2 step progression for 1 unit a day...

[Egalite]

df1969 - This is how I initially played it.

Base bet (Fibonacci) 1-2-3-5, then if I lost the 5u bet, increase my bet level 5 fold (again with a Fibonacci) and aim for 2 wins, then restart the base bet at 2u.

So let's see what is happening here;

If I simply carried on progressing the Fibonacci, the progression would run;

1-2-3-5 (8-13-21-34-55) by increasing the base bet 5 fold (gear change)
1-2-3-5 (5-10-15-25-40) either way you require more than 1 win, yet the five fold increase, costs less than a normal Fibonacci.

Despite winning against 3 shoes, I didn't like either progression for this particular bet selection. It dawned on me, if I hit two back to back streaks of 4, or a 4-1-4 pattern, I would be screwed, if I continued doing what I was doing, it would only be a matter of time. I've seen 4 by 4 streaks repeat 4 times, and 4-1-4-1-4-1 patterns, while I didn't expect to hit them, you simply never know.

So during the shuffle, I went outside for a smoke and very quickly constructed this 15 step progression, which I reckoned would see me through this session.

Level 1 -- 1-2-3 (base bet)
Level 2 --1-2-3 (double unit size, have to win 3 units and drop back)
Level 3 --1-2-3 (double unit size, have to win 3 units and drop back 1 level)
Level 4 --1-2-3 (double unit size, have to win 3 units and drop back 1 level)
Level 5 --1-2-3 (double unit size, have to win 3 units and drop back 1 level)

Then the shoe from hell hit, and I ended up at level 5. It was really uncomfortable and I simply wouldn't bet 3u on the streak going to 5, ended up backing off. I was way out of my comfort zone and not liking any minute of it, so increased the win ratio for the lower levels and played those. The shoes where mainly crap all night, then became streaky (thought the casino had done it deliberately, the dealers were happy though), so I ended up abandoning it and played FTL and won all my prior profit back and left 83 units to the good.

It's not a bad strategy, but I don't like the "bigger" bet being placed on the current 4 streak going to 5, mainly because of expected distribution. I considered waiting for a 3 streak, however, I've seen shoes with 6 streak and nothing in-between, and I really wanted to take advantage of the repeating two's that you will always encounter.

The problem with the progression above, is that it is too shallow, you kind fall through the levels too fast, make them deeper and the next level win rate increases.

Another progression I've just done at home, gives 16 steps and costs less than the one I used. It runs like this (haven't rechecked it for mistakes);

Level 1 --1-2
Level 2 --2-3 (2 wins required and step back)
Level 3 --3-5 (2 wins required and step back 1)
Level 4 --4-8 (2 wins required and step back 1)
Level 5 --6-12 (2 wins required and step back 1)
Level 6 --9-18 (2 wins required and step back 1)
Level 7 --14-28 (2 wins required and step back 1)
Level 8 --21-42 (2 wins required and step back 1)

The problem with it, when you win at the higher levels, you only step back up 1 level. You still need the original 2 wins at the level. Also what I like is the bet placed after a streak reaches 4, is less than the prior bet. I suppose you could play around with it, along the lines of repeating the first bet in any level.

As you can see, being able to step up two levels after 2 wins, is simply too costly. On the face of it, it looks a decent way to play, because you should see more streaks ending at 2 and 3 than those ending at 4, and as a bonus when any monster streaks come along, you win on those as well. You need to be handle/ride those odd ball cluster-fucks. The next step would be to play around with the Labochere, so long as you set a bench mark of being able to handle 12 losses in a row (this is a worst case scenario), by either splitting or increasing your unit value, my guess you will be ok.

IMO it is decent strategy, because of all the various streak lengths, it is only 4's you need to be concerned about, chops are ignored.


You only lose 3 bets to any 4 streak, because you wait for a double before you bet.

Yes at this particular time, I am playing professionally, I usually do IT contract work which finished recently, haven't bothered looking for work, sick of dealing with the pimps (recruiters). You can win & lose more in a session than working for a month.

[punvit]

Punvit I quoted your original post, because I knew you would go back and delete it. And that is exactly what you did.

Please tell me what I've deleted, my old post that you'd quote is still up there (post #4).

Do you still have a problem with my unit size?!!? And do I have to let you know every time I increase my unit size?!!?

As for winning 1 or 2 units per day, big units of course. How does anybody know they are going to win X bet out of X trials, of course they don't. So your playing bigger units and flat betting, and you happen to lose 4 bets or worst on the bounce. A good feeling!!! You might go home or continue playing, doesn't make a blind bit of difference when you place the next bet. I only hope you have even bigger units to back up the big units that you just lost, or very deep pockets.

When I'm down -8 units, I'd double my unit size, until I can recoup all of my losses back.

Thanks for worried about me, my BR is big enough for me to recoup all of my losses back.

Tell me how many units you would lose if, you happen to lose 4 bets or worst with "progressions"?

Great feelings and very deep pockets isn't it?!!!?

[Egalite]

My mistake, I thought you had removed the post. Never mind you're another player who is comfortable in shifting their comfort zone 10 fold.

[punvit]

My mistake, I thought you had removed the post. Never mind you're another player who is comfortable in shifting their comfort zone 10 fold.

Just for you to know, I only increase my unit size after I've increased my BR and feel comfortable with it.

Have you ever "increase" your unit size at all?

[Egalite]

Quick update, thought I would give this bet against after 2L and jump on the streak after 2L a try last nite, with my modified Labby that can handle 12L in a row just in case. I'll let you know, it is shit.

The first shoe had 5 streaks of 2
4 streaks of 3
2 streaks of 5 and 1 streak of four, a sure winner huh.

I won 11 bets and lost 16.

Shoe 2;

9 streaks of 2
1 streak of 3
2 streaks of 4 (a pair back to back) Won 11 and lost 17

Shoe 3 produced

4 streaks of 2, 2 streaks of 3, 2 streaks of 5 and a 6 streak, won 26 lost 24 (W/L ratio slightly screwed due to other bets taken).

One must remember the lost after any streak that goes beyond 4 when the streak ends.

The problem with this piece of shit is while the ratios between streaks of 2's and 3's and 5's and beyond should outnumber streaks that end at 4, the fact streaks ending at 4 produces 3L. It is only when you consider the ratios between wins and losses and not streak lenghts, will you realise what a piece of crap it really is.

Shoe 4 - abandoned, played various 6COL methods and trended between FTL and DBL, dug myself out the hole after too many shoes and left 20 units in profit. was up and down more times than a yo-yo, and finally made head way after playing the basic 4 col method which Blackarat mentions here in post number 90 That busted once per shoe, but I wasn't using a Marty, rather the Fibonacci (thankfully), it busted on column number 8 on the first shoe, so when column number 8 arrived on the next shoe, I hit it hard, there is no way it was going to bust in the same place, to do so would mean the current shoe would have to reverse mirror the prior shoe BBBB > PPPP at exactly the same spot. Well it made sense to me at the time and I was right, it busted earlier in the shoe

Play that bet against and jump on shit at your own peril, you would be much better off simply making 3 bets against a streaks continuance and leave it at that.

[Egalite]

You are right about playing less hands. For me, I only do flat-betting, not 1-2 progression. I think it is safer for your bankroll. First bet, 1 unit if, win, your next bet is 1 unit. If, lose, your next bet is 1 unit. My bet unit size is only $100, not $400 like yours. Just think about it.

Yes I am thinking about it. As you can see, people "mouth off" and leave a trail of contradictions behind.

Beckett, let's get this straight (as the other thread was locked), try as you might, eagerly spending your time deleting and editing incriminating and revealing posts, you certainly have your work cut out.

Never once have I asked you for anything, never once did I extend you an invitation to anything and I am assure you I am not jealous of you in any shape, way or form. I am however still bewildered regarding your comment to not knowing how players behave in US casinos and baffled by your fairly recent lack of understanding regarding the 8 card drawing rule. I would tend to normally ask you, that when you flat bet $1000 on the Banker and win, how much do you receive back? Alas you would have too much time to phone "a casino" to find out the answer and report back [bummer].

[punvit]

Yes I am thinking about it. As you can see, people "mouth off" and leave a trail of contradictions behind.

let's get this straight (as the other thread was locked), try as you might, eagerly spending your time deleting and editing incriminating and revealing posts, you certainly have your work cut out.

In fact, I wanted to delete all of my threads and my posts in this forum, so some scumbag like you cannot make fun of them.

From what you've done to me, it's all become personal and have nothing to do with baccarat anymore.

What do you really want from me in this public forum?

Do you want me to leave this forum, same as Bryan, gr8player and other players?

I do have a question for you; Do you have a method or system that can win every hand and every shoe or to be called a "Holy Grail"?

Or at least if, any of them can beat all of the zummas shoes and other tests?

If, there is one then "Loti" would probably ran the tests and posted the results in here, long time ago.

I assumed the answer is "NO, I do not have a "Holy Grail", sir."

So, why are you keep posting them in this forum and other baccarat boards all these years?

At least, I do not post some stupid losing systems like you, just to make other people lose their money.

We should ask ourselves, why do we all here in this forum and what it's for?

Should a lunatic like you leave this forum now?

[df1969]

Who is Beckett?

In fact, I wanted to delete all of my threads and my posts in this forum, so some scumbag like you cannot make fun of them.

I don't really care about anything here anymore, as long as they still have you here.

Punvit, what happened to the asshole part? ha ha

Too bad you two don't get along, i respect you both and even though your play methods are different, you both seem like pros.

[punvit]

Punvit, what happened to the asshole part? ha ha

Too bad you two don't get along, i respect you both and even though your play methods are different, you both seem like pros.

I try not to use those words in this forum.

I'm not a "pro." but, I do have self-confidence, guts, bankroll, good MM and still be able to win more than lose.

[fauzy]

• df1969 - Anti-Streak play, (not necessarily unique to pitboss). Wait for 2 decisions of the same side, BB, PP Bet the opposite for 2 bets max (stop after 1st win), if you lose two bets, jump on the streak until it ends. You are ignoring the chops (the ratio between 1's and 2's is too close according to the Zumma books). You win against 2's, 3's, push on a 5 streak (assuming a negative progression is used), win against streaks of 6 and beyond, lose 3 bets against streaks of 4. Here are the results for a batch of shoes I played Monday nite; Shoe 1 = 15W/13L Shoe 2 = 16W/8L Shoe 3 = 20W/8L Shoe 4 = 13W/12L Shoe 5 = 15W/7L Shoe 6 = 20W/13L __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Yeah, that's what he said to do.......bet 1 then double and then if 4 bet 1 unit on the 4 side. I've tried this every which way and nothing is working long term...at 50 or less shoes it crashes badly. the main problem is that every one loss is actually 4 losses because of the 2 step +1 progression. What is a negative progression? how do you push on 5 of a kind and only lose 3 on a 4? Lose 3 against a 4? Wouldn't be that you lose 4 against a 4 because you are betting an additional unit on the 4 to streak more? do you do this for a living? I think most who say they play baccarat professionally are full of shit, but from what I've seen of your posts I would believe that you do make a living at it. Anyway, thanks!
• Today, 12:55 AM df1969

system; 2s3s w op 4s lose 5s w follow 6wwwwwwwww10w... units; ? 124 or 111 or 1.2.3.45.6.7 w+1,L flat. yes it makes living ..if you use this 2o3o.4follow

[gerard711]

Hey try this wait for a double side ex.PP then bet against it 1 unit if you loose (now PPP )then skip the next out come if its a P now PPPP bet against the 4string 3 units if it goes to 5 stop and wait again for a double you beat 2s(+1) and 4s(+2) and loose to 5s(-4) and 3s(-1) have a good stop loss 8-10U and win goal +5,is what i use been doing well

[Egalite]

In fact, I wanted to delete all of my threads and my posts in this forum, so some scumbag like you cannot make fun of them.

No doubt. You made them, nobodies fault but your own if your early threads contradict and simply make it infeasible your recent claims.

From what you've done to me, it's all become personal and have nothing to do with baccarat anymore.

Nothing personal, just weeding out the bullshiters.

What do you really want from me in this public forum?

Nope, we need light relief once and a while.

So, why are you keep posting them in this forum and other baccarat boards all these years?

At least, I do not post some stupid losing systems like you, just to make other people lose their money.

Sure beats pestering everybody for their system, both on the board and behind the scenes. From 100 less than 12 months ago, to $5k now, BTW - how long have you been parked in LV (LOL) you are turning out to be the biggest bullshitter on the board, sellers excepted. I can discuss real table strategies with real gamblers, you can excite the kiddies with your fictitious tales if you feel that is the direction the board should take, Walter Mitty the 2nd

Isn't it IRONIC how all these so called successful players, ARE NEVER willing to meet anybody to share a game with and the list is VERY LONG.

[punvit]

No doubt. You made them, nobodies fault but your own if your early threads contradict and simply make it infeasible your recent claims.

Nothing personal, just weeding out the bullshiters.
Nope, we need light relief once and a while.
Sure beats pestering everybody for their system, both on the board and behind the scenes. From 100 less than 12 months ago, to $5k now, BTW - how long have you been parked in LV (LOL) you are turning out to be the biggest bullshitter on the board, sellers excepted. I can discuss real table strategies with real gamblers, you can excite the kiddies with your fictitious tales if you feel that is the direction the board should take, Walter Mitty the 2nd

Isn't it IRONIC how all these so called successful players, ARE NEVER willing to meet anybody to share a game with and the list is VERY LONG.

I don't think I can hear the better answers from you.

You're nothing but, a trouble maker and a troll.

No one is respecting or want to hear anything from you anymore.

Leave the forum!!!

[Egalite]

Leave the forum!!![/B]

If I elect to do that, then there will be no control to child ego's of many, including you. how would you parent ego reign in your fantasy child state? The board will become one almighty fantasy-fest with no real gaming discussion at all. It will be like who can spin the biggest yarn.

As hard as I try I can't get my head around some of the BS people post. What goes through their mind as they type? As they hit the reply button knowing damn well they are lying their ass off. It doesn't make me jealous or envious, rather pitiful that some feel the need to resort to this shit simply for recognition and attention, as well as treating other board members as idiots.

BTW - Tim, that image you posted, sure looks dodgy for any VIP area of any Vegas casino. It's very dark and looks like the tote board has been super-imposed over a pub that happened to be closed.

[Pitbull]

Hi visto, to win consistantly in casinos I personally feel it's impossible. I witness a high roller inside Orchid rm in rws betting $50k on B/P $5k on tie, $5k each on pairs (totalling $65k) per hand.Initially he was doing very well, collecting winnings from the 2 tables he betted on, then suddenly there was a turn of fate, he starts losing on both tables whenever he betted. Everyone feels he should leave, eventually he left, with only a $1k chip remaining, I hope this will be a lesson for all of our members to keep in mind. Do not be greedy....Just my 2 cents of advice.

Pitbull

[tomddxx]

What people on this forum have to realize is that many people just enjoy the excitement of gambling. They may have boring jobs, boring marriages, boring lives and gambling provides the excitement they do not have in their lives.

They do not know, or care about, limiting losses, money management, bet selection, etc etc etc.

Gambling provides an activity and excitement that is lacking in their own lives.

Also some people have so much money that losing $ 50,000 or $ 100,000 does not matter to them.

Casinos are also full of people who have an addiction problem with gambling ( just like some people are addicted to over-eating, drugs, alcohol, pornography etc etc )

Every person in a casino has their own story as to why they are in the casino.

[Pitbull]

hi tomddxx, well said. but some people are really trying to win some $, say, $50 to $100 daily. Do you think that is possible? Haha

[tomddxx]

Can you win $ 50 or $ 100 a day at the casino? It depends...on your bankroll, your bet size, your discipline etc etc etc

It also depends on how far you live from the casino. If you have to drive or take a train or bus for 4 or 5 hours to get to a casino and you win your first bet for $ 50, do you have the discipline to leave and travel 4 or 5 hours back home after spending only
3 minutes in the casino ?

Also I think in Singapore you have to pay $ 100 to get into the casino if you are a resident.......to make $ 50 or $ 100 a day after paying $ 100 to get in is probably impossible.

[helper]

Can you win $ 50 or $ 100 a day at the casino? It depends...on your bankroll, your bet size, your discipline etc etc etc

It also depends on how far you live from the casino. If you have to drive or take a train or bus for 4 or 5 hours to get to a casino and you win your first bet for $ 50, do you have the discipline to leave and travel 4 or 5 hours back home after spending only
3 minutes in the casino ?

Also I think in Singapore you have to pay $ 100 to get into the casino if you are a resident.......to make $ 50 or $ 100 a day after paying $ 100 to get in is probably impossible.

Yup. Can you get out of casino within 3 minutes of arrival? I do and I love it. It happens about 10~12 times a month for me.
If I play to win in Casino (which is everyday), it's considered work for me. Therefore, I am very happy to leave my work ASAP when i received my daily compensation (2units) for working..