Hello Everybody !

[Egalite]

Andy Dulay, in response to your PM.

My logic isn't flawed, if you associate with criminals, (scammers), you are guilty by association. You must be ignorant or just plain stupid to not realise Ellis is a scammer, you defend Mark and his Maverick. So you are either ignorant or a shill. My take is that you are a shill (you've subtly plugged that scam often enough on this site).

There are many on this board who wouldn't go anywhere near BTC, LTW, VLS or the Maverick sites, never mind taking on the role of being an Admin. You're either blind or have dubious principals, however you can / should stick your subtle Maverick endorsements which you post on this site up your arse.

Oh yeah, people that work in banks do so for a wage, so unless your getting paid or receive some other favour as a finders fee for enticing suckers to Mark's or Ellis site, then ignorance ain't no excuse. My guess that was what you were trying to say.

I trust you find my response coherent and yes I do play the game, just in case you try and categorise me as another Garnabby.

[bacmam]

Deffo !

I drove once from SanFran to Tahoe after a 10hr flight lol...NEVER did that again !

So, can you share more about betting the Ties ? I did read (somewhere) that it was not a good bet so it would be really good to hear about how you play it !

What progression do you use from Deal 21 ? Do you always wait 20 Deals before going for the Tie again ?


Thanks

Thread got highjacked

[Egalite]

Thread got highjacked

Everything eventually gets hijacked, don't worry about.

[bacguy]

Thread got highjacked

I know what you mean. I don't know what to make of all the comments. The general consensus is that there is no system that works.

What I can't figure is if that is the consensus, why is everyone still on here?

At first I thought the argument was that only systems that cost money are scams, yet even all the free ones get negative feed back as well. Even eirscotts, was proven on Imspirit that it has no advantage.

LuckoftheIrish has been working with Imspirit, meaning I think they collaborate on possible things to test, and I believe neither of them have found anything that can be proven to have a mathematical advantage anyway. I believe that the testing was all 100% mechanical play of course being that there is no way to program subjective issues. Maybe that's the problem.

In fact when I first got here I asked LuckoftheIrish since he has so many systems, which one he thought worked the best. His answer was basically, (I'm paraphrasing here) "None of them." He plays his own way.

All the people with the best of intentions who have shared their method for free have all fallen by the waste side.

There has never been anything positive posted here that I could find about anything that works.

So I was wondering what everyone is expecting to get from here?

Everyone seems to be playing their own system, that either works sometimes or not. Most will never post what that is or how they specifically play because that would be just suicidal as only criticisms will follow.

So that makes me really wonder how members like Egalite and Starbuck would answer the original question that was posted on this thread as no one really gave an answer nor did anyone mention what they preferred to play themselves.

I for one was eagerly waiting and hoping for a specific answer, but unfortunately as usual the thread gets hijacked and becomes unproductive.

[Egalite]

So that makes me really wonder how members like Egalite and Starbuck would answer the original question that was posted on this thread as no one really gave an answer nor did anyone mention what they preferred to play themselves.

What "original" question was that? With out trawling back, I don't think there was a specific question was there, other than saying hello.

It doesn't really matter how anybody plays, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, you hope it works more often than it doesn't, otherwise you move on.

It is my opinion having played the game extensively, it is pretty meaningless to test over 1M, 100k even a 1000 shoes. All that testing provides is a comfort blanket. Decisions are RANDOM, all the testing in the world has pretty limited value. Personally I test 200 shoes and that is it. If gives me a feel, how often I might expect something to fail, a feel for the worst case scenario, but of course at the tables, even worst can happen, of course testing over 1M shoes the same applies, therefore IMO unnecessary. What patterns it loses too, so I can evaluate it against other options.

I am firmly in the camp that winning has more to do with money management and less to do with bet selection, although bet selection should not be ignored. I use my own version of a modified Labby, which I don't want to get in to on a public forum.

[pitty1]

I've heard nothing but bad news about Maverick. One of my friends got so excited about it. She tried to get me to share half the tuition with her, but I told her it was probably a scam. She found someone else to do it, because she thought it was risk free, that Mark said he would offer a refund if she didn't win back her $1000 within 30 days. It turned out he abandoned the group after a week, and left everyone high and dry with zero explanation. She came back to me and said, Girl, you were so right, this whole thing is a scam, that Mark is a terrible teacher who blows his top off at students and his system is worthless, and all he wants is to scam you out of your money. Nothing he said about Maverick is true and it just doesn't work. He blames you for being "negative" if it doesn't work for you, as if that has anything to do with anything. She said the only person who seems to always be winning there is that other teacher Andy, and when you ask him to explain why he breaks the rules of the system in his scorecards, he can't give you a straight reason, just shrugs his shoulders and says, well, I just had a hunch, or, I knew from experience to do that, like it's magic and he can see into the future and can always get it right but never able to explain why. She says Andy seems to win even more than Mark does, at least according to what he claims. No one sees any real evidence he wins, though, it's just a bunch of talk. I don't know if she is the one who posted one of those ripoff reports about Maverick, but it sorta does sound like her. Oh well, live and learn.

HIJACKED?? I think you go back " shooting the breeze"... about suc systems and it rolled from there..howd it get hijacked? You have no ideal what hijack is until you have Garnny is in ur target..U bring up the subject about systems and u will get a mouthfull..a most productive thread indeed...

[bacmam]

I know what you mean. I don't know what to make of all the comments. The general consensus is that there is no system that works.

What I can't figure is if that is the consensus, why is everyone still on here?

At first I thought the argument was that only systems that cost money are scams, yet even all the free ones get negative feed back as well. Even eirscotts, was proven on Imspirit that it has no advantage.

LuckoftheIrish has been working with Imspirit, meaning I think they collaborate on possible things to test, and I believe neither of them have found anything that can be proven to have a mathematical advantage anyway. I believe that the testing was all 100% mechanical play of course being that there is no way to program subjective issues. Maybe that's the problem.

In fact when I first got here I asked LuckoftheIrish since he has so many systems, which one he thought worked the best. His answer was basically, (I'm paraphrasing here) "None of them." He plays his own way.

All the people with the best of intentions who have shared their method for free have all fallen by the waste side.

There has never been anything positive posted here that I could find about anything that works.

So I was wondering what everyone is expecting to get from here?

Everyone seems to be playing their own system, that either works sometimes or not. Most will never post what that is or how they specifically play because that would be just suicidal as only criticisms will follow.

So that makes me really wonder how members like Egalite and Starbuck would answer the original question that was posted on this thread as no one really gave an answer nor did anyone mention what they preferred to play themselves.

I for one was eagerly waiting and hoping for a specific answer, but unfortunately as usual the thread gets hijacked and becomes unproductive.

bacguy this is one of the best replies/posts ive read since ive been here, thank you for taking the time out to post it

I agree with you 100%

Bottom line, some days ure lucky and others ure not ? eh eh ?

[Starbuck]

I know what you mean. I don't know what to make of all the comments. The general consensus is that there is no system that works.

What I can't figure is if that is the consensus, why is everyone still on here?

At first I thought the argument was that only systems that cost money are scams, yet even all the free ones get negative feed back as well. Even eirscotts, was proven on Imspirit that it has no advantage.

LuckoftheIrish has been working with Imspirit, meaning I think they collaborate on possible things to test, and I believe neither of them have found anything that can be proven to have a mathematical advantage anyway. I believe that the testing was all 100% mechanical play of course being that there is no way to program subjective issues. Maybe that's the problem.

In fact when I first got here I asked LuckoftheIrish since he has so many systems, which one he thought worked the best. His answer was basically, (I'm paraphrasing here) "None of them." He plays his own way.

All the people with the best of intentions who have shared their method for free have all fallen by the waste side.

There has never been anything positive posted here that I could find about anything that works.

So I was wondering what everyone is expecting to get from here?

Everyone seems to be playing their own system, that either works sometimes or not. Most will never post what that is or how they specifically play because that would be just suicidal as only criticisms will follow.

So that makes me really wonder how members like Egalite and Starbuck would answer the original question that was posted on this thread as no one really gave an answer nor did anyone mention what they preferred to play themselves.

I for one was eagerly waiting and hoping for a specific answer, but unfortunately as usual the thread gets hijacked and becomes unproductive.

imo the only purpose for testing is to help you practice your play

otherwise what do i care whether strategy 1 or 2 beats zumma shoes because i am never going to get zumma shoes in real life duh

besides i already know in the quote unquote long run all strategies quote unquote fail so that is already a certainty

this is gambling after all and there is a reason why they call it gambling
if you are looking for a sure thing you will not find it in gambling

i think what luckoftheirish and his friends at imspirit are doing is not so much looking for a sure thing but proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that all these systems that are being sold as the quote unquote holy grail are all worthless pieces of shister

they already know there is no such thing as the holy grail but they are proving objectively that all these system sellers and scammers are lying when they try to get you to believe that for a few hundred bucks or even a few thousand bucks that you are going to learn the secrets of the universe and become wealthy beyond your wildest imaginations

so luckoftheirish and his friends say wait a minute hey look we tested your system over thousands and even millions of shoes and hey if it had any chance of winning like you claim then it would show up in our tests but clearly it is no better than any other system that you can use so why are you trying to scam us

so they are simply helping to prove to everyone that all these system sellers are scammers even the most popular ones even the most convincing ones even the most complicated ones they are all worthless so hopefully they can help convince people not to get scammed

but too bad i think humans would rather pay someone like maverick a grand for the hope that he can teach them to win because when you are desperately wanting to win you will rather listen to someone who claims he can help you win even against all the evidence

so the scammers will always get rich and fat even despite the good work by luckoftheirish and his friends

[Egalite]

but too bad i think humans would rather pay someone like maverick a grand for the hope that he can teach them to win because when you are desperately wanting to win you will rather listen to someone who claims he can help you win even against all the evidence

And this is going to happen more if you have shills like Andy Dulay posting every month he won playing Maverick. Nobody knows if he is telling the truth or lying his ass off, or trying to entice those that read that stuff to to invest, Ellis pulled the same stunt.

Of course Andy has claimed all innocence in this, that he is merely an Admin at the Maverick site and if Mark is ripping people off, it's nothing to do with him. In other words he is treating readers of this board as idiots, which is a bit unfortunate. Of course now Ryan turns up with the same intent, I suppose Donny is waiting for the board to quite down a bit. The scammers must realise there are only so many idiots to go around, so they must wait their turn, no point in them all trying at the same time.

[ADulay]

And this is going to happen more if you have shills like Andy Dulay posting every month he won playing Maverick.

Of course Andy has claimed all innocence in this, that he is merely an Admin at the Maverick site and if Mark is ripping people off, it's nothing to do with him.

Guys,

You wanted me to leave this thread. I did, a week ago.

But every message since then still involves me. I don't get it. Make up your minds, please.

Also, I've managed be removed as an admin at Mark's place, mainly due to the massive amount of grief I've gotten over it, thanks to you all. Maybe you can go over to Ellis' place and do the same thing and then I can have a normal life sans daily administrative duties on the internet!!

Seriously, I know you all hate this but I was at the motorcycle dealer today for some maintenance and played a shoe at Bet Phoenix during the wait. As I didn't have any of my Maverick worksheets with me, I elected to watch the shoe and play the old standby of System 40 (as published here and pretty much everywhere baccarat is mentioned now).

A win, thank you.

So, I'm now down to only one scammer's site as an admin. Care to relieve me of that duty also?

The Bet Phoenix shoe will shortly be posted in the "Post 'em Up" thread so everyone can play it using System 40 and then start bashing me again.

Guys, I only play the system, I don't sell it.

AD

[Starbuck]

Guys,

You wanted me to leave this thread. I did, a week ago.

But every message since then still involves me. I don't get it. Make up your minds, please.

Also, I've managed be removed as an admin at Mark's place, mainly due to the massive amount of grief I've gotten over it, thanks to you all. Maybe you can go over to Ellis' place and do the same thing and then I can have a normal life sans daily administrative duties on the internet!!

Seriously, I know you all hate this but I was at the motorcycle dealer today for some maintenance and played a shoe at Bet Phoenix during the wait. As I didn't have any of my Maverick worksheets with me, I elected to watch the shoe and play the old standby of System 40 (as published here and pretty much everywhere baccarat is mentioned now).

A win, thank you.

So, I'm now down to only one scammer's site as an admin. Care to relieve me of that duty also?

The Bet Phoenix shoe will shortly be posted in the "Post 'em Up" thread so everyone can play it using System 40 and then start bashing me again.

Guys, I only play the system, I don't sell it.

AD

andy congrats on your win and quitting the moderator job at maverick
that was a smart move yes indeed

so why not just quit the moderator job at ellis site too
i mean if it is voluntary why do you feel obligated to do it

by the way you are more than welcome to sign up for our tournament

it is just for fun anyway and if you get lucky and do well some people here might give you more respect here if that means anything anyway

[Egalite]

Also, I've managed be removed as an admin at Mark's place, mainly due to the massive amount of grief I've gotten over it, thanks to you all.

At least that was a step in the right direction.

[confusedgambler]

Bacmam, after all was said here you still sign up in maverick forum? not too smart.

[Egalite]

Bacmam, after all was said here you still sign up in maverick forum? not too smart.

Well spotted, I did notice that also...

[ADulay]

andy congrats on your win and quitting the moderator job at maverick
that was a smart move yes indeed

Just a small correction.

I did not quit. I was removed.

The main reason being all of the negative implications for me being an admin there and Mark didn't want me getting the continued grief from the users here.

I will continue to answer questions that I can handle over there, just as before, I just can't delete or authorize anybody now!

AD

[bacmam]

Bacmam, after all was said here you still sign up in maverick forum? not too smart.

I disagree

I chose to join to see what the sales pitch was/is. I was bored

Ive not posted there nor will I

I wont buy anything from there or anywhere

But I appreciate you looking out for me

[Egalite]

I disagree

I chose to join to see what the sales pitch was/is. I was bored

Ive not posted there nor will I

I wont buy anything from there or anywhere

But I appreciate you looking out for me

That's understandable, might see you in the Palm Beech Mayfair sometime!!!!!