Maverick

[ADulay]

C'mon Andy. Stop your bullshit. If Mark Mav is your friend then you got the same apology letter that everyone else did saying that he was banned.

Brian,

Why are you jumping on me? I got asked a question and I answered it.

I run Maverick every day and take +10 from Bet Phoenix every day, except today where I got +28.

If you don't like Maverick, Ellis, BTC or anything else, take it up with them. I'm just a player who happens to use Maverick and wins with it.

Your mileage may vary.

AD

[briang57]

The author has gone "solo" but still remains a friend and we talk on Skype while playing online from time to time.AD

Don't make statements like this when you know Mark was banned by Ellis and Keith from BTC. He did not go "solo" by choice. He was robbed and denied access to his own files. If you want to be a puppet for Ellis do it somewhere else. We know better here.

[Bryan]

I have taken a look at the Maverick manual courtesy from John. Correct me if I am wrong, but, the entire Maverick is made up of 2 different systems from Ellis.

No disrespect, but, Mark probably won't be able to come up with those if he is not exposed to the system taught by Ellis. But, credit to him, he is able to merge them into a play and question must be asked why those self claimed experts at BTC thought of them in the first place.

And, if what I read here is true, then, I think there is serious integrity problem at BTC with the banning of members due to maverick.....

[pitty1]

Hi ADulay,as a regular player of the maverick..do u encounter alot of conditions that require more then 2 different bet selections per shoe on average? does the one up down two mandatory two hold up when the when events may leave u with both options to pick but the other bet selection would of been a better bet? thanks....
I seen banning for lude behavior but over a popular strategy?..what a bad bad king elsi is.

[briang57]

Correct me if I am wrong, but, the entire Maverick is made up of 2 different systems from Ellis.

As far as I know, Ellis came up with RD1. Mark Maverick modified it to RD1-Hybrid for Maverick.

I doubt very much that F2 was an original method of Ellis's. Greed is what got the best of BTC. When people started paying $1,000 for a Maverick Mentoring Program plus $100 per month for support to Mark, BTC wanted the money coming their way instead so they kicked him and his followers out and denied access to the files Mark created.

Just a few weeks ago BTC was protecting Maverick for the "author" which is Mark. Now that he made money without them, they claim it is theirs and they will soon come out with a new 'simpler' version. It's the same old shell game they play to get people to pay $50 over and over for the latest, fiftieth version of anything that creates interest. This time, they exposed themselves for what they really are. Good job Mark Maverick!

[Bryan]

As far as I know, Ellis came up with RD1. Mark Maverick modified it to RD1-Hybrid for Maverick.

I doubt very much that F2 was an original method of Ellis's. Greed is what got the best of BTC. When people started paying $1,000 for a Maverick Mentoring Program plus $100 per month for support to Mark, BTC wanted the money coming their way instead so they kicked him and his followers out and denied access to the files Mark created.

Just a few weeks ago BTC was protecting Maverick for the "author" which is Mark. Now that he made money without them, they claim it is theirs and they will soon come out with a new 'simpler' version. It's the same old shell game they play to get people to pay $50 over and over for the latest, fiftieth version of anything that creates interest. This time, they exposed themselves for what they really are. Good job Mark Maverick!

Now I can see why Ellis kicked him out.... using his forum to make money and he don't get a share....

Mark claimed to make 1000 units in 2 weeks playing maverick.... at $25/unit, that is a cool $25k for 2 weeks effort and like $50k a month... Did people who paid Mark $1k and $100/mth ever wonder why he bother to spend the time doing the mentor program instead of playing in casino?

A proven system that worked? How long has Maverick being played? Less than a year, isn't it?

[ADulay]

If you want to be a puppet for Ellis do it somewhere else. We know better here.

With that statement, I'll leave the conversation now.

As I watched the entire episode unfold in front of me, I know the timeline and current status of all parties involved.

Whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way of whatever you believe.

AD

[briang57]

[QUOTE=Bryan;22824]Now I can see why Ellis kicked him out.... using his forum to make money and he don't get a share....
QUOTE]

On the other hand, Ellis was getting a lot of suckers to pay $50 a month or $500 lifetime fees to see the system develope by Mark and to see Mark's posted shoes. So, yes Ellis was getting a share for a long time while Mark was getting nothing. When the tables turned they locked him out and assessed the system as "too complicated". However, with $$$ signs in their eyes BTC will publish a new version. This will keep the cash register ringing for them.

I wonder if BTC will now threaten Mark with copyright infringement. If so will Mark's Mentoring program continue? I hear Mark's loyal followers have left with him. Good for them. Others are still sucking up to Ellis. My guess is those are the ones who paid the lifetime fee. Too bad. Try asking for a refund.

[briang57]

Whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way of whatever you believe.

AD

That's right. Like when you wrote:

"Mark (the Maverick author) put together a really good plan for playing baccarat and he has elected to strike out on his own".

Whoops! Is that in your timeline of facts?
You belong in bed with Ellis, Liar.

[ADulay]

That's right. Like when you wrote:

"Mark (the Maverick author) put together a really good plan for playing baccarat and he has elected to strike out on his own".

Whoops! Is that in your timeline of facts?
You belong in bed with Ellis, Liar.

Briang57,

So, what's wrong with my timeline?

Mark elected to go solo and left the forum on his own.

He wasn't kicked off the forum.

He did have a temporary ban when he continued to advertise heavily in his CONTINUED POSTS but that has since been removed.

If you're going to make this stuff up and try to sensationalize whatever it is you're going for, at least take the time to get your facts correct.

As you've now alienated the only three people in this thread who actually play Maverick and win, I'll leave the rest of the questions for you to answer as you appear to have all the facts and every detail of this particular system under control.

I'm sorry you didn't learn anything that would enable you to win at baccarat while you were over at BTC. Please don't take it out on me just because I do win with it.

AD

[pitty1]

Thanks ADulay. i got my answer..it's not the MM that switch bet selections but the key is in frequency of occurrence.There is eerily similarities going on with SAP hybrid and the frequency of hand changes posted bt GTG here (and basic Zaun Xins tracking)..but most similar to GTG strategy which i have not put to rest yet..GTG bet selections with tracking..what he post about tracking patterns..Chop=3 changes in 5 hands..NEUTRAL=3 changes in 8 hands..Streak=2 changes or less in 5 hands and apply a bet selection grid per vs SAP hybrid... switch bets based on events. and apply tweeked bettings(hybrids).This author comes across to me.. the maverick is not a original system designed..at least not his first one.Maybe thats why elsie got so miffed that Mark come along and changed all his strategies around to make it more popular than the king himself..

[briang57]

As you've now alienated the only three people in this thread who actually play Maverick...
AD

I hope that's a promise. I'll take Mark's side of the story over one of Ellis's bitches any day.

[Bryan]

when he continued to advertise heavily in his CONTINUED POSTS but that has since been removed.
AD

It is quite easy to see why he ADVERTISE HEAVILY instead of playing in casino... Till now, there are still people willing to pay for garbage....

You really think someone who can win $50k a month will sit down with you to mentor you for that miserable $1K?

You really think someone who have a winning system will teach and play beside you and then split your profit for doing that?

You really think someone who have a winning system will need to come here to ask for investor/partner?

Ask yourself, will you do so?


That's explain why many people lost money through gambling... they simply cannot think and analyze logically. I better spend more time with my kids, their mind is simple and pure, they would tell me the perfect answer to those questions.


P/S: Is is coincident that there are more BS in this forum these days?

[thegeorgiahurricane]

Bryan,

There is an exceptional amount of BS these days. With the departure of John and the absence of Ellis there is little talk of game. You still provide interesting insight and MRPINK has been a informed addition. Someone needs to start an interesting discussion about game.

[pitty1]

Yep thats pretty much it...track ur frequency of occurrence ... favor one side u follow.. stop loss.. bet opposite..vise versa..Zuan,GTG,Mav and ol johnnie cash...all from the same blood line...And if elsi don't come back.. don't worry.. MRPINK will fill in just fine..He's right and everybody else is wrong..U wont miss elsi at all..

[Archer]

Yep thats pretty much it...track ur frequency of occurrence ... favor one side u follow.. stop loss.. bet opposite..vise versa..Zuan,GTG,Mav and ol johnnie cash...all from the same blood line...And if elsi don't come back.. don't worry.. MRPINK will fill in just fine..He's right and everybody else is wrong..U wont miss elsi at all..

LOL - Ellis will never leave this site. This is where he gets his income from. While his members do all the heavy lifting for him he can sit in front of his computer and sell, sell, sell!
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Your point about GTG was a good one. Kind of unique when comparing it with other run of the mill methods. Looking back at ocurrences and guessing that they will either continue or tend toward the "normal" average and then choosing a pre-determmined bet placement of x number of places to follow your guess but with a hedge to not follow the guess.

So lets say in a choppy shoe you want to guess it will start to streak within the next 4 or 5 hands. You might bet mostly follow but make one or two bets to chop just in case it doesn't.

Just a thought.

A

[Archer]

It is quite easy to see why he ADVERTISE HEAVILY instead of playing in casino... Till now, there are still people willing to pay for garbage....

You really think someone who can win $50k a month will sit down with you to mentor you for that miserable $1K?

You really think someone who have a winning system will teach and play beside you and then split your profit for doing that?

You really think someone who have a winning system will need to come here to ask for investor/partner?

Ask yourself, will you do so?


That's explain why many people lost money through gambling... they simply cannot think and analyze logically. I better spend more time with my kids, their mind is simple and pure, they would tell me the perfect answer to those questions.


P/S: Is is coincident that there are more BS in this forum these days?

Bryan, as usual, cuts to the chase with a reasoned remark.

A

[pitty1]

hi Archer,most likely be safe to go with a 50/50 bet selection..at least that was my impression on GTGs patterns..or push with a stop loss and start over.

[Archer]

hi Archer,most likely be safe to go with a 50/50 bet selection..at least that was my impression on GTGs patterns..or push with a stop loss and start over.

Yeah, that seems to make sense but one could also weight the pattern to the "perceived" bias. Indeed that bias could be viewed from a lot of different perspectives. Last few hands (8 hands as Mark suggests) or the length of the bias (meaning how many hands before a streak or chop bias lasts). You could also do this with TBL/OTBL or even specific run lengths. Lots of ways to slice and dice.

A

[pitty1]

Appears as long the running count per hands remain a steady positive...the OTB4L can pull it off...but the bet selection to follow bets on the 2's and switching over to the next 2's does not sound safe..i see 2's come out in quads quite regularly...could be a drain...

[btr7]

have a personal friend that has purchased maverick....maverick is like any other system....it wins and it loses...it is probably losing more than winning..because mark continues to tweak his method since august 2010....don't be misled by the winning shoes posted on the website....some of his member complaints is that he can find time to post positive things on his website, but not the time to spend helping members in need???

[ADulay]

have a personal friend that has purchased maverick........some of his member complaints is that he can find time to post positive things on his website, but not the time to spend helping members in need???

Oh well, here we go again.....

Is your friend having troubles with Mav? If so, is he in the almost nightly online tutoring sessions? Has he asked for help, assuming he's losing? Has he called Mark on his cell phone, which is also posted in his forum? He actually answers the phone!

If he's got a complaint, did he bring it up on Mark's forum or will he be able to solve his problems here?

I get asked to join in on the private Skype session every week. They play with real money! What a concept!

Here's hoping your friend can get the help he needs, assuming he's losing and would like to change that.

AD

[btr7]

don't tell me how helpful mark is....he didn't even complete the GOYA challenge...actually he quit after 4-5 sessions????...he won't answer e mails and won't call to include members in his sessions...excuse me, he does play with a select few...what happens to the ones who are struggling, while he and an unknown imaginary friend are off making 14K?

[ADulay]

Hey!

I'm not here to argue with you. Call him yourself or have "your friend" call him and work out a tutoring schedule. Several other people have and I'll assume "your friend" can pick up the phone too!

I can PM you his cell number if you would like it for "your friend".

If your friend has a user name I can see if he's been to any of the online sessions as Skype saves them for me for two months or so.

AD

[btr7]

i'm not here to argue either....out of 86 supposedly members...why are you the only one responding and taking up for mark....ask mark yourself...he will tell you he doesn't answer all e mails or return all phone calls...obviously he backed out of the GOYA challenge, didn't he?....please do not take up for someone who may not be what you think, you will damage your credibility!

[ADulay]

i'm not here to argue either....out of 86 supposedly members...why are you the only one responding and taking up for mark!

Probably because I'm the only one who still frequents this madhouse!

Seriously, I only jump in on the Maverick threads to try to get the details of the general complaints and attempt to answer a few questions.

I neither endorse nor condemn the Maverick system of play.

It is definitely not for everyone, that's for sure.

I am merely a competent practitioner of the play and will continue to use it until I see a trend of long term losing or something apparently better, for me, comes along.

AD

[Egalite]

i'm not here to argue either....out of 86 supposedly members...why are you the only one responding and taking up for mark....ask mark yourself...he will tell you he doesn't answer all e mails or return all phone calls...obviously he backed out of the GOYA challenge, didn't he?....please do not take up for someone who may not be what you think, you will damage your credibility!

What credibility, he is a Maverick shill and Admin or former admin of that site. He's been pumping Maverick for some time on this board, now the unhappy punters are beginning to come out of the woodwork, you're not the first to complain about Maverick and probably won't be the last.

[ADulay]

What credibility, he is a Maverick shill and Admin or former admin of that site.

I believe that should pretty much answer the original question of why nobody ever posts up here on Maverick.

Me? I kind of enjoy the continual bashing and never ending stream of experts who appear to know everything about everything except how to remove money from a casino.

Once again, I'll drop out of this Maverick thread and wait for the name calling to slowly wind down until the next person with a Maverick question or complaint stops by.

If it's not working for you, don't play it.

AD

[TSetAim]

And i thought the guy who posted up only his winning shoes in the "try this" thread quit because he ran out of those?

Ah yes, the man-child from Kitchener stops in with his usual bit of disinformation. It was only a matter of time I suppose.

If you would have actually read that thread "Try This" you would know that the adulay character asked the author about his name and it was explained to everyone, obviously except you, that he was NOT the Maverick from Mark's Maverick and that it had something to do with his son's nickname I believe.

As usual, you've come into another conversation unprepared and with incomplete facts.

You must be feeling lonely now that pretty much everyone just avoids your threads, even as off topic as they generally seem to be.

I've read a lot of your stuff. Pretty bland and mostly useless information. Keep trying. Somebody will read and reply on it sooner or later. Maybe fauzy could be your new best buddy.

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[Archer]

I believe that should pretty much answer the original question of why nobody ever posts up here on Maverick.

Me? I kind of enjoy the continual bashing and never ending stream of experts who appear to know everything about everything except how to remove money from a casino.

Once again, I'll drop out of this Maverick thread and wait for the name calling to slowly wind down until the next person with a Maverick question or complaint stops by.

If it's not working for you, don't play it.

AD

Here's a question for you then, Adulay. Are you or is anyone playing Maverick as it is written following all the rules or must one make adjustments from time to time based on individual shoe trends in order to win?


Archer