Thread: Sharing Maverick Ultimate

Howdy Folks!

Came across an ad on Craigslist by a guy named Mark who is selling his baccarat system.

Here is the ad: Maverick Ultimate Baccarat

I talked to him over the phone and he seems to sound for real and sincere. Even showed me a video of him playing online, and it was quite impressive to say the least. Says he makes at least $1,000 every time he plays. Says he can teach anyone to play like him, cuz his method is mechanical and you just have to follow his rules in his manual. Says I can start winning in baccarat immediately after reading it. Says all his students are winning 100% of the time - no one ever loses - ever!

Read his ad - he tells his story there, and it sounds for real. Lots of testimonials from his students, too.

I really want to take his class. But my problem is ... can't afford his $1,000 tuition. Barely have a few hundred to bankroll baccarat as it is. So, figured I'd try to find a few others who are also interested in Mark's Maverick system to split the cost with me. The more the better, I guess, since that means we all pay less for it.

Well, PM me or email me if interested. We can work it out so that after I learn it from Mark, we can all have a group meeting over a conference call and I can explain everything to everyone in the group. Of course, I'll send all the documents I get from him to everyone in the group, too. He says he has a manual that clearly explains the entire method, and his 1-month mentoring is just to help answer any questions I might have, as well as walk me through a shoe or two online. So, we can pool together questions and stuff, I guess.

Also, if anyone else is already using Maverick Ultimate, I'd appreciate some feedback. Sounds for real, and if so, please confirm, but if not for real, please explain. Sure does cost a lot, but I guess you get what you pay for ... so let's pool our buying power, righto!

Muchas gracias!
MU

Originally Posted by MaverickUltimate

Howdy Folks!

Came across an ad on Craigslist by a guy named Mark who is selling his baccarat system.

Here is the ad: Maverick Ultimate Baccarat

I talked to him over the phone and he seems to sound for real and sincere. Says he makes at least $1,000 every time he plays, and the other day, he used $10,000 chips to make a ton more that day. Says he can teach anyone to play like him, cuz his method is mechanical and you just have to follow his rules in his manual. Says I can start winning in baccarat immediately after reading it. Says all his students are winning 100% of the time - no one ever loses - ever!

Read his ad - he tells his story there, and it sounds for real. Lots of testimonials from his students, too.

I really want to take his class. But my problem is ... can't afford his $1,000 tuition. Barely have a few hundred to bankroll baccarat as it is. So, figured I'd try to find a few others who are also interested in Mark's Maverick system to split the cost with me. The more the better, I guess, since that means we all pay less for it.

Well, PM me or email me if interested. We can work it out so that after I learn it from Mark, we can all have a group meeting over a conference call and I can explain everything to everyone in the group. Of course, I'll send all the documents I get from him to everyone in the group, too. He says he has a manual that clearly explains the entire method, and his 1-month mentoring is just to help answer any questions I might have, as well as walk me through a shoe or two online. So, we can pool together questions and stuff, I guess.

Also, if anyone else is already using Maverick Ultimate, I'd appreciate some feedback. Sounds for real, and if so, please confirm, but if not for real, please explain. Sure does cost a lot, but I guess you get what you pay for ... so let's pool our buying power, righto!

Muchas gracias!
MU

And who are you... the scammed, or the scammer?

I think we both know, don't we my friend?

Hey - I'm not a scammer, and I don't want to be scammed.

That's why I made my request. I don't have $1,000 to give to Mark, so I'm looking for as many interested as possible to break it up into smaller pieces. It's kinda like buying a car or house together, and everyone in the group gets to use it. Mark gets his tuition, we get his method. How is that scamming anyone?

Hey - if u r not interested in what I had to write, just go play in someone else's sandbox, will you?

And another thing, if you're insinuating I'm Mark himself trying to spam and scam, why would I want to dilute the tuition into smaller pieces like that? He'd have to teach many people for the price of one. Totally makes no sense, does it?

Well, if you're not convinced, give me your phone number, and I'll call you. Then respond to Mark's ad and get his phone number and call him. You'll find out real quick I'm not him.

I've been doing some research on this Maverick method and there seems to be misinformation being given. I have read a lot of different posts by Mark and others and I can see where Maverick is getting a little blown out of proportion.

One thing Mark made clear about this whole 100% win thing. He is quick to point out that it does NOT mean no one has ever lost a shoe! He means that they are experiencing a 100% session win rate. That’s a big difference.

Mark also points out that he is the first one to admit that there is no holy grail, and Maverick is NOT some miracle system or anything. It has tough shoes and good ones like all do. Maverick Ultimate is quite different from the Maverick that was posted on Elli's beat the Casino Forum. I think that was part of the fall out they had. Ellis said that Mark could get sued if he went out on his own to help people with Maverick. So when Mark developed Maverick Ultimate he refused to share because Ellis said that anything put on his forum was defaulted copyrighted to the site.

I have been pondering if I should get involved with Mark's Mentoring Program or not. I have read that the only people that pay for things are suckers. I can really appreciate that type of sentiment. It does have a lot of validity to it.

Yet I couldn't stop from wondering why Maverick seems to be doing so well and has become so popular, especially since Mark has not really promoted it very much at all. He has a website www.maverickultimatebaccart.com and maybe one post on Craigslist, but that’s about all I could find. Heck even on this forum, Maverick was started by someone else and I don't think (I could be wrong) but Mark has not even chimed in here once. Even this thread was started by someone else. It seems that it’s the other players that have learned it and have done well with it seem to be promoting it as positive referrals. I guess that is how it should be.

I've also seen other people post that they feel Mark has this huge ego and he thinks he is some type of baccarat god or something. I have also seen Mark getting attacked by others saying he is a scammer or that there are no way his claims could be true. People have said that they have e-mailed Mark and asked if he would play a live shoe for them but he refused.

So I actually contacted Mark and asked him point blank about all of this. I didn't expect that he would reply, but to my surprise he actually did just today. We had a very extensive back and forth conversation through e-mail and his answers to me were quite shocking.

I asked him how he would respond to people who think you have this huge ego and that you think you are some baccarat god? I have cut and paste is replies here.

Mark: "That is so silly. If they really knew me they would laugh at that thought too. Why? Because I am NOT even a good player. It is actually the complete opposite. I am a horrible in fact a truly very BAD baccarat player. That is how Maverick came about in the first place. Maverick was an ACCIDENT! I was going through this period where I couldn't win one bet to save my life, AND I was so sick of seeing a new system after new system pop up yet I couldn't find anything that the majority of people could play and win with. So I had to come up with a simple way that I could play and win consistently with. So I decided to develop an approach where I knew exactly what I would lose to and then play and adjust around that. It just seemed easier for me. I never knew it would work so well. I developed as a way for ME to play, not as a way to impose on others how to play. I never planned on selling anything. In fact, as a regular member of the BTC forum, I gave it all away for free. I've helped so many people learn it, and have never got a penny. It became so popular, I think because people were actually winning with some type of consistency for once. My Maverick thread has had the most views and replies in the shortest amount of time. In fact, Ellis was practically nowhere to be found for almost a year. Nor was Keith. There were no complaints by them when Maverick was responsible for so much activity on their site."

Then I asked Mark about this 100% win rate and about how Maverick sounds like a holy grail or something because I told him frankly it sounds impossible and just like another scam. Here is what he said. His honesty, his bluntness, and his humility shocked the hell out of me.

Mark said, "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! The way some people have misinterpreted what I have said, it’s no wonder some might think I'm full of crap. Hell, if I read that I would think the same damn thing. Wouldn't you? Anyone who says they win 100% of their shoes I would think is full of SHIT! I don't win 100% of my shoes, nor do any of the people I have taught (At least I don't think so.) However, I do have a 100% session win rate. There is a big difference in those statements. And to be honest, it’s not very hard to do. I think a lot of people who do not play Maverick could do it too.

Here is an example. I wrote on the BTC forum how I was so pissed at myself because I went against my own Maverick rules and lost like 234 units or something. Yes that’s right, I lost. I was pissed at myself because I felt I had been spending way too much time on the forum, on the phone and on Skype to way to late in the early morning helping others for FREE! Then I played my morning session tired and I broke all my own rules. Then I was even MORE pissed at myself because I caught myself making up stupid excuses like that one and trying to blame what happened to me on outside circumstances rather than taking responsibility for my own actions. I was so pissed at myself that I stopped posting on the forum for two weeks.

What I didn't post until way later was that I went back that night, and got it all back plus still made my goal of $1,000 for that day. That’s what I mean by a 100% win rate. You may lose your first shoe of the session, but if you win the shoes after that and you end the session for the day meeting your session goal, then you have won that session. The only reason I lost anyway was that I went against my own Maverick rules and made some crazy stupid bets. My Maverick rules do NOT condone such stupidity. That time I was stupid. I deserved to lose when I play stupid. No excuses.

I then asked him why he thinks Maverick has done so well. Again his answer surprised me.

Mark said: "I don't think Maverick is all that special. I guess because when you understand the "Why" I have behind everything, it seems so common sense. I think people forget why they are playing. I don't play just to try and claim 'I have the best system.' How stupid and egotistical would that be?!

I play for one reason and one reason only. That is to win my session goal of $1,000 for the day and go home. The way I set myself up to win, I make it easy for myself. I don't care how I do it, or if it takes 1 shoe or 5 shoes. All I care is that I do it. I don't need anyone else's approval, praise or recognition. That doesn't pay the bills. Oh by the way, that does NOT mean I win $30,000 a month every month. I do NOT play every day of the week. People just assume that. I can’t be blamed for other people’s assumptions. I play until my session goal is met, and I play as many sessions per month as I need to. I do outline how to set up your play so you can accomplish this quite easily.

The reason I think that Maverick is so successful is that it takes into account ALL the PRACTICAL things needed to make money consistently in real world conditions. Bet placement, Bet Progression, Simplicity, Patience, Discipline, Money Management, and proper Bankroll and business plan. No surprise there. In fact, you can design any system to work if you incorporate all these things. Maverick is just a way I designed for MYSELF as a preference for my play. If people want to play it, cool. If not, DON’T play it. That is fine. Maverick is NOT the only way to win by any means. It’s just the way I like to personally play, and it just so happens quite a few others like to play this way as well. That’s it.

Then I asked Mark about the people who have said that he declined to play a live shoe for them. He replied again quite bluntly.

Mark: “I would love to play a live shoe for everyone that asks. Here is the problem. I get that type of request at least 10 times a day. It goes kind of like this..."If I can play a live shoe with you, and you win, then I will consider purchasing your program." Notice, they never say “If you win, I guarantee that I will buy your program immediately after the demonstration.” But that is not the problem really.

The problem really is, how do I accept everyone’s request? How do I accept even 5 requests per day? That’s over 5 hours of play time online, not to mention the logistics as I currently am in Hawaii now which is 3 hours behind California time and 6 hours behind east coast.

Now I know what you are thinking. If this guy doesn't want to play with me live, then it must be a scam and I will not buy it. You must realize that I get told this all the time, and my only answer to this is... IT'S OKAY! DON”T BUY IT! I would react the same way. So it’s okay if you do not sign up, and it’s okay if you feel I'm a scam. Hell, I'd probably feel the same way.

I used to take it personally whenever someone told me that. I felt I had to prove myself every time someone accused me of either lying or said that Maverick didn't work. Then I realized, why should I even care? I don’t need the money to live off of. I mean it would be nice extra spending money, but I never started the mentoring program to make a living off of it. I did it to make a little mad money during my down time when I wasn't playing. I make money every time I do play, so it doesn't really matter if anyone purchases my program or not. I've realized I will always be criticized no matter how hard I try to please everyone, so why bother trying?

So you can see why it is very difficult for me to agree to play live for everyone that requests it. However, what I did do was make a video of me actually training someone else. I actually did two of them. So what I have started to do is show the video. This has made it easier for me to satisfy the people who wanted proof. In fact these videos are the earlier version of Maverick with the not so updated rules but they still did +20 each. Now as you can imagine, I wouldn't just give away these training videos as it has with it the audio of me actually teaching my approach. So when I do show it, I do it without the audio, and just show my starting balance and fast forward so they can see that it actually won. If that’s not good enough, it’s okay. I just feel it is the best compromise.”

I have to say I was surprised with the time he took to answer my questions and how he answered them. He even showed me the videos. Both videos made +20 each. Then he told me that those videos were of regular Maverick, not the new Maverick Ultimate that he is playing now. He said that is even more simple to play.

I have not signed up yet, but I have to be honest I was really skeptical. Now after hearing it straight from the horse’s mouth, I am really giving it some serious consideration. I know I might get laughed at or being called stupid and gullible, but sometimes you have to follow your gut. This guy seemed really sincere and he didn’t even try to sell me. In fact he practically tried to talk me out of it telling me I could probably do it on my own. While I can't say Maverick works because I haven't played it yet, I can at least say that Mark seems to be a really nice guy. He was totally upfront and as honest with me. Now the big question... should I do it?

Thanks, bacguy! Great info and appreciate your sharing.

Yeah, got the same impression after talking to Mark. Didn't know he used to be at that guy Ellis' forum. Found out Ellis wrote a lot here, and he seems to have some good ideas. Wish I were one of the first that Mark helped for free.

Maverick sounds like the real deal to me. Well if you want to considering splitting this with me and any others who might be interested, let me know. Of course, only one of us will actually be able to get mentored by Mark directly, but the mentoring is really just to answer questions and going through some shoes, so we can hold group meetings or something on our own to do the same thing. (I'm a school teacher by profession, so I'm pretty good at teaching, too. Once I understand something, I can teach it to anyone.)

If you decide to do it by your own, that's cool too. Please just report back here to let me know if it's the real thing and you are winning $1,000 a day and 100% of your sessions (not shoes, right!).

Let me know, and thanks again for your great report.

Originally Posted by bacguy

I've been doing some research on this Maverick method and there seems to be misinformation being given. I have read a lot of different posts by Mark and others and I can see where Maverick is getting a little blown out of proportion.

One thing Mark made clear about this whole 100% win thing. He is quick to point out that it does NOT mean no one has ever lost a shoe! He means that they are experiencing a 100% session win rate. That’s a big difference.

Mark also points out that he is the first one to admit that there is no holy grail, and Maverick is NOT some miracle system or anything. It has tough shoes and good ones like all do. Maverick Ultimate is quite different from the Maverick that was posted on Elli's beat the Casino Forum. I think that was part of the fall out they had. Ellis said that Mark could get sued if he went out on his own to help people with Maverick. So when Mark developed Maverick Ultimate he refused to share because Ellis said that anything put on his forum was defaulted copyrighted to the site.

I have been pondering if I should get involved with Mark's Mentoring Program or not. I have read that the only people that pay for things are suckers. I can really appreciate that type of sentiment. It does have a lot of validity to it.

Yet I couldn't stop from wondering why Maverick seems to be doing so well and has become so popular, especially since Mark has not really promoted it very much at all. He has a website www.maverickultimatebaccart.com and maybe one post on Craigslist, but that’s about all I could find. Heck even on this forum, Maverick was started by someone else and I don't think (I could be wrong) but Mark has not even chimed in here once. Even this thread was started by someone else. It seems that it’s the other players that have learned it and have done well with it seem to be promoting it as positive referrals. I guess that is how it should be.

I've also seen other people post that they feel Mark has this huge ego and he thinks he is some type of baccarat god or something. I have also seen Mark getting attacked by others saying he is a scammer or that there are no way his claims could be true. People have said that they have e-mailed Mark and asked if he would play a live shoe for them but he refused.

So I actually contacted Mark and asked him point blank about all of this. I didn't expect that he would reply, but to my surprise he actually did just today. We had a very extensive back and forth conversation through e-mail and his answers to me were quite shocking.

I asked him how he would respond to people who think you have this huge ego and that you think you are some baccarat god? I have cut and paste is replies here.

Mark: "That is so silly. If they really knew me they would laugh at that thought too. Why? Because I am NOT even a good player. It is actually the complete opposite. I am a horrible in fact a truly very BAD baccarat player. That is how Maverick came about in the first place. Maverick was an ACCIDENT! I was going through this period where I couldn't win one bet to save my life, AND I was so sick of seeing a new system after new system pop up yet I couldn't find anything that the majority of people could play and win with. So I had to come up with a simple way that I could play and win consistently with. So I decided to develop an approach where I knew exactly what I would lose to and then play and adjust around that. It just seemed easier for me. I never knew it would work so well. I developed as a way for ME to play, not as a way to impose on others how to play. I never planned on selling anything. In fact, as a regular member of the BTC forum, I gave it all away for free. I've helped so many people learn it, and have never got a penny. It became so popular, I think because people were actually winning with some type of consistency for once. My Maverick thread has had the most views and replies in the shortest amount of time. In fact, Ellis was practically nowhere to be found for almost a year. Nor was Keith. There were no complaints by them when Maverick was responsible for so much activity on their site."

Then I asked Mark about this 100% win rate and about how Maverick sounds like a holy grail or something because I told him frankly it sounds impossible and just like another scam. Here is what he said. His honesty, his bluntness, and his humility shocked the hell out of me.

Mark said, "IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! The way some people have misinterpreted what I have said, it’s no wonder some might think I'm full of crap. Hell, if I read that I would think the same damn thing. Wouldn't you? Anyone who says they win 100% of their shoes I would think is full of SHIT! I don't win 100% of my shoes, nor do any of the people I have taught (At least I don't think so.) However, I do have a 100% session win rate. There is a big difference in those statements. And to be honest, it’s not very hard to do. I think a lot of people who do not play Maverick could do it too.

Here is an example. I wrote on the BTC forum how I was so pissed at myself because I went against my own Maverick rules and lost like 234 units or something. Yes that’s right, I lost. I was pissed at myself because I felt I had been spending way too much time on the forum, on the phone and on Skype to way to late in the early morning helping others for FREE! Then I played my morning session tired and I broke all my own rules. Then I was even MORE pissed at myself because I caught myself making up stupid excuses like that one and trying to blame what happened to me on outside circumstances rather than taking responsibility for my own actions. I was so pissed at myself that I stopped posting on the forum for two weeks.

What I didn't post until way later was that I went back that night, and got it all back plus still made my goal of $1,000 for that day. That’s what I mean by a 100% win rate. You may lose your first shoe of the session, but if you win the shoes after that and you end the session for the day meeting your session goal, then you have won that session. The only reason I lost anyway was that I went against my own Maverick rules and made some crazy stupid bets. My Maverick rules do NOT condone such stupidity. That time I was stupid. I deserved to lose when I play stupid. No excuses.

I then asked him why he thinks Maverick has done so well. Again his answer surprised me.

Mark said: "I don't think Maverick is all that special. I guess because when you understand the "Why" I have behind everything, it seems so common sense. I think people forget why they are playing. I don't play just to try and claim 'I have the best system.' How stupid and egotistical would that be?!

I play for one reason and one reason only. That is to win my session goal of $1,000 for the day and go home. The way I set myself up to win, I make it easy for myself. I don't care how I do it, or if it takes 1 shoe or 5 shoes. All I care is that I do it. I don't need anyone else's approval, praise or recognition. That doesn't pay the bills. Oh by the way, that does NOT mean I win $30,000 a month every month. I do NOT play every day of the week. People just assume that. I can’t be blamed for other people’s assumptions. I play until my session goal is met, and I play as many sessions per month as I need to. I do outline how to set up your play so you can accomplish this quite easily.

The reason I think that Maverick is so successful is that it takes into account ALL the PRACTICAL things needed to make money consistently in real world conditions. Bet placement, Bet Progression, Simplicity, Patience, Discipline, Money Management, and proper Bankroll and business plan. No surprise there. In fact, you can design any system to work if you incorporate all these things. Maverick is just a way I designed for MYSELF as a preference for my play. If people want to play it, cool. If not, DON’T play it. That is fine. Maverick is NOT the only way to win by any means. It’s just the way I like to personally play, and it just so happens quite a few others like to play this way as well. That’s it.

Then I asked Mark about the people who have said that he declined to play a live shoe for them. He replied again quite bluntly.

Mark: “I would love to play a live shoe for everyone that asks. Here is the problem. I get that type of request at least 10 times a day. It goes kind of like this..."If I can play a live shoe with you, and you win, then I will consider purchasing your program." Notice, they never say “If you win, I guarantee that I will buy your program immediately after the demonstration.” But that is not the problem really.

The problem really is, how do I accept everyone’s request? How do I accept even 5 requests per day? That’s over 5 hours of play time online, not to mention the logistics as I currently am in Hawaii now which is 3 hours behind California time and 6 hours behind east coast.

Now I know what you are thinking. If this guy doesn't want to play with me live, then it must be a scam and I will not buy it. You must realize that I get told this all the time, and my only answer to this is... IT'S OKAY! DON”T BUY IT! I would react the same way. So it’s okay if you do not sign up, and it’s okay if you feel I'm a scam. Hell, I'd probably feel the same way.

I used to take it personally whenever someone told me that. I felt I had to prove myself every time someone accused me of either lying or said that Maverick didn't work. Then I realized, why should I even care? I don’t need the money to live off of. I mean it would be nice extra spending money, but I never started the mentoring program to make a living off of it. I did it to make a little mad money during my down time when I wasn't playing. I make money every time I do play, so it doesn't really matter if anyone purchases my program or not. I've realized I will always be criticized no matter how hard I try to please everyone, so why bother trying?

So you can see why it is very difficult for me to agree to play live for everyone that requests it. However, what I did do was make a video of me actually training someone else. I actually did two of them. So what I have started to do is show the video. This has made it easier for me to satisfy the people who wanted proof. In fact these videos are the earlier version of Maverick with the not so updated rules but they still did +20 each. Now as you can imagine, I wouldn't just give away these training videos as it has with it the audio of me actually teaching my approach. So when I do show it, I do it without the audio, and just show my starting balance and fast forward so they can see that it actually won. If that’s not good enough, it’s okay. I just feel it is the best compromise.”

I have to say I was surprised with the time he took to answer my questions and how he answered them. He even showed me the videos. Both videos made +20 each. Then he told me that those videos were of regular Maverick, not the new Maverick Ultimate that he is playing now. He said that is even more simple to play.

I have not signed up yet, but I have to be honest I was really skeptical. Now after hearing it straight from the horse’s mouth, I am really giving it some serious consideration. I know I might get laughed at or being called stupid and gullible, but sometimes you have to follow your gut. This guy seemed really sincere and he didn’t even try to sell me. In fact he practically tried to talk me out of it telling me I could probably do it on my own. While I can't say Maverick works because I haven't played it yet, I can at least say that Mark seems to be a really nice guy. He was totally upfront and as honest with me. Now the big question... should I do it?

mark is guy that this forum needs i was there when he started with maverick , he helped everybody i still cant believe he did it all for free i know guys that never played or knew anything about the game but becuase mark gave them his time they are better players then guys that have been playing for years

Cool, Steve - Yeah, wish I were there at the beginning, too.
So, Maverick is the real deal in your opinion?

Originally Posted by steve6969

mark is guy that this forum needs i was there when he started with maverick , he helped everybody i still cant believe he did it all for free i know guys that never played or knew anything about the game but becuase mark gave them his time they are better players then guys that have been playing for years

Originally Posted by MaverickUltimate

And another thing, if you're insinuating I'm Mark himself trying to spam and scam, why would I want to dilute the tuition into smaller pieces like that? He'd have to teach many people for the price of one. Totally makes no sense, does it?

Doesn't. Like all the other BTC-clowns... loads of "fancy talk", but zero substance. ( New Blackjack, Same Old Baloney: Review of E. Clifton Davis' NBJ and WCB Blackjack Systems )

Great for the rest of us though, laughing at both the scammed and scammer, while feeding off their quirky ideas. (Neither achieves anything by it, but they both keep trying, lol.)



P.S. If you ask around here, maybe you'll find a member who actually wasted the time to download the pirated version by John, in the other "Maverick" thread?

Originally Posted by MaverickUltimate

Also, if anyone else is already using Maverick Ultimate, I'd appreciate some feedback. Sounds for real, and if so, please confirm, but if not for real, please explain. Sure does cost a lot, but I guess you get what you pay for ... so let's pool our buying power, righto!

I studied and practiced Maverick (the original one, not the new Ultimate) for awhile. During practice, I had a lot of success with it. But the first time I tried it out at a casino, I bombed big time. When I asked a few Maverick experts about how they would've played my losing shoes, they pointed out that I failed partly because I started out in the "wrong" mode, and partly because I hit a couple of its losing patterns very quickly.

That's the thing about Maverick: it is quite subjective. No two players using Maverick plays the same shoe the same way. In fact, if you try to play the same shoe again yourself using Maverick, you'll get a different result every time. That's because it only takes a single change in play, pause, or switch at a particular hand to significantly alter the final score. Moreover, because it keeps track of so many statistics, you can justify many different decisions with it. That's because there's always conflicting signals for which system to use, and the guessing game becomes, "Which system do I use now?" rather than "Which side to I bet now?"

In my experience, when Maverick bombs, it bombs fast: you can expect at least a string of 5+ straight losses during an average shoe (Mark says 7 consecutive losses is not out of the norm), and if you're using a fairly aggressive progression such as U1D2M2, you've dug a deep hole for yourself. From what I understand, Mark just keeps grinding through the drawdowns and increases the progressions accordingly. Personally, I don't have his courage, and I set a hard stop for myself of -20u as a rule, which pretty much is the 6th level of the U1D2M2 progression. To each his own, I suppose.

Those who claim to have great success with Maverick seem to be those who are already seasoned baccarat players who can make the "right" decisions based on what's happening to the shoe and Maverick's established guidelines. Again, though, no two of those baccarat experts using Maverick plays the same shoe the same way, and their results can differ substantially, but usually always positive. Their main encouragement to those who can't match their scores is just, "Keep practicing: the light bulb will turn on." There are a few of these Maverick experts on this forum, but most are at Ellis' forum, where Maverick was originally developed.

I don't know what Maverick Ultimate is like compared to the original Maverick. The buzz is that it is much more mechanical and less subjective, but I don't have any personal experience with it. I guess you have to pay Mark $1,000 tuition to learn it.

Let me know if you have any other questions about the original Maverick, though, if that information is helpful at all in your current endeavor.

Originally Posted by davel

I guess you have to pay Mark $1,000 tuition to learn it.

No, i don't "have to" do anything. Not even to play for real money where and when i know can't win.

But those sorts of systems aren't even "in the ball-park", unless talking about simple scams... nothing up front for everything a "sucker" could afford.

The thing that rattles in my head is that, if one has a winning stratergy why would you charge a person 'x' amount of money to give him/her their secret. why bother if you can win that amount of $ in 1 day or 1 shoe ! i accept that most of us have experience bad times, and wasted some $ trying to find and test new stratergy and once we have found the winning stratergy, we sell it, and make the money we have lost in finding this winning stratergy. but again why sell it? why cant you just give the winning stratergy out? does the 'x' amount of money really matters? i understand that some of us have secrets in winning, but if you are not willing to share then dont sell! sorry if i have offended anyone by posting this but its what i feel.

Originally Posted by gordon2882

... sorry if i have offended anyone by posting this but its what i feel.

Can't offend scammers, that's the nature of their business... but it's they who have no consideration for others, trying to overly-impose that on others. (Read their past-posts history here, to see the "looming patterns" of their misbehavior.)

haha. totally understand. i guess thats their winning formular. but i thought i put it in anyway, just in case if he is for real. And for other people out there, i believe that most of us will not pay for a formular. like i said y would you want people to pay if you can win 100x that amount!

Thanks, davel for your great summary.
Very helpful.

Originally Posted by davel

I studied and practiced Maverick (the original one, not the new Ultimate) for awhile. During practice, I had a lot of success with it. But the first time I tried it out at a casino, I bombed big time. When I asked a few Maverick experts about how they would've played my losing shoes, they pointed out that I failed partly because I started out in the "wrong" mode, and partly because I hit a couple of its losing patterns very quickly.

That's the thing about Maverick: it is quite subjective. No two players using Maverick plays the same shoe the same way. In fact, if you try to play the same shoe again yourself using Maverick, you'll get a different result every time. That's because it only takes a single change in play, pause, or switch at a particular hand to significantly alter the final score. Moreover, because it keeps track of so many statistics, you can justify many different decisions with it. That's because there's always conflicting signals for which system to use, and the guessing game becomes, "Which system do I use now?" rather than "Which side to I bet now?"

In my experience, when Maverick bombs, it bombs fast: you can expect at least a string of 5+ straight losses during an average shoe (Mark says 7 consecutive losses is not out of the norm), and if you're using a fairly aggressive progression such as U1D2M2, you've dug a deep hole for yourself. From what I understand, Mark just keeps grinding through the drawdowns and increases the progressions accordingly. Personally, I don't have his courage, and I set a hard stop for myself of -20u as a rule, which pretty much is the 6th level of the U1D2M2 progression. To each his own, I suppose.

Those who claim to have great success with Maverick seem to be those who are already seasoned baccarat players who can make the "right" decisions based on what's happening to the shoe and Maverick's established guidelines. Again, though, no two of those baccarat experts using Maverick plays the same shoe the same way, and their results can differ substantially, but usually always positive. Their main encouragement to those who can't match their scores is just, "Keep practicing: the light bulb will turn on." There are a few of these Maverick experts on this forum, but most are at Ellis' forum, where Maverick was originally developed.

I don't know what Maverick Ultimate is like compared to the original Maverick. The buzz is that it is much more mechanical and less subjective, but I don't have any personal experience with it. I guess you have to pay Mark $1,000 tuition to learn it.

Let me know if you have any other questions about the original Maverick, though, if that information is helpful at all in your current endeavor.

Originally Posted by davel

U1D2M2 progression.

What does this mean: "U1D2M2 progression" ?

All craps....

Just putting to Ellis system together and it can get all you people so excited and think of paying $1k for that? Crazy.

Let me tell you why?

Originally Posted by bacguy

While I can't say Maverick works because I haven't played it yet, I can at least say that Mark seems to be a really nice guy. He was totally upfront and as honest with me. Now the big question... should I do it?

Bacguy, you forget that the other day you PM me asking me for my trigger list and you told me that you are winning consistently with Maverick. Now, who is trying to fool who now?

Originally Posted by bacguy

I wrote on the BTC forum how I was so pissed at myself because I went against my own Maverick rules and lost like 234 units or something. Yes that’s right, I lost. .....
What I didn't post until way later was that I went back that night, and got it all back plus still made my goal of $1,000 for that day. That’s what I mean by a 100% win rate.

Try harder to convince me. Anyone playing know that losing 234 unit is a disaster, even at $25 per unit. So, Mark win back 234 units plus 1K that same night? Let say $25 per unit. So, he manage to win 40 unit ($1k) + 234, now, round to 300 units for each reference. Assume he is very good, win 30 units per shoe and take 10 shoes to win. Again let's assume the game goes very fast, 1 hr per shoes, so 10 hours to win..... the same night he win? Rubbish.

Originally Posted by bacguy

have read that the only people that pay for things are suckers. I can really appreciate that type of sentiment. It does have a lot of validity to it.

This is the only sensible thing you said in the entire post. Yes, paying for this rubbish is sucker.


There are many other things that you said is rubbish in your post, I just don't want to spend my time to go through everything.

The point is very clear. You are promoting for Mark and why don't you mention how much he paid you? Or you are part of his team to get suckers to pay for the system?

If Mark is really making that kinds of money he claimed (which of course, we all know now that he don't), then, he won't spend the time to teach for just $1k.

People offered me $100K to play with their money, I also rejected, what are you guys playing with? Monopoly money?

Maybe its time for me to repackage my FLD/OLD method and put up a price tag, how about package together with my selective betting trigger and comes with a play together session in Genting Highlands, do you think it will worth more than Mark $1k? I think it should, since I played 15 full time and Mark just played for slightly a year..... And you guys think he is expert, when he is losing all these while till he put Ellis two system in one.... what a joke!!!!

This is such a beautiful Sunday night here and I have to deal with all these nonsense.... suck.

Originally Posted by MaverickUltimate

What does this mean: "U1D2M2 progression" ?

U1D2M2 is one of Ellis' exploit betting progressions. It is short for "Up 1, Down 2, Mandatory 2."

U1: if you're losing, you increase your bet by 1: 1-2-3-4-5 ... etc.

D2: after you win a bet at the end of a losing sequence, decrease your bet by 2. For example, if your last bet was 5 and you won it, then the next bet will be 3, and if you win again, the next bet is back to 1. Or, if you started on an even numbered bet, just go back down to 1 at the end (6-4-2-1, etc).

M2: if you're enjoying consecutive wins, bet 1-2-1-2 ... etc.

U1D2M2 is considered a more aggressive betting progression, to be used only when things seem to be going your way during your play. As you can see, if you hit a bad losing streak of 6, you'll be down -21u. Some people with a large bankroll plug right on through come hell or high water, while others use a stop-loss. Another alternative is to cap your losing progression at a certain maximum, such as 3. Then you go 1-2-3-1-2-3 if you're losing.

Originally Posted by Bryan

This is the only sensible thing you said in the entire post. Yes, paying for this rubbish is sucker.


There are many other things that you said is rubbish in your post, I just don't want to spend my time to go through everything.

The point is very clear. You are promoting for Mark and why don't you mention how much he paid you? Or you are part of his team to get suckers to pay for the system?

If Mark is really making that kinds of money he claimed (which of course, we all know now that he don't), then, he won't spend the time to teach for just $1k.

People offered me $100K to play with their money, I also rejected, what are you guys playing with? Monopoly money?

Maybe its time for me to repackage my FLD/OLD method and put up a price tag, how about package together with my selective betting trigger and comes with a play together session in Genting Highlands, do you think it will worth more than Mark $1k? I think it should, since I played 15 full time and Mark just played for slightly a year..... And you guys think he is expert, when he is losing all these while till he put Ellis two system in one.... what a joke!!!!

This is such a beautiful Sunday night here and I have to deal with all these nonsense.... suck.

Well said Sir!

Y'all hold on to your wallets now.

Thanks, davel!
That makes sense!

Originally Posted by davel

U1D2M2 is one of Ellis' exploit betting progressions. It is short for "Up 1, Down 2, Mandatory 2."

U1: if you're losing, you increase your bet by 1: 1-2-3-4-5 ... etc.

D2: after you win a bet at the end of a losing sequence, decrease your bet by 2. For example, if your last bet was 5 and you won it, then the next bet will be 3, and if you win again, the next bet is back to 1. Or, if you started on an even numbered bet, just go back down to 1 at the end (6-4-2-1, etc).

M2: if you're enjoying consecutive wins, bet 1-2-1-2 ... etc.

U1D2M2 is considered a more aggressive betting progression, to be used only when things seem to be going your way during your play. As you can see, if you hit a bad losing streak of 6, you'll be down -21u. Some people with a large bankroll plug right on through come hell or high water, while others use a stop-loss. Another alternative is to cap your losing progression at a certain maximum, such as 3. Then you go 1-2-3-1-2-3 if you're losing.

"I wrote on the BTC forum how I was so pissed at myself because I went against my own Maverick rules and lost like 234 units or something. Yes that’s right, I lost. .....
What I didn't post until way later was that I went back that night, and got it all back plus still made my goal of $1,000 for that day. That’s what I mean by a 100% win rate."

It is beyond a disaster. Sounds more like a gambling problem!

Hi Bryan,

Thank you for being so blunt. I'm sorry I missed typed. What I meant was, I have not played his latest version of Maverick or Maverick Ultimate. He also has triggers in his older version. I asked you for your trigger list to see if it had anything in common with Maverick.

Yet you refused to give it to me, or anyone else I believe. So I am not sure what your motives were hen you stated your thread a while back. Maybe you had no motive nor do you have one now. I guess that is why I am confused as to why you don't want to share it anymore? Mark shared is whole thing for free to the other members on BTC for a year! That was a year people had to disprove it worked and there was nothing really bad put out about it.

When he lost his 234 units, he was playing green or $25 units, so that was about $6,000. He even told me what he did wrong. This guy went from making a $100 bet to a $1,000 bet just because he wanted to go home early. Yes very stupid. But the thing is, at least he admitted that. No system would call for that right? So he flat out told me he was stupid anfd that he deserved to lose when he played like that. I told him I agreed! HAHAHA.

He said when he went back to play he based at 1 unit = $100 so he really only made 70 units in his second session which I think he told me came out to about +14 per shoe for 5 shoes. Is that not reasonable? What does your system average per shoe?

So I guess someone could pose the same questions to you. If your system is working so well, why not share it? If you have already done so, where can one find it here? If you are so successful, why are you even on this forum site? Why not just keep it to yourself and just keep doing your own thing? There is nothing here for you to gain here so no reason to post anything, especially since you are no longer sharing anything.

I would much rather pay someone to learn something if it works. The question I have is, who here on this forum would be the person to learn from?

If its you, I would be happy to? Garnabby? Archer? Luck of the Irish? He has so many systems to trade, yet I asked him what he prefers to play and I ever got an answer. Is it anyone that has posted on this thread?

You seem to have been around here for a while, so if you could point me in the right direction, that would be great. It seems to be so hard to find anyone here that will step up to the plat and really say that they are successful at all, then have the balls to prove it.

Is there anyone here that will play a live shoe with me either in a casino or online to prove it works? I'll video tape it. Hell I'll even play to see it.

I have a funny feeling that will not happen. Maybe it means that the game cannot be beat.

Originally Posted by Bryan

All craps....

Just putting to Ellis system together and it can get all you people so excited and think of paying $1k for that? Crazy.

Let me tell you why?



Bacguy, you forget that the other day you PM me asking me for my trigger list and you told me that you are winning consistently with Maverick. Now, who is trying to fool who now?



Try harder to convince me. Anyone playing know that losing 234 unit is a disaster, even at $25 per unit. So, Mark win back 234 units plus 1K that same night? Let say $25 per unit. So, he manage to win 40 unit ($1k) + 234, now, round to 300 units for each reference. Assume he is very good, win 30 units per shoe and take 10 shoes to win. Again let's assume the game goes very fast, 1 hr per shoes, so 10 hours to win..... the same night he win? Rubbish.



This is the only sensible thing you said in the entire post. Yes, paying for this rubbish is sucker.


There are many other things that you said is rubbish in your post, I just don't want to spend my time to go through everything.

The point is very clear. You are promoting for Mark and why don't you mention how much he paid you? Or you are part of his team to get suckers to pay for the system?

If Mark is really making that kinds of money he claimed (which of course, we all know now that he don't), then, he won't spend the time to teach for just $1k.

People offered me $100K to play with their money, I also rejected, what are you guys playing with? Monopoly money?

Maybe its time for me to repackage my FLD/OLD method and put up a price tag, how about package together with my selective betting trigger and comes with a play together session in Genting Highlands, do you think it will worth more than Mark $1k? I think it should, since I played 15 full time and Mark just played for slightly a year..... And you guys think he is expert, when he is losing all these while till he put Ellis two system in one.... what a joke!!!!

This is such a beautiful Sunday night here and I have to deal with all these nonsense.... suck.

Originally Posted by bacguy

Is there anyone here that will play a live shoe with me either in a casino or online to prove it works? I'll video tape it. Hell I'll even play to see it.

bacguy,

I'd be happy to.

Study the System 40 thread by Ellis first.

My primary mode is System 40, and I've modified it to fit my own style and preferences based on experience. But try first to understand the basic rules of System 40 first, and it'll be easier for you to understand what I'm doing when we play together.

PM me when you're ready.

Well, I for one have a simple question for all of mr. mavericks shills on this forum..

If this system was as good as hyped... why the hell would he want to sell it. He would play it and make his 1000.00 per day and keep his mouth shut just as I would do and so would anyone. All this crap about sharing etc. etc. etc. is bullshit pure and simple.

There are real Baccarat professionals, I know a few, and they do not share their methods, period.

All scammers who try to sell their crap to want-a-be professionals use the same tactics. Get a few cloneys to post and ask questions and build interest in their so called winning system and attack anyone who disagrees that this is the system to win with and make some easy money.

Again, all I can say is if it were a winning system to begin with, it would not be for sale. All this crap about wanting to help and offer consultation and tutoring and I’ll hold your hand is a bunch of crap designed for one purpose and one purpose only.. and we all know what that is.

IF your system was a winner we wouldn’t even know your name.

Dark

Bacguy, since I have a few hours before taking off for my casino trip, I will reply you here.

First, I apologize if I was too blunt and hurt you if anything. It is not my intention. If you have read whatever I posted before, you will know that I hardly talked much about other systems.

But, this maverick thing is getting crazy and it don't deserved that. I came to know of how maverick being created and know the people behind it. It not worth $1k. Well, I have done my part to warn people about it and if any suckers think that it is worth paying $1k for that rubbish, go ahead. None of my business.

Originally Posted by bacguy

Hi Bryan,
If your system is working so well, why not share it? If you have already done so, where can one find it here?

I have posted my FLD/OLD thread here, didn't you read it? Then my selective betting trigger, well, you go ask AD (you should be familar, from BTC as well) or daytrader, did they get it. How about this personal endorsement from Ellis to show that I did give out the list before. List of Scammers

Originally Posted by bacguy

Mark shared is whole thing for free to the other members on BTC for a year! That was a year people had to disprove it worked and there was nothing really bad put out about it.

I think we need to set the record straight. It was not "free". You need to pay $50 per month to access that Maverick stuff. If Mark meant to share it, then, why don't he post it here or on the public forum of BTC? Oh, well, he did post something on the public forum.... He post something to lure people to buy into BTC, didn't he? Talking about "free"???

Originally Posted by bacguy

If you are so successful, why are you even on this forum site? Why not just keep it to yourself and just keep doing your own thing? There is nothing here for you to gain here so no reason to post anything, especially since you are no longer sharing anything.

Well, initially my intention here is to share how to win consistently. Many out there got my trigger list and some win, some don't. I decided not to give out anymore due to many reasons, you go read my thread if you want to know.
If you ask why I am still here, go read another thread about MrPink and Profbac got the best answer for you.

Originally Posted by bacguy

I would much rather pay someone to learn something if it works. The question I have is, who here on this forum would be the person to learn from?

If its you, I would be happy to? Garnabby? Archer? Luck of the Irish? He has so many systems to trade, yet I asked him what he prefers to play and I ever got an answer. Is it anyone that has posted on this thread?

You seem to have been around here for a while, so if you could point me in the right direction, that would be great. It seems to be so hard to find anyone here that will step up to the plat and really say that they are successful at all, then have the balls to prove it.

You know, reading statement such as this make me wonder what the hell you been doing all these while.

You have been with BTC for quite sometimes (I supposed at least a month), then, you tell me that you are winning consistently with Maverick. Now, from you statement, you seems to tell me that you are not winning consistently at all.

Which means BTC is not working for you? And maverick is not working for you? Then, why would you put your endorsement on it? And for goodness sake, it is not the first time you endorse Maverick. You can deny, but, I read it, both here and on BTC public forum.

So, why endorse something that you are not winning? And here you are looking for ways to win?

You need me to prove anything to you? Go ask AD, daytrader or whoever on BTC that got my trigger list? Did they pay a single cent for that? And if anyone send me a PM asking any baccarat question, did I answer them? Well, helping people free means not getting anything back in return, if there is any form of money involved, it is not free.

And, for goodness sake, ask yourself, will you sell your system for $1k if you are winning $1k daily? And the clear reason why Mark is selling that is because he is not winning regularly and he need the $1k from suckers to cover his ass when he lost till his pant drop (such as the 234 unit lost).

Bryan, don't take it too seriously. He wasn't nurtured enough by Ellis from Btc that he feels we are all the same.

Originally Posted by Bryan

Bacguy, since I have a few hours before taking off for my casino trip, I will reply you here.

First, I apologize if I was too blunt and hurt you if anything. It is not my intention. If you have read whatever I posted before, you will know that I hardly talked much about other systems.

But, this maverick thing is getting crazy and it don't deserved that. I came to know of how maverick being created and know the people behind it. It not worth $1k. Well, I have done my part to warn people about it and if any suckers think that it is worth paying $1k for that rubbish, go ahead. None of my business.



I have posted my FLD/OLD thread here, didn't you read it? Then my selective betting trigger, well, you go ask AD (you should be familar, from BTC as well) or daytrader, did they get it. How about this personal endorsement from Ellis to show that I did give out the list before. List of Scammers



I think we need to set the record straight. It was not "free". You need to pay $50 per month to access that Maverick stuff. If Mark meant to share it, then, why don't he post it here or on the public forum of BTC? Oh, well, he did post something on the public forum.... He post something to lure people to buy into BTC, didn't he? Talking about "free"???



Well, initially my intention here is to share how to win consistently. Many out there got my trigger list and some win, some don't. I decided not to give out anymore due to many reasons, you go read my thread if you want to know.
If you ask why I am still here, go read another thread about MrPink and Profbac got the best answer for you.



You know, reading statement such as this make me wonder what the hell you been doing all these while.

You have been with BTC for quite sometimes (I supposed at least a month), then, you tell me that you are winning consistently with Maverick. Now, from you statement, you seems to tell me that you are not winning consistently at all.

Which means BTC is not working for you? And maverick is not working for you? Then, why would you put your endorsement on it? And for goodness sake, it is not the first time you endorse Maverick. You can deny, but, I read it, both here and on BTC public forum.

So, why endorse something that you are not winning? And here you are looking for ways to win?

You need me to prove anything to you? Go ask AD, daytrader or whoever on BTC that got my trigger list? Did they pay a single cent for that? And if anyone send me a PM asking any baccarat question, did I answer them? Well, helping people free means not getting anything back in return, if there is any form of money involved, it is not free.

And, for goodness sake, ask yourself, will you sell your system for $1k if you are winning $1k daily? And the clear reason why Mark is selling that is because he is not winning regularly and he need the $1k from suckers to cover his ass when he lost till his pant drop (such as the 234 unit lost).

Bryan,

Yes I have been on here for a while but i apologize as I have not seen your thread. I guess I was looking for something close tot the top as I thought it would be ongoing since the insinuation is that it does so well. Also with so much name calling and arguing here, its hard to find anything of substance.

Thank you for your reply, but it didn't provide me with an answer to my previous question. I don't care what anyone else said or did. My questions was simple.

Are you willing to play live and show me that your system works, whatever it is? Are you willing to share it?

You said you did it before, but the trigger list is not there anymore. For proof, you want me to ask someone else that you gave it to? I don't understand what that proves? I would think if you gave it away, and it has been working, wouldn't there be a lot of public praise for you right here on this forum?

So far, the only people to have answered my request with any honesty, has been LuckofIrish and Davel.

I take it from your answer that you are not willing to publicly show that you can win with your system. You said your original intent was to show that people can win consistently. I guess that is not your intent any more?

You mentioned you gave away your trigger list before to other BTC people. Did they win with it? Or are you just bad mouthing them because they lost with it? Is there anyone you can name that is consistently winning with your system? I mean you said that was your original intention. Did you succeed?

I am NOT endorsing Mark or Maverick in any way, nor am I claiming its the best system or that I am any better. Geez, I was just asking so that I could do better. Is that wrong? I can't understand why you get so defensive, but I guess you have your reasons.

So I guess I have to ask someone else for your trigger list, because you still don't want to provide it. Even though in the amount of time it took you to write your reply, you could have easily just cut and paste the list and given it to me, since you make yourself out to be such a noble and self-righteous kind of guy. I guess you have your reasons for not sharing.

I'm not endorsing Mark or Maverick. I just posed a simple observation and a simple question. Its amazing how its usually the people who talk a lot on these places, have very little to say when they are actually confronted to step and and show what they are doing.

Its so easy to criticize. How about coming up with a solution, then backing it up? I know what people will say, they will say "Why should I?" That they don't have to prove anything. Well you would be right. You don't have to do anything.

But then how can you criticize, but not do the very thing about your own system that you are asking of others?

That's why I asked. Who is willing to prove publicly that there system works?

Davel says it Sys 40 and he is happy to prove it.

Luckof Irish told me he admits that out of a the systems he has, or at least the ones he's tried, he has not found a consistent way to win. I guess that means he tried yours and it didn't work for him?

I'm still waiting for other answers. It will be interesting to see who out of all the vocal persons who were quick to criticize here on this thread, will actually step up to the plate?

My guess is very few, if any. Because they know full well that if they do, they will be shit on by everyone else here. I am dying to see if Garnabby, or Archer, or Pity will offer to do it.

I hope so. That way hopefully EVERYONE who reads this will get an honest overview of who is really who they say they are and what to play.

I think you claimed you stopped sharing it because you don't want to be responsible for people losing. How is that your responsibility? Its not your fault. We are all grown ups here and must be responsible for our own actions. You can't have it both ways. Either you are happy to share it so you do and you would leave it up on this free forum. Or you don't want to for whatever reason. But you can't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

The consensus is that if anyone tries to sell anything about Baccarat, it must be a scam, because why would they sell it? Now what about if you just give it away? Whats the difference? Does that make it any better? If it so good, doesn't the same argument hold true? Why would you share it at all? Now if thats the case, what are we all hoping to find here at this place?

I rebutted you because you are not talking the truth from your early post. So, why don't you tell us honestly, are you winning from playing maverick?

And just because we tell people that buying system is like throwing money into sea, we (I, Archer, Garb and others) need to prove to you that our system work? What logics is that? Don't you think you are childish?

And I won't reply you anymore... wasted my monday morning arguing with someone who never read my thread and accuse me of never giving out the trigger list.

If you think that your $1k can help to cover Mark ass, then go ahead.

Originally Posted by Dak

Well, I for one have a simple question for all of mr. mavericks shills on this forum..

If this system was as good as hyped... why the hell would he want to sell it. He would play it and make his 1000.00 per day and keep his mouth shut just as I would do and so would anyone. All this crap about sharing etc. etc. etc. is bullshit pure and simple.

Well said. Sadly, many suckers still believe in all these craps.