Thread: Eirescott's Grail - Final Edition

I put everything into a neat package - availabe in the attachments as a .pdf file - so-as-to incorporate the BP concept with the Grail concept and have it readable and presentable with an Appendix of 250 pre-fabricated sets.

This will be a refresher for some and a concise - structured manual for everyone. There is brand-new -winning - information in this manual as well.

It is in a .pdf file as an attachment at the bottom of this post. I tried to post it here, but it did not load properly and looked totally different than I want it to.

THIS WORKS!

FOR DETAILED SCORESHEETS MOVE FROM POST #7 ONWARD WITHIN THIS THREAD

EIRESCOTT

UPDATE: AFTER 186 SHOES-WORTH OF TESTS - SEE THROUGHOUT THE THREAD - A BASE-BET OF $100 HAS TOTALLED $23,602 BEFORE ANY POSSIBLE COMMISSIONS

thanks million... if I ever win.. i definitely will send you money.....

Eirescott, thank you so much for your generosity and hard work. I have always followed your work back from when you were discussing the S and D concept. I will comp you as soon as I get enough bread to do so.

One question, so why wouldn't we play until the 8th set to complete a series. Isn't it more likely to make a match the further into a series?

Vdealer

Here is a scoresheet showing the prefabricated sets on the left and the random sets to the right.

Included is pen-and-paper recordings.

This showed - with an up $1 down $1 progression and the LLMx a profit of $98 using $10 base units.

This is a 6 x 8-deck group of shoes.

EIRESCOTT

Eriescott you are the best ... we need more people like you in this forum ..
I think so far these is the best system .. thank you again Eirescott ..

Originally Posted by vdealer

Eirescott, thank you so much for your generosity and hard work. I have always followed your work back from when you were discussing the S and D concept. I will comp you as soon as I get enough bread to do so.

One question, so why wouldn't we play until the 8th set to complete a series. Isn't it more likely to make a match the further into a series?

Vdealer

It may....to test subtle variations is endless.

I found this worked so I furthered the testing.

This is where I'm at.

I've noticed other ways that even more money could likely be made - but I would need days-more worth of reviews and tests.

This is a continuation from post # 4.

I am using the system exactly as described.

--- $10 base bet. Up $1 each loss, down $1 each win.
--- My LLMx starts at $15 and goes up and down $5 at a time.
--- If a sheet is finished and the next bet to be is more than the base amount, it is "carried-over" to the next sheet as the starting bet.

There are several points where the final total - at the bottom of the page - is quite-a-bit less than the accrued high in the middle of the sheet.

This tells us that we can walk - after a few hours and a few shoes - any time we are averaging the expected shoe amount. This amount appears to be between 2 and 3 units per shoe.

The $10 base amount was used as it can be factored-up to whatever unit you use as your base.

I recommend having a bankroll of 100 times your base bet. Not because you are going to get to this point, just as a number to factor-in if you decide to increase your base-bet amount after several wins.

If you are using base $10 amounts and you have won $2000 over the past week or two, you may wish to increase your base to $15 or even $20 while using won money.

These 5 pages of tests - about 30 shoes - shows a profit [before commissions] of $469. This using only $10 base units, with a very minimal up/down 10% for the regular bets while losing and winning, along with the few LLMx bets which begin with $15 bets and up/down by $5 for each loss/win respectively.

These are but a few of the hundreds of tests I have done with this system.

Don't get stupid and don't miss the counting and totals. You have to be on the ball.

This works.......period!

Use it wisely my friends!

EIRESCOTT

Test 1 = +$98
Test 2 = +$37
Test 3 = +$46
Test 4 = +$115
Test 5 = +$173

Total for these 5 tests of 30 shoes = $469 using a very slight progression and the LLMx addition.

Here are two more sheets.

Each about 6 shoes.

With one of them - test 7 - I used a base $10 with up/down $2.

Here are the totals for these sheets

Test 6 = +$115
Test 7 = +$186
Test 8 = +$70
Test 9 = +$177

Total [24 shoes] = $548
Total of Tests 1 through 9 [54 shoes] = $1017 @ $10 units --- $10,170 @ $100 units

Sounds really promising.... great

i have few questions....

1) maybe we can use this on roulette Red/Black... ? but you think 0 will kill this?

2) what if we just strictly bet on LLMx betting? with big unit....

any thoughts on this?

thanks

Originally Posted by Joker

Sounds really promising.... great

Originally Posted by Joker

i have few questions....

1) maybe we can use this on roulette Red/Black... ? but you think 0 will kill this?

2) what if we just strictly bet on LLMx betting? with big unit....

any thoughts on this?

thanks

I'm not confident with roulette - You could bet the LLMx but you may wait for a few shoes for these.

These are the worst I've seen so far - after hundreds of shoes.

Still ahead with a small negative in one and a larger positive in the other.

Yes, there can be weak wins/shoes - but far more decent, good or great ones.

EIRESCOTT


Total of Tests 1 through 11 [66 shoes] = $1073 @ $10 units --- $10,730 @ $100 units

Here are some more.

30 Shoes

These were "frustrating" where we would have done a little better than break-even after commisions - maybe a little better.

Totals:

Test 12 = -$9
Test 13 = +$5
Test 14 = +$3
Test 15 = +$140
Test 16 = +$50
Total of these [30 shoes] = +$189

Total for all Tests:
1 to 16 = $1017 + $189 = $1206

Here is another 30 shoes

One of these was bad making the weak majority a balanced case.

The fact is - to date - the good series' net a decent profit.

It's acceptable to see one negative series out of 21.

This negative value is equivalent to the best positive result.

Totals:

Test 17 = +$152
Test 18 = -$256
Test 19 = -$5
Test 20 = +$63
Test 21 = +$62

Total = +$16

Total for all Tests:
1 to 21 = $1206 + $16 = $1222 @ $10/base-unit = $12,222 @ $100/base-unit

Here are more totals bringing the shoes tested to over 150.

Test 22 = +$122
Test 23 = +$94
Test 24 = +$154
Test 25 = -$10
Test 26 = +$156

Total of Tests 22 to 26 = $516 @ $10/base-unit : $5160 @ $100/base-unit.

Total of all 26 tests:
$1222 + $516 = $1738 @ $10/base-uint : $17,380 @ $100/base-unit

Tests 1 to 26 recapped:

Test 1 = +$98
Test 2 = +$37
Test 3 = +$46
Test 4 = +$115
Test 5 = +$173
Test 6 = +$115
Test 7 = +$186
Test 8 = +$70
Test 9 = +$177
Test 10 = -15
Test 11 = +$71
Test 12 = -$9
Test 13 = +$5
Test 14 = +$3
Test 15 = +$140
Test 16 = +$50
Test 17 = +$152
Test 18 = -$256
Test 19 = -$5
Test 20 = +$63
Test 21 = +$62
Test 22 = +$122
Test 23 = +$94
Test 24 = +$154
Test 25 = -$10
Test 26 = +$156

hello thank you for the testing... it still looks great...



do you have any losing limit? or play till end and see how goes?

thanks

Originally Posted by Joker

hello thank you for the testing... it still looks great...
do you have any losing limit? or play till end and see how goes?
thanks

More like a "winning limit" where if you want to take a break - or leave for the day - you quit at a point where you are up between 1 and 3 units per shoe average.

If you are averaging over 2 units a shoe, you are doing well - quit for a while and return.

You may have a day - or a stretch of several hours where you just can't get ahead - you're up and down and barely breaking-even.

Most "experts" would tell you that you are doing better than you should be doing if you are "even" after playing for several hours.

I say you are coasting and have hit a series of shoes that just won't give you the units.

As you can see by the totals, there was such a series amongst my tests.

One group of 6 shoes netted just over $250 in the hole. Which isn't bad - being down 25 units at some-point.

This is the worst out of testing over 150 shoes - not bad!

Eirescott

oh i see thanks....

how is your total testing with LLMx... is it profitable just playing that?

maybe put big unit for that since don't get that often... and if lose then carry to next chance of LLMx......

i have one more question..... you bet $2 more for gain/lose... but my local casino only let you bet $5 units.. so with $10 min table.. we have to put $15 .. can't put $12.....

Originally Posted by Joker

oh i see thanks....

Originally Posted by Joker

how is your total testing with LLMx... is it profitable just playing that?

maybe put big unit for that since don't get that often... and if lose then carry to next chance of LLMx......

i have one more question..... you bet $2 more for gain/lose... but my local casino only let you bet $5 units.. so with $10 min table.. we have to put $15 .. can't put $12.....

I can't advise you on something I haven't tested properly. If you are using $25 units on this table and upping by $5 you should be safe.

You could flat-bet the $10 if that is your maximum desirable base-unit level and consider increasing to $15 after 3 to 5 losses in a row.

These are only considerations - Again, I haven't tested this approach.

Scott

Originally Posted by eirescott

I'm not confident with roulette - You could bet the LLMx but you may wait for a few shoes for these.

what is LLMx

Originally Posted by fauzy

what is LLMx

Manual - Pg 4

Along with about 150 examples on the 150 shoes worth of snap-shots/thumbnails I posted above; perhaps you missed them?

Originally Posted by Joker

thanks million... if I ever win.. i definitely will send you money.....

no need !
if win
every body got money...ha ha...

thank you...

well, i think wait till LLMx isn't too fun because it takes while....

i like this system because won't hit disaster

if you play many many shoe and came ahead or plus minus 3 then it is awesome.. you can enjoy the game a lot.... usually any system after many shoe.. you get into huge trouble....

clap clap clap! nice!!! awesome work! you lessened the gamble out of gambling dramatically..question..on average how long does it take for you win a couple of units per shoe?

Originally Posted by eirescott

Manual - Pg 4

Along with about 150 examples on the 150 shoes worth of snap-shots/thumbnails I posted above; perhaps you missed them?

8 deck =60 hands including burn card

ppp pbp xxx xxx =4sets.... start 1st,2nd matching bet 3rd ..5 ..6..7sets.... =sets 21hands and then wait, all start from after 4sets
xxx.... 4sets .... 7 sets 21
xxx 7 sets 21
so a decks we bet 9 hands sometime N...M...
patience enough ,lose wait win wait

also..with regards to the sets..can we start the first set at anypoint in the shoe? will it matter if i start a set at lets say game20 vs if i looked at the first set at game 21? because if i start looking at game 20 and i see a match with set one and three.. i can avoid dead sets by starting at game 21 to take out matches in the first three sets

ex.

game20 starts with -----> p

ppp bpb ppp pbb p : set 1 and three would already match

if my starting point is game 21 the sets would look like this..

ppb pbp ppp bbp

no more match..and we can now take advantage of set 5


can i use your system like this? i believe this would save on time..id just have to look for four sets that dont match at what ever part of the shoe shoe and jump in ..as opposed to counting sets from the beginning and treating set one from game one...just my two cents...

Originally Posted by zachster

also..with regards to the sets..can we start the first set at anypoint in the shoe? will it matter if i start a set at lets say game20 vs if i looked at the first set at game 21? because if i start looking at game 20 and i see a match with set one and three.. i can avoid dead sets by starting at game 21 to take out matches in the first three sets

ex.

game20 starts with -----> p

ppp bpb ppp pbb p : set 1 and three would already match

if my starting point is game 21 the sets would look like this..

ppb pbp ppp bbp

no more match..and we can now take advantage of set 5


can i use your system like this? i believe this would save on time..id just have to look for four sets that dont match at what ever part of the shoe shoe and jump in ..as opposed to counting sets from the beginning and treating set one from game one...just my two cents...

without a room
1st to 10 th sets ...3 set of pbp 2 sets of pbb you meet pb x <--- how can you bet this

Hi Zacher Do you Play SBOBET is in your country,manila
How do you think it ,all play ,no one win

[QUOTE=Joker;26102]thank you...

well, i think wait till LLMx isn't too fun because it takes while....

wait in lose condition
or win condition.
Do you wait a for a girl 10 years, or switch the other, be honest
condition and paper is not the some

Originally Posted by fauzy

without a room
1st to 10 th sets ...3 set of pbp 2 sets of pbb you meet pb x <--- how can you bet this

Hi Zacher Do you Play SBOBET is in your country,manila
How do you think it ,all play ,no one win

sorry can you rephrase? i dont quite understand..thanks

Originally Posted by zachster

sorry can you rephrase? i dont quite understand..thanks

Do you know SBOBET online from manila

oh..sorry im not familiar..