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    Strategy B12


    These triggers work well individually or as a combination:



    BPPPP bet B (1 unit), If lose bet (2 units) next B

    PPPBP bet B (1 unit), If lose bet (2 units) next B

    The family of other Patterns are listed below.

    (ignore Ties)


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    Against Zumma 600 and Zumma 1000

    Hit Rate 52%

    ___________________________________

    Several bet opportunities per shoe.
    Can read shoe for virtual win first.

    Bet unit = $50+

    Shoe Target 1 Unit (2 Units)
    Shoe Stop -3 Units (-6 Units)

    Can be flat bet, but the 1,2 combination improves Baccarat result when Hits >= 51% over many trials.

    As an example, consider coin toss, even odds case, where 4 bet play of 2 H wins and 2 T Losses, giving all 50% win outcomes:

    W = Win, L = Loss
    1) L L W W (-1-2+1+1) = -1
    2) L W L W (-1+2-1+2) = +2
    3) L W W L (-1+2+1-1) = +1
    4) W L W L (+1-1+2-1) = +1
    5) W W L L (+1+1-1-2) = -1
    6) W L L W (+1-1-2+1) = -1
    __________
    +1 unit no stopping until 50% wins
    __________

    Of course, other outcomes exist, but this demonstrates by way of sample long term prospects of 1,2 progression for non-random coin toss with goal of attaining 50% Wins. (ex. LL over two tosses is subsumed by continuing betting until LLWW or continuing if a longer sequence is needed to resolve to 50% wins).
    nb. If such parity is maintained over many trials then it would not form a random set.

    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________

    No advantage is gained against a random set by 1,2 betting.This is readily tested against all 16 outcomes (i.e. including LLLL, LLLW etc. upto WWWW).
    Indeed for a fair coin we can expect the average divergence between Hs vs. Ts to increase as the square root of the number of coin flips, albeit Hs/(Hs+Ts) and Ts/(Hs+Ts) tends to 50%.

    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _________________

    The result does not rely on parity inside a shoe, nor over 4 bets as shown above.

    An adjusted version is to stay at bet 2 units until a win, whereupon you return to bet 1 unit.

    1) L L W W (-1-2+2+1) = 0
    2) L W L W (-1+2-1+2) = +2
    3) L W W L (-1+2+1-1) = +1
    4) W L W L (+1-1+2-1) = +1
    5) W W L L (+1+1-1-2) = -1
    6) W L L W (+1-1-2+2) = 0
    __________
    +3 units no stopping until 50% wins
    __________

    With an early stopping profit target =1 (bets in italics) we can increase our total from +3 to +5 units over all outcomes without experiencing all decisions.

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    Update on last 5 hand Patterns rich in Player decisions:

    Pattern Bet Units

    PPPPP bet B (1)
    PPPPPP bet B (2)

    BPPPP bet B (1)
    BPPPPP bet B (2)


    PBPPP bet B (1)
    PBPPPP bet B (2)

    PPBPP bet B (1)
    PPBPPP bet B (2)

    PPPBP bet B (1)
    PPPBPP bet B (2)


    PPPPB bet B (1)
    PPPPBP bet B (2)

    Recommended Patterns to play are in bold.

    Total Net Gain = +409.74 units (after 5% commission)
    Total Bets 27,815 bets (1,600 Zumma's Shoes) by taking all pattern matches.

    Approximately 1/4 unit gain per shoe.
    nb. We can double a 100 unit bankroll in 400 shoes.
    Drawdowns < 100 units

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    Testing

    MORE LIVE DATA TESTING (BEYOND ZUMMA) IS RECOMMENDED BEFORE PLAYING.
    To nulllify any curve fittiing influence on limited data set.

    nb. Test using actual casino live shoe data, not computer 'shuffle' generated -
    the latter involves an assumption of equivalence which may be erroneous.

    Land casinos have differing procedures in shoe preparation, so test against data from your casino.

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    Example of Shoe #1 in Zumma 600 for pattern:

    PPPBP bet B (1 unit) if Lose Bet B (2 units)



    (Bet in Bold B)

    BBBB
    P
    BBB
    PPPPPPP
    BB
    P
    BBB
    PP
    BBBB
    P
    B
    PPP
    BBBB
    PP
    BB
    P
    BB
    PPPPP
    BBB
    P
    B
    PPP
    BBB
    P
    BB
    PPPP
    B
    P

    BBB = +1

    Net Win 0.95 unit


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    Here is an example of a seemingly random game with intra-shoe bias.

    It shows how a gambler's edge is a function of his strategy, and that betting for patterns can change that edge is seemingly 'fair' or 'random' game.
    The House Edge is a separate issue, which assumes arbitrary bet placement.

    Consider a 4 card deck : Ace, 2, Q, K

    Values:
    Ace = 1
    2 = face value
    Q = K = Zero


    The game is simply to deal one card to Player P then one card to Bank B.

    Gambler choices:

    You can bet on either B or P to win
    Bet on Tie
    Make no bet


    The side B or P with highest card wins.
    If a tie then push on B or P bets, if bet on tie then win.

    For a 4 card deck we can have two games... per Shoe

    Here are all 12 outcomes for two games, with win outome in Bold type:


    Game #1 ..........Game #2

    1... 2...B.......... 0... 0...T
    1... 0...P.......... 2... 0...P
    1... 0...P.......... 0... 2...B
    0... 1...B.......... 0... 2...B
    0... 0...T.......... 1... 2...B
    0... 1...B.......... 2... 0...P
    0... 2...B.......... 1... 0...P
    0... 0...T.......... 2... 1...P
    0... 2...B.......... 0... 1...B
    2... 0...P.......... 0... 1...B
    2... 0...P.......... 1... 0...P
    2... 1...P.......... 0... 0...T

    nb. Q = K = 0 could just double for specific card in above outcomes.

    Total games = 2 per 4 card
    Total possible outcomes = 12
    Total number games = 2x12 = 24

    Counting all Player P wins = 10 Probability of P win = 10/20 = 1/2 (push on T)
    Counting all Bank B wins = 10 Probability of B win = 10/20 = 1/2 (push on T)
    Counting all Tie T wins = 4 Probability of T win = 4/24 = 1/6

    To make this a 'fair' game we can assign odds of evens 1:1 for B or P win where T is a push (no loss)

    To make a T wager 'fair' we can calculate payoff x:
    Where T wins 4 times and loses 20 times when B or P hit.

    4x- 20 = 0, x= 5, giving odds 5:1

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    So,

    any 1 unit bet on P expectation 1(1/2) - 1(1/2) = 0
    any 1 unit bet on B expectation 1(1/2) - 1(1/2) = 0
    any 1 unit bet on T expectation 5(1/6) - 1(5/6) = 0

    A House Edge = 0%

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    Any arbitrary bet (no strategy) will not give an edge is this seemingly 'random' game. The probabilities p(B) = 1/2, p(P)=1/2 and p(T)= 1/6 are analogous to those quoted when calculating the House Edge in Baccarat, except here we have 'fair' outcomes and no commission.

    In fact, playing a 'fair' game you may still lose, because of the drawdowns on gambler's bankroll - which a casino can easily withstand. Good money management will save you from losing, but not give an edge to win over time with table limits and/or limited bankroll.

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    But wait!

    Let's count the Intra-deck outcomes:

    Starting with P

    Game #1 ...... Game #2

    ...P..........P... = 2
    ...P..........B... = 2
    ...P..........T... = 1

    Probability T win (after P) = 1/5
    T Odds 5:1 (remain same)
    Expectation = 5(1/5) - 1(4/5) =1/5 or 20%


    Starting with B

    Game #1 ...... Game #2

    ...B..........P... = 2
    ...B..........B... = 2
    ...B..........T... = 1

    Probability T win (after B) = 1/5
    T Odds 5:1 (remain same)
    Expectation = 5(1/5) - 1(4/5) = 1/5 or 20%


    Starting with T

    Game #1 ...... Game #2

    ...T..........T... = 0

    Probability T win (after T) = 0

    ___________________________________________


    The probabilities and our edge have now changed for our Pattern strategy.

    So, by applying a strategy as follows:

    B bet T
    P bet T

    you will win on average 1/5 units, in this seemingly random game.
    (Ties are a good bet here, not so sure in real Baccarat?).

    A note of caution: a poor strategy such as T bet T does worse than arbitrary betting.

    ____________________________________________

    This example above, shows how the edge/expectation of a gambler depends on his strategy and not the House Edge. The latter assumes the gambler makes arbitrary bets and does not allow any intra-shoe bias etc.

    Moreover, if the shuffle was restricted then some of the 12 outcomes
    e.g. 1 2 0 0 could be more likely than others which could be exploited.

    Testing will help find advantage, if any.
    _____________________________________________

    Your Edge is a function of your strategy.

    _____________________________________________

    In real Baccarat the probabilities and expectations change as cards are drawn from the shoe. The cards have no memory in the same way a real coin has no memory, but a real coin is likely to be bias due to physical structure and toss action, so a simple same-as-last H bet H or T bet T strategy can give an edge at even odds. In fact, unlike an independent coin toss, the probabilities inside a Baccarat shoe are dependent on the cards that have already been drawn - an odds calculator will confirm this.
    This, in principle, gives credence to an experienced player's ability to 'read' a shoe whereby a rich information set of patterns can be assessed at some level without explicit calculation of changing probabilities.

    To quote: Randomness is a question of whether there exists a lack of bias or correlation.

    This is a probability issue. Few would argue that the card draw rules in Baccarat give a bias to Bank outcomes over many trial (without the payoff commission on Bank one would certainly beat the game by betting banker). On this basis we can argue that Baccarat is not a random game. Is it beatable? This is a question of expectation and whether the card draw rules or other factor give rise to bias which can be exploited by some strategy to give a positive expectation.



    "Don't play everything (or everytime); let some things go by.
    What you don't play can be more important than what you do."
    Thelonious Sphere Monk
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    Last edited by Steve; 01-01-2012 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Strategy B12

    (bet on Bank only, 1 unit, then 2 units)

    Having looked at various patterns against Zumma 600 & Zumma 1000, this one works well as combination:


    BPPPP bet B (1 unit), if Lose immediately bet (2 units) on next B and stop.

    (ignore Ties)
    ________________________________________________
    Flat bet results against zumma 600 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +1.25 units in 1666 bets. Expectation = 0.075% (almost parity)

    Confirmed by:
    Flat bet results against zumma 1000 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +88.25 units in 3022 bets. Expectation = 2.920%
    ________________________________________________

    A combined expecation +89.5/4688 = 1.91%

    ________________________________________________



    Few bet opportunities per shoe: Need reasonable bet unit size.

    Bet unit = $50+

    Shoe Target 1 Unit
    Shoe Stop -3 Units

    Can be flat bet, but the 1,2 combination helps in near parity situations where wins >= losses.

    As example consider all 6 parity outcomes over four bets (i.e. 2W = 2L):

    W = Win, L = Loss (bold denotes completed 1,2 bet sequence)

    1) LL W W (-1-2+1+1) = -1
    2) LW LW (-1+2-1+2) = +2
    3) LW W L (-1+2+1-1) = +1
    4) W LW L (+1-1+2-1) = +1
    5) W W LL (+1+1-1-2) = -1
    6) W LL W (+1-1-2+1) = -1
    __________
    +1 unit (- vig.)
    __________

    If such parity is maintained over many trials then it would not form a random set (no advantage is gained against a random set by 1,2 betting). The result does not rely on parity inside a shoe, nor over 4 bets as shown above.

    Further testing is needed on separate live data to improve confidence of this result, and to nullify any reverse engineering/curve fitting influence from limited data set.
    Interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Strategy B12

    (bet on Bank only, 1 unit, then 2 units)

    Having looked at various patterns against Zumma 600 & Zumma 1000, this one works well as combination:


    BPPPP bet B (1 unit), if Lose immediately bet (2 units) on next B and stop.

    (ignore Ties)
    ________________________________________________
    Flat bet results against zumma 600 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +1.25 units in 1666 bets. Expectation = 0.075% (almost parity)

    Confirmed by:
    Flat bet results against zumma 1000 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +88.25 units in 3022 bets. Expectation = 2.920%
    ________________________________________________

    A combined expecation +89.5/4688 = 1.91%

    ________________________________________________



    Few bet opportunities per shoe: Need reasonable bet unit size.

    Bet unit = $50+

    Shoe Target 1 Unit
    Shoe Stop -3 Units

    Can be flat bet, but the 1,2 combination helps in near parity situations where wins >= losses.

    As example consider all 6 parity outcomes over four bets (i.e. 2W = 2L):

    W = Win, L = Loss (bold denotes completed 1,2 bet sequence)

    1) LL W W (-1-2+1+1) = -1
    2) LW LW (-1+2-1+2) = +2
    3) LW W L (-1+2+1-1) = +1
    4) W LW L (+1-1+2-1) = +1
    5) W W LL (+1+1-1-2) = -1
    6) W LL W (+1-1-2+1) = -1
    __________
    +1 unit (- vig.)
    __________

    If such parity is maintained over many trials then it would not form a random set (no advantage is gained against a random set by 1,2 betting). The result does not rely on parity inside a shoe, nor over 4 bets as shown above.

    Further testing is needed on separate live data to improve confidence of this result, and to nullify any reverse engineering/curve fitting influence from limited data set.
    do you mean PPPP 4 P and then bet b lose bet B again 2 u
    wait for 4 PPPP

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    Hi,

    Wait for BPPPP then bet 1 unit B, and if lose, then bet 2 units on B for next hand, so no need to wait for BPPPP again to make second bet.

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    Steve,

    so you are betting that 4 wont become 5? and bet 1 unit, if it goes to 5 meaning ppppp, then bet 2 units right after? am i correct?

    what happens after that? do you wait for the same trigger BPPPP? in order to start the betting again?

    thanks for sharing,


    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Hi,

    Wait for BPPPP then bet 1 unit B, and if lose, then bet 2 units on B for next hand, so no need to wait for BPPPP again to make second bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Hi,

    Wait for BPPPP then bet 1 unit B, and if lose, then bet 2 units on B for next hand, so no need to wait for BPPPP again to make second bet.

    lose 3 u a shoe
    means change table
    and thnen BPPP bet B twice ?

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    Steve, am I reading this correctly? In Zumma 600 you made 1.25 units in 1665 bets or .0021 units per shoe (1.25/600)?

    And in Zumma 1000 you made 85.25 units in 3022 bets or about .085 units per shoe (85.25/1000)?

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    according to wizard of odds, you need about 34,000 bets to prove anything, you need to more testing if you only have 5000

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    Quote Originally Posted by grassshopper View Post
    Steve,

    so you are betting that 4 wont become 5? and bet 1 unit, if it goes to 5 meaning ppppp, then bet 2 units right after? am i correct?

    what happens after that? do you wait for the same trigger BPPPP? in order to start the betting again?

    thanks for sharing,

    Hi Grasshopper

    That's correct...

    you can wait for same trigger BPPPP to start the betting again, but I would only do so on winning the first sequence as you now have evidence in shoe of pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fauzy View Post
    lose 3 u a shoe
    means change table
    and thnen BPPP bet B twice ?
    If lose 3 unit I would change table.

    Before you bet you could also wait to see evidence of BPPPP B pattern in shoe, then wait for next occurance, but there are only few such patterns in a shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EhtelGaeb View Post
    Steve, am I reading this correctly? In Zumma 600 you made 1.25 units in 1665 bets or .0021 units per shoe (1.25/600)?


    And in Zumma 1000 you made 85.25 units in 3022 bets or about .085 units per shoe (85.25/1000)?
    Hi

    Those were the findings with mechanical flat betting 1,1...yes... I have added results for 1,2 bet sequence now in post #1.

    With mechanical testing, the percentages are typically only 1 or so percent advantage... to overcome a similarly small negative house edge.
    Last edited by Steve; 09-30-2010 at 09:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tands411 View Post
    according to wizard of odds, you need about 34,000 bets to prove anything, you need to more testing if you only have 5000
    The patterns are infrequent and so bet opportunities also infrequent, so I agree more testing would build confidence in results... ultimately I would say test on your live shoe data. But, the Zumma gives a good basis on which to see potential patterns worth exploring. I would not use RNG for testing only live data to better emulate real casino conditions.

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    Excuse me if I sound stupid here but what good is this? 1 unit per shoe? Minus your commission, you would have to bet 500 on the 1st bet, 1k on the 2nd one and hope you dont lose right off the bat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    If lose 3 unit I would change table.

    Before you bet you could also wait to see evidence of BPPPP B pattern in shoe, then wait for next occurance, but there are only few such patterns in a shoe.
    I waited for Bppp then 1,2,4 a lose streak 8
    and go around table, waste time

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    Steve

    I know that your Zumma test sounds like a big sample, but if I am reading this correctly, the pattern you are looking for doesn't occur often enough to call this a valid test.

    Actually, I tried the bet bank after 3 player, with one double up on a loss several times on my own computer and live shoe, sorry to say that after commission, a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    Excuse me if I sound stupid here but what good is this? 1 unit per shoe? Minus your commission, you would have to bet 500 on the 1st bet, 1k on the 2nd one and hope you dont lose right off the bat?

    Daytrader

    Well the casino edge as we know is just over a mere 1% but the casino drop far exceeds that figure because of the amount of winnings that are rebet, here we have a preliminary result which is in reverse in favor of the player.

    I think mechanical testing a Baccarat strategy will typically give these low percentages. I do not know of any positive expectation strategy with higher expectations other than 1 or 2% if played mechanically. If the player can adapt to table conditions so much the better.

    The bet selection could be part of a wider bet selection arsenal.

    Also, the 1,2 bet sequence could be applied to another strategy with more table action if preferred.

    Those were the findings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Profbac View Post
    Steve

    I know that your Zumma test sounds like a big sample, but if I am reading this correctly, the pattern you are looking for doesn't occur often enough to call this a valid test.

    Actually, I tried the bet bank after 3 player, with one double up on a loss several times on my own computer and live shoe, sorry to say that after commission, a loser.
    I agree the sample size is not exhaustive, as mentioned in the first post more testing is needed, but those were findings for both zumma data sets.

    I would not bet after 3 player, because that gave significant negative results in testing... in fact all 1s, 2s, 3s and 4 hand patterns were negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fauzy View Post
    I waited for Bppp then 1,2,4 a lose streak 8
    and go around table, waste time
    Fauzy
    I would not bet after PPP only.

    Wait to see BPPPPB first in shoe then BPPPP bet B to exploit repeats.
    Last edited by Steve; 09-30-2010 at 08:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Strategy B12

    (bet on Bank only, 1 unit, then 2 units)

    Having looked at various patterns against Zumma 600 & Zumma 1000, this one works well as combination:


    BPPPP bet B (1 unit), if Lose immediately bet (2 units) on next B and stop.

    (ignore Ties)
    ________________________________________________
    Flat bet results against zumma 600 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +1.25 units in 1666 bets. Expectation = 0.075% (almost parity)

    Confirmed by:
    Flat bet results against zumma 1000 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +88.25 units in 3022 bets. Expectation = 2.920%
    ________________________________________________

    A combined expecation +89.5/4688 = 1.91%

    ________________________________________________



    Few bet opportunities per shoe: Need reasonable bet unit size.

    Bet unit = $50+

    Shoe Target 1 Unit
    Shoe Stop -3 Units

    Can be flat bet, but the 1,2 combination helps in near parity situations where wins >= losses.

    As example consider all 6 parity outcomes over four bets (i.e. 2W = 2L):

    W = Win, L = Loss (bold denotes completed 1,2 bet sequence)

    1) LL W W (-1-2+1+1) = -1
    2) LW LW (-1+2-1+2) = +2
    3) LW W L (-1+2+1-1) = +1
    4) W LW L (+1-1+2-1) = +1
    5) W W LL (+1+1-1-2) = -1
    6) W LL W (+1-1-2+1) = -1
    __________
    +1 unit (- vig.)
    __________

    If such parity is maintained over many trials then it would not form a random set (no advantage is gained against a random set by 1,2 betting). The result does not rely on parity inside a shoe, nor over 4 bets as shown above.

    Further testing is needed on separate live data to improve confidence of this result, and to nullify any reverse engineering/curve fitting influence from limited data set.

    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________________________

    Update on last 5 hand Patterns rich in Player decisions:

    Pattern Bet Units

    PPPPP bet B 1
    PPPPPP bet B 2

    BPPPP bet B 1
    BPPPPP bet B 2

    PBPPP bet B 1
    PBPPPP bet B 2

    PPBPP bet B 1
    PPBPPP bet B 2

    PPPBP bet B 1
    PPPBPP bet B 2

    PPPPB bet B 1
    PPPPBP bet B 2

    Total Net Gain = +409.74 units in 27,815 bets. 51.60% Hit Rate

    (the equivalent bets on Bank or Player when last 5 hands rich in Bs gave negative results overall)
    PbbbP bet ?
    BBpBB bet ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    Strategy B12

    (bet on Bank only, 1 unit, then 2 units)

    Having looked at various patterns against Zumma 600 & Zumma 1000, this one works well as combination:


    BPPPP bet B (1 unit), if Lose immediately bet (2 units) on next B and stop.

    (ignore Ties)
    ________________________________________________
    Flat bet results against zumma 600 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +1.25 units in 1666 bets. Expectation = 0.075% (almost parity)

    Confirmed by:
    Flat bet results against zumma 1000 (only intra-shoe patterns):

    +88.25 units in 3022 bets. Expectation = 2.920%
    ________________________________________________

    A combined expecation +89.5/4688 = 1.91%

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    Few bet opportunities per shoe: Need reasonable bet unit size.

    Bet unit = $50+

    Shoe Target 1 Unit
    Shoe Stop -3 Units

    Can be flat bet, but the 1,2 combination helps in near parity situations where wins >= losses.

    As example consider all 6 parity outcomes over four bets (i.e. 2W = 2L):

    W = Win, L = Loss (bold denotes completed 1,2 bet sequence)

    1) LL W W (-1-2+1+1) = -1
    2) LW LW (-1+2-1+2) = +2
    3) LW W L (-1+2+1-1) = +1
    4) W LW L (+1-1+2-1) = +1
    5) W W LL (+1+1-1-2) = -1
    6) W LL W (+1-1-2+1) = -1
    __________
    +1 unit (- vig.)
    __________

    If such parity is maintained over many trials then it would not form a random set (no advantage is gained against a random set by 1,2 betting). The result does not rely on parity inside a shoe, nor over 4 bets as shown above.

    Further testing is needed on separate live data to improve confidence of this result, and to nullify any reverse engineering/curve fitting influence from limited data set.

    __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________________________________

    Update on last 5 hand Patterns rich in Player decisions:

    Pattern Bet Units

    PPPPP bet B 1
    PPPPPP bet B 2

    BPPPP bet B 1
    BPPPPP bet B 2

    PBPPP bet B 1
    PBPPPP bet B 2

    PPBPP bet B 1
    PPBPPP bet B 2

    PPPBP bet B 1
    PPPBPP bet B 2

    PPPPB bet B 1
    PPPPBP bet B 2

    Total Net Gain = +409.74 units in 27,815 bets. 51.60% Hit Rate

    (the equivalent bets on Bank or Player when last 5 hands rich in Bs gave negative results overall)
    pbbp Bet ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fauzy View Post
    pbbp Bet ?
    (bbppp)
    (bppbp )2 b 3p bet ?
    or only 4p 1 b

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    Quote Originally Posted by fauzy View Post
    (bbppp)
    (bppbp )2 b 3p bet ?
    or only 4p 1 b
    how about 4 p 2 b bet?

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    Default Re: Strategy B12

    Quote Originally Posted by fauzy View Post
    how about 4 p 2 b bet?
    Fauzy


    Yes, I think good way to avoid long PPPPPPPPPs streaks is to wait for:

    PPPPB then Bet B (1) unit and if lose then bet B 2 unit and stop.

    I have added first shoe from Zumma in post #1 as example.

    Steve

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    ________________________________________________



    Pattern Bet Units

    PPPPP bet B 1
    PPPPPP bet B 2

    BPPPP bet B 1
    BPPPPP bet B 2

    PBPPP bet B 1
    PBPPPP bet B 2

    PPBPP bet B 1
    PPBPPP bet B 2

    PPPBP bet B 1
    PPPBPP bet B 2

    PPPPB bet B 1
    PPPPBP bet B 2

    Total Net Gain = +409.74 units in 27,815 bets. 51.60% Hit Rate

    (the equivalent bets on Bank or Player when last 5 hands rich in Bs gave negative results overall)

    __________________________________________________ ____________________________________________

    To avoid long PPPPPPPPs streaks, wait for pattern PPPPB then Bet B ( 1 unit) and if lose Bet B (2 units) and stop.

    Here is first shoe from Zumma 600, as example:

    (Bets in Bold B)

    BBBB
    P
    BB
    B<--
    PPPP<-- PPP do you bet? this pattern
    BB bet B win +1
    P
    BBB
    PP
    BBBB
    P
    B
    PPP
    BBBB
    PP
    BB
    P
    B(B
    PPPP)P <---- bet ?
    BBB win +1
    P
    B
    PPP
    BBB
    P
    BB
    PPPP
    B
    P lose -1
    BBB win +2

    Net Win + 3 units (-vig)[/QUOTE]

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    Default Re: Strategy B12

    fauzy can u explain it again with bit more information?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fauzy View Post
    ________________________________________________



    pattern bet units

    ppppp bet b 1
    pppppp bet b 2

    bpppp bet b 1
    bppppp bet b 2

    pbppp bet b 1
    pbpppp bet b 2

    ppbpp bet b 1
    ppbppp bet b 2

    pppbp bet b 1
    pppbpp bet b 2

    ppppb bet b 1
    ppppbp bet b 2

    total net gain = +409.74 units in 27,815 bets. 51.60% hit rate

    (the equivalent bets on bank or player when last 5 hands rich in bs gave negative results overall)

    __________________________________________________ ____________________________________________

    to avoid long pppppppps streaks, wait for pattern ppppb then bet b ( 1 unit) and if lose bet b (2 units) and stop.

    Here is first shoe from zumma 600, as example:

    (bets in bold b)

    bbbb
    p
    bb
    b<--
    pppp<-- ppp do you bet? This pattern bpppp<---
    bb bet b win +1
    pzl
    bbb
    pp
    bbbb
    p
    b
    ppp
    bbbb
    pp
    bb
    p
    b(b
    pppp)p <---- bet ?alsobpppp pattern
    bbb win +1
    p
    b
    ppp
    bbb
    p
    bb
    pppp
    b
    p lose -1
    bbb win +2

    net win + 3 units (-vig)
    [/quote]

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    Default Re: Strategy B12

    basically wait PPPP 4 or more streak and B show up and bet next B.. lose and double up.......


    I sort of done this type of betting... it is on and off.. it is really depends on shoes....

    sometimes I get many of PPPPPBP

    but I agree with betting B on this one.... usually bank get double or chap will come after long streak.....

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    Default Re: Strategy B12

    joker what kind of betting u do now

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    Default Re: Strategy B12

    Quote Originally Posted by fauzy View Post
    ________________________________________________



    Pattern Bet Units

    PPPPP bet B 1
    PPPPPP bet B 2

    BPPPP bet B 1
    BPPPPP bet B 2

    PBPPP bet B 1
    PBPPPP bet B 2

    PPBPP bet B 1
    PPBPPP bet B 2

    PPPBP bet B 1
    PPPBPP bet B 2

    PPPPB bet B 1
    PPPPBP bet B 2

    Total Net Gain = +409.74 units in 27,815 bets. 51.60% Hit Rate

    (the equivalent bets on Bank or Player when last 5 hands rich in Bs gave negative results overall)

    __________________________________________________ ____________________________________________

    To avoid long PPPPPPPPs streaks, wait for pattern PPPPB then Bet B ( 1 unit) and if lose Bet B (2 units) and stop.

    Here is first shoe from Zumma 600, as example:

    (Bets in Bold B)

    BBBB
    P
    BB
    B<--
    PPPP<-- PPP do you bet? this pattern I bet PPPPB bet B
    BB bet B win +1
    P
    BBB
    PP
    BBBB
    P
    B
    PPP
    BBBB
    PP
    BB
    P
    B(B
    PPPP)P <---- bet ? ...PPPPB bet B
    BBB win +1
    P
    B
    PPP
    BBB
    P
    BB
    PPPP
    B
    P lose -1
    BBB win +2

    Net Win + 3 units (-vig)
    [/QUOTE]

    To avoid long Ps streaks use ...PPPPB bet B (1 unit) if lose bet B (2units)

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    Default Re: Strategy B12

    Quote Originally Posted by sillykiddo View Post
    joker what kind of betting u do now
    Joker has it correct...

    combined patterns listed in post #1 gave positive results.

    From point of view of avoiding long streaks I bet after pattern ...

    PPPPB bet B (1 unit) if lose bet B (2 units).

    So if you see PPPPPPPPPPPPB we have trigger to bet B.
    Last edited by Steve; 10-07-2010 at 09:04 AM.

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