Thread: Maverick

seems to be the a good strategy. I have not known its method, but from the reviews around, it may be worth its while for anyone looking for a play to look into it. My 2cents.

I was a member of BTC and I read up on maverick. Its a discretionary system and 5 people looking at it can have 5 different ways to play it. Its not a mechanical system.

The founder of it did make a mechanical one and it didnt do so great.

Im not saying it doesnt work but its hard to grasp.

I have offered to fly people in, pay them, etc, etc and no takers so far....

Originally Posted by daytrader

I have offered to fly people in, pay them, etc, etc and no takers so far....

Daytrader,

There's really no reason to have to pay anyone to come into your area and teach you the Maverick system. All of the information is there in the 3 key threads on it. There are MULTIPLE examples, live shoes played out hand by hand with play by play descriptions. Just ask the questions in the forum! I did it when I was learning it. Why can't anybody else? I think every question has already been answered in the ongoing threads!

There are people answering every question on the system posted. There are immediate reviews of any problem shoes that are posted. Well, that would be if anyone other than myself and two others would ever post up a difficult shoe.

Save your money and just read the material. It's basically two systems with the option to exploit recurring events. Even the exploits aren't needed as it will run very well using only the two plays involved.

I recently ran 19 posted shoes that were posted from another member and even the strictly mechanical Maverick won 14 of the 19 shoes and showed a +81 profit. The "real" Maverick hit 18 of 19 at +180 something.

It's working quite well, at least for me and a few other diehards (g), but then I put a lot of time and effort into it. It obviously won't be learned in 2 days as evidenced by the amount of emails and PM's I answer every day about questions of how to play it!

Take your time on it. Read the material. Do some serious practice and when you have a problem, ask up on it!!

AD (taking my +10 a day, every play day)

Originally Posted by daytrader

I have offered to fly people in, pay them, etc, etc and no takers so far....

You could just read all of the pages and pages of advice on it. Probably a lot cheaper then flying people in.

It would be nice to hear from others who have tried the maverick.

AD, could you share with us what mm does it employ?

Originally Posted by joshky

It would be nice to hear from others who have tried the maverick.

AD, could you share with us what mm does it employ?

Several different people run several different MM techniques.

I'm of the camp that says Up 1 and Down 2. Others run 1,1,2.

Some run 1,2,3,4,5,1.

At least one guy runs a chaotic Fib on it!!! That one is beyond me for sure.

I would assume it's whatever you are comfortable with and whatever your bankroll can work with.

I personally changed my MM plan three times so far. Very conservative to start but have moved it up twice now as the bankroll grows.

Also, you may not hear much about Maverick on this board from the people who play it as most of those guys really have no need to even show up here. It would be pointless and a very unproductive use of valuable time. As you've seen in the past, any mention of winning from that site gets shouted down.

Lucky for me a have a lot of free time to kill.

AD

I think we all know by now that purely mechanical systems, like TB4L, while simple and convenient, cannot win long term because each such system only beats one shoe type. This is true regardless of what betting strategy you employ or how clever or aggressive or conservative it is.

I think we also know that, by definition, we can't beat random numbers. The only way to win consistently is to play to the bias of the shoe.

I think we also know that nearly all shoes have a bias. It is just a question of bias type and strength.

I don't think I need say any more about the purely random theorists. Why play a game you deem unbeatable???

We teach two completely different approaches at BTC:

1. Table selection systems

2. Follow the shoe systems

Table selection systems are designed to take advantage of shoe, table and casino biases. They require the knowledge of identifying biases and matching the right system to the right bias. This requires experience and practice. It also requires a table assessing search prior to play.

Not everyone wants to go through all that and even when you do, you can't always find a strong dependable bias esp. at night time. And what if you can only play at night? This is because the strongest biases are created by the morning card prep. This was recently demonstrated at BTC by posting 19 shoes all played at the same casino the same morning within 3 shoes of the morning card prep. All 19 shoes exhibited the exact same very strong bias. All 19 shoes were therefore easily beatable to the tune of +20 units a shoe W/O betting more than 5 or 6 units as your highest bet. But again this requires that you be in the right place at the right time with the right experience so its not for everyone.

Therefore we teach a second approach, Follow The Shoe systems. These systems automatically follow the shoe at hand and search out its bias often with the aid of an SAP count. Since these systems can be played anywhere at any time they are more popular. Essentially you are giving up units per shoe for convenience. They average less units per shoe but can still attain very high win rates.

Maverick is in this second category. It combines several basic systems that blend well together employing several trigger components. Yes, by nature they are a little more complex.

Maverick envelopes several levels of complexity. Yes, a novice can play it purely mechanical and win overall. But again, he's giving up units per shoe and shoe win rate for that simplicity. That is evidenced by the different performance numbers on the same shoes that AD posted.

As far as discretion is concerned, yes Daytrader is right. A BTC member can pick his own level of complexity as well as his own Betting strategy aggression level. Different players have different comfort zones both in complexity and in betting aggression. And member experience level ranges from days to decades. One thing that is always true at BTC is that the older members help the younger members.

Yes, BTC is hard work as some see it. But the alternative is to join the masses still searching for the holy grail - a simple purely mechanical way to win. That simply does not exist no matter how much money you throw at it. BTC is not for everyone. It takes dedication, study, practice and to some, hard work. But I don't see any consistent winners anywhere else.

Sure, it would be nice if more BTC guys came to BF and posted shoes and performance numbers and such. A few tried that but did not receive a warm welcome. Most gave up after getting their fingers burned. They are in it for each other, not for the rest of the world. After all, the rest of the world is still looking for the holy grail. Good luck with that!

Oh, and Joshky, as far as MM goes, I recommend U1D2 M2 is as aggressive as you need ever go. My point is this: if you are playing a system that gives you more winning hands than losing hands why get aggressive? You would be better off to increase your unit and flat bet. But if you get TOO aggressive you can win most of the hands and still lose spectacularly.

To me, betting aggression should be based on how well you are doing at a given table. The better the table is treating you the more aggressive you can be - up to a point.

Unfortunately most players do this backwards. The worse they are doing the more aggressive they get. This can only lead to disaster eventually.

Personally, I NEVER get more aggressive than U1D1 M3 B2. But I reserve that for only the 1 out of 100 very best tables.

That is up 1 when you lose, down 1 when you win, base at 2 and always bet 3 after 2 win or lose. I usually use a stop win of 30 playing this way unless I hit 30 very early in the shoe.

But remember - this is only when you find yourself in one of those truly great situations. Also, if you hit a 6 or more you are better off to go down 2 at 6 or more.

Is there a manual for the Maverick system or threads only?

Originally Posted by briang57

Is there a manual for the Maverick system or threads only?

How big of a manual would you like? How much ink in your printer?

The initial Maverick System play thread is a mere 8 messages. Of course 4 of them hold play sheets with line by line explanations.

If you would like a manual of 100 pages or more, you could look at the thread titled "Shoes running Maverick".

How about an 800 page manual of general discussion on Maverick play?

Me? I went with the 8 page "manual" and still have message #1 printed and taped to the wall right in front of me where I can read it every day.

Your mileage may vary.

I think I will bow out of this thread now as even I'm starting to think I'm sounding like some kind of salesman!

AD

Originally Posted by ADulay

Me? I went with the 8 page "manual" and still have message #1 printed and taped to the wall right in front of me where I can read it every day.

Thanks A.D. but I can't seem to find it here. Is this where the threads are? I think the 8-page manual is what I am looking for.

Brian

ADulay is referring to the maverick threads in beatthecasino.com web site.

thanks A.D and Krapper007

John, as he posted, he would have done fine had he simply stuck to his own Maverick rules. He lost because he lost his head at the table and did NOT stick to the rules. As I've said a zillion times: Never Play Mad! You failed to mention the hundreds of shoes he won before that day. But then that would spoil your fun wouldn't it.

ellis who posted that they lost playing maverick

How about someone posting the Maverick System....then we can all decide if it is worthwhile or not.

Originally Posted by ADulay

AD (taking my +10 a day, every play day)

Hey there Andy, allowing for expenses and some time off... at 10 $10-units a day, it will take you (and the other "world class players at Beaten by the Clowns) about 100 years to make your first million. And, if you live to play that long, that will have 1/10 th the buying-power presented dated.

$1000 a year (present dated from 100 years from now)... and you claim to make 5X what i make? I assure you, i make more than $200 a year, and with some time left in life to properly enjoy it.

Lol, how the poor stay poor at "Beaten again by The Clowns", dreaming about such nonsense.




P.S. At least you gave up on the "winning every 19 shoes/games of twenty". We made a bit of "headway" with that nonsense... didn't we?

Originally Posted by Bud

How about someone posting the Maverick System....then we can all decide if it is worthwhile or not.

We're all still waiting for any answers to any of our questions about the BTC-scams.

Well, not really. (Everything anyone needs/wants to know about old sillE and the clowns-in-training may be found in great detail on this very site.)

Like the sign said, "READ!"

Originally Posted by garnabby

Hey there Andy, allowing for expenses and some time off... at 10 $10-units a day, it will take you (and the other "world class players at Beaten by the Clowns) about 100 years to make your first million. And, if you live to play that long, that will have 1/10 th the buying-power presented dated.

$1000 a year (present dated from 100 years from now)... and you claim to make 5X what i make? I assure you, i make more than $200 a year, and with some time left in life to properly enjoy it.

Lol, how the poor stay poor at "Beaten again by The Clowns", dreaming about such nonsense.

P.S. At least you gave up on the "winning every 19 shoes/games of twenty". We made a bit of "headway" with that nonsense... didn't we?

Nobody stays at dimes once they are winning. Why would they? And they make far more than you.

Geez first you admit you know nothing about our forum, then you call us all scammers. An admitted liar. Crawl back in your hole. Sure, right, everybody at BTC is lieing. Eat you heart out.

Originally Posted by garnabby

$1000 a year (present dated from 100 years from now)... and you claim to make 5X what i make? I assure you, i make more than $200 a year, and with some time left in life to properly enjoy it.

Lol, how the poor stay poor at "Beaten again by The Clowns", dreaming about such nonsense.

P.S. At least you gave up on the "winning every 19 shoes/games of twenty". We made a bit of "headway" with that nonsense... didn't we?

GBaby,

I claim nothing. I only state that I take +10 a day, every day, from the casino. You make up the numbers.

Yes, I'm still trying to hit that elusive 20 out of 20. I've hit the 19 out of 20 a few times now.

So, I've been reading your junk for a year now. When do we see your first winning shoe posted?

AD (oh yeah, you have to actually play to win, sorry for asking)

ad when you lose how many units do you lose

Originally Posted by ADulay

I claim nothing.

Do you deny having posted, a few months ago on this site, that you play $10-units?

Oh, here's one post of yours, at http://baccaratforums.com/newreply.p...wreply&p=18511 , alluding to a "good profit" from the $10-units.

But i really recall another, in which i asked why anyone would "net bet" $10, or any other amount, if he/she could win at such an "alarming" rate... you'll have to search for it yourself, i don't get paid ("peanuts") for scamming the gullible and poor. You replied something about being comfortable at that betting-level... to which i responded, maybe that's because you know those methods are scams.

Originally Posted by ADulay

Garn,

Sorry, I don't play blackjack.

Try again.

Oh yeah, don't knock the $10 tables. I made a good profit off of them all the while confirming that somebody else's ideas MIGHT be better than my own.

Anyway, no blackjack for me.

AD

Originally Posted by garnabby

Do you deny having posted, a few months ago on this site, that you play $10-units?

Garn,

You're such a jerk, really. Yes I play for $10. And $25. And have played the $50 tables. It all depends on what's available at the time. So what is the point of your question or accusation, as the case may be?

What tables do you play on?

Oh yeah, you don't play, you just act like a big guy on public forums and are just wishing you could play.

Wow. I'm impressed.

So, how's your baccarat going this year? You still haven't answered that question yet and we've all been asking you that for a year now!

I thought this was a Maverick thread, not a "Garnabby acts like a clown" thread.

AD

Originally Posted by steve6969

ad when you lose how many units do you lose

That's like asking a drug-dealer, "Do you use your own product?"

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ADulang Dulang goes on and on making up all sorts of assumptions about myself, one of the few here who really hasn't made up any and all of the BTC-sort of "magical" claims, and then denials of the facts "off the page".

Nowhere have i wrote that i don't play baccarat; to the contrary, anyone who reads my posts from the beginning, here and there, will readily realize i have more playing experience than the bunch at BTC put together... from actual professional bj-play, and recreational baccarat-play, to the legalities of gaming rules and regulations, and everything in between. The thing i don't do is harp and dwell on any of it. What's the point of that for any of us, me included... who aren't hurriedly trying to impress anyone with scams and altered egos?

Like i already wrote, if ADulay plays anything at all, it's $10. And NO ONE wins every time, or is even trying to. Much less the scammers, trolls, "nuts", and the mentally-ill (like johno).

In his embarrassment, at least AD figured out which thread it is, lol, got that right! So you save your tales of winning every day, over in Beaten by The Clowns of fantasy, for the quack-meter thread... and i'll be sure to keep my mouth shut. Deal?

As this thread is now out of control, I'll stop here with this simple post, one more time.

How is your baccarat play this year?

Can you ever answer this simple question without all kinds of subterfuge?

AD

How about it....anybody going to post the Maverick System?????

Originally Posted by ADulay

Garn,

You're such a jerk, really. Yes I play for $10. And $25. And have played the $50 tables. It all depends on what's available at the time. So what is the point of your question or accusation, as the case may be?

What tables do you play on?

Oh yeah, you don't play, you just act like a big guy on public forums and are just wishing you could play.

Wow. I'm impressed.

So, how's your baccarat going this year? You still haven't answered that question yet and we've all been asking you that for a year now!

I thought this was a Maverick thread, not a "Garnabby acts like a clown" thread.

AD

I can answer for him a little. Last summer he told me that a long time ago and played a little and over a long period of time he made a small profit ( couple thousand I believe). Now here is the important part: He told me that he gave it all back very fast ( I think he stated in only a few bets). He shrugged it off like it wasn't a big deal..i believe he said something about not caring that he gave that money back to the casino.

So he did play, and he lost. Maybe that is why he doesn't see to play anymore. He is probably one of those people who just can't handle gambling. Maybe that is why he seems to think it is impossible to win 20 shoes in a row. That right there tells me that he hasn't been to the casinos enough. You hang around the bac tables and you see all sorts of things. People win well over 20 shoes in a row and people lose well over 20 shoes in a row.

Bud,

I tried to post it but the PDF file (1.03 MB) I have is too big to upload here. It says the file has to be less that 97 kb. If any Techies can let me know how to download it I'll be glad to do it.

Brian