Thread: online casino vs land based

hi to everyone..
i just want to know your opinion and experience regarding this issue..
i've read a few posts that stated that playing online gives them a little advantage over the house edge???
what are the pros and cons on both casinos?
pls share. thanks

Hi, I've never played online and never will.

Originally Posted by purifiedwater

hi to everyone..
i just want to know your opinion and experience regarding this issue..
i've read a few posts that stated that playing online gives them a little advantage over the house edge???
what are the pros and cons on both casinos?
pls share. thanks

Who says that playing online gives an advantage over the house edge?

ive read it in some older posts which i cant find it now.. not exactly the words advantage but i just get the idea that he's saying that its different online, i felt that he's implying that i try online..
personally i like land based casino...
my opinion
pros:
lots of tables to choose from..
can see which player is winning and losing
i think cheating is minimal.. house doesnt cheat players, its the players who will try to cheat the house.
cons:
gasoline, food, longer time of playing due to travel and traffic, needs to dress up

online : 2 types of online
live dealers and the totally computer programs

regarding online casinos
i dont know if this is a pro or con for evryone but here it is: with online you can play anytime anywhere, even at the showers, while eating , or having sex.
for me its a negative bec it temps us to play too often.
but the environment is ours to choose so we could go to a quiet place and not to be disturbed and distracted if thats your style.
what i'm really after afraid of online is cheating.. for me comp prog are prog which may have hidden prog and with the design to cheat the result if one is to win too much.
live dealer online casino may have cheat too because a 2 second delay in live feed and dealers can easily switch cards.
in online what i fear is the house cheating on players. on land based i think its the house that fear players cheating on them.

My first experience with an online casino was my last. It was several years back at an outfit called lasseters. Their bac game was rng, one deck as I recall, reshuffle after every hand. So, there was no start or end point just decision upon decision. I played about 200 decisions and in that time saw player streaks of 15, 19, and 23. Strangely enough I was testing a method mainly playing banker. Now, the mathites will prattle on about how anything can happen but in reality that is not so. I was only playing with a 1$ base unit but, I have never played online since, and never will.

Originally Posted by soxfan

have never played online since, and never will.

does that mean I'm off the hook and don't have to talk to you about them.

Originally Posted by mutters

does that mean I'm off the hook and don't have to talk to you about them.

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No, by all means proceed, enlighten me. Hey hey, at the very least, Soxfan, does like do be entertained and Zeus knows this place is plenty entertaining. You have dragon's sith apprentice telling fanciful tales of shoes yielding 1000, or even 1500units wortt of profit and 21, count em 21 staight ties at ediot idiots casino. You have that Ryan cat, who for a paltry 400$ was willing to part with his method returning an 85% hit rate on the bet selection. So, I can assume, I gather that you will be almost as entertaining?

Just lemme know when da show starts so I can get me some Guinness and popcorn. It's usually a thirsty business, this stuff is, hey hey.

Originally Posted by mutters

does that mean I'm off the hook and don't have to talk to you about them.

No, not off the hook. I win money online and brick & mortar, too.

Sorry, I didn't see any posts where yo explained the difference. Do you mind referencing those for me if you don't want to repeat yourself?

Archer

Archer and Soxfan,

I'd refer you to my contributions in the threads "This much I know" and "Is there really a way to win".

I'll add the following.

By online I don't mean Live Dealer games.
I do assume a fair game.

I'll add the following pro...... better odds are available.
The following con......... they can track your playing record completely.

Originally Posted by mutters

Archer and Soxfan,

I'd refer you to my contributions in the threads "This much I know" and "Is there really a way to win".

I'll add the following.

By online I don't mean Live Dealer games.
I do assume a fair game.

I'll add the following pro...... better odds are available.
The following con......... they can track your playing record completely.

Hmmmm. Didn't find anything of substance and don't see much here.

Casino play tracking is a con? Could be but it will take a long time. It took Foxwoods 7 years to flat bet me because I was "cheating." Point is if you win big the casinos will send a limo or fly u in to keep playing. If you do stay and win more than what is statistically "acceptable" they will ask you to leave for "cheating." (Except in AC).

You don't play do you, Mutters?

A

Originally Posted by Archer

Hmmmm. Didn't find anything of substance and don't see much here.

Does that mean I'm off the hook and don't have to talk to you about it anymore.

Originally Posted by mutters

Does that mean I'm off the hook and don't have to talk to you about it anymore.

Absolutely correct.

Splendid..... then we are both happy.

Originally Posted by Archer

Hmmmm. Didn't find anything of substance and don't see much here.

Rhetorical question ...... if better odds (posted here) doesn't float your boat, what were you expecting to find.

Here's the deal online: Its too convenient = trouble. I've won a good amount and loss a great amount online. As i mention on my baccarat411 blog, I use 5Dimes. The other guys here use Betphoenix. You have to be careful at which online casinos you play at because of the payout issues. The brick and mortar casinos are self-explanatory.

Originally Posted by green8

Here's the deal online: Its too convenient = trouble. I've won a good amount and loss a great amount online. As i mention on my baccarat411 blog, I use 5Dimes. The other guys here use Betphoenix. You have to be careful at which online casinos you play at because of the payout issues. The brick and mortar casinos are self-explanatory.

I am a little cautious about online play. Probably unnecessary but I still keep the stakes low. Don't like the slow payouts and have gotten the run around a few times but never got burned . . .yet.
(If you do get burned there is help . . . try Online Casino Complaints )

The other issue maybe that some believe that online RNG's produce different patterns than the shuffle mahcines. These beliefs are always anecdotal. There is enough data available and this data has been analyzed - shows no statistical difference between RNG and machine shuffle. So . . .machine shuffle essentially is an RNG.

A

Hmmm, I put herr nutters, err mutters on iggy but from the responses it seems he is still postin up a storm, huh?

A wise man once penned a line about some peoples "bein all full of sound and fury signifyin' NOTHING" hey hey

hey Yanksfan,

how many systems do you play. how many mm techniques do you use.

Originally Posted by Archer

I am a little cautious about online play. Probably unnecessary but I still keep the stakes low. Don't like the slow payouts and have gotten the run around a few times but never got burned . . .yet.
(If you do get burned there is help . . . try Online Casino Complaints )

The other issue maybe that some believe that online RNG's produce different patterns than the shuffle mahcines. These beliefs are always anecdotal. There is enough data available and this data has been analyzed - shows no statistical difference between RNG and machine shuffle. So . . .machine shuffle essentially is an RNG.

A

rng is waaay different than live, bud.
no 2 players get the same result in rng, but everyone gets the same result live.
did u think about that?

Originally Posted by Skull

rng is waaay different than live, bud.
no 2 players get the same result in rng, but everyone gets the same result live.
did u think about that?

Archer is my nick. My friends call me Jim. Bud comes across as a bit of an insult even if it is not intended.

To answer your question: yes, thought and analyzed both for thousands of shoes. Of course 2 players playing the same game will get the same decisions, live or RNG but I think you must mean something different. I guess you meant 2 players looking at the results of different rng's.

I suppose I could dig up the analysis and may do but first allow me to explain the study of which I refer. Approximately 3000 live shoes (more than half of which I myself recorded at various casinos around the country) were compared with thousands of shoes using "closed" 8 decks.

The run relationships were nearly exactly the same in terms of the numbers of 1's, 2's, etc. So in my way of thinking if the two were significantly different one would expect run lengths to be different. Yes?

So if you have reason to believe the two are not the same let's hear it.

Archer

Originally Posted by Archer

Archer is my nick. My friends call me Jim. Bud comes across as a bit of an insult even if it is not intended.

To answer your question: yes, thought and analyzed both for thousands of shoes. Of course 2 players playing the same game will get the same decisions, live or RNG but I think you must mean something different. I guess you meant 2 players looking at the results of different rng's.

I suppose I could dig up the analysis and may do but first allow me to explain the study of which I refer. Approximately 3000 live shoes (more than half of which I myself recorded at various casinos around the country) were compared with thousands of shoes using "closed" 8 decks.

The run relationships were nearly exactly the same in terms of the numbers of 1's, 2's, etc. So in my way of thinking if the two were significantly different one would expect run lengths to be different. Yes?

So if you have reason to believe the two are not the same let's hear it.

Archer

bud as in buddy - dont u yanks use that term? it means 'friend'
ur not seeing it righte - think:
10 folks play rng on their computrs - they will all get diferent resulz.
10 folks play live at a table - they will all get the same resulz.
itz not about the stats - itz abount the repeatibility
play rng and u can never answer the question - if i played a diferent way would i get a diferent score? - cuz u can not play the same "shoe" twice in rng ... it alwayz changes depnding on what u do, when u do it.
play live and u can always answer that question YES, cuz it is set in stone hard fact of history - no one can argue.
makes a huge diference ... bud.

Originally Posted by Skull

bud as in buddy - dont u yanks use that term? it means 'friend'
ur not seeing it righte - think:
10 folks play rng on their computrs - they will all get diferent resulz.
10 folks play live at a table - they will all get the same resulz.
itz not about the stats - itz abount the repeatibility
play rng and u can never answer the question - if i played a diferent way would i get a diferent score? - cuz u can not play the same "shoe" twice in rng ... it alwayz changes depnding on what u do, when u do it.
play live and u can always answer that question YES, cuz it is set in stone hard fact of history - no one can argue.
makes a huge diference ... bud.

I cannot disagree more. It matters not how many people play 8 decks of cards together or separate, whether 10 or 10,000. It matters not if these 416 "cards" are physical entities or virtual entities. What matters is how these 8 decks are distributed and how they measure up to the mathematical expected relationships. Indeed, both real and virtual are fixed when they begin with a fixed set.

I suppose you are making a comparison to live shoes against a generator that continually spits out infinite random numbers (BODOG). This is a worthwhile endeavor to ascertain since IF live shoes showed different run relationships then an rng of the type we "might" be able to discover "patterns" to exploit. I say might because even if the numbers produced by live shoes are NOT random we still need a prediction method. (Perhaps you might join Ellis to find the answer?)

This stuff is not that hard for programmers and has been examined every which way from here to next Sunday for decades. No matter - infinite numbers or using virtual cards or real live shoes we get the same result relationships. IOW, half as many runs of 2's than 1's; half as many 3's than 2's; half as many 4's than 3's; etc., etc. That's the beauty of this game.

Now this is not to say the game cannot be beat. It is just to say that the game is truly random. IOW, past results do NOT portend future results.

Anecdotes are a dime a dozen around here. "Repeatability" ?? means what exactly?

Archer

Originally Posted by Archer

I cannot disagree more. It matters not how many people play 8 decks of cards together or separate, whether 10 or 10,000. It matters not if these 416 "cards" are physical entities or virtual entities. What matters is how these 8 decks are distributed and how they measure up to the mathematical expected relationships. Indeed, both real and virtual are fixed when they begin with a fixed set.

I suppose you are making a comparison to live shoes against a generator that continually spits out infinite random numbers (BODOG). This is a worthwhile endeavor to ascertain since IF live shoes showed different run relationships then an rng of the type we "might" be able to discover "patterns" to exploit. I say might because even if the numbers produced by live shoes are NOT random we still need a prediction method. (Perhaps you might join Ellis to find the answer?)

This stuff is not that hard for programmers and has been examined every which way from here to next Sunday for decades. No matter - infinite numbers or using virtual cards or real live shoes we get the same result relationships. IOW, half as many runs of 2's than 1's; half as many 3's than 2's; half as many 4's than 3's; etc., etc. That's the beauty of this game.

Now this is not to say the game cannot be beat. It is just to say that the game is truly random. IOW, past results do NOT portend future results.

Anecdotes are a dime a dozen around here. "Repeatability" ?? means what exactly?

Archer

think about it some more and the litebulb will go on

Originally Posted by Skull

think about it some more and the litebulb will go on

From this reponse I am getting the suspicion that this is actually mutters wanting to dialog but afraid to use his nick!

Whatever - you got to laugh at these kinds of cryptic responses.

Everyone is entitled to their belief systems - whether or not they can support them in a rational way. I have nothing more to say unless you can come up with something to explain your position better than the above, mutters.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

From this reponse I am getting the suspicion that this is actually mutters wanting to dialog but afraid to use his nick!

Whatever - you got to laugh at these kinds of cryptic responses.

Everyone is entitled to their belief systems - whether or not they can support them in a rational way. I have nothing more to say unless you can come up with something to explain your position better than the above, mutters.

A

hey mutters - watz this sayn???

Originally Posted by Skull

bud as in buddy - dont u yanks use that term? it means 'friend'
ur not seeing it righte - think:
10 folks play rng on their computrs - they will all get diferent resulz.
10 folks play live at a table - they will all get the same resulz.
itz not about the stats - itz abount the repeatibility
play rng and u can never answer the question - if i played a diferent way would i get a diferent score? - cuz u can not play the same "shoe" twice in rng ... it alwayz changes depnding on what u do, when u do it.
play live and u can always answer that question YES, cuz it is set in stone hard fact of history - no one can argue.
makes a huge diference ... bud.

i think he means u can get cheated and u never know it and u cant prove it neither.

Originally Posted by Skull

hey mutters - watz this sayn???

Just saw ur post on Re: Can we even beat a fair 50/50 game? Sorry, I guess u r not the mutt.

No offense but after that admission of losing a fortune at this game one can hardly put much credence in your opinions about Baccarat.

A

Originally Posted by Archer

Just saw ur post on Re: Can we even beat a fair 50/50 game? Sorry, I guess u r not the mutt.

No offense but after that admission of losing a fortune at this game one can hardly put much credence in your opinions about Baccarat.

A

sonny, u'll learn the hard way.

Originally Posted by Boomer

i think he means u can get cheated and u never know it and u cant prove it neither.

whew - glad at least one of u iz not daft here! where is raptor? must not be in yank teritory