Thread: 2 naturals in a row: Go the other way until you win

When you see 2 naturals in a row, either an 8 or 9 on player or banker 2 times, go the other way until you win...

I have had decent success keeping track of this and making a few units per shoe....Not sure if anyone else does this...

you mean if its BB natural 8 or 9 in a row, then bet Player until win? I just saw 8 Banker all natural in a row.

Originally Posted by skylynesr

you mean if its BB natural 8 or 9 in a row, then bet Player until win? I just saw 8 Banker all natural in a row.

Thats insane..your saying you seen a natural 8 or 9 on banker 8 in a row? I find that hard to believe, the odds would be astronomical...Not saying I dont believe you but I think you could hit the lottery a few times before that happens....

Im sorry I take it back. I'm sure it was at least 6 natural in a row, total was 12 banker including 1 tie. This is only my 2nd time seen 12 bankers in a row in 3 months.

No offense, but playing against the streak isn't it very deadly? One guy I was playing with, he was doing fine winning a lot. All of sudden, 6
players streak happen, he went against it, end up losing $30,000 in 10 players run. He started betting only $200 a hand.

TJ

Originally Posted by daytrader

When you see 2 naturals in a row, either an 8 or 9 on player or banker 2 times, go the other way until you win...

I have had decent success keeping track of this and making a few units per shoe....Not sure if anyone else does this...

for me (considered newbie since only been playin 2 mths back), realised that natural 9s for either P or B are usually followed by its same kind, ie. FLD. Eg. P9 - PLAYER or B9 - BANKER

but if it doesn't, the next following right aft the OLD would!... & on a very high percentage, provided this OLD is Not a Natural 9:

Eg. P9 - B6 (this OLD cannot be 9s) - PLAYER!


& vice versa for BANKER

What exactly do you mean by natural 8 and 9?

Originally Posted by joshky

What exactly do you mean by natural 8 and 9?

I mean a natural...You know what a natural is, no draw...

Originally Posted by joshky

What exactly do you mean by natural 8 and 9?

the total of first 2 cards dealt (to either P or B or both) which equals to 8 or 9...we call such card 'Natural'. Natural card means high card & no 3rd card is needed.

thank you first. is there any logical explanation for this strategy?

Originally Posted by TZX6868

thank you first. is there any logical explanation for this strategy?

Great question! Is there? Or are you playing superstition?

Wow Ellis,

You havent said much lately. Somebody needs to set these guys straight.

Originally Posted by thegeorgiahurricane

Wow Ellis,

You havent said much lately. Somebody needs to set these guys straight.

Well, I know the Asians are big on keeping track of hand values and trying to apply reason to them but they also think the number of spots on a card means something and that your chair number is meaningful. To me, that's all superstition. It's a damn deck of cards for crying out loud. Maybe we should put our hats on backwards too.

Elvis is dead and there are no leprechauns!

its not superstition. Its something I have been tracking. Nothing more. It seems whenever there are two naturals in a row on either player or banker, it tends to revert back to the other side. It may take 1-3 hands, but from what I have been seeing, it does.

Give it a try and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Elvis is dead and there are no leprechauns!

Without getting into specifics, i'm sure that some of the greatest discoveries arose out of one superstition or other. In fact, superstition is the first step to any higher evolution. (Have to start somewhere, and there are worse places than the imagination.)

Eg, the emergence of the branch of math now known as Game Theory, in the late 40's(?), gave re-newed credibility to many of the older strategies... abandoned for the nay-sayers' majority by the then "common sense", but no longer viewed as only "foolish".

At least daytrader's ideas are a refreshing change from "net betting"; "casino orchestration", whatever that is; and free-stuff strategies which "aren't as good as the paid-for stuff, but still work"... even though no one has ever used any of those to make a quick $30,000 at $30,000 Betting System Challenge , lol.

Maybe, he is getting too old.

Good job Daytrader..Theres nothing wrong with developing a strategy based on naturals..On avg... u'll see naturals account to nearly half of a shoe.Baccas blacjacks man..Go figure.. theres got to be a purpose use them for something cause they get a special box on the toteboard when they come up. If i played ur way tnite i would have won at least once per shoe on the very next bet after 2 naturals in a row..I did see 3 in a row come up too..ELVIS IS DEAD???? Damn u to hellis ellis..The king still lives thru his music and even to this day his music rakes in more money than ur systems could generate in a hundred lifetimes...My dream shoes come thru for me tnite.
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the second shoe for Andy fans
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Geez, one guy says it reverts to the same side. The other guy says it reverts to the opposite side. Joshky thinks it has something to do with age.

I say give it enough plays and it reverts to any side you want. You guys are getting totally desperate.

Garnabby, NOTHING ever came out of superstition. Intelligence emerges by separating fact from fiction. And you are supposed to be degreed?

Join the Flat Earth Society. You'll feel right at home. Good Grief! I can't believe you guys are arguing with me on this.

Joshky, one day you'll wake up and you'll be 80. When you mock age you are mocking your future self.

Geez, 20 in a rows usually contain several naturals, often 2 in a row. Bet against THAT and see how you do. What the hell are you guys thinking of? Two naturals in a row doesn't mean ANYTHING! You are betting hard earned money on total bullshit!

Worse you are telling others to be as stupid as YOU are!

It ll eventually work itself back to 50/50. Maybe if you throw in something like a count on streak versus chop it will produce better overall results. For, example, if the shoe is streaky bet double naturals to stick. If choppy shoe then bet to jump.

Thank Goodness! Sanity returns! Now I can take another vacation.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Garnabby, NOTHING ever came out of superstition. Intelligence emerges by separating fact from fiction. And you are supposed to be degreed?

Never had chicken-noodle soup for a cold or flu? Only recently has science verified its many benefits. ( Feel-Good Foods: 10 Cold & Flu Fighters: Chicken Soup )

But isn't "fiction" another word, in a way, for superstition? In contrast, how dull the desperate lies, etc, from BTC... and the seemingly endless attempts at wit by sillE, now over 840 bits here. (The only site which still, for obvious reasons, allows him to continue on interrupting?)

Second, i AM degreed, etc... don't have to lie about it, or avoid it like the scammers from BTC without a single degreed member. ( 07-12-200920106PM2.jpg picture by garnabby - Photobucket )

Third, i wrote "refreshing"; not verified as a consistently or other sort of winning strategy.

And sillE was further confused, if he thought Hurricane wasn't being facecious earlier in this thread, and that he was later somehow the voice of sanity. (The guy publicly admitted to peeing in a bottle to keep warm in the trunk of his car, outside some casino after losing what amounted to only "rent money" using methods like sillE's.)

Take a real vacation, Ellis. Try to see how we're all trying to help you here, no one is really mocking age or anything else. (I haven't posted here for weeks, and enjoyed also that time off... a time to focus on more-important things.)

[QUOTE=Ellis;21984]Geez, one guy says it reverts to the same side. The other guy says it reverts to the opposite side. Joshky thinks...


not quite right Sir...

daytrader:
P8/P9 - P8/P9 - bet BANKER, vice versa

mine's:
P9 - bet PLAYER or
P9 - B1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 - bet PLAYER again, vice versa

as mentioned, jus my 2mths' novice discovery that it surfaced on a high %...& for me only - 2 cents sharing

Well, I've seen FAR too many long straight runs that were full of Naturals to ever bet AGAINST them. In fact, I'll never be found betting against a long run period. No good system would ever make you do that. It's suicidal. Go with the flow. All good systems jump on a run at some point naturals or no, if in fact you weren't on the run in the first place. Betting on a run you can only lose once. Betting against a run is the easiest way to get wiped out. No good system does that. If daytrader wants to bet against a run just because it had two naturals he'll be the only player doing so and he'll need to bring a LOT of money to the casino. I think he's just looking at a short term aberration.

Originally Posted by garnabby

Never had chicken-noodle soup for a cold or flu? Only recently has science verified its many benefits.

But isn't "fiction" another word, in a way, for superstition?

No, superstition means supernatural influence. It has nothing to do with chicken soup which has been an accepted remedy for at least a century. Science is merely just getting around to verifying something most already knew, including many Doctors.

There is a huge difference between superstition and unproven but accepted beliefs.

Perhaps with your Math degree you can explain how two naturals in a row influences the next decision(s)??? But I doubt it.

Stick with the name calling. That's more your speed. Did the school teach you that? Or is it your own affliction?

Originally Posted by garnabby

don't have to lie about it, or avoid it like the scammers from BTC without a single degreed member.

Wrecking another thread are we??

Here we go again. Making up facts for no apparent reason. We've already gone over this or did you forget it once again? You do have a short attention span, that's for sure.

There are several of us "degreed" members at BTC. What that has to do with baccarat play is beyond the scope of this message. Fortunately we have sufficient self confidence in our lives that we don't have to post pictures of the diploma paperwork on a public web site.

I thought you were "on the verge" of a miraculous breakthough in baccarat playing strategy, unseen since the start of the game! It was "just around the corner". Were you perhaps fibbing a bit and attempting to make yourself seem to be someone you were not? Maybe trying to convince people you actually PLAY baccarat somewhere?

You do play the game, don't you?

What a dumb question to ask as you've never answered it in the last 11 months and I don't expect you to do so now.

Never mind.

Try to add some useful content to your next message please or at least get your facts straight.

AD

Originally Posted by ADulay

I thought you were "on the verge" of a miraculous breakthough in baccarat playing strategy, unseen since the start of the game! It was "just around the corner". Were you perhaps fibbing a bit and attempting to make yourself seem to be someone you were not? Maybe trying to convince people you actually PLAY baccarat somewhere?

Hold on there AD, one "nut" at a time...

Originally Posted by Ellis

No, superstition means supernatural influence. It has nothing to do with chicken soup which has been an accepted remedy for at least a century. Science is merely just getting around to verifying something most already knew, including many Doctors.

There is a huge difference between superstition and unproven but accepted beliefs.

Superstition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

superstition - definition of superstition by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

In the first two sources i checked, above, the "supernatural" twist is a secondary definition (of superstition). Anyway, aside from any sort of superstition found to be factually-true, even the untrue ones can be motivating or comforting psychologically... a mental "crutch", in times of hardship. Or as a warning "red flag" against taking some course of action. And certainly the subconsious has been shown to exert itself, and in positive ways... if the conscious mind leaves it with something constructive to work on in "batch time". Furthermore, it isn't very-smart to walk under stuff like ladders with painters above; or to break mirrors by accident, or for the "fun of it".

Perhaps that's why "old sillE" never provides any substantiating links? And why Mike likes to keep him around for another laugh... he has ZERO education, in any sense of the word, has wasted his life on that cult-scam nonsense over there at BTC. (It's a rather-clean nickname, from me to you, Ellis... nothing like the hateful scorn you're known spewing, lol. BESIDES, ARE THERE ANY UGLY ADJECTIVES, EXPLETIVES, SLURS, ETC, REMAINING IN THE ENGLISH VOCABULARY WHICH AREN'T MORE-THAN-APPROPRIATE for old sillE?)

Originally Posted by Ellis

Perhaps with your Math degree you can explain how two naturals in a row influences the next decision(s)??? But I doubt it.

Stick with the name calling. That's more your speed. Did the school teach you that? Or is it your own affliction?

As for proving something more, one thing at a time... please allow daytrader and everyone else a chance for once instead of constantly interrupting to disagree, and then out-of-nowhere starting to push the sillE stuff from BTC. Why not contribute something real instead of criticizing with nonsensical "come-backs"? Nobody is stopping you from (trying to) prove the first thing about your own work, or yourself; or from actually disproving anything about the others. (How many more times can broken-record ADulang Dulang believably write about winning almost every "hand" after having extensively tested all possible baccarat-systems from all possible live/random shoes... without getting into specifics?)

Originally Posted by ADulay

There are several of us "degreed" members at BTC. What that has to do with baccarat play is beyond the scope of this message. Fortunately we have sufficient self confidence in our lives that we don't have to post pictures of the diploma paperwork on a public web site.

Like long-standing member bacdoctor (, some guy just "claiming" to be a doctor of something), lol, who confided in a few of us on this site a while back that the BTC-stuff doesn't pan out? Looks like he gave up on the game altogether? Need i post what he wrote to natural9? (Actually couldn't be bothered... like keeping up to date on anything else BTC isn't worth your members' or my time.)

Glad to hear all youze are so "secure in yourselves"... so why not show us some more pictures of your car(s)/scooter; and regale us with some more of those statistically-impossible group-wins; or tell us of another casino which no longer carries baccarat because of your site? Lol.

Originally Posted by ADulay

I thought you were "on the verge" of a miraculous breakthough in baccarat playing strategy, unseen since the start of the game! It was "just around the corner". Were you perhaps fibbing a bit and attempting to make yourself seem to be someone you were not? Maybe trying to convince people you actually PLAY baccarat somewhere?

You thought right, for once. In the fall, sometime around September when my DSL-contract comes up for renewal, i plan to have that screen-sharing system i first wrote of a few months ago up and running... for all the big winners like yourselves to show everyone here how easy it is. (Additional speed will be required on my end.) Don't know if anyone except myself will try it out; do know a few of the "big shots" of baccarat have already bowed out. Lol.

Originally Posted by garnabby

You thought right, for once. In the fall, sometime around September when my DSL-contract comes up for renewal, i plan to have that screen-sharing system i first wrote of a few months ago up and running... for all the big winners like yourselves to show everyone here how easy it is. (Additional speed will be required on my end.) Don't know if anyone except myself will try it out; do know a few of the "big shots" of baccarat have already bowed out. Lol.

Why would anyone want to come to "your" site and show you anything. You don't even play! The only people who need to see me win already know it as they've seen me live, online and with instant screen shots in real time. Too bad you can't say the same, but then you'd actually have to PLAY THE GAME in order to be able to do that.

Once again, you've come into what was a perfectly running, normal thread on baccarat and ruined it with your stupid claims and insecurity in public.

Please start your own web site that we can all ignore. Oooops, you've already done that.

Please start your own thread that we can all ignore.

Oh yeah, when you get a chance, please tell all the uninformed here just where it is you play.

AD (I am done with this one, it's all yours again)

Originally Posted by garnabby

Glad to hear all youze are so "secure in yourselves"... so why not show us some more pictures of your car(s)/scooter; and regale us with some more of those statistically-impossible group-wins; or tell us of another casino which no longer carries baccarat because of your site? Lol.

Oh cripes. I forgot this little gem from you. Can't let it pass now, can I?

Pictures of the car? How about a little context here. At the time we were discussing old cars we had, you know, like people do everywhere and a few of us had the same cars from the same era. I posted up a photo of it with an interesting anecdote to go along with it.

Statistically impossible group wins? You mean hitting 19 out of 20 shoes won? Not impossible and any PLAYER worth his skills can do it. I've done it a few times now but that elusive 20 out of 20 is just out of my reach. Let me know when you get win #1. Oh yeah, you don't play so this is all foreign to you.

And finally, that ridiculous quote about a casino that no longer carries baccarat because of "our site".

If you would actually READ the source material you would see that some guy came in and claimed he was shutting down his baccarat tables because a group came in and beat up his tables. It had nothing to do with "our site". He just posted up there and one of your cronies decided to post it up here. If you would actually READ the information, you wouldn't make such a fool out of yourself with your constant inaccuracies when posting up.,

OK, that should cover everything you've managed to clobber in your last few posts. Please continue on without me.

I'll go back to a thread about baccarat here and leave you behind, like usual.

AD