Thread: Angel Eye: Electronic Baccarat Shoe

Hi All

I'm new to the forum but have been playing the game semi professionally worldwide for about 20 years and has always been successful.

Over the last 12 months the casinos in Australia have introduced the Angel Eye card dispensing shoe at all casinos.

I would like to hear your take on this as I have, after doing much actual table research, came to the conclusion and this may sound extreme, that the results are not random anymore.

I will be happy to publish my research findings on this site after I have received your feedback as I don't want to distort anyone's view.

Please share your experience.

Regards

here is what an Angel eye shoe is

How Las Vegas Anti-Cheating Security Tech Works - Popular Mechanics

Thanks for the link. Very interesting.

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Yeah thanks for posting gerard.I dread the day when embedded chips go global.No more need of player cards..Make a player much easier target for tax collectors..the best way to enforce 1090 forms upon payouts for big winners.

more interesting stuff

6 Ways Las Vegas Anti-Cheating Tech Has Entered Daily Life - Popular Mechanics

Hey Max,
I just have a question for you as you may have more experienced to us.
I've playing bacarrat for quiet sometime now, about 5 years and i'm 35 yrs old

It was an On/Off relationship to my favorite Sports but i kept trying to beat it and mastered myself then, now i am able to really mastered myself how to win the game. My Question is, if you won every time you play, can the casino forbid you or banned you for playing to their casino?

I've asked this because i'm really planning for early retirement and stick to playing bacarrat.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by maxprofit

Hi All

I'm new to the forum but have been playing the game semi professionally worldwide for about 20 years and has always been successful.

Over the last 12 months the casinos in Australia have introduced the Angel Eye card dispensing shoe at all casinos.

I would like to hear your take on this as I have, after doing much actual table research, came to the conclusion and this may sound extreme, that the results are not random anymore.

I will be happy to publish my research findings on this site after I have received your feedback as I don't want to distort anyone's view.

Please share your experience.

Regards

how about the casino in NZ ? they also have Angel Eye ?

Originally Posted by luckynine

Hey Max,
I just have a question for you as you may have more experienced to us.
I've playing bacarrat for quiet sometime now, about 5 years and i'm 35 yrs old

It was an On/Off relationship to my favorite Sports but i kept trying to beat it and mastered myself then, now i am able to really mastered myself how to win the game. My Question is, if you won every time you play, can the casino forbid you or banned you for playing to their casino?

I've asked this because i'm really planning for early retirement and stick to playing bacarrat.

Thanks!

We cannot wins all the time(every shoe) but could win all the sessions of play but sessions win will expose you too. The only ways is to “skip” casinos occasionally.

Once at the cashier cage, the manager “barking” at me for my Social Security number for IRS purposes and I yelled back that this transaction is under 10K. And probably I have a record for 100% wins for that year.

There are many ways the casinos can get at you if you win consistently and that’s without cheating.

Angel eye or devil’s eye doesn’t matter when you played clean but there are ways they can disrupt your plays at the table and that I can handle.

Lately, past month I have 100% wins from about 3 session(per trip of 3D/2N) of play with less than 3 hours actual live play at the table.

My required capital is 150 units for each shoe and from these three session I have won approximately 3500 units.

After my last win, they tried to disrupt my play with the following incident and fully lodged my complaints to the Pit Boss and Shift Manager.

These “experienced dealers” with years at the baccarat table are making simple mistakes that can changes the flows of the shoes or agitate players for no reasons.

1) Draws cards when they are not supposed then consults the supervisor what to do and the worst part is that they have different set of rules from different supervisor. They can do what they want, burn 10 cards from the shoe, burn the number of the cards drawn or make it a free hand with what is drawn.

And they can do what they want because it’s not a set rules that is written for all to follows. What they say we as a players just have to put up or shut up.

It happened when I bet on Banker, banker has 2 cards total 5 and player 2 cards total 1. Player draws 3 total 4, instantly I said “stop” don’t draw when I noticed his hand moving towards the shoe but he draw and exposed the cards.

At that moment, we are all on the streak of 5 banker’s hand, my bet was 5K with positive progression for next bet to be 10K and I grimaces when the next free hand being dealt as it’s a banker’s hand. And unfortunately, I place the same bet of 10K the following hand and player hand was dealt.

If you watched his action at that moment he draws, you knew that he did it purposely because instantly within seconds he turn around and consulted the supervisor.

I raised my voice to the supervisor that I want to see the shift manager, she calls him down and I complaint that with 10’s thousand on that hand how can you have an “amateur” dealer at the table.

My main complaint is that what if we did not noticed it and the card drawn for the banker reduced to 3 then all the player monies will be gone and does that constitute cheating by casino.

His answer is simply human error, MF.

Since I stopped play went to the restroom, while I was walking back towards the baccarat table and guess what I noticed.

All three, the dealer, floor person and the Pit boss are all talking and giggling about the incident.

2) Dealers are always on the lookout for consistent winners and probably they are trained to do that for reports or they are just jealous of winners.
Noticed that they will do all possible and not breaking the law to disrupt players “hot streak”.

It’s very clear that when you lose, they will try to console you with sweet words and please take a closer look with the same dealer when you win big. You will noticed the two side of these dealers.

Last week while I was winning, trying to place my second(positive progression) of 6.5K, contemplating within second to do it or not and just before the dealer draws the card, I said stop but he dealt leaving me out.
And the hand is in my favor, winless 6.5K and I yelled at him why you dealt when I said stop with my hand raised. His answer is that he already dealt before I said stop. Again, making a pompom by asking for Pit Boss.

Pit boss came and I said why he lied. Questioned whether the dealer know the outcome of the hand and refused my winning bet. PBoss said that no one know the outcome of the hand and I ask him why he refuses my bet when the cards are not dealt? Told him that I might bring this matter to gaming board and advices him to watch the video to see my raised hand to stop the dealer or the dealer dealt is ahead of my raised hands.

As professionals there are set back and winning session but overall we are winners.

While having general conversation with one of the host at the Host office in the early morning hours, checked with him my last 5 years net wins/losses and its soothing to ear hear that from 2005 to August 2010, I have won all the year and the host told me he was shocked as he never looked back at all.

With all the free air/room/food for five years it’s definitely a true winners though the yearly results are as follows:

2005 + 15K(there are +/- sessions)
2006 + 9k
2007 + 17
2008 + 25K(100% win for this year)
2009 + 5K (there are +/- session)
2010 August 14th + 1.9K

Luckynine, you might find the figure is too low for you but there are many casinos that I played are unaccounted for. To play professionally, we need many casinos to accommodate our “appetites” otherwise we will be “targeted” with all sorts of nonsense they can dish out to us.

Stop playing at that casinos when you sensed that you are targeted.

One casino targeted me and stop playing there for near to 10 years.

Good luck and win cautiously.

Originally Posted by senlung

Lately, past month I have 100% wins from about 3 session(per trip of 3D/2N) of play with less than 3 hours actual live play at the table.

My required capital is 150 units for each shoe and from these three session I have won approximately 3500 units.

Originally Posted by senlung

At that moment, we are all on the streak of 5 banker’s hand, my bet was 5K with positive progression for next bet to be 10K and I grimaces when the next free hand being dealt as it’s a banker’s hand. And unfortunately, I place the same bet of 10K the following hand and player hand was dealt.

I raised my voice to the supervisor that I want to see the shift manager, she calls him down and I complaint that with 10’s thousand on that hand how can you have an “amateur” dealer at the table.

Originally Posted by senlung

Last week while I was winning, trying to place my second(positive progression) of 6.5K, contemplating within second to do it or not and just before the dealer draws the card, I said stop but he dealt leaving me out.
And the hand is in my favor, winless 6.5K and I yelled at him why you dealt when I said stop with my hand raised. His answer is that he already dealt before I said stop. Again, making a pompom by asking for Pit Boss.

Originally Posted by senlung

As professionals there are set back and winning session but overall we are winners.

While having general conversation with one of the host at the Host office in the early morning hours, checked with him my last 5 years net wins/losses and its soothing to ear hear that from 2005 to August 2010, I have won all the year and the host told me he was shocked as he never looked back at all.

With all the free air/room/food for five years it’s definitely a true winners though the yearly results are as follows:

2005 + 15K(there are +/- sessions)
2006 + 9k
2007 + 17
2008 + 25K(100% win for this year)
2009 + 5K (there are +/- session)
2010 August 14th + 1.9K

Ok, your numbers seem to be off here friend.

Um.... Three sessions, 3500 units!!!

A Positive prog from 5K with 10k waiting in the wing!

A second positive prog bet of 6.5k losing out!

And after all that drama your take for 2010 is 1.9K and YOU are happy? Either your play is dangerously precarious, or the Casinos really do want to screw with you.

The way you bet at least from this post with wagers up to 10k and the highest year you had was just being up 25K. You are living dangerously my friend.

Is it worth all the sweat and nerves routinely making prog bets, albeit positive prog, of up to 10k just to make 25k to as low as 5k.....In a Year?!!

A normal job might be less stressful. Maybe you mean to add one zero each year right before the k. Tell me I'm wrong.

3500 units won for three sessions and you are only up 1.9k for the year! Are you wagering nickels (as in .05 cents) for those particular session?

Scot,

Let me tell you why I can make that much within 3 hours of play, it’s known that I am practicing Dragon’s methods with flat, negative and positive progression and it’s no surprise for this high winning session. Do you know how many hands I played within the three hours????? Do you know some shoe we played for 20 hands or less could be “flawlessly good” that could command very high winnings? Do you know that with the “flawed shoe” I could lose my entire 150 units with 7 to 10 hands? That’s the speed of his systems.

We cannot go “fishing” in casinos and matter of fact they are fishing us. Go there with $10 or $1M, they will eventually gets you. That’s why my yearly income are minimal and in fact it’s a consolation to learned that I am in the blue but on their data my numbers and name is in red because it’s negative to their system because I won.

Does it ever occurred to you what are my bets before arriving at 6.5K? And do not forget that the “negative progression” I am practicing. Do your math!!!

These 6.5 n 5K are just a plain incidences and does not reflects the minimum I am playing.

Let says 3500 units multiply by $10 and it’s 35K or less with $5. Let’s divide it by 3 full shoes = 1166 units per shoe and that’s not difficult with flat, negative n positive progression if you have the system from Dragon.

And for the yearly +/-, indeed very happy if the results is even and do not forget it’s up/down or winnings/losses for all the session played within a year.

With your responses, you don’t even get near to even and probably you loss your ass at the table within 3 months.

I have played in many casinos on long term basis, observed that the rich can only last about six months of continuous play and God bless them after that. They are strip off their credit, you can see all their jewelry gone and their facial like leatherette with new wrinkles added every day, in other word it’s like “seasoned” leather jacket.

Life in casino is not a bed of roses but their torn that could eventually triggers your emotion, greed and lastly Dragon’s famous phrase “brain fucking brain”.

Scott, try your best to learn and not picked on other post without properly “digesting” it.

And one last thing I missed to post is that during my last trip, I have a continuous losses of 6 flawed shoes of 150 units(900 units) straight before recovering 500 units from another casino next door. Call it a day with net losses of 400 units as it’s not my day at all because all the flawed shoes started from the first hand to max 11 hands.

Let me show you between the 2 session before you starts to “barking” like a mad dog again, 3500 – 400 = 3100 units and probably you understand this simple “aromatic”

Loves Dragon system as he explain to me that he combined alzebra, geometry, angular momentum and finally holizontal varlocity. I do not understand but who cares as long as his systems win. Hate to admit that I was out of school during my 5th grade.

Barking dogs seldom bite. Good bye, “Scot”tish terrier.

Hi sealung,If the dragonmister scams with math then test him with math...since u claim a lack of.. try this trick..Get 2 three dial combination locks..set the combination of the two locks..close ur eyes and shuffle them around..then ask the masterdragon with his math what the outcome of the two combination locks will be..Then do it over and over again like hands in a shoe..The dragon will need more than azzalbra,geeometary and monolithic velocity to guess that..and i mean guess.

Originally Posted by pitty1

Hi sealung,If the dragonmister scams with math then test him with math...since u claim a lack of.. try this trick..Get 2 three dial combination locks..set the combination of the two locks..close ur eyes and shuffle them around..then ask the masterdragon with his math what the outcome of the two combination locks will be..Then do it over and over again like hands in a shoe..The dragon will need more than azzalbra,geeometary and monolithic velocity to guess that..and i mean guess.

The last part was a joke from him to me and then you.

Anyway, who care what the hell he does as long as I am winning with his system and anyway I do not understand what are you saying. Sorry my mind is a little bit slow. Can't even remember I have "pooped" or not in the morning.

All I know is bet accordingly to his instructions and at times placed the wrong side or miscalculated the bets. Too bad but I recovered in time to win.