Thread: 2 step progression for 1 unit a day...

So I've been trying for quite some time for come up with a system for one unit a day.

My goal is to make around $1000/week.

I was thinking about a 2 step progression of $400 and $800 (if I lose the first bet). I figure I'll lose once a week, maybe twice.

With 1 loss a week that would mean 6 wins = $1200 (less commission)
With 2 losses a week that would mean even (less commission)

I've been following patterns and was doing quite well but have a hit a real rough patch. I don't think trending works. As much as writing down results helps some, it doesn't help me. I'm thinking of just walking in and playing 2 hands... if I win one, I leave a winner until the next day.

Can you tell me if I'm setting myself up for failure? Any advice on how to hit 1 unit/day would be great.

Thanks

Why do you bet so much per hand? You must have a big bankroll. And how do you know that you will always lose once or twice per week. My suggestion is just do flat-betting and maybe lower your bet unit size to $100. So, you won't get hurt that much when anything goes wrong and you can easier still grind those loses back.

Originally Posted by punvit

Why do you bet so much per hand? You must have a big bankroll. And how do you know that you will only lose 1 or 2 hands a week. My suggestion is just do flat-betting and maybe lower your bet unit size to $100.

I've been taking $1200 with me a day (plus a bit extra for commission). I play 3 hands at $400 a piece (flat betting)... if I win 2 units I leave. I follow trends and bet when I find a good pattern. For the first few weeks it was going well, but a couple of weeks ago I hit a cold streak and gave back all my winning plus some.

I think the best way to play is the less hands the better. The more hands you play the more losses you suffer.

When I say losses a week and me I can live with losing a session once a week and still make money.

Originally Posted by visto

I've been taking $1200 with me a day (plus a bit extra for commission). I play 3 hands at $400 a piece (flat betting)... if I win 2 units I leave. I follow trends and bet when I find a good pattern. For the first few weeks it was going well, but a couple of weeks ago I hit a cold streak and gave back all my winning plus some.

I think the best way to play is the less hands the better. The more hands you play the more losses you suffer.

When I say losses a week and me I can live with losing a session once a week and still make money.

You are right about playing less hands. For me, I only do flat-betting, not 1-2 progression. I think it is safer for your bankroll. First bet, 1 unit if, win, your next bet is 1 unit. If, lose, your next bet is 1 unit. My bet unit size is only $100, not $400 like yours. Just think about it.

Originally Posted by punvit

You are right about playing less hands. For me, I only do flat-betting, not 1-2 progression. I think it is safer for your bankroll. First bet, 1 unit if, win, your next bet is 1 unit. If, lose, your next bet is 1 unit. My bet unit size is only $100, not $400 like yours. Just think about it.

Oh that's actually what I've been doing. I flat bet 3 $400 bets. I'm not thinking of doing a 1-2 progression.

What's your bankroll like? What's you daily goal for units? How do you pick your bets?

Originally Posted by punvit

Why do you bet so much per hand? You must have a big bankroll. And how do you know that you will always lose once or twice per week. My suggestion is just do flat-betting and maybe lower your bet unit size to $100. So, you won't get hurt that much when anything goes wrong and you can easier still grind those loses back.

Never mind bet big ,win big,50/50
Bankroll$100x 1000 times,Depend on Capital,who you are ?Widow,Big boss,Manager,sales,jobless,Backbone Matter

Originally Posted by visto

Oh that's actually what I've been doing. I flat bet 3 $400 bets. I'm not thinking of doing a 1-2 progression.

What's your bankroll like? What's you daily goal for units? How do you pick your bets?

My bank roll is not that big, because I do not bring my "life time" bankroll everytime. I only aim for minimum of 1 unit a day. But, if I keep winning, I will let it ride. Depends on how many units you have won in previous hands. Let say, if I have won 6 units in previous hands and loses back 1-2 units then I would locked my winning of 4 units and go home. My betting strategies are based on trending and other methods in this forum. I have learnt a few good ones. You have to know which method or strategy to use and when to use it with a certain shoe.

Originally Posted by fauzy

Never mind bet big ,win big,50/50
Bankroll$100x 1000 times,Depend on Capital,who you are ?Widow,Big boss,Manager,sales,jobless,Backbone Matter

You are right about that, like I said, he must have a big bankroll.

Originally Posted by punvit

You are right about that, like I said, he must have a big bankroll.

No, I take a $1200 bank roll (if that what you consider to be big?)... that's all I'm willing to lose. I want to be out of there quickly. Since the game has no memory, I'm thinking a 1-2 progression is the way to go.

Originally Posted by visto

No, I take a $1200 bank roll (if that what you consider to be big?)... that's all I'm willing to lose. I want to be out of there quickly. Since the game has no memory, I'm thinking a 1-2 progression is the way to go.

Good luck to you.

Originally Posted by punvit

Good luck to you.

haha... I sense a bit of sarcasm there... is my statement wrong? Does Baccarat have a memory?

If it goes 5 banks in a row and 4 players right after, is there a better chance of that 5th player coming up?

I'm here asking for advice... you guys seem to know what you're doing, so I thought I'd ask.

Originally Posted by visto

... you guys seem to know what you're doing,...

That might be your first mistake here.

Originally Posted by TSetAim

That might be your first mistake here.

some Betting cannot Big some cannot Small, It depends addiction

Originally Posted by visto

I've been taking $1200 with me a day (plus a bit extra for commission). I play 3 hands at $400 a piece (flat betting)... if I win 2 units I leave. I follow trends and bet when I find a good pattern. For the first few weeks it was going well, but a couple of weeks ago I hit a cold streak and gave back all my winning plus some.

I think the best way to play is the less hands the better. The more hands you play the more losses you suffer.

When I say losses a week and me I can live with losing a session once a week and still make money.

how did you lose in that cold streak of yours? what was your bankroll, money management, and betting selection like? thanks

Originally Posted by visto

haha... I sense a bit of sarcasm there... is my statement wrong? Does Baccarat have a memory?

If it goes 5 banks in a row and 4 players right after, is there a better chance of that 5th player coming up?

I'm here asking for advice... you guys seem to know what you're doing, so I thought I'd ask.

Well and yes, there is a chance for a 5th player, depends on many factors to look at here. I suggest that you take your time going through all the threads in this forum and see which methods or strategies you like. The first thread to look at would be EIRESCOTT's.

Originally Posted by zachster

how did you lose in that cold streak of yours? what was your bankroll, money management, and betting selection like? thanks

Honestly it was bad beats. I was following the trends of the shoe but suffered some tough losses.

7 to 2, banks draws a 6.
7 to 0, player draws a 9.
Twice I was on player and hit natural 8 only to lose to a 9.
6 to 0, player draws and 8.

Originally Posted by visto

Honestly it was bad beats. I was following the trends of the shoe but suffered some tough losses.

7 to 2, banks draws a 6.
7 to 0, player draws a 9.
Twice I was on player and hit natural 8 only to lose to a 9.
6 to 0, player draws and 8.

It sounds like you are counting cards.

Originally Posted by punvit

It sounds like you are counting cards.

I don't think counting cards works in baccarat when they cut off half a deck.

in my opinion the mere fact that you are gunning for only 1 unit a day is already good. but i think that you should adjust your bankroll to bet ratio. maybe your betting unit should be 2% of your bankroll. this is gambling..and no matter what you do, in a week its posible to lose 3x a row everyday from your opening bet. each day is independent fro each other, no memory from ea other..therefore if you can win 7 days in a row, then you can also lose 7 days in a row. id suggest for you to have a defensive perspective, and always expect the worst each time you go in the casino. have the attitude that as soon as you are +1 in a day...leave. i wont suggest a system on bet selection..that is up to you..

Originally Posted by zachster

in my opinion the mere fact that you are gunning for only 1 unit a day is already good. but i think that you should adjust your bankroll to bet ratio. maybe your betting unit should be 2% of your bankroll. this is gambling..and no matter what you do, in a week its posible to lose 3x a row everyday from your opening bet. each day is independent fro each other, no memory from ea other..therefore is you can win 7 days in a row, then you can also lose 7 days in a row. id suggest for you to have a defensive perspective, and always expect the worst each time you go in the casino. have the attitude that as soon as you are +1 in a day...leave. i wont suggest a system on bet selection..that is up to you..

aweek and a session is the same,you just self control, busy or having time or not
10 sets Bankroll,win no limit
lose 1 set stop a session, guarantee you win a whole life ,someday you will meet booming , God give you no limit money Haleluyaa

Originally Posted by punvit

This is a better way to answer than mine. You sound like a good teacher here, zachster.

Prepare Win +1 also prepare Lose -1

Visto, go easy on the unit size until you get a feel for your selection method.You can go to the wizardofodds.com and try your selection method against the free shoes they have posted.

for me trending never work for me.. win sometimes and lose sometimes.. just lose too often... only system working and has been working for me is to find the "situation" where rarely lose... YET.. we can find often.. not like wait the situation for 3 hours... why long wait not good? simple.. if you lose 3 step progressive then it wipe the winning right away... and since you worked so hard for winning, so if that is gone so fast then you get frustrated then you start make bad bets......

you got to find the way to find the rare occasion without waiting too long....

so you use 3 step progressive... you lose then 7 units, but after 4 hours you can get it back.. maybe 5 th hour you can get profit... it works....

none of the system will win all the time and that's okay... just find the system win 90% of time... last month.. i won 40 plus units... my progressive was 3 steps.. so it takes 7 units... it did not take too long to get more than 7 units... rest is easy.. no more pressure....

Looking for person + 4 win and against 3 hands 124 so 7 hands win you lose

7 hands win is not easy

streak /chop no betting

Originally Posted by Egalite

Oops.

I often think about making 1 or 2 units per day (decent sized units that is), but for the life of me, I can't find any bet selection that would fit this bill and void potential draw-downs, at the higher chip level.

From your profiles, I don't see why it's so hard for you to make 1 or 2 units per day or even per shoe, with one of your methods or systems.

What's the different between using a smaller unit size and a bigger unit size, when you're using the same method or system of play?

If, you can make 1 or 2 units in a smaller unit size, then you can do the same with a bigger unit size.

It's all based on the BR and comforts of a player.

For me, I prefer a bigger unit size (at least $100), so I can quit after 1 or a few units winnings or losing.

Compares to $10 or $25 unit sizes, most players would not stop playing since, the winnings are too small.

At times, you might lose to a certain shoe but, you still have a "good chance" to get it all back and win some units.

Progressions might help you to win more hands if, your bet selections are "hit" more than "miss".

Or else, you might lose your BR before you know it.

The choice is yours.

All of you should ask yourself this question, they're an average of 60-80 hands per shoe, should you continue playing this game if, you cannot win only 1-5 hands per shoe, with flat betting?

1,2 units are very easy.
using Eagalite system Unbal 6grouping

BBBPP betting last desicion B,bpbpbx no betting
with that system you will meet unbal more than bal.

Hi Egalite
Is It logical thinking? .
If I bet
p/b3-p/b 4 to make it 3-5 un bal
4-5 to make it 4-6 un bal,
5-6 to make it 5-7 un bal.
3-6,3-5,3-7 no bettig just waiting
More Un bal than Bal

I'm testing different methods for 1 unit per shoe as well.

One thing is certain, if you want 1 unit per shoe you must only bet 1 unit per shoe. Because if you do a two step progression and lose, now you're down 3 units. So, if you're gunning for 1 unit per shoe, you'll need 3 winning shoes to make up for one lost shoe.....that average sucks.

On the other hand, if you lose a play and wait for the next shoe, you only need one winning shoe to break even on that loss. I use to believe in progressions...now I'm not so sure. Because with a progression, one lost shoe means multiple units down. The stop win and stop loss when using a progression is usually lopsided, like, sw 4 sl8.......that can't work.

And Egalite, I searched the pitboss thread for your s2...I couldn't find it.

If you have figured out a way to win using that pitboss system...please enlighten me :0)

Originally Posted by punvit

From your profiles, I don't see why it's so hard for you to make 1 or 2 units per day or even per shoe, with one of your methods or systems.

What's the different between using a smaller unit size and a bigger unit size, when you're using the same method or system of play?

If, you can make 1 or 2 units in a smaller unit size, then you can do the same with a bigger unit size.

It's all based on the BR and comforts of a player.

For me, I prefer a bigger unit size (at least $100), so I can quit after 1 or a few units winnings or losing.

Compares to $10 or $25 unit sizes, most players would not stop playing since, the winnings are too small.

At times, you might lose to a certain shoe but, you still have a "good chance" to get it all back and win some units.

Progressions might help you to win more hands if, your bet selections are "hit" more than "miss".

Or else, you might lose your BR before you know it.

The choice is yours.

All of you should ask yourself this question, they're an average of 60-80 hands per shoe, should you continue playing this game if, you cannot win only 1-5 hands per shoe, with flat betting?

You are right about playing less hands. For me, I only do flat-betting, not 1-2 progression. I think it is safer for your bankroll. First bet, 1 unit if, win, your next bet is 1 unit. If, lose, your next bet is 1 unit. My bet unit size is only $100, not $400 like yours. Just think about it.

Next time people want to get carried away with themselves, they might think was else they have posted in the past. Thinking can be good for the soul!

As for winning 1 or 2 units per day, big units of course. How does anybody know they are going to win X bet out of X trials, of course they don't. So your playing bigger units and flat betting, and you happen to lose 4 bets or worst on the bounce. A good feeling!!! You might go home or continue playing, doesn't make a blind bit of difference when you place the next bet. I only hope you have even bigger units to back up the big units that you just lost, or very deep pockets.

df1969 - Anti-Streak play, (not necessarily unique to pitboss).

Wait for 2 decisions of the same side, BB, PP

Bet the opposite for 2 bets max (stop after 1st win), if you lose two bets, jump on the streak until it ends.

You are ignoring the chops (the ratio between 1's and 2's is too close according to the Zumma books).

You win against 2's, 3's, push on a 5 streak (assuming a negative progression is used), win against streaks of 6 and beyond, lose 3 bets against streaks of 4.


Here are the results for a batch of shoes I played Monday nite;

Shoe 1 = 15W/13L
Shoe 2 = 16W/8L
Shoe 3 = 20W/8L
Shoe 4 = 13W/12L
Shoe 5 = 15W/7L
Shoe 6 = 20W/13L

• df1969 - Anti-Streak play, (not necessarily unique to pitboss).
  
  Wait for 2 decisions of the same side, BB, PP
  
  Bet the opposite for 2 bets max (stop after 1st win), if you lose two bets, jump on the streak until it ends.
  
  You are ignoring the chops (the ratio between 1's and 2's is too close according to the Zumma books).
  
  You win against 2's, 3's, push on a 5 streak (assuming a negative progression is used), win against streaks of 6 and beyond, lose 3 bets against streaks of 4.
  
  
  Here are the results for a batch of shoes I played Monday nite;
  
  Shoe 1 = 15W/13L
  Shoe 2 = 16W/8L
  Shoe 3 = 20W/8L
  Shoe 4 = 13W/12L
  Shoe 5 = 15W/7L
  Shoe 6 = 20W/13L
  
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  Yeah, that's what he said to do.......bet 1 then double and then if 4 bet 1 unit on the 4 side.
  
  I've tried this every which way and nothing is working long term...at 50 or less shoes it crashes badly. the main problem is that every one loss is actually 4 losses because of the 2 step +1 progression.
  
  What is a negative progression? how do you push on 5 of a kind and only lose 3 on a 4?
  
  Lose 3 against a 4? Wouldn't be that you lose 4 against a 4 because you are betting an additional unit on the 4 to streak more?
  
  do you do this for a living? I think most who say they play baccarat professionally are full of shit, but from what I've seen of your posts I would believe that you do make a living at it.
  
  
  Anyway, thanks!
  
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