) make sure learn how to deal with losing.. 7 units are easy to recover....

2) if you start losing crazy then withdrew the money and get profit and deposit new money and start new life again....

3) never lose control yourself....

4) Your winning must go way beyond losing....

7 units losing then win 30 units then lose another 7 units then win 25 units.. so on.......

5) typical bet selection never brought winning

like wait till 7 streak and bet... has to be very very "RARE" occasion, but use the trick it make it happen as often as we can... i mean wait 2 hours to trigger to happen is just too crazy.. if your system make you wait too long then you will lose because after while you will lose lots of patiency


thank you... goodluck....

sorry people... i will give you hint but i won't reveal the system...

No problem - we already know your sometimes mechanical system doesn't work because mechanical systems don't work

so far I win with it, but nothing 100%.....

I start out $318 and no $430.... if I lose one more progressive then I will withdraw the money..... this money is bad luck if that happen....

Archer

It is really up to people to believe it works or not....

and Yes it can break down at anytime....

but this is the only system actually i have gained some money.....

i mean as unlucky guy as I am.....

As long as term "Gambling" exist there is no 100% winning system.. that's why you have to get lucky..

I just throw some tips which may help people.....

and up to you to take or not..

Originally Posted by Joker

It is really up to people to believe it works or not....

and Yes it can break down at anytime....

but this is the only system actually i have gained some money.....

i mean as unlucky guy as I am.....

As long as term "Gambling" exist there is no 100% winning system.. that's why you have to get lucky..

I just throw some tips which may help people.....

and up to you to take or not..

It is good to hear that you are winning. Just how much are you up now and how often do you play? Also what level are you on the vip stats.

I hit pretty big today.. more than doubles my bankroll.. which was $318....

well, i believe betting $5 may be too small... even win 10 units it is only $50.. just too small.. it may better to bet higher amount and focus on few bet.....

Originally Posted by Joker

I hit pretty big today.. more than doubles my bankroll.. which was $318....

well, i believe betting $5 may be too small... even win 10 units it is only $50.. just too small.. it may better to bet higher amount and focus on few bet.....

Nothing feel better than winning
keep stay on top Joker

Thank you very much.. but i believe that luck is really helping me....

and plus bet selection..

thank you

Originally Posted by Joker

I hit pretty big today.. more than doubles my bankroll.. which was $318....

well, i believe betting $5 may be too small... even win 10 units it is only $50.. just too small.. it may better to bet higher amount and focus on few bet.....

$5 or $500 it is all bankroll related. But the psychology of ones comfort zone is important. Got to wrap our heads around "units" not money. Easier said then done.

A

I do believe that there is Bet selection exist...

But none of them are 100%........winner.....

I believe following

1) more you place the bets, you have more chance to encounter losing....

2) baccarat does exist great bet selection....but has to be very "rare one"

3) units has to be some what large in order to make you quite winning by winning one unit.. if it is too small unit then, you continue to play (it is human nature)

well, i believe betting $5 may be too small... even win 10 units it is only $50.. just too small.. it may better to bet higher amount and focus on few bet.

3) units has to be some what large in order to make you quite winning by winning one unit.. if it is too small unit then, you continue to play

You're finally got it, I hope you'll be at those levels soon.