Thread: King: FREE Baccarat Strategy

I've been using a Baccarat strategy since March of this year, so far I'm up over $30,000.

Here's the strategy:

1. Enter tables when 25-45 hands have been played.
2. The table will either be (more single jumps or twos) or (more of streaks of 3s, 4s or more)
3. If table has more single jumps/twos - when it hits 1 banker/player, bet 1 unit on the opposite, if win, repeat, if lose, bet 2 units on the opposite. - I try to use this method as less as possible because it is a possible 3U investment for a 1U return, and it is very likely to hit 3s and 4s, losing 3U before winning 1U.
4. If table has more streaks of 3s/4s or more - when it hits 1 banker/player, bet 1 unit on the previous winning hand, if win, bet 2 units, hoping it will go to 3 streak, if win again, keep betting 1 unit until streak ends. - I enjoy using this method more because of the 1U investment for a 3U profit, and if the first 25-45 of the shoe indicates a streaky pattern, it is very unlikely for the shoe to NEVER go past 2 B/P. You can see why 1U investment, 4U return (3U profit) works perfectly for these shoes.

For me personally, I bring 10 units (1000$) and I leave casino once I win 5 units (500$).

As you can see, this system requires betting at most 2 units.

This strategy is very mechanical, the most important part is to examine the first 35%-55% of the shoe and decide which of the two strategies to use. Usually, if the first 1/3 - half shoe is full of (1s and 2s) or (3s and 4s or more) the shoe tends to stay that way.

King
If you lose 2 bets in a row 1,2 do you keep betting or wait for another signal. If you wait for another signal do you go back to 1 unit bet or go to a 3 units bet.

bulldog

Hi king,your strategy sound logical. I do agree at times bias of shoe do occur. May I know what is your cut loss if is against u? It do happen when ist 30-40 Hands are steaky but become choppy later part...have u encounter so far with your method??
Thanks for sharing your winning method which is straight forward, clear & understanding..Unlike some other post that I'd read.....

Regards,
rainbowfree.

Rainbowfree,
My advise if you intend to use this method, use it with cautious. In my years of playing bac, my experience is exactly opposite of what King wrote.

HLKHOO

Originally Posted by hlkhoo

Rainbowfree,
My advise if you intend to use this method, use it with cautious. In my years of playing bac, my experience is exactly opposite of what King wrote.

HLKHOO

+1 here. I looked over 200 record live shoes, if it starts streaking then it'll go
chopping, then streaking, i.e. I dont think the whole
shoes will stay 12121313 or 4313413 forever.

Skylynesr

If the shoe begins streaky:

BBBB
PPPPPP
BB
PPPPP
B
PPP
BBB
etc..

(It is very unlikely for the shoe to suddenly turn into BPBPBBPBPBPB if the shoe begins as a streaky shoe. The streaky start may have multiple 3/4+ B/P, however, method 2 - streaky shoe method - only requires that it hits a streak of 3 B/P to win 3U for 1U investment - if using method 2. It is very rare for a shoe to begin with constant 3/4+ B/P but in the middle/end of shoe it never exceeds 2 B/P.)

King

Maybe this is already part of it; if not then you could start betting immediately after the targeted pattern (chop or streak) shows itself after last several hands:

For example,

3. Chop BPBP bet B ...

4. Streak BBBPPPBBPPPB bet B ...

I like the overall strategy which uses information from first 25-45 hands (rather than just ignore past data). If shoe is biased then more likely to continue pattern than not.

As ever, I would want to test on live shoe data.

Thanks for posting.

Thanks KING...thankuverymuch...

You're welcome.

For those of you that are patient enough, feel free to adjust my Method 2 to only betting Banker, it improves your odds slightly.

Hi ,king
we cannot find 25-45 our shoe is +/- 60(burn card)(genting)

only 25-20 seldomly
or 30-20 is rarely

and you go around you will forget, your foot become hard ,like a pillar stone

Originally Posted by bulldog

King
If you lose 2 bets in a row 1,2 do you keep betting or wait for another signal. If you wait for another signal do you go back to 1 unit bet or go to a 3 units bet.

bulldog

Morning !!sir,

1 row jump,jump 1,2 lose (3 streak )

next row streak,streak/follow 1,2,

zigzag win
streak win

I joined this forum a few days ago because I found a discussion about ShuffleMaster, through Google. I made my contribution to that thread and then I started checking other threads. This thread here is the second one I checked.

I have to admit that I was surprised to find that forum members are seriously discussing gambling systems that supposedly beat casinos at their own games. Then I looked more through the forum and found more of the same type of discussions.

To be hones, I was taken aback a bit, after discovering what is being discussed here, and did not quite know what to say. Last thing I want is to come across in any negative way, but if I am to take part in any such discussions I have to make it very clear where I stand with regards to gambling systems.

What I want to know is, are you guys aware that there's a million foolproof mathematical reasons why gambling systems don't work? One reason being that every bet in any casino has a negative expectation and no matter how you bet, you can't win. Casinos always win in the long run. Any wins that system players might experience are short run fluctuations. But the more you play, with or without systems, the more you give casinos a chance to take your money, because casinos collect profits from any winning wagers. So, every time a winning wager is paid, the casino shortchanges the "winner." In a game that is almost a 50/50 proposition, such as baccarat, a player would have to win more than 50% of the times, in the long run, to eliminate the effect of being shortchanged on winning wagers. But in a game of chance it is impossible to count on winning more than 50% of the time, in the long run, without having some way of interfering with the results.

Anyway... all that stuff can lead to long discussions. I am happy to take part in such discussions if there's interest.

Originally Posted by MrPink

What I want to know is, are you guys aware that there's a million foolproof mathematical reasons why gambling systems don't work? One reason being that every bet in any casino has a negative expectation and no matter how you bet, you can't win. Casinos always win in the long run. Any wins that system players might experience are short run fluctuations. But the more you play, with or without systems, the more you give casinos a chance to take your money, because casinos collect profits from any winning wagers. So, every time a winning wager is paid, the casino shortchanges the "winner." In a game that is almost a 50/50 proposition, such as baccarat, a player would have to win more than 50% of the times, in the long run, to eliminate the effect of being shortchanged on winning wagers. But in a game of chance it is impossible to count on winning more than 50% of the time, in the long run, without having some way of interfering with the results.

Anyway... all that stuff can lead to long discussions. I am happy to take part in such discussions if there's interest.

First what you are saying is not quite true. Their are various means to get a positive expectation at casino games. The obvious one is card-counting at blackjack. Sports also. Poker doesn't have a negative expectation if you are better than the other players. There are many, many other examples.

Now I think what you are getting at is that systems based on trends/streaks/progressions whatever do nothing to change the house edge. You are correct. None of those systems work. You can tell people this till you are blue in the face and they won't get it. I wouldn't bother frankly-it is an argument that has been done to death a million times over. All you need to be able to do to understand such systems don't work is google, if someone can't do that then frankly it is a waste of time trying to reason with them, it is their money.

You can get a positive expectation at baccarat by card-counting, methods designed to predict the appearance of a specific card, promos, or dealer errors. There are other methods I won't go into.
Interestingly none of these areas are discussed on this forum. It is easier to promote simple systems which don't work than it is to promote complex systems that actually win.

Originally Posted by MrPink

I joined this forum a few days ago because I found a discussion about ShuffleMaster, through Google. I made my contribution to that thread and then I started checking other threads. This thread here is the second one I checked.

I have to admit that I was surprised to find that forum members are seriously discussing gambling systems that supposedly beat casinos at their own games. Then I looked more through the forum and found more of the same type of discussions.

To be hones, I was taken aback a bit, after discovering what is being discussed here, and did not quite know what to say. Last thing I want is to come across in any negative way, but if I am to take part in any such discussions I have to make it very clear where I stand with regards to gambling systems.

What I want to know is, are you guys aware that there's a million foolproof mathematical reasons why gambling systems don't work? One reason being that every bet in any casino has a negative expectation and no matter how you bet, you can't win. Casinos always win in the long run. Any wins that system players might experience are short run fluctuations. But the more you play, with or without systems, the more you give casinos a chance to take your money, because casinos collect profits from any winning wagers. So, every time a winning wager is paid, the casino shortchanges the "winner." In a game that is almost a 50/50 proposition, such as baccarat, a player would have to win more than 50% of the times, in the long run, to eliminate the effect of being shortchanged on winning wagers. But in a game of chance it is impossible to count on winning more than 50% of the time, in the long run, without having some way of interfering with the results.

Anyway... all that stuff can lead to long discussions. I am happy to take part in such discussions if there's interest.

you use Simon progressive system 99% win dare you?

Thanks for your reply, GBV, and for sharing your 2 cents.

I regret to say, however, that I have to respectfully disagree with some of the things that you say. Let's go over some of the points.

Originally Posted by GBV

First what you are saying is not quite true. Their are various means to get a positive expectation at casino games.

I do agree that there are ways to get an edge over the house. But it is still true that every single bet in a casino has a negative expectation. The issue is: is XYZ game a beatable game, or not? If it is a beatable game then a player can get an edge through some kind of strategy. If it is not a beatable game then the player can only get an edge through various "unorthodox" methods. But a player can never get an edge by employing betting systems and pseudo theories about strings and fluctuations of independent events of chance.

Originally Posted by GBV

The obvious one is card-counting at blackjack. Sports also. Poker doesn't have a negative expectation if you are better than the other players.

In the above example, the only game that you mention that is a true casino game is blackjack. Poker is not a casino game, even if played in a casino. By "casino game" I mean a pit game, where players wager against the house.

Now, there's not anyone in the world that hasn't heard how BJ can be beat by counting cards. The problem is that people tend to a) oversimplify things, and b) hear only the parts that they want to hear and then choose to believe what they wish were true. The truth is that BJ can be a beatable game. But it is only a beatable game if certain criteria are met. The truth is that BJ varies form casino to casino and one cannot generalize the statement that BJ can be beat by card counting. In other words, many casinos have changed how BJ is played and nowadays in many casinos the days of card counting are over.

But still, in the best case scenario, the positive edge that a perfect card counter may expect to get is around 1%. That's not much of an edge, but I do agree that if a player maintains a 1% edge there is absolutely no way that a casino can win. The problem is, in practice, can a player maintain a perfect game at all times? If a player makes mistakes in the count, which leads to mistakes in the bet spreads and mistakes in hit and stand decisions, then a player no longer has that thin 1% edge. And even with a perfect 1% edge the results are indistinguishable from luck up until the player maintained a perfect game throughout about 10,000 independent rounds. After about 10,000 rounds of playing the player is no longer gambling.

So, having said that, people hoping analyze some statistics after about 25 rounds are dreaming. Not to mention the fact that there is absolutely no comparison between sound mathematical principles on blackjack (where players make their own hit and stand decisions) and a games of luck such as baccarat, roulette or the old coin flip.

Originally Posted by GBV

There are many, many other examples.

I'm sorry if I sound blunt but I don't really think you really believe that. I am saying that based on your previous list of games, which included BJ, sports ad poker. On that initial list only BJ is actually a casino game. So, I don't really think you can say that there are many other beatable casino games.

Originally Posted by GBV

Now I think what you are getting at is that systems based on trends/streaks/progressions whatever do nothing to change the house edge. You are correct. None of those systems work. You can tell people this till you are blue in the face and they won't get it. I wouldn't bother frankly-it is an argument that has been done to death a million times over. All you need to be able to do to understand such systems don't work is google, if someone can't do that then frankly it is a waste of time trying to reason with them, it is their money.

I am fully in agreement with this.

Originally Posted by GBV

You can get a positive expectation at baccarat by card-counting, methods designed to predict the appearance of a specific card, promos, or dealer errors. There are other methods I won't go into.
Interestingly none of these areas are discussed on this forum. It is easier to promote simple systems which don't work than it is to promote complex systems that actually win.

There are parts here I agree with, such as that it is easier to promote simple systems that don't work. People in general like to look for simple solutions. In reality there are no simple solutions to complex issues. But there's never been a shortage of people that dream of hitting it big, either at at lotto, in a casino or simply finding money in an abandoned bag on the street.

The part I don't agree with is that baccarat can be beat by card counting. The world's leading mathematicians have already published papers that prove that card counting does not work on baccarat. That's the short version of the story. Now, the math that's involved in proving this is actually more complex that can be comprehended by the average person. So, we can either chose to believe that this is true, or not. But whatever we chose to believe in there is still a historic record of casinos beating the players at games of chance that are rigged to favor the house.

I chose the word rigged on purpose. My point is that to beat a rigged game one must resort to methods that actually stand a chance.

Casinos have a mathematical advantage, right? So people reason that they can beat that advantage with some of their own "math." The problem is that one cannot actually devise a mathematical system that will beat a house that a) sets the rules of the game in their own favor, and b) shortchanges every player on every winning wager. If a house shortchanges every winner 5 cents on every dollar, then it takes a player 2,000 one-dollar bets to lose a bankroll of $100. All a player has to do to lose it all is to keep playing. On losing rounds he loses the entire wager, obviously, and on "winning" rounds he loses the "small" amount he is being shortchanged by the bank. Eventually he "wins" enough times to lose it all. And that's pretty much the history of casino gambling.

Gambling is about risk and opportunity..Nobody should ever walk into a casino and play on sound mathematical principles the casinos edge will ruin u..Everybody already knows that...The only math u need to worry about is within ur own bankroll and MM strategy..and most strategies posted regards the casino edge as a golden rule.(stop loss vs wins). For the math doctor..there is a solid mathematical edge called the kelly criterion..and conditional probabilities based on stochastic math.Proven with no need to debate.In fact if u want to put it on paper..theres a whole lot of mathematical edge against u beyond the casinos edge u should worry about..i.e. the national debt.U gonna let that stop u from living? And how about the taxes u pay on everything..isnt that a neg.edge? Look at the poster here..King..he is up 30 K..i don't think the house edge is bothering him..

Originally Posted by pitty1

Gambling is about risk and opportunity..

I can't disagree that gambling is about opportunities. However, since we do seem to have different beliefs I would dare say that we may not have the same definition what "opportunity" means in the world of gambling.

Originally Posted by pitty1

The only math u need to worry about is within ur own bankroll and MM strategy..

Do I understand correctly that one should not worry about the casino edge? A mathematical advantage will not go away just because we ignore it, i.e. not worry about it. It's there whether we worry about it or not.

Also, you say that the only math to worry about is own bankroll. I will argue that the math that has to do with the player's bankroll is precisely the math of the casino edge, once any part of the bankroll is committed to a wager against that casino. Wouldn't you say so?

Originally Posted by pitty1

and most strategies posted regards the casino edge as a golden rule.(stop loss vs wins). For the math doctor..there is a solid mathematical edge called the kelly criterion..

OK, so how would Kelly work in baccarat? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a gambler wanted to follow Kelly the gambler would have to make a bet that (for example) Player will not win. That's not the same as placing a bet that Banker will win, right? And on a baccarat layout there is no place to put down a wager that player will not win.

Originally Posted by pitty1

..theres a whole lot of mathematical edge against u beyond the casinos edge u should worry about..i.e. the national debt.

I really think the national debt issue, and how it affects the economy, is a totally different animal.

Originally Posted by pitty1

And how about the taxes u pay on everything..isnt that a neg.edge?

I think you are saying that the casino edge should be regarded as a small tax on the winnings. I can only say that that's a total misinterpretation of how the casino edge works.

A tax on net profit is a fixed percentage once the profit has been realized (usually through some kind of productive service or production, which is not the same as gambling, which is a monetary transaction without product or service).

The casino edge works on a totally different principle. If a casino were to offer a coin toss they would take your dollar every time you lose and they would pay you .95c on your dollar every time you win. If you had a $100 bankroll you would lose that money in 2,000 winning coin tosses. Now, one would argue that if you won 2,000 times you'd have won 2,000 x .95c, which amounts to $1,900. So, who cares about losing that 100 bucks, right? Wrong! Because to win 2,000 times, on a 50/50 game of chance you don't just make 2,000 winning bets and walk away. To simplify things (and disregard standard deviation) you could say that you'd have to make 4,000 bets, of which you lose 2,000 of them (50%) and win the other 2,000 (the other 50% of bets). Well, in those 4,000 bets you have negative $2,000 and positive $1,900. There goes 100% of your $100 bankroll in 2,000 "wins."

The principle described here, which is the principle of the casino edge, is not the same principle as the principle of the IRS collecting a fixed tax percentage on net earnings. But most gamblers have no idea how the casino edge works, or chose to "ignore" it. But as I've stated above, Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.

Originally Posted by pitty1

Look at the poster here..King..he is up 30 K..i don't think the house edge is bothering him..

With all due respect to King... First let me say that I wish him all well and that I'm happy for his $30K. But here's the thing...

He says he's betting $100 units. That means that he had to have won 300 times to end up with $30k to his name. I am assuming that he didn't just play 300 winning wagers, so he also lost some. And then he had to have won some more to compensate for his lost bets, and end up $30k on top.

King doesn't say how many rounds of baccarat he played. As I've explained in my BJ post...

...even with a perfect 1% edge the results are indistinguishable from luck up until the player maintained a perfect game throughout about 10,000 independent rounds...

...so, I would guess (based on the fact that he is up $30k) that King has not yet played a sufficient number of wagers to make the math kick in. The thing is, he thinks that he has an edge over the casino, but I say that the casino still has an edge over him. So, the day he loses all the money he's ever won at baccarat, plus some more, will be the day the math did its thing.

Originally Posted by pitty1

...Proven with no need to debate...

One thing that definitely time proven is the fact that the hose always wins. That's something you can take to the bank. Any casino will break the players if the players give the casino enough action. All the players need to do to lose it all is to keep playing. It doesn't matter what "mathematical principles" they try to implement or what bets they play or what money management they adhere to. The players will always lose... eventually. And those that have won (without influencing the outcome) are just short term lucky winners. Casinos need those guys because those "winners" maintain the illusion that it is possible to win. Without them people would soon wise up and stay away from casinos.

There are ways to win at gambling, even against the casinos. But those ways involve principles that I haven't seen discussed here as of yet.

Originally Posted by MrPink

I can't disagree that gambling is about opportunities. However, since we do seem to have different beliefs I would dare say that we may not have the same definition what "opportunity" means in the world of gambling.


Do I understand correctly that one should not worry about the casino edge? A mathematical advantage will not go away just because we ignore it, i.e. not worry about it. It's there whether we worry about it or not.

Also, you say that the only math to worry about is own bankroll. I will argue that the math that has to do with the player's bankroll is precisely the math of the casino edge, once any part of the bankroll is committed to a wager against that casino. Wouldn't you say so?


OK, so how would Kelly work in baccarat? Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a gambler wanted to follow Kelly the gambler would have to make a bet that (for example) Player will not win. That's not the same as placing a bet that Banker will win, right? And on a baccarat layout there is no place to put down a wager that player will not win.


I really think the national debt issue, and how it affects the economy, is a totally different animal.


I think you are saying that the casino edge should be regarded as a small tax on the winnings. I can only say that that's a total misinterpretation of how the casino edge works.

A tax on net profit is a fixed percentage once the profit has been realized (usually through some kind of productive service or production, which is not the same as gambling, which is a monetary transaction without product or service).

The casino edge works on a totally different principle. If a casino were to offer a coin toss they would take your dollar every time you lose and they would pay you .95c on your dollar every time you win. If you had a $100 bankroll you would lose that money in 2,000 winning coin tosses. Now, one would argue that if you won 2,000 times you'd have won 2,000 x .95c, which amounts to $1,900. So, who cares about losing that 100 bucks, right? Wrong! Because to win 2,000 times, on a 50/50 game of chance you don't just make 2,000 winning bets and walk away. To simplify things (and disregard standard deviation) you could say that you'd have to make 4,000 bets, of which you lose 2,000 of them (50%) and win the other 2,000 (the other 50% of bets). Well, in those 4,000 bets you have negative $2,000 and positive $1,900. There goes 100% of your $100 bankroll in 2,000 "wins."

The principle described here, which is the principle of the casino edge, is not the same principle as the principle of the IRS collecting a fixed tax percentage on net earnings. But most gamblers have no idea how the casino edge works, or chose to "ignore" it. But as I've stated above, Ignoring it doesn't make it go away.


With all due respect to King... First let me say that I wish him all well and that I'm happy for his $30K. But here's the thing...

He says he's betting $100 units. That means that he had to have won 300 times to end up with $30k to his name. I am assuming that he didn't just play 300 winning wagers, so he also lost some. And then he had to have won some more to compensate for his lost bets, and end up $30k on top.

King doesn't say how many rounds of baccarat he played. As I've explained in my BJ post...

...so, I would guess (based on the fact that he is up $30k) that King has not yet played a sufficient number of wagers to make the math kick in. The thing is, he thinks that he has an edge over the casino, but I say that the casino still has an edge over him. So, the day he loses all the money he's ever won at baccarat, plus some more, will be the day the math did its thing.


One thing that definitely time proven is the fact that the hose always wins. That's something you can take to the bank. Any casino will break the players if the players give the casino enough action. All the players need to do to lose it all is to keep playing. It doesn't matter what "mathematical principles" they try to implement or what bets they play or what money management they adhere to. The players will always lose... eventually. And those that have won (without influencing the outcome) are just short term lucky winners. Casinos need those guys because those "winners" maintain the illusion that it is possible to win. Without them people would soon wise up and stay away from casinos.

There are ways to win at gambling, even against the casinos. But those ways involve principles that I haven't seen discussed here as of yet.

Mr.Pink,

Thank you for your contributions in this this forum, you said there are ways to win at gambling against the casino and involve principles that haven,t been discussed before at this forum.

Can you enlighten us what are those principles ?

Let,s start to explore about it,now

Originally Posted by mikewyne

Mr.Pink,

...you said there are ways to win at gambling against the casino and involve principles that haven,t been discussed before at this forum.

Can you enlighten us what are those principles?

Let,s start to explore about it,now

OK, that's a fair request. After all, I did mention in some threads that such principles do exist. I also mentioned that some of those principles are "unorthodox" (or however you want to call them).

To be honest, I completely missed this question here from mikewyne, posted 15 days ago, which is why I am replying late. Now, I really don't like to go back to stuff that I'd rather forget, but as some of you know in the past 15 days there's been some disagreements on this board, regarding my posts, and the whole thing blew out of proportion. I know that some of the members here don't like my posts, so before I go any further I have to respectfully request that those members keep their bad feelings to themselves. Basically, if you don't like what I post you don't have to participate.

Since I really do not know if anyone here even cares at this point to hear anything that I have to say I will leave it up to you to let me know. If you want me to post something simply start a new thread and copy and paste the text that I am going to write inside of ### markers. If you do that I will reply to that post and continue participating in the thread. However, in the event that no one does that I will simply take it as a message that I am not welcome here. I can respect this and simply withdraw from this board.

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What I can post about are "unorthodox" methods of gaining an advantage over the casinos. Those can me classified in two groups: cheating and advantage play.

I really don't want to discuss cheating on this board (for a number of reasons) but I don't mind discussing some methods of advantage play. In a nutshell, advantage play is an industry term that refers to numerous methods that so-called advantage players might use to gain an advantage on certain rounds of play. Since advantage play is not exactly cheating the advantage players can only resort to those methods when the opportunities present themselves. This may not sound like much but consider one possible scenario.

Imagine that there is a team of advantage players betting at the same table. Members of the team are offsetting their bets throughout any rounds where no advantage play methods can be used. During those rounds the team members don't really play against the house, they just keep up the appearance. But as soon as the opportunity present itself, and this opportunity carries a true advantage for those that know what to do, they all place the bet that carries the known advantage. The advantage is usually not a 100% known outcome. Most often it is just an advantage, which means that the team can just as easily lose on that round. But the point is that a team of advantage players can simply play against the house only on the rounds with the known advantage. I'm sure we all understand that...

So, what are some advantage play techniques?

There are many and we can only discuss one at a time. Ideally a team would have many available techniques and simply play them as soon as they present themselves. There are problems, of course: this approach requires a lot of patience, all techniques cannot be used in all casinos, all techniques cannot be used against all dealers, and so on.

Most often advantage play techniques are used against casinos that have poor procedures. There are plenty such casinos all over the world and one must know how to find them. But if one is willing to travel a bit, it's actually not that difficult. And some parts of the world are simply known for bad casino procedures. For example, one should not hope to find too many bad baccarat procedures in Macau, but elsewhere...

What could be the first advantage play technique that we might discuss?

I guess I should just pick one out of the hat. I want to make this thread interesting, so I don't just want to write up a page with instructions. I prefer to just give you guys some food for thought, let you post a few replies to see what you think and then give you some more information. Kind of like one step at a time. I want to do it this way because I think it is more interesting to discuss things like that. If I just wanted to write up a set of instructions I don't need to join a forum, I might as well just post an article on my blog.

Also, I can't really predict how things will evolve in these discussion but as a general rule I think I want to leave out some information. So, in other words, instead of revealing 100% of the information I may just reveal 80%. The only reason is because I really never reveal all, as a general rule.

I want to emphasize that this is absolutely not some kind of bait to make people want to purchase some kind of publication. If I only reveal 80% of a technique that doesn't mean that the remaining 20% can be purchased through one of my sites or whatnot. If I only reveal 80% that simply means that I don't want to reveal any more. So, the remaining 20% cannot be found anywhere at all.

Now, I will start by giving you some clues as to what might open up some advantage play possibilities in the first example that we can discuss. Here we go...

As you all know, casinos use different kind of dealing shoes. Sometimes it makes a difference if the dealing shoe is clear, red, yellow of black. In our example a black dealing shoe might in some cases open up some advantage play possibilities. The emphasis is on the word might do so.

Certain other conditions would have to be met for this to work. Those other conditions have to do with the procedures. Casinos have different procedures and what might work in one casino may be completely impossible in another.

The first scenario I am going to discuss may not be the best scenario there is. Although, what is best? In my opinion best would be whatever works without detection. So, some might argue that the technique in this discussion is not the best one. I will not argue with that. But it is a technique that does work if certain conditions are met. That's all that matters. Some might also say that this scenario would not work in most places or even that this opportunity doesn't present itself often. Again, that's all irrelevant. It's just the first scenario I offer for discussion.

So, any ideas? What could a black shoe possibly offer to an advantage player? The biggest clue is the black shoe, but just to keep everyone in the right direction I need to reveal another clue: the casino is using manual shuffles.

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If you want to continue this discussion simply start a new thread, write up a short intro and copy and paste all the text inside the ### markers in the new thread. I will give the folks here a chance to brainstorm and give the opportunity for people to write up their own ideas. Then I will join in. I guess the title of the thread could be something along the lines of Advantage Play Possibilities with Black Dealing Shoe.

In closing, I do want to mention that I am about to go on a 10 day trip and will have limited access to the internet starting in a few days from now. So, it is very likely that I won't even visit the forum after I post my reply. But I will revisit it after I'm back.

if you win $30,000.. better stop right there...

bring $1000 per visisit? it won't take too long to lose all the money...or more....

Since mid-July to now (slightly over one month), I have encountered 5 losing sessions and 32 winning sessions - resulting in a total net profit of approx $11,000 over the past month - total net profit to date of over $41,000.

It is very important to not cash in more money after losing the initial 1k in the same session!

I have experienced numerous occasions where people cash in 2k after losing 1k and 5k after 2k etc. with hopes of gaining their losses and winning some in one session.

If I lose my initial 1k (very rare) prior to gaining 500$ profit - I take a walk, maybe have a juice or eat some snacks - Come back with 1000$ and win 500$ - Stop and repeat (Explaining why I had 5 losing sessions / 32 winning sessions - total of 37 sessions - over only 30 days). Sometimes I play more than 1 session a day, some days I don't go to casino at all.

I hope this post was helpful.

Originally Posted by MrPink

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What a load of dribble, 99.99% utter waffle, finally we have "advantage black shoe"?

As I was fast reading that essay, I kept on thinking, get to the point for christ sake.

Are you lonely or something Mr Pink go and catch yourself a Missus Pink, maybe then you won't waste so much time on a forum dedicated to a game you know nothing about.

Originally Posted by Egalite

What a load of dribble, 99.99% utter waffle, finally we have "advantage black shoe"?

As I was fast reading that essay, I kept on thinking, get to the point for christ sake.

Are you lonely or something Mr Pink go and catch yourself a Missus Pink, maybe then you won't waste so much time on a forum dedicated to a game you know nothing about.

Dear Egalite,

Go to any casino and gamble with your winning systems and ignore any advantage play information that may come your way.

And while you're at it, go fuck yourself. You're just a miserable coward that's hiding behind an alias.

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