Thread: How to turn £75 > £5250 or $150 > $10,000+ for 28 hrs effort, 4 days work

Here in case you missed it and seeing a 4 step Marty is "sooo in vogue" at the moment.

Don't tune or scoff out until you have digested the whole package, as one word may put you off, which is "Martingale", but hang on in here.

Lets throw in the sales pitch.

How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?

YES, you need a certain element of luck. Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time. You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the on-set, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you anything either.

While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. In essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.

Let's revisit 4 column binary tables;

1---BBBB
2---PBBB
3---BPBB
4---PPBB
5---BBPB
6---PBPB
7---BPPB
8---PPPB
9---BBBP
10-PBBP
11-BPBP
12-PPBP
13-BBPP
14-PBPP
15-BPPP
16-PPPP

Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.

For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or $150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..

Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day. Any 4 column loss and you quit.

You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<
Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit.

Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.

NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%.

Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or $20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week.

If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.

NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING.

Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.

Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600

Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a $150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.

Now you take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal.

The risk is limited to £75 or $150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.


OK - the bet selection;

It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically.

If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best.

If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.

Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or $150 and the potential reward.

Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference.

Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake.

The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING.

You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns..

$150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!



Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

Interesting.....Egalite.

Thank you for your efforts and sharing.

punvit, you make a good diplomat



Thanks for sharing Egalite. Is this one your own work?

Originally Posted by joshky

Thanks for sharing Egalite. Is this one your own work?

Yes, in particular the "up as you win weekly approach". It's also been on the GG site for nearly 12 months.

If people are looking to gamble, they would better serve themselves by seeking information from all sources.

Originally Posted by Egalite

Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.

But if the final week entails more than 16 bets (does it) we should expect to lose 4 in a row at least once.

Any system can be made to look like it works if we disregard the odds.

Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base.

If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or $150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only.

Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonaci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.

Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great.

If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.


Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day.

Hence the reason 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure.

It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or $10k for 28 hours graft, not many jobs pay that kind of money.

Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.

The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or $10 large for 28 hours at the tables. As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure.

Survive for a month and restart. Want to decrease the odds of losing?, Increase the risk..



Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

Originally Posted by mutters

But if the final week entails more than 16 bets (does it) we should expect to lose 4 in a row at least once.

Any system can be made to look like it works if we disregard the odds.

The odds never change from 15/1. It doesn't matter if you lose on the final week. All it means is you didn't make £5,250, but you still managed to turn that £75 quid into a decent wad.

The "gotcha" is the first two days and 20 columns played, you have to either avoid 4L (based on luck) or deploy a recovery option.

You only need to be lucky for two hours

Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

Chop pattern

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1---BBBB lost 1234
2---PBBB w 1step
3---BPBB w 2
4---PPBB w1
5---BBPB w3
6---PBPB w1
7---BPPB w2
8---PPPB w1
9---BBBP w4
10-PBBP w1
11-BPBP w2
12-PPBP w1
13-BBPP w3
14-PBPP w1
15-BPPP w2
16-PPPP w1

4 persons play lost 1 win 3 , never lost 4, win 4u lost 15u

I think the maths in the earlier post was a bit wonky. Let me put it a different way.

As you say it's a 15/1 shot.

Putting that into practical terms, the probability of achieving n consecutive 4 decision trials without running into 4 consecutive losses is 15/16 raised to the n.

If you stick that into a calculator you will find that you have 51% chance of running into 4 consecutive losses if you chance your arm at this 11 times on a game that has no house edge.

So the real way to figure this is to count number of 4 decisions you need to survive in order to make the 5250 and raise 15/16 to that power.

I bet you get a tiny probability (plus that assumes no house edge).

Originally Posted by mutters

But if the final week entails more than 16 bets (does it) we should expect to lose 4 in a row at least once.

Any system can be made to look like it works if we disregard the odds.

before odds/disaster coming bet (2 folds) 248 16, if you have won 15 u

Originally Posted by mutters

I think the maths in the earlier post was a bit wonky. Let me put it a different way.

As you say it's a 15/1 shot.

Putting that into practical terms, the probability of achieving n consecutive 4 decision trials without running into 4 consecutive losses is 15/16 raised to the n.

If you stick that into a calculator you will find that you have 51% chance of running into 4 consecutive losses if you chance your arm at this 11 times on a game that has no house edge.

So the real way to figure this is to count number of 4 decisions you need to survive in order to make the 5250 and raise 15/16 to that power.

I bet you get a tiny probability (plus that assumes no house edge).

You not are trying to win 4 consecutive decision.

Regarding the house edge, I assume people are aware of the B vig, therefore you may want to give consideration to the following progression 1-2-4-9 or to win 11 units. Consider the package as an *extreme" delayed Guetting progression, with a "marty" twist

For those of us who are "slower" at catching on... can someone do a bet by bet example of what Egalite is proposing here? (And I thank you for posting this)!

He says "columns" but I suspect he is actually talking about ROWS in betting across?

So in a 4 step marty, and the first row BBBB, you would bet B 1 unit (or say $10) if lose, then B for the 2nd bet at $20, if lose, bet B for the 3rd bet for $40, and heaven forbid, if lose bet $80 for 4th bet...?

Then we go down to the next ROW or #2 and do the same thing; stopping when we win 10 units...

Do I have this right?

I'm also confused when he says we are NOT trying to win 4 consecutive decisions... when do we pause??

Thanks again for your help!

Originally Posted by audionut

For those of us who are "slower" at catching on... can someone do a bet by bet example of what Egalite is proposing here? (And I thank you for posting this)!

He says "columns" but I suspect he is actually talking about ROWS in betting across?

So in a 4 step marty, and the first row BBBB, you would bet B 1 unit (or say $10) if lose, then B for the 2nd bet at $20, if lose, bet B for the 3rd bet for $40, and heaven forbid, if lose bet $80 for 4th bet...?

Then we go down to the next ROW or #2 and do the same thing; stopping when we win 10 units...

Do I have this right?

I'm also confused when he says we are NOT trying to win 4 consecutive decisions... when do we pause??

Thanks again for your help!

I personally use Columns, using columns or rows, makes no difference.

When you win a bet in a column or row, you let the c/r play out and start over the next c/r. I will stick with Columns because this how I record a shoe.

You don't have to win 4 in a row, you only need to avoid 4L in succession you need one winning bet pre 4 hand sequence.

OK...thanks for the clarification!!

I'm off to get my $10k!!

Originally Posted by Egalite

You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<
Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit.
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To further bring down your risk level, it sounds like if we had capital enough to equal 2 days winnings, this would be a guaranteed win, right?

For instance, if you have the original $150, plus $200 <--2 days at 10 units per day

How could you lose? (I know, have a little under 3 losing 4 step martys... but whats the likelihood of that?)

This method really intrigues me. Do any of you math guys have ANY idea of what the odds are that you could succeed at this for 28 days?

I mean, it's worth it to lose $150 a couple (ha) of times if the chances of making 10k is, say, 70 to 80%, right?

Is it TWICE as easy to make $5000 in 2 weeks? Hmmmmmmmmm

Just to clarify a point made above by mutters;

But if the final week entails more than 16 bets (does it) we should expect to lose 4 in a row at least once.

Why, there are 16 possibilities and at any one time you are betting one of them for 10 attempts. Therefore while at the tables, you WILL NOT ENCOUNTER ALL OF THEM. It all depends on LUCK. ,

As each decision is random, the only difference between this and any other style of play is the required mandatory use of the Martingale. Some players hate it due to risking 15 units to win 1, but how many of these anti Martingale players avoid being 15 units in the hole during a session, I certainly can suffer draw-downs greater than 15 units.

To further bring down your risk level, it sounds like if we had capital enough to equal 2 days winnings, this would be a guaranteed win, right?

No, if you luck is in, it is in, if not, then it is not.

As I mentioned in the posts above, you need to survive THE FIRST TWO DAYS for it to NOT end up a negative experience. Therefore use any surplus funds only during days 1 and 2 and to be used for recovery only, if you suffer 4L. After the first two days, don't ever take more than 15 units to the casino. During the second week, assuming you made this this far, those 15 units will be double their original value.

It is not much use playing this twice, using two bankrolls. It will be a tough ask for one bankroll to compensate for the potential failure of the other.

This method really intrigues me

Good, obviously this method was wasted lying dormant on the GG site.

I mean, it's worth it to lose $150 a couple (ha) of times if the chances of making 10k is, say, 70 to 80%, right?

Is it TWICE as easy to make $5000 in 2 weeks?

Maybe & No, if you want to make $5000 inside two week, I suggest you play two separate sessions per day, this is definitely "Hit & Run", there is no doubt about that, you HAVE TO limit your exposure, hence playing 10 columns per session. Playing beyond this and it simply becomes just a matter of time.

There is nothing wrong with this style of play, other than the risk factor of the Martingale. IF you are smart enough, you will design a recovery option if you suffer a 15u loss within two days and disciplined enough NOT to take more than 15 units (your previous days profit) on day 3 and beyond.

The hurdle is the first two days, you obviously can lose on the third day, but it won't hurt as you will still be 5 units in profit.

Think of it as playing the LOTTO; sometimes you won't win and it will cost you 15 units each time, hopefully sooner rather than later you will make it all the way to over 10K within the month.

Even if you fail twice you have only lost 30 units, most players lose more than that per session and have no chance of winning 10K or setting a win target anywhere near this amount.

You have a 6% chance of losing a four hand sequence, think about it and put some consideration into the Banker commission (1-2-4-9).

Mathematically it is all the same, ask yourself do you feel lucky? Can you afford risking $150, you need to think about how you will determine your betting sequences and are you somebody who can go to a casino and only play less than one shoe.


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I've always been intriuged by this little ditty, I must say, ever since the JohnO first posted it up on GG. I do know of one cat who gave it a shot and did indeed win 10k but he emplyed this style at the dice table, hey hey.

Originally Posted by soxfan

I do know of one cat who gave it a shot and did indeed win 10k but he emplyed this style at the dice table, hey hey.

You kept quiet about that one What happened to my cut

Originally Posted by Egalite

You not are trying to win 4 consecutive decision.

I know.

I'd suggest you look at my figures again.

Im not sure I understand what you mean when you say you play columns....

could you give a quick example of that?

Originally Posted by Egalite

You kept quiet about that one What happened to my cut

The cat went to ground and I never heard from him again. Funny, it seems that most winning players don't participate in these forums, wonder why that is, hey hey?

Hmmm, Soxfan is wondering if you would assume a little more risk if you could make yer nut more quickly by using a grand marty rather than a regular marty, hey hey.

Funny - I saw a guy at the tables today playing what looks like exactly this way. He kept losing his shirt though, boo hoo for him. Guess it just wasn't his day. Couldn't figure out why he was writing down those columns like that. But now I see why. Well, if I see him next time, I should tell him to check out his thread and see if it can help him. He seems to need a lot of help. Oh -hey - who knows, it might just be someone here, ha ha ha.

I'm a pretty winning player when it cones to baccarat and have my own systems that usually put me ahead, but I still get on here to read what people say cause their truly is no way to walk away a winner everytime. I do believe what he has designed here may be pretty profitable and is worth a try. I'm gonna do some testing with it before I go into casino play with it though. If everybody would get on here and not try shutting everyone down when they have an idea or new system then maybe there would be a way to win everytime.

Originally Posted by Hotdog

Funny - I saw a guy at the tables today playing what looks like exactly this way. He kept losing his shirt though, boo hoo for him. Guess it just wasn't his day. Couldn't figure out why he was writing down those columns like that. But now I see why. Well, if I see him next time, I should tell him to check out his thread and see if it can help him. He seems to need a lot of help. Oh -hey - who knows, it might just be someone here, ha ha ha.

Note the difference soft arse, I didn't state in the first post "next time"!!! Also soft arse, EZBakart and this method carries the same risk, your bum chump walks away with 2 units, this approach offers you the chance to win over 10k, that is when you can afford to play it.

Originally Posted by vbangle

Im not sure I understand what you mean when you say you play columns....

could you give a quick example of that?

You've got pages and pages of 4 Column results already (4col),,,,,,,

ok let me get this right

are we betting for the patterns or against the patterns
we look at our first one and its bbbb do we bet that it will be b or do we bet that it will be p
i understand once we win one we move on to the next sequence and also whats the progression 5 if we win 10 win that 20 40 80?

i think ill read it again but if anyone can clear this up would be good thanks

Originally Posted by Egalite

Note the difference soft arse, I didn't state in the first post "next time"!!! Also soft arse, EZBakart and this method carries the same risk, your bum chump walks away with 2 units, this approach offers you the chance to win over 10k, that is when you can afford to play it.

Dude - chill, will ya?
Besides, I'm not the one with egg all over his face. Oh - did your dog finish licking it all off? Oh -sorry - it's my dog. Here, Boy ... come get your supper!
I'm well on my way to my own 10K with EzBakarat's system.
Oh hey - next time look real hard across the table, cuz I'll be the one betting against you. I'll recognize you by the egg dripping from your nostrils, and you can recognize me by the brass knuckles I'm wearing, and me winking at you as I win, Sunshine

Originally Posted by Stackbundles

ok let me get this right

are we betting for the patterns or against the patterns
we look at our first one and its bbbb do we bet that it will be b or do we bet that it will be p
i understand once we win one we move on to the next sequence and also whats the progression 5 if we win 10 win that 20 40 80?

i think ill read it again but if anyone can clear this up would be good thanks

It doesn't make any difference, whether you bet "same" or "opposite" the 4 columns.

What is the progression 5?

I suggest, you read the post again, before asking any more question.