Thread: I'm in Real Trouble: Losing Streak

Since the 19 of aug til present moment I have basically been in a losing streak, ya i have won a couple of days only to be killed the following day to negate what i won during them sessions. My bankroll has been totally decimated and almost depleted to a point of total embarrassment to level of play of what I use to play, and i am on verge of a ...umm i dunno, im really moody and losing my patience very fast. Any assistance would be helpful. I have gone from $1000 to 100, then 50 now to 25 and still cannot win 2 hands in a row or be defeated by 1 point whereas I get an 8 and the opposing gets a 9. In essence I have about $500 bankroll left OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would it be too much of a stretch to ask just how your playing and why your losing?

Any shoes to post up?

Are playing online or a brick and mortar casino? I trust online casinos as far as I can throw he Empire State building.

Play at a real casino

Originally Posted by tomddxx

Are playing online or a brick and mortar casino? I trust online casinos as far as I can throw he Empire State building.

I have no idea of why I am losing, maybe it eems i lose like 5 hands to 6 hands in a row and then all hell breaks lose, always being beaten say if i get a 8 for banker or player, the opposite gets a 9 etc. Myabe i chase my losses in frustartion then i am finished. Try following trends does me no good , I dont know....i wish i had the shoes but in my frustration just tore up the results i had. just cant produce any winnings at all.

Originally Posted by TSetAim

Would it be too much of a stretch to ask just how your playing and why your losing?

Any shoes to post up?

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

Since the 19 of aug til present moment I have basically been in a losing streak, ya i have won a couple of days only to be killed the following day to negate what i won during them sessions. My bankroll has been totally decimated and almost depleted to a point of total embarrassment to level of play of what I use to play, and i am on verge of a ...umm i dunno, im really moody and losing my patience very fast. Any assistance would be helpful. I have gone from $1000 to 100, then 50 now to 25 and still cannot win 2 hands in a row or be defeated by 1 point whereas I get an 8 and the opposing gets a 9. In essence I have about $500 bankroll left OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do yourself a favor and take a break from all forms of gambling whatsoever. Engage in healthy activities, meet new people who are not a part of your gambling circle. Put all of this aside for the time being. Remember: numbers and money are abstract concepts and not your ultimate reality. Your bankroll is not who you essentially are. You will thank yourself later if you follow this advice.

I am no expert by any means, but I think you are playing under a lot of pressure! and not one of us plays well when we are on a loosing streak...

I think you should take a break from the game, so you can enjoy it again.... perhaps you dont enjoy the game any more, if that is the case it is better to take a step back and regroup....

dont let this ruin the other aspects of your life such as family, job etc... we all know that gambling can become dangerous if it gets out of hand... dont let it get out of hand... take a break from the game...

my 2 cents....

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

Since the 19 of aug til present moment I have basically been in a losing streak, ya i have won a couple of days only to be killed the following day to negate what i won during them sessions. My bankroll has been totally decimated and almost depleted to a point of total embarrassment to level of play of what I use to play, and i am on verge of a ...umm i dunno, im really moody and losing my patience very fast. Any assistance would be helpful. I have gone from $1000 to 100, then 50 now to 25 and still cannot win 2 hands in a row or be defeated by 1 point whereas I get an 8 and the opposing gets a 9. In essence I have about $500 bankroll left OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am going to give you some advice. You can either take it in and chose to digest it, or, disregard it based on the negative stuff posted about me on this forum. In either case, I'm a warrior, so I'll post it anyway. Most people that I tell this to, begin to realize that I am right, and act accordingly. You are one of the MANY who experience this. Some people, it takes them a VERY long time to eventually experience this. Some people, it happens to them so BADLY, that it seems as if the casinos are targeting them individually, and making THEIR specific results, wherever they wagered, to be the losing side. Yeah, it gets SO bad, that people find themselves making a fortune off them, betting against them (this is where the idea for that system of betting against losers came about).

Consider this theory and it may help you decide to get OUT of playing baccarat or? To play ONLY a certain way. Consider that the "house edge" is an "entity". With a memory and a certain place for each and every gambler in its "memory". Know that the "house" "entity" is ALWAYS on the casino's side. And no matter what system you use, or what you do, YOUR bets, will lose more than they win. IF, you've been a decent, or big, winner in the past for a long time, or even a short time. Consider this entity to be VERY, VERY, cold and VERY, VERY, greedy. So, when you may think, it's time for you to start winning again? To make it 50/50? And "fair"? Think again. The entity, or, the "house" does NOT care about you at all.

As crazy as that sounds, the math and the fact that casinos lace the decks in baccarat to get an extra edge, make this all very true. Mathematically speaking (without sounding like a spiritual maniac) each person, individually, has a negative potential in baccarat once stepping in the casino. In every game. For instance, it's like flipping a coin, that has extra weight on one side. You may get lucky for a LONG time, and STILL manage to have it land on the lighter side.....but, eventually, it will land on the heavier side. MANY more times than it does on the lighter side. And as times goes by, the heavier side will continue to get heavier, for YOU.

Accept the loss, never gamble again, move on, and try to make the money elsewhere? Or adapt an Individually "house less" form of gambling. I'll let you in on a way that I helped a guy who lost $600k to baccarat, recover it back PLUS an extra $250k. He still plays to this day. Lucky for him, the $600k wasn't all he had. This is the only way I know a "loser" by the "houses assault" can recover any money. He came back to the casino with $150k and all I told him to do was to use a "follow and against" style of play. Totally flat betting. Wait for anyone at a table to lose once and go against them until they win two times in a row. Wait for anyone to win two times in a row and follow them until they lose once. Very simple. You have to remain disciplined. And you have to MAKE sure, that the person you are following, or going against, makes their OWN decision, and not a decision based off of someone else on the table. So make sure you follow their eyes very closely.

As crazy as this sounds. It worked for him. He made back his $600k, plus $250k!

Bottom line...don't use any system, or any style of play you come up with on your own. If that's the case, just quit gambling, because any style YOU develop, will lose, since you are a loser. I'm warning you. No matter how good what you think you created is, you are a loser, and you will lose! This way of play I suggested above? Is based off of OTHER's losing or winning.

1. Take a break from this. You have the "fever".
Sevenshooter is right.

2. Stop playing on line. Too easy to click away.

3. Try a different game that requires a different skill. Baccarat is very fast and about streaks. Try something like PIa Gow, slower, and you have to think about the hands. The pace is different, and may be less of a problem.

4. Rebuild your bankroll, but not from borrowings.
What is lost is gone. Regroup and start over.

Good luck.

In order to get through a losing streak you should only bet around 1% of bankroll as a rule-of-thumb. That is bankroll available to risk not necessarily money with you at casino.

To bet $1000 would mean bankroll of $100,000


Also, it is important for emotional and tactical reasons to have a shoe profit target... so when target reached you quit shoe. To quote from John Haigh's book 'Taking Chances' on page 195:

If you do not set any upper limit at which you would quit, it is certain that you will eventually be bankrupt, even when there is no edge for house.

If the strategy isn't working for you... look for a simpler strategy on this forum, after a period of rest.

say if i get a 8 for banker or player, the opposite gets a 9 etc.

I had a day like that on Monday. You are not alone don't worry. I was -5 and I kept getting beat 9-8 or 8-7. It was crazy. at that point I thought about walking away but I stopped betting and waited I ended up finishing +4. Do you ever just stop and sit on your hands? You can't lose money that way. Betting every hand is bad because if you lose 5-6 in a row you can get tunnel vision and lose sight of your end goal. I have been there before and it is not fun.
That same night I saw a guy have the same problem that you were having. He couldn't win one hand even when he tried playing against himself. His best option would have been to either stop and wait, follow someone, or better..walk away and return another day.

When things go bad for me its always the same........ if I bet player and player gets a 6, its guaranteed the dealer will flip over a 10 and 7 for the banker...never fails. Just have to deal with it.

Also another favorite is when I bet player and dealer turns over a 10 and 8 for player, then turns a 2 for the banker, then here comes the 7 on the next card.
I can always see it coming.......never seems to go the other way in my favor.

Your advice is sound but i do not recall saying an negative things about you in this forum. I appreciate your advice. ANd yes it does seem the house entity is out personally for me lol i casn laugh about it now but your right. It seemed the casino launched a conspiracy targeted and directed towards me when it came to my betting. And yes its so bad when i place my bet people bet against me. "..casinos lace the decks in baccarat to get an extra edge.." you have that correct kinda cheating if you ask me, it suppose to be a fair and honest game, but it never is. I know that from my eperience. I shall take your advice and do as you suggest and see what happens , after a day or two or so off. I shall try and rebuild. It will take time but with patience i know it can be accomplished.

Originally Posted by Thegoal

I am going to give you some advice. You can either take it in and chose to digest it, or, disregard it based on the negative stuff posted about me on this forum. In either case, I'm a warrior, so I'll post it anyway. Most people that I tell this to, begin to realize that I am right, and act accordingly. You are one of the MANY who experience this. Some people, it takes them a VERY long time to eventually experience this. Some people, it happens to them so BADLY, that it seems as if the casinos are targeting them individually, and making THEIR specific results, wherever they wagered, to be the losing side. Yeah, it gets SO bad, that people find themselves making a fortune off them, betting against them (this is where the idea for that system of betting against losers came about).

Consider this theory and it may help you decide to get OUT of playing baccarat or? To play ONLY a certain way. Consider that the "house edge" is an "entity". With a memory and a certain place for each and every gambler in its "memory". Know that the "house" "entity" is ALWAYS on the casino's side. And no matter what system you use, or what you do, YOUR bets, will lose more than they win. IF, you've been a decent, or big, winner in the past for a long time, or even a short time. Consider this entity to be VERY, VERY, cold and VERY, VERY, greedy. So, when you may think, it's time for you to start winning again? To make it 50/50? And "fair"? Think again. The entity, or, the "house" does NOT care about you at all.

As crazy as that sounds, the math and the fact that casinos lace the decks in baccarat to get an extra edge, make this all very true. Mathematically speaking (without sounding like a spiritual maniac) each person, individually, has a negative potential in baccarat once stepping in the casino. In every game. For instance, it's like flipping a coin, that has extra weight on one side. You may get lucky for a LONG time, and STILL manage to have it land on the lighter side.....but, eventually, it will land on the heavier side. MANY more times than it does on the lighter side. And as times goes by, the heavier side will continue to get heavier, for YOU.

Accept the loss, never gamble again, move on, and try to make the money elsewhere? Or adapt an Individually "house less" form of gambling. I'll let you in on a way that I helped a guy who lost $600k to baccarat, recover it back PLUS an extra $250k. He still plays to this day. Lucky for him, the $600k wasn't all he had. This is the only way I know a "loser" by the "houses assault" can recover any money. He came back to the casino with $150k and all I told him to do was to use a "follow and against" style of play. Totally flat betting. Wait for anyone at a table to lose once and go against them until they win two times in a row. Wait for anyone to win two times in a row and follow them until they lose once. Very simple. You have to remain disciplined. And you have to MAKE sure, that the person you are following, or going against, makes their OWN decision, and not a decision based off of someone else on the table. So make sure you follow their eyes very closely.

As crazy as this sounds. It worked for him. He made back his $600k, plus $250k!

Bottom line...don't use any system, or any style of play you come up with on your own. If that's the case, just quit gambling, because any style YOU develop, will lose, since you are a loser. I'm warning you. No matter how good what you think you created is, you are a loser, and you will lose! This way of play I suggested above? Is based off of OTHER's losing or winning.

Well that use to be my bankroll, but now my bets will be like $25 until i rebuild. I have like umm not much left now...I left everyday ater so much losses thinking it would change but it didnt..so now i am down and not out just have to play smarter and play slowly and methodically

Originally Posted by Steve

In order to get through a losing streak you should only bet around 1% of bankroll as a rule-of-thumb. That is bankroll available to risk not necessarily money with you at casino.

To bet $1000 would mean bankroll of $100,000


Also, it is important for emotional and tactical reasons to have a shoe profit target... so when target reached you quit shoe. To quote from John Haigh's book 'Taking Chances' on page 195:

If you do not set any upper limit at which you would quit, it is certain that you will eventually be bankrupt, even when there is no edge for house.

If the strategy isn't working for you... look for a simpler strategy on this forum, after a period of rest.

Yes indeed alot of pressure right now, i intend to regroup. And your right i use to have alot of fun at this, until i began losing.

Originally Posted by grassshopper

I am no expert by any means, but I think you are playing under a lot of pressure! and not one of us plays well when we are on a loosing streak...

I think you should take a break from the game, so you can enjoy it again.... perhaps you dont enjoy the game any more, if that is the case it is better to take a step back and regroup....

dont let this ruin the other aspects of your life such as family, job etc... we all know that gambling can become dangerous if it gets out of hand... dont let it get out of hand... take a break from the game...

my 2 cents....

bacplayer

Yes, strategy is a personal thing. What help me was flat betting, only several times in a shoe with a fixed profit target. Hope you can take something from all the posts.

(Money Management, discipline etc. are part of good strategy but alone will not give you an edge to win in the long run.
Progressions will also not give that edge. If you can find shoe bias, then possible to win > losing bets by flat betting.)

Steve

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

Your advice is sound but i do not recall saying an negative things about you in this forum. I appreciate your advice. ANd yes it does seem the house entity is out personally for me lol i casn laugh about it now but your right. It seemed the casino launched a conspiracy targeted and directed towards me when it came to my betting. And yes its so bad when i place my bet people bet against me. "..casinos lace the decks in baccarat to get an extra edge.." you have that correct kinda cheating if you ask me, it suppose to be a fair and honest game, but it never is. I know that from my eperience. I shall take your advice and do as you suggest and see what happens , after a day or two or so off. I shall try and rebuild. It will take time but with patience i know it can be accomplished.

Not you, just some other members on this forum.

I'm glad you will take my advice. I hope things do turn around.

It sure is nice to see all the encouraging posts here.

I do sympathize with bacplayer2010 situation. Sucks to take big hits like that. But let’s get real. He lost control, maybe chased, probably did not follow his own plan. Been there done that! One thing TheGoal said that I agree with and think we should all recognize. We are going to lose more hands than we win in this game. This means for every losing bet we need a winning bet that exceeds that losing bet.

I know it can seem that the cards are rigged but highly unlikely. Ellis and others see the Baccarat hold as being higher than the house edge and point to this as proof that the game is rigged. That’s plain dumb. I don’t mean to sugar coat it! bacplayer2010’s unfortunate experience is proof positive that the reason the house take is more than the simple edge of the game is that we run into losing streaks, bet more money, and then run out of bankroll and go back to a lesser unit whereby our winning hands are less than our previous losing hands! If we keep track of our hands won ratio we would likely see over a long period of time that we are winning almost half the hands – almost. Impossible to say now that bacplayer2010 trashed his cards but probably if he could see the hands ratio he would probably see this statistic born out. His previous winnings were on the North side of the curve and finally came back to normal. It was just that his losing bets were now bigger than his winning bets.

Interesting to see some of these posted shoes and their methods. Ever notice that nearly every one has more winning hands than losing hands? Show me 10 shoes where you lose 5 or more hands than win and still win! Then you got a good system!

There are those who think they can get around this by selecting tables. Do you watch 5 hands, 10 hands, look at a whole shoe and wait for it to come back an hour later? All any of us do is play our method using the shoe history and stay in the shoe if it cooperates and leave if it doesn’t!

All of these methods we see on this site (including Ellis’) will show good wins. Probably some better than others. Ellis already has like a dozen methods and now, as I write, he is back at his desk designing yet another one! Play what you like, get efficient at it, understand when it is not going so well, change up or get out.

So we either get out of a losing shoe hoping the next one will be better or make some recovery betting in a losing shoe to get back half or all the losses then get out if it doesn’t turn around, stay if it does.

Money management, betting, discipline.

Archer

Forget the Karma crap Bac..Casino got u where they want players...In impulse mode..Time to go into hunter mode..u know like hunters who spray deer piss all over themselves and stand next to a tree all day just for the SHOT.The streaks/chops/TT's are here to stay and will never go away...U been playin long enough..u'll figure it out..Hey try this out... place the bet were u want to bet on and then while the hand waves across the table" No More Bets" called...switch...That should help chase away the demons..

Originally Posted by pitty1

Forget the Karma crap Bac..Casino got u where they want players...In impulse mode..Time to go into hunter mode..u know like hunters who spray deer piss all over themselves and stand next to a tree all day just for the SHOT.The streaks/chops/TT's are here to stay and will never go away...U been playin long enough..u'll figure it out..Hey try this out... place the bet were u want to bet on and then while the hand waves across the table" No More Bets" called...switch...That should help chase away the demons..

I agree.

I seriously believe the casinos have demons on their side. Besides the obvious math on their side (house edge) they need a bigger edge. A spiritual edge. Some people are spiritually assaulted the moment they walk through the casino doors. And almost never win again.

your right archer, as I said earlier i began chasing losses stopped following my plan I lost my discipline, and it cost me big time. And recovery betting didn work for me at all made me go deeper off my plan. SO now what i see working is selective betting and only betting when everyone bets either banker or player only or bet against others if they are losing as it happened to me.

Originally Posted by Archer

I do sympathize with bacplayer2010 situation. Sucks to take big hits like that. But let’s get real. He lost control, maybe chased, probably did not follow his own plan. Been there done that! One thing TheGoal said that I agree with and think we should all recognize. We are going to lose more hands than we win in this game. This means for every losing bet we need a winning bet that exceeds that losing bet.

I know it can seem that the cards are rigged but highly unlikely. Ellis and others see the Baccarat hold as being higher than the house edge and point to this as proof that the game is rigged. That’s plain dumb. I don’t mean to sugar coat it! bacplayer2010’s unfortunate experience is proof positive that the reason the house take is more than the simple edge of the game is that we run into losing streaks, bet more money, and then run out of bankroll and go back to a lesser unit whereby our winning hands are less than our previous losing hands! If we keep track of our hands won ratio we would likely see over a long period of time that we are winning almost half the hands – almost. Impossible to say now that bacplayer2010 trashed his cards but probably if he could see the hands ratio he would probably see this statistic born out. His previous winnings were on the North side of the curve and finally came back to normal. It was just that his losing bets were now bigger than his winning bets.

Interesting to see some of these posted shoes and their methods. Ever notice that nearly every one has more winning hands than losing hands? Show me 10 shoes where you lose 5 or more hands than win and still win! Then you got a good system!

There are those who think they can get around this by selecting tables. Do you watch 5 hands, 10 hands, look at a whole shoe and wait for it to come back an hour later? All any of us do is play our method using the shoe history and stay in the shoe if it cooperates and leave if it doesn’t!

All of these methods we see on this site (including Ellis’) will show good wins. Probably some better than others. Ellis already has like a dozen methods and now, as I write, he is back at his desk designing yet another one! Play what you like, get efficient at it, understand when it is not going so well, change up or get out.

So we either get out of a losing shoe hoping the next one will be better or make some recovery betting in a losing shoe to get back half or all the losses then get out if it doesn’t turn around, stay if it does.

Money management, betting, discipline.

Archer

LOL i know I have thought about that now lol when people bet against me change my bet at last possible moment lol

Originally Posted by pitty1

Forget the Karma crap Bac..Casino got u where they want players...In impulse mode..Time to go into hunter mode..u know like hunters who spray deer piss all over themselves and stand next to a tree all day just for the SHOT.The streaks/chops/TT's are here to stay and will never go away...U been playin long enough..u'll figure it out..Hey try this out... place the bet were u want to bet on and then while the hand waves across the table" No More Bets" called...switch...That should help chase away the demons..

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

And recovery betting didn work for me at all made me go deeper off my plan.

I just wanted to be clear about "recovery betting." It does not mean chasing. It means you have a set plan to increase your bet size (and bet placements if desired) to reduce the loss. Once this is tried and the loss is reduced go back to regular method. If it fails - quit the shoe. What I like to do is try 3 bets according to a pre-determined method. Sometimes it works and I am back in the game - sometiems it doesn't and I am out of the game.

Originally Posted by Thegoal

I am going to give you some advice. ...to use a "follow and against" style of play. Totally flat betting. Wait for anyone at a table to lose once and go against them until they win two times in a row. Wait for anyone to win two times in a row and follow them until they lose once. Very simple. You have to remain disciplined. And you have to MAKE sure, that the person you are following, or going against, makes their OWN decision, and not a decision based off of someone else on the table....

YAYS Woots I am a winner today. I didnt lose any money...I won a huge amount of money lol $52.50. Lol Actually i am quite happy I didnt panic bet and lose more then i would have. In essence I played for 2 hours and was up 2 units, so betting $25 I made two units. So a lesson was learned.

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

YAYS Woots I am a winner today. I didnt lose any money...I won a huge amount of money lol $52.50. Lol Actually i am quite happy I didnt panic bet and lose more then i would have. In essence I played for 2 hours and was up 2 units, so betting $25 I made two units. So a lesson was learned.

Great Job, every small win when you get down is what helps build confidence. I was at the casino yesterday and I saw something interesting. I was sitting at the table flat betting maverick's system. an Asian guy walked up to the table and put 1000 down which is typical. He split his 1000 into 3 stacks then the next thing I know all hell breaks out. This guy went crazy. He started rushing the dealer to play each hand. He would say "faster, faster, you make me lose when you go to slow" "FASTER, FASTER" I couldn't keep up with the table because of that asshole. If someone came up to the table to get some chips he would freak out and start yelling. If someone got to close to him then he would have the pitboss make them stand back. He would bet 1 of his 3 stacks each time. He blew through his first 1000 in about 10 minutes and came back with another 1000. He was even more intense his second time back. He wanted the dealer to go at supersonic speed. by the time he finished he was up about 1000 but it was all luck ..based on the way he bet. That is why people lose in the long-run. No patience, no discipline. I have been in your situation before every single small wins helps..trust me.

One thing that I don't get is why people want to bet more and more units to win? The guy that I just talked about would have 20 green chips on a bet at a time. What happened to flat betting, timing, and discipline? I don't have much against progressions, I think they can be useful but I also think it depends on the person. I am not cut out for progressions. I would rather flat bet at $200 per hand then to bet 200 when I am on a losing streak. And I hope to move up to the $200 tables by the end of the year but I could never play the $200 tables with a progression..that is just insane. I always look at baccarat from an dollar per hour perspective. Take a table as low as $10 bucks. If you make just 1 $10 unit in 20 hands then that close to a $10 per hour job. Now think of what happens when we use bigger base units. 1 $200 unit in 20 hands is close to a $200 per hour job which is hard to come by in the US. It gets even better when you have one of those 10+ shoes. 2000 in about an hour. Great pay!!! Risked less to win more. I see people bet 1000 in a single hand to either get themselves out of a hole or to only make a couple hundred. Not worth it!!

BacPlayer: I am working on a system that is producing great results. I bet either 50 or 100 per hand with it and I hope to take it to the $200 table as long as it doesn't fail anytime soon. My wins range from 1-12 units. It is based around a certain occurrence that i believe drives certain sections of the shoe. If you have the discipline then it may help you recover what you have lost. PM mean if you want the system.

If you want to slow the dealer down, place your bet out there but keep your hand on it. He can't deal until you've left the bet somewhere.

hey john i pmed you hope you got it

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

hey john i pmed you hope you got it

I got your PM but it is not coming up on my screen. it says invalid link but I did see what you said through email. Please PM me your email address and I'll send the system to you, hopefully by Monday\

If you want to slow the dealer down, place your bet out there but keep your hand on it. He can't deal until you've left the bet somewhere.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

SO now what i see working is .. betting when everyone bets either banker or player only or bet against others if they are losing as it happened to me.

If you are supersticious enough to believe that bank or player will come up because many of the players at the table are betting for that result, you should actually bet the opposite, on the theory that the demons or the casino, will always make the next hand that causes
the most people to lose.

Wake up, move on to something else. Other people are not going to make you money.

As to recovery betting, until you identify a positive expectation
bet, you are not making a recovery bet, just a bigger bad bet.