Should you set a win limit?

[mutters]

You come on this site and piss on everyone else, telling us why this or that won't work, but now you think you have a method.

Nothing new. I said it in my very first post (or at least in my very first thread). If you and others weren't perceptive enough to pick up on it thats not my fault.

You only think it will work, which tells us you haven't really done it with real money. Is this your system that you are going to sell for $1 million.

For those perceptive enough to see, I've already disclosed the guts of my idea. So I hardly think so.

Why don't you go read your own posts and links, then explain why your method is better or different before you go demanding "burden of proof "
on a free web site.

Because unlike you, I have never said anything on here that might mislead someone into wagering and losing money on a misplaced or unproven belief that I have a winning system or a system that yields a positive expectation.

[mutters]

Mutters,

How can you answer like that, when every bet has a negative expectation.

r/s

Because negative expectations can in the short term yield positive outcomes.

[now here]

Because negative expectations can in the short term yield positive outcomes.

>>short term yield positive outcomes.<<


And that's the only time YOU CAN MAKE A BET.

My works done here.

Mutters, enjoy your day.

r/s

[mutters]

Anybody with half a brain can see that somehow you have managed to snip my sentence in such a way as to give the portion you left a totally different meaning to what it had in my sentence.

I'm done with you.

[now here]

Anybody with half a brain can see that somehow you have managed to snip my sentence in such a way as to give the portion you left a totally different meaning to what it had in my sentence.

I'm done with you.

That's a load of crap, you whole quote is there along with MY POINT in your quote, HIGHLIGHTED.

You snippet peoples word all day long, you want to be a sheep, be a sheep, but don't DO IT IN MY DEN, and expect to survive.

r/s

[IamSamRedman]

yes, you should. one can potentially see two different shoes having streaks simultaneously, maybe 1 table having a banker streak 20 strong and another having a banker streak 18 strong. seeing these in one shoe is rare. now the inverse is also true. im saying, if you stay in one shoe long enough, then it will eventually NOT go your way. do this day in day out, well you get the picture.

[punvit]

its all in thorps book his chapter on baccarat just look it up

Hi, Starbuck.

Baccarat is not a "countable" game.

End of story......

[Archer]

Nothing new. I said it in my very first post (or at least in my very first thread). If you and others weren't perceptive enough to pick up on it thats not my fault.

LOL, Here we go again. Mutters' regular vague hint that he has a way to win but . . .everybody else is on the wrong track!

Sniff! Sniff! it is just a matter of time before our friend mutters stops muttering about his "discovery" and begins requesting compensation for his breakthrough!

Archer >>>>----------------->

[Starbuck]

Hi, Starbuck.

Baccarat is not a "countable" game.

End of story......

hi punvit you are right it is not worth counting play bj instead but if you do count baccarat it does have positive expectations mathematically thorp showed this as well as several other researchers its all there in the books and articles for you to read

[Starbuck]

Anybody with half a brain can see that somehow you have managed to snip my sentence in such a way as to give the portion you left a totally different meaning to what it had in my sentence.

I'm done with you.

mutters stop being so defensive if you are here to spar with people to become a better player you need to listen as much as talk otherwise you are just wasting your own time we appreciate you being here but be kind enough to acknowledge others ideas and experiences because they may just be right

[punvit]

hi punvit you are right it is not worth counting play bj instead but if you do count baccarat it does have positive expectations mathematically thorp showed this as well as several other researchers its all there in the books and articles for you to read

Even if, it does have positive expectations mathematically, can we apply it to the game?

[Starbuck]

Even if, it does have positive expectations mathematically, can we apply it to the game?

well i personally dont think its worth it because i would rather just count bj instead i mean why waste a ten-times multiplier in advantage in bj to count bacc well also profbac seems to have figured out his own count system so he may better answer your question

[mutters]

LOL, Here we go again. Mutters' regular vague hint that he has a way to win but . . .everybody else is on the wrong track!

Sniff! Sniff! it is just a matter of time before our friend mutters stops muttering about his "discovery" and begins requesting compensation for his breakthrough!

Archer >>>>----------------->

As a matter of fact I designate Monday next week as that day.

I will make an announcement and tell you all how much I will charge.

[punvit]

well i personally dont think its worth it because i would rather just count bj instead i mean why waste a ten-times multiplier in advantage in bj to count bacc well also profbac seems to have figured out his own count system so he may better answer your question

I'm not sure if, profbac figured it out or not.

It seems like he is the only "one", who can do it in this forum.

I still believe that baccarat is not a "countable" game, based on the rules of play.

[Profbac]

I'm not sure if, profbac figured it out or not.

It seems like he is the only "one", who can do it in this forum.

Now Punvit, lets not give people the wrong impression.
I am not the only one who has found a way to count cards at baccarat.
I just talk about it on this site more than others do.


As an aside, remember Brian, as in the "triggers."
I did communicate with him quite a bit. He was extremely knowledgeable about this game. He told me that there were some serious card counting teams in South East Asia at one time. That is why today those casinos burn one card face down after every hand. That would certainly stop any card counter.

[punvit]

Now Punvit, lets not give people the wrong impression.
I am not the only one who has found a way to count cards at baccarat.
I just talk about it on this site more than others do.

What I meant was that you're probably the only one, who believes "card counting" works with baccarat.

As an aside, remember Brian, as in the "triggers."
I did communicate with him quite a bit. He was extremely knowledgeable about this game. He told me that there were some serious card counting teams in South East Asia at one time. That is why today those casinos burn one card face down after every hand. That would certainly stop any card counter.

You can believe what you want to believe.

Congratulation, if you can use your "card counting" method to beat this game.

[Egalite]

As a matter of fact I designate Monday next week as that day.

I will make an announcement and tell you all how much I will charge.

You never took my advice. It helps if you win people over with impressive stories of real world gambling that others can equate to, before you baffle them with bullshit and maths. All you are achieving here is alieniation everybody, so why do you do you persist?

For kicks? For entertainment? To convince yourself how smart you are, so you can pat your own back? Aren't you able to get your ego stoked in a more postive environment / situation, i.e place of work, GF (assuming you have one and are not in the Elton or George Michael camp). I would ask you a few quetions about London casino's (again assuming you are from the Capital), but I really doubt you have ever stepped inside any of them.

[Archer]

Now Punvit, lets not give people the wrong impression.
I am not the only one who has found a way to count cards at baccarat.
I just talk about it on this site more than others do.


As an aside, remember Brian, as in the "triggers."
I did communicate with him quite a bit. He was extremely knowledgeable about this game. He told me that there were some serious card counting teams in South East Asia at one time. That is why today those casinos burn one card face down after every hand. That would certainly stop any card counter.

One would think that Baccarat card counting would be common knowledge by now if it were a practical way to play. Not to say that a slight edge doesn't exist though. I always considered card order as the downfall of Baccarat card counting.

In a typical BJ shoe game using hi/lo count with typical rules and penetration we expect approximately 8 positive expectation hands per hundred - the rest are just rent payments. So big bets needed to gain small advantage. I can't understand how coounting in Baccarat could provide better results.

Archer

[Archer]

As a matter of fact I designate Monday next week as that day.

I will make an announcement and tell you all how much I will charge.

I don't think I can wait until Monday! Where can I send a check for $10,000.00?

Archer

[mutters]

You never took my advice.

I ignored it completely. Shame on me eh.

It helps if you win people over with impressive stories of real world gambling that others can equate to, before you baffle them with bullshit and maths. All you are achieving here is alieniation everybody, so why do you do you persist?-

For kicks? For entertainment? To convince yourself how smart you are, so you can pat your own back? Aren't you able to get your ego stoked in a more postive environment / situation, i.e place of work, GF (assuming you have one and are not in the Elton or George Michael camp). I would ask you a few quetions about London casino's (again assuming you are from the Capital), but I really doubt you have ever stepped inside any of them.

And I'm supposed to care because?

Mate if i were you I'd send my sarcasm/SOH filter for a good servicing

[Egalite]

One would think that Baccarat card counting would be common knowledge by now if it were a practical way to play. Not to say that a slight edge doesn't exist though. I always considered card order as the downfall of Baccarat card counting.

In a typical BJ shoe game using hi/lo count with typical rules and penetration we expect approximately 8 positive expectation hands per hundred - the rest are just rent payments. So big bets needed to gain small advantage. I can't understand how coounting in Baccarat could provide better results.

Archer

The problem with counting in Baccarat, is that you have to pick a side, no matter what the remaining deck compositition is telling you. Therefore the count is either telling the punter to;

Bet Banker or Player (small cards versus big cards remaining).
Bet Opposite or Follow (maybe small odd versus even face cards remaining).
Bet the Tie (lot of face 10's remaining and other various sub-sets, such as last few remaining cardsa are all the same.
Then you get the odd-ball last 6 cards sub-sets if the entire shoe is dealt (2's + 3's from memory, only 1 side can win).

Of course I've only got an itch and have been told I need to dig deeper.

[punvit]

Hi, Egalite.

I think it is a waste of time trying to apply "card counting" to baccarat.

It is not only too complicated to do, but more likely, we will not get the definite results.

[Profbac]

I think it is a waste of time trying to apply "card counting" to baccarat.

It is not only too complicated to do, but more likely, we will not get the definite results.

Well, I held a staff meeting this morning and told eveyone this complicated system just wasn't going to cut it.
I told everyone to start working on a method that would be simple (I repeated the KISS principle) fully guaranteed, proven over 100 billion hands, and make at least 2 units per shoe.

As soon as I have it, I will put it out on this site along with all documentation so we can meet our burden of proof.

Of course I will do this for free. In return, you all have to promise to be
my Best Friend Forever.

Don't get angry. I just couldn't help myself.

Have a nice day and good luck.

[Archer]

Well, I held a staff meeting this morning and told eveyone this complicated system just wasn't going to cut it.
I told everyone to start working on a method that would be simple (I repeated the KISS principle) fully guaranteed, proven over 100 billion hands, and make at least 2 units per shoe.

As soon as I have it, I will put it out on this site along with all documentation so we can meet our burden of proof.

Of course I will do this for free. In return, you all have to promise to be
my Best Friend Forever.

Don't get angry. I just couldn't help myself.

Have a nice day and good luck.

A little sarcasm shouldn't make anyone too angry.

I don't mind repeating myself once in awhile. So again. One would think that if there was a card counting method that lots of people were playing and winning to the point that the casinos had to burn a card to thwart it we would already know about such a method. These kind of secrets aren't easily kept.

Another point I'd make is that Asians are VERY superstitious. Case in point - there is no seat #4 on the Bacc layout. So it wouldn't surprise me if the Asian casino that profbac alluded to has their own superstition just to make sure. Further, the fact, if it is a fact, that said casino burns a card per hand is NOT proof that such a card counting method exists.

I am not calling you a liar profbac, so don't you get angry, but your response punvit doesn't add much to the discussion.

I would remind you that you once stated that you studied Bacc and found the game is NOT random. But then refused to give any further information about such a study! Now you seem to be equally as vague about card counting.

Just my opinion.

Archer

[punvit]

Well, I held a staff meeting this morning and told eveyone this complicated system just wasn't going to cut it.
I told everyone to start working on a method that would be simple (I repeated the KISS principle) fully guaranteed, proven over 100 billion hands, and make at least 2 units per shoe.

As soon as I have it, I will put it out on this site along with all documentation so we can meet our burden of proof.

Of course I will do this for free. In return, you all have to promise to be
my Best Friend Forever.

Don't get angry. I just couldn't help myself.

Have a nice day and good luck.

Profbac,

We have no reason to get angry with you.

We're discussing about an almost impossible theory here.

We would be surprised if, you're able to develop a winning method, based on card counting.

Looking forward to hear about your success.

[john220903]

What I find out during my online accounts is,look out for how many deck o cards being used.Some casinos offer 6deck while most of the time is 8 deck.And also in every hand or when change in dealers will the casino burn a card.This plays a big different in the systems that you guys are using.Find those casino which offer 6 decks.