Thread: Flat Betting Bankroll-Betting/Ratio

hi guys..it would be nice if the pros could share their bankroll betting ratios when flat betting..how much to bring? how much to flat bet? what is the ideal amount to bring to recover from losses say 5 in a row? thanks!

Originally Posted by zachster

hi guys..it would be nice if the pros could share their bankroll betting ratios when flat betting..how much to bring? how much to flat bet? what is the ideal amount to bring to recover from losses say 5 in a row? thanks!

Flat betting even money wagers, you don't need a very large bankroll. I play with 100 units, but I'd venture to say 50 would suffice.

The way I play, it's quite rare to lose 5 units in one shoe before getting up one or two, though this does happen. In this case, I leave the shoe, take a break and return to play another. Several shoes later, I've recovered.

Right now, my goal is to win $300 per day (3 units). Usually this takes less than half an hour. Adding up these small wins, it's just under $10,000 per month. Not a bad little income.

lol Id like to know as well had bad night tonight lost 7000 lol 6 bets in a row and i couldnt recover

Originally Posted by zachster

hi guys..it would be nice if the pros could share their bankroll betting ratios when flat betting..how much to bring? how much to flat bet? what is the ideal amount to bring to recover from losses say 5 in a row? thanks!

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

lol Id like to know as well had bad night tonight lost 7000 lol 6 bets in a row and i couldnt recover

Sounds like you were using a progression and not flat-betting.

Losing 6 bets in a row is to be expected. Successful gamblers are patient and use disciplined money management to minimize losses.

That money can be won back. Flat bet Banker only. Use $100 units (ideally you are playing with more than 50 units). Stop betting at a streak of PPP and wait for Ps to end with appearance of another B. Commence betting again. Leave shoe after a win of one or two units. If you lose 4 units, quit the shoe, take a break and return later (different shoe) with $225 - $250 units. When you win 2 units, leave the shoe and start a new one falling back to $100 units. Your goal is to win $500 per day. Do this for 15 days and you'll be back in the black.

Was a error, it was 6000 I lost, lost 6 in a row and quit so wouldnt lose any more..was flat bet of 1000 a hand. I didn't bet every hand in a row just lost 6 bets in a row.Believe me i am a very patient gambler and successful at it as a rule just a bad night was all. And my stopping was money management. But i like what you suggested. Id like to point out if one returns as well when it isnt your night that idea can also lead to further losses.

Originally Posted by sevenshooter

Sounds like you were using a progression and not flat-betting.

Losing 6 bets in a row is to be expected. Successful gamblers are patient and use disciplined money management to minimize losses. As well if shoe doesnt go your way your return trip as you put it by trying another shoe, can be equally as losing as well, when it isnt your night it isnt your night.

That money can be won back. Flat bet Banker only. Use $100 units (ideally you are playing with more than 50 units). Stop betting at a streak of PPP and wait for Ps to end with appearance of another B. Commence betting again. Leave shoe after a win of one or two units. If you lose 4 units, quit the shoe, take a break and return later (different shoe) with $225 - $250 units. When you win 2 units, leave the shoe and start a new one falling back to $100 units. Your goal is to win $500 per day. Do this for 15 days and you'll be back in the black.

Hey seven is this how your doing 10,000 a month
Thanks
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ey seven thanks! your ratio sounds like a plan! im trying to get rid of the martingale urge prevalent in me when i lose..i tried your flat beting on banker and stoping on PPP a while ago. good show man! although what i did a was to be selectively and not play all hands in favor for banker..i found that eating a sandwich on the side while playing keeps me from betting all the time.. hehe

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

Was a error, it was 6000 I lost, lost 6 in a row and quit so wouldnt lose any more..was flat bet of 1000 a hand. I didn't bet every hand in a row just lost 6 bets in a row.Believe me i am a very patient gambler and successful at it as a rule just a bad night was all. And my stopping was money management. But i like what you suggested. Id like to point out if one returns as well when it isnt your night that idea can also lead to further losses.

Okay -- you're 10 times my own basic unit!! Great. A loss of six units is easily recoverable. I had thought you were down more like 70 units. No problem.

Originally Posted by gerard711

Hey seven is this how your doing 10,000 a month
Thanks
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I don't play everyday and since I'm restricting my units to $100 chips I'm not hitting 10 Gs monthly, though I do think it's achievable.

The good thing about this game is having virtually no ceiling on your income potential: one unit is one unit. Flat bet $1000 units properly and you should be earning $100,000 each month. Not inconceivable.

Do you think waiting for a bank ok then play a banker is better than playing every hand. OR if you were to play every hand stop loss at 6 win goal at 3. this way 80 percent success gives you 12 units profit every 10 shoes

Originally Posted by gerard711

Do you think waiting for a bank ok then play a banker is better than playing every hand. OR if you were to play every hand stop loss at 6 win goal at 3. this way 80 percent success gives you 12 units profit every 10 shoes

Sounds good to me. I don't think there ought to be one, fixed way of play but instead variations of the same original principles: better to bet Banker; never chase losses; flat-bet or use no more than a 1-2 progression; bet enough that a win of several units translates into decent real-world value (what's the point of winning three $5 units??). If you can, play EZ Bac over regular Baccarat: not only is it faster but the house edge on Banker bets is also less.

I agree this needs to be played with large units
Also if your up 2 units twice in the shoe not getting to that plus 3 the next time you're at plus 2 quit the shoe


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I agree this needs to be played with large units
Also if your up 2 units twice in the shoe not getting to that plus 3 the next time you're at plus 2 quit the shoe


G

Another good way to play this would be to flat bet the last decision with your goal being to win just one or two units per shoe. If you lose two units, then increase your unit size to a double unit or even slightly more (like 2.25). Upon one win, return to the original single unit.

If you find yourself down 10 base units, quit the shoe and take a walk. Losing 10 units before winning one is uncommon. Consider the following sequence:

B single unit: PB, 2.25 units: PPBBB, single unit: PB, 2.25 units: B, single unit: PB, 2.25 units: PPP, single unit BP, 2.25 units P, single unit: P = +2 units.

An extremely frustrating FLD shoe and we still manage to earn 2 full units even without the benefit of a having 4+ streak on our side.

My point is, different strategies based on the same principles can be applied to different types of shoes. If you think the shoe will continue to be streaky then employ the FLD in the above example. If Banker appears to be predominant then bet Banker only. It doesn't really make a difference because the biases we perceive are imaginary. Indisputably so. The only bias that does actually exist in Bac is Banker favored slightly over Player due to the drawing rules. So what it takes to beat this game is conservative money management, sizable units and having enough sense to exit the shoe at the right time (ie anytime you're in the black).

has anyone read the book full time gambler. he has a very good mm system the beginning starts like this 111112222333445. go up after a loss and go down after a win. good for large flat bets. he has a further progression in his book but would take a long losing streak to blow up. anyone have any thoughts on this. thanks

Yes your very correct on what is conceivable...but ontimes one takes a hit, cant win everyday, sometimes some days are betetr then others

Originally Posted by sevenshooter

I don't play everyday and since I'm restricting my units to $100 chips I'm not hitting 10 Gs monthly, though I do think it's achievable.

The good thing about this game is having virtually no ceiling on your income potential: one unit is one unit. Flat bet $1000 units properly and you should be earning $100,000 each month. Not inconceivable.

seven,

you said your target is to win 3units per day, and you will bring 50units to play with, that would mean the maximum amount you will lose in one day is 50units right?

then dont you have to win 50units before you go home?
i know it's alot and it sounds crazy, but let's say...

day1 - win 3units
day2 - win 3units
day3 - win 3units
day4 - lose (50units)

net = lose 41units

your 3 days' winnings still can't cover your one day's loss, right?

dont get me wrong, i like you method, it's just that i thought the ideal way is to have one day's winnings equal to one day's losses

i believe his stop loss is 5-6 units. check out his thread flat betting on banker thread..he exlpains how he does it there..

Originally Posted by zachster

i believe his stop loss is 5-6 units. check out his thread flat betting on banker thread..he exlpains how he does it there..

are you referring to this thread "Flat-Betting Banker" ?

anyway, that's not that i meant.
yes, i know his 'stop loss' per shoe is 5-6units.
but what i meant was, the maximum amount that he will possibly lose in one day (or one trip).

his 'stop loss' per shoe is 5-6units, but what if (just example only, sorry) he meets 10 shoes with 5-6units loss each, then he would have lost 50-60units in that day right?

i thought you always have to at least double your money, otherwise multiple winnings (in several days) can't even cover for one complete lost in one day,

e.g.
day1 - win 3units
day2 - win 3units
day3 - win 3units
day4 - lose (50units)

is that not the case?
dont get me wrong, im seeking advice actually, im not sure either

Originally Posted by extremeb

are you referring to this thread "Flat-Betting Banker" ?

anyway, that's not that i meant.
yes, i know his 'stop loss' per shoe is 5-6units.
but what i meant was, the maximum amount that he will possibly lose in one day (or one trip).

his 'stop loss' per shoe is 5-6units, but what if (just example only, sorry) he meets 10 shoes with 5-6units loss each, then he would have lost 50-60units in that day right?

i thought you always have to at least double your money, otherwise multiple winnings (in several days) can't even cover for one complete lost in one day,

e.g.
day1 - win 3units
day2 - win 3units
day3 - win 3units
day4 - lose (50units)

is that not the case?
dont get me wrong, im seeking advice actually, im not sure either

Although it is possible, it is highly unlikely that one would lose 50 units flat-betting Banker in one session.

Another good way to play this method is to get up two units, then only pull out of the shoe after returning down to +1 unit. This way, you could take advantage of long Banker streaks and walk away with profits of +10 units quite often. Remember to respect a stop-loss of -5 units.

I use it on Baccarat. Very good! elgarlv@cox.net.................................Sal.

Flat betting don't feed tha bulldog, hey hey!

Don't understand what your saying(don't feed the bulldog)?

Originally Posted by sevenshooter

Flat betting even money wagers, you don't need a very large bankroll. I play with 100 units, but I'd venture to say 50 would suffice.

The way I play, it's quite rare to lose 5 units in one shoe before getting up one or two, though this does happen. In this case, I leave the shoe, take a break and return to play another. Several shoes later, I've recovered.

Right now, my goal is to win $300 per day (3 units). Usually this takes less than half an hour. Adding up these small wins, it's just under $10,000 per month. Not a bad little income.

Hi 7
$10K /month how to bet?..

Hi 7
you can pause playing that is to say ,you are cool manner,not greedy like me .
I have been 1 year not go to casino,and i will go. next month