Flat-Betting Banker

[Joker]

hello mr.. Ellis.. i sort of believe you... i mean if MM can give long time winner then everybody will do that to win it... i mean i am very sure many don't mind waiting casino for 7 hours without bet and you make decent living... well, of couse casino environment isn't great.....

well, Mr. Ellis so you are saying that you need better system and MM to beat this game???

well, this is just bit off the subject but has anybody or mr. Ellis tried any sports betting? i mean i am a big fan of tennis and i feel i can get more than 60% hitting rate.. i mean if I find 50/50 odds game and if I do lots of research somewhat outcome comes pretty solid...
and one thing i like about this is the system isn't based on mechanical.. it is based on information.. and etc....and not mention you don't have to go casino...

any thoughts??

[Profbac]

Joker,

Yes this is totally off topic, but I had the same idea about tennis.
First let me say that I am not a sports bettor. But I did spend some time looking into it. A very long time ago, I was into various martial arts, as I am sure many on this site are, and I did some betting on boxing matches.
I made a little money on local matches, but it was not systematic.
Just watched fighters in local gyms.

My wife and son are serious tennis fans/players so I got involved.
You can bet on the open matches in Las Vegas. The problem is that the top pros are so carefully watched it is hard to beat the bookmakers.
I did notice that everyone seems to overbet the pros. If you bet on
Roger Federer you get paid almost nothing if you win. Nadal vs Federer
looked fair. James Blake is always an underdog.

I think that there could be money in the smaller matches, but you really need to learn the players. I know my own abilities, and I am a card player. I would recommend you look into sports betting, You probably have a better chance to make money there than bacarrat.
Unless you relly find a system.


BTW. As to this flat betting thread, I am in exact agreement with Ellis last
post.

[noje]

I mean flat-bet one unit on Banker each and every time except after PPP. Then wait until Banker reappears before starting to bet it again.

Banker wins the majority of shoes, in any case. Plus you're curtailing losses against long Player streaks by stopping at PPP.

In my experience, -6 unit shoes do not happen that often, and when they do, -6 units is negligible after many regular wins on shoes in the range of +5 - +15 units.

I think a goal of 10 units per day would be highly achievable ($1000/day).

I have at the moment 1000 baccarat shoes I am working on 500 and I am not kidding a full time job I have seen at least 300 shoes player is leading the way than after that banker takes over and wins an avrage not even one hand over the player per shoe so how can you rely on banker bet hmhmhmh? after 3 playrs come 1 banker than after banker comes 13 players than one banker than again 16 player this is not a joke how can you place a bet after bank comes when banker was comming single 13 times God forbid you might think this is just one off but it can happen many times again and again its baccarat man and its so unpredictable. I sugest do not play main line play third lucky you will see the difference you dont need to know who is better player or the banker third lucky is made from minuses and pluses regardless of banker or player outcome.

noje "master of third lucky"

[thegeorgiahurricane]

Im not familiar with third lucky--will you explain please

[noje]

Im not familiar with third lucky--will you explain please

The third lucky is something like if player comes you go oposite or vice a versa but if you dont catch it its the only solution to follow its like third time lucky if you win you mark it a + (plus) sign if you lose you mark it a - (minus) sign and so on. So you get combinations of minuses and pluses similar like banker player but this is independant of main line outcome so your combination is definate answer minus orplus in relation to Banker or the player. Sometimes player can be plus and also banker can be plus if you have excel program than I can sand you some example so you can follow it properly they way I am composing them and you can try to make your own combinationsok see you next time

regards noje the "third lucky" man

[grassshopper]

Noje,

Sound interesting, could you give us a visual example and how you would bet it?

Thanks

[steve6969]

can you post an example

[grassshopper]

Based on Johns last comment, I think this puts to rest this thread...

[noje]

I think the easiest way to win several units per session is simply to flat-bet Banker every hand until you come across PPP. Then wait for the appearance of the next Banker before wagering on it once again.

Playing through the entire shoe with a -6 unit stop-loss per shoe, after recording the results of 50 random shoes I get +145 units.

At the black chip level , that's over $14,000 for one week's worth of full-time play.

you just being lucky I supose I have seen player never stops and its crusing around 3 one 4 one 21 and banker only appers once in 15 hands what you gonna do than????? dont think thats predictable to win like you saying its just pure luck there will be a bad time going home loosing just as much as you win plus more I seen people winning 7 millions and give them back not even a week thats idea of casino to land you that 14,000 and surely you will give them back no one wins by playing constantly no matter what its all goes to house commission no matter what you do but one bet every shoes in the begining so far works good but must increae moderately I do increase sometimes agressive and it could go wtong but so far so lucky.

[sevenshooter]

you just being lucky I supose I have seen player never stops and its crusing around 3 one 4 one 21 and banker only appers once in 15 hands what you gonna do than?????

I stop betting Banker after PPP, so long Player streaks are negligible.

I would also use my -6 unit stop-loss and move on to a better shoe.

[scot]

How are you faring with this, Sevenshooter (since you have purported that it still works for you)? Haven't heard from you in a awhile.

[fauzy]

I think the easiest way to win several units per session is simply to flat-bet Banker every hand until you come across PPP. Then wait for the appearance of the next Banker before wagering on it once again.

Playing through the entire shoe with a -6 unit stop-loss per shoe, after recording the results of 50 random shoes I get +145 units.

At the black chip level , that's over $14,000 for one week's worth of full-time play.

Flat betting banker streak + chop 1,2,4 player win 1 u each time,streak 4 you lose 3 u . Good sir !!

[fauzy]

BBBB
PPPPPP l2
BBBBB w3
PP
BBBB w2
PP
B l1
P
B
PPPPPP
B L1
P
B
PP
B
P
BB L=0 W =o
PP
BBB W1
P
BB
P
BBB
PP
BBBBB W3
PP
B
P
B
P
BB
P
BBB

Banker: 40
Player: 32
+12 units

B w?
P
BB W?
P
BB W?
PPPP
B L1
P
BB
P
B
PPP
B
PPPPPP
BB W =0
P
B
P
BBB
P
BBBBB
PPPPPPPP
B
P
B
P
BBB
PP
BB

Banker: 28
Player: 32

+1 unit

+1 ? ....+12 u ,please make clear sir

[fauzy]

I think the easiest way to win several units per session is simply to flat-bet Banker every hand until you come across PPP. Then wait for the appearance of the next Banker before wagering on it once again.

Playing through the entire shoe with a -6 unit stop-loss per shoe, after recording the results of 50 random shoes I get +145 units.

At the black chip level , that's over $14,000 for one week's worth of full-time play.

all hand B win ,PPP =lost 2u stop ? PPPPB ,B not play w= 0 ,,,PPB Lose 1u W 1u
Please make clear

[fauzy]

I chose to use a -6 unit stop loss since most of the shoes that went to -6 at the beginning tended to continue on a downward spiral.

Even if the shoe did recover after hitting -6, the end result was usually breaking even or just slightly plus.

I think the small stop-loss is critical to coming out ahead in the long run since you will encounter a number of shoes with long Banker streaks, as well. Win on Banker, never lose more than 3 units on lengthy Player runs.

Also, with flat-betting, things are much more manageable compared to using a negative progression. You can go through many shoes without exceeding lows of -2 or -3 units. Your highs can be extremely high (as flat-betting goes). +15 is not unattainable.


All I can say is, over 50 shoes dealt out in a land-based casino, I was up +145 units. I charted the Bac pit again this afternoon looking over the results of 10 more shoes played and was up another +51 units (paper bets). Mind you, in retrospect, these ended up being very Banker-biased shoes.

start a shoe P = 8 B=5 ?

[fauzy]

Assuming a loss of -6 occurred on each of these four shoes, that's -24 units. Just two good Banker shoes would more than make up for that loss.
Remember, we are not betting Banker every hand. Long Player streaks cannot hurt this system. Even if the Player streak went to, say, sixteen, that's not -16 units but just -3.

All I can say is in my experience testing this method, I'm over +200 units in sixty-some shoes.

How about looking for a shoe running at P 10 B 5

[fauzy]

I think the easiest way to win several units per session is simply to flat-bet Banker every hand until you come across PPP. Then wait for the appearance of the next Banker before wagering on it once again.

Playing through the entire shoe with a -6 unit stop-loss per shoe, after recording the results of 50 random shoes I get +145 units.

At the black chip level , that's over $14,000 for one week's worth of full-time play.

-6= PPP 111 -3 ......PPP 111...-3
PPB =-1u
PPP 1,12....-4
PPB = w ou

[Joker]

hello no offense.. but please do not spend penny on system.. please..!!!

again.. think straight.... if you have system which can turn into money why bother putting your website and deal with crazy people complain about your system...

well, to me only way you can get profit from gambing is to win huge... i mean only poker winner, jack pot winner or lottery winner are to me you can make great living from gambling.. yes as we all know Bryant also make great living from playing. but again it is very very difficult... not everybody can be professional basketball players...

Anyhow.. well, look back few month ago.. Octopus predicted 8 straight win.. well, if you did double up you would won forutune.. i mean even start $100... anybody can afford $100..

another system... see the 7 streak of Banker or Player and follow the streak.. 7 streak can get really high...

Simple way to win big is find the streak... it can be anything...
1) octopus... well, next year i will follow his bet for sure...
2) look the streak.. can be BBBBB or BPBPBP or BBPPBBPPBBPP
3) or find someone is really hot.. winnig crazy....
4) pick quick and don't wait... jump in and jump out.....

[Joker]

lol if doesn't work then why bother? i mean no offense...

i am sorry sounds bit harsh... but I am very sure it is worth looking at it...

but as you said is so right.. it is all luck.. but when lucky you should win big.. not say i was lucky i won $100... then you will lose $1000 next time.. it is better win huge when you are lucky...and lose very small.....

well, if that is free can you write it here? so people can see it

thanks

[green8]

Hey guys, I just got back from LV earlier this week. I have some scorecards to show you guys but i need to first scan them. I will upload only one since it takes up too much bandwidth on the forum, the rest of the scorecards will be uploaded on to my personal blog. I'm glad someone brought this "flat betting banker" topic up because one of the shoes i cut had way more bankers than players. 46 Bankers --27 Players -- 11 Ties

I will upload it next week once i get them scanned at the office.

[gerard711]

Would like to see those shoes whats the address of the blog

thanks
G711

[green8]

I don't believe I am allowed to post the link of the blog. I will be posting one of the scanned images tomorrow. Need to finish up a project for work tonight.

[green8]

I finally had a chance to scan some of the scorecards from my LV trip. This shoe I posted totally works with "Flat Betting Banker". I'm not going into detail about what happened in the shoe. I am posting all my scorecards on my blog in the next couple days since I have more space on the server there.

High Resolution Image:



Cheers!

[sevenshooter]

Flat bet >$100 units

Bankroll: >50 units

Stop win: one or two units per shoe (or let Banker bet ride until receding back down two units)

Stop loss: -5 units per shoe

Remember to never bet against Player streak -- halt betting at PPP until reappearance of B.

Very, very easy to win several units per day and win long-term as long as stop-loss is respected.

[dg0412]

Flat bet >$100 units

Bankroll: >50 units

Stop win: one or two units per shoe (or let Banker bet ride until receding back down two units)

Stop loss: -5 units per shoe

Remember to never bet against Player streak -- halt betting at PPP until reappearance of B.

Very, very easy to win several units per day and win long-term as long as stop-loss is respected.

Hi sevenshooter,

You have Bryan trigger list. Which have you been using for your daily play and why?

Also the stop loss of 5 units means as long as a pattern of PPP B PP, you will move to another shoe??

Regards

[KingWilliam]

Flat bet >$100 units

Bankroll: >50 units

Stop win: one or two units per shoe (or let Banker bet ride until receding back down two units)

Stop loss: -5 units per shoe

Remember to never bet against Player streak -- halt betting at PPP until reappearance of B.

Very, very easy to win several units per day and win long-term as long as stop-loss is respected.

Seven- An earlier thread said that the side that reaches 6 winning hands first, wins 66% of the time. To that end, why not wait and play your strategy after you see which side wins the 6 first and go from there whether it be banker or pl;ayer? Make sense? Thanks for your time- Bill

[green8]

Can you elaborate more on this "the side that reaches 6 winning hands first, wins 66% of the time" ???

[KingWilliam]

Green- I read an earlier thread that said that the side that wins 6 wins first, will have more wins in the total shoe 66% of the time. This thread appeared under the flat bet strategy of betting on the banker side , a strategy by Seven. If this is true, it seems like it would be wise to bet that particular side for the remainder of the shoe.
Bill

[zachster]

ey sevenshooter..intreresting concept.. i can imagine this system would work with the Avant Dernier system? i mean instead of relying on just one streak for the one or 2 units.. why not all three? banker, player, and alternating? whats rarer anyway? player hitting PPP? or double chops PPBBPP? double chops are what would give the Avant Denier a hard time.. just a thought.. thanks!

[extremeb]

A very good idea.

Rules of the Strategy:

a) Always bet one unit on Banker
b) Halt betting after appearance of PPP
c) Rebet Banker after Banker reappears
d) -6 unit stop loss for shoe Resume play at start of new shoe

hi seven and everyone else,

from a pure logical sense, when u hit -6units, y not stay at the same shoe and continue to do the same but only change it to player?

yes i know statistically speaking, banker has a slightly higher chance of winning, but speaking from a pure logical sense (and also from your observation, u said), the reason we stop at -6units is because the shoe doesnt fit this method right, so invert the method and that should fine, won't it?

also, im still puzzling with this, if this method works, or if u want to prove that this method works, y not double your bankroll everyday before u go home? because if it works, then it should really matter right