Thread: Pairs and Ties - Any strategy on these ?

Dear all,

A newbie to this Forum and I take this opportunity to say hell to everyone.

While I have been combing through the forum avidly, like a sponge hoping to absord everything I read from the posts, somehow there is little said on the strategy on pairs and ties.

I note that most seasoned and big player seldom bet on P/Ts, but could somebody shed some light on this :
(1) What do you think about betting on P/Ts
(2) Does anybody have a strategy/system to "predict" the occurence of these ?

Personally I observed that Ps tend to come out after every 8 to 10 hands and Ts in about 12 hands.

Any comment/guidance are appreciated.

Regards

Thanks for your response and pointer, definitely will check out the odds.

It seems that a lot of novice are really sucked into this trap. Me was one of them, but no longer..... hehe !

P/S: Sorry for the typo in my initial post, I meant to say "hello", not "hell". Oops !!

I tried this in practice for a while and it doesn't completly suck for ties. A word of caution and acknowlegdment--the tie bet is a sucker bet... but if you must play it look at this. After a hand in which 5 cards are drawn bet 1 unit and continue after each hand of 5 cards with a 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3 progression. Look at it in practice and see what you think. I turned a profit, but it was rather minimal and I decided to leave ties alone.

I have two things to point out. both of which could be very stupid..

1.) I used to play a system where I would bet based on what happened in the previous shoe to the current shoe that I was playing. The only thing that I found that was consistent with that system was that the ties would fall around the same spots as the ties from the previous shoe.

2.) I have played a ton of shoes on bp over the last year. I have noticed something that seems somewhat consistent. A tie appears to typically fall in the same slot over and over again.

take a look at the shoe attached. This is a shoe that I played on BP awhile ago. The green dashes are ties.

4 ties fall in slot 2
3 ties fall in slot 3
2 ties fall in slot 4

does anybody else notice this type of pattern with ties?

These are refered to as "tie lines" by the Vietnamese players I often play with. Notice that the second line is where most ties fall. I really dont think this is a suprise when you think about it. All 2s and greater hit the two hole--so there are simply more decisions here of which tie is a part.

Originally Posted by thegeorgiahurricane

These are refered to as "tie lines" by the Vietnamese players I often play with. Notice that the second line is where most ties fall. I really dont think this is a suprise when you think about it. All 2s and greater hit the two hole--so there are simply more decisions here of which tie is a part.

I had a feeling that they have a name for what I described. I watch them play closely and they seem to pay attention to the lines.

Identical pairs are very easy to spot depending on your recording technique(s). They are high probability bets that most of the time it is going to be in your favor. Plus they are very high occurrence in a shoe so you can win big even while placing flat bets. Well that is from my own backtesting/playing on the casino floor.

As for finding out ties. That is going to be a very tricky one. I have ran into a few folks who bet the tie bet and won a few times. As for them able to do it consistently? I don't know. We only sat with each other a few times so I can't really make an assessment if it is whether it is skill or luck. I mean if they are able to do so, more power to them.

Originally Posted by DiMenosCor

Identical pairs are very easy to spot depending on your recording technique(s). They are high probability bets that most of the time it is going to be in your favor. Plus they are very high occurrence in a shoe so you can win big even while placing flat bets. Well that is from my own backtesting/playing on the casino floor.

As for finding out ties. That is going to be a very tricky one. I have ran into a few folks who bet the tie bet and won a few times. As for them able to do it consistently? I don't know. We only sat with each other a few times so I can't really make an assessment if it is whether it is skill or luck. I mean if they are able to do so, more power to them.

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Hey everybody I'm new here and figured I'd chime in on this thread instead of posting a new one. I've come up with a tie based system that allows a 43 step progression for 8:1 and 50 steps in a 9:1. It takes no losses if a tie hits within those 43/50 hands and offers a nice profit if it hits on certain steps of the progression. I've tested the system on many many practice shoes (Bodog, online shoes, etc.) and have consistently made $400 to $700 an hour and have not taken a loss. I have also observed many "real" shoes and haven't experienced a B/P streak that would break the system. Math probability suggest that 4.3 ties should show up in 50 hands (Please correct me if I am wrong). I'm pretty sure there have been shoes in the past that have gone against normal probability but I wanted to ask all of you if you have PERSONALLY experienced any such shoes/RNG draws? So has anyone recorded a shoe with a B/P no-tie streak of 43+ or 50+? All input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance everyone!

PS - not trying to sell a "system" or anything.. just a young cat trynna get some knowledge from the old timers and players with more experience!

Personally, I think Hermes posted a FANTASTIC tie system in another thread on this forum that I have yet to see lose on my shoes:

Another bulletproof system is: wait for first TIE to appear and then wait for 10 no TIE hands and apply a progression on appearance of TIE only! Bet for 3 ties in one shoe to be on the secure side. Average is 6 ties for a shoe. Be careful if 2-3 ties come in period of 10 hands! There will be probably big hole after the squeeze. Wait 15 hands or discharge.

I always believe in bias in every shoe, there are pair bias, tie bias, banker bias, player bias, streak bias, chop bias...etc. Usually after about 10 to 20 hands, you begin to have a feel of what kind of bias in that shoe. If more pairs come out early, more will come out later, that's card counting. For no comm table that pays half when Banker wins on 6, there are usually more ties, becos Banker stands on 6 most of the time, and casino likes to have more Banker wins on 6 to save on comm. The other biases are there to counter Marty punters.

My local casino is soon to offer 9-1 for the Tie. I have a method swirling around in my head at the mo. But tk777 I sure am interested in your progression, because usually it climbs exponentially, but I may have a cure for that. I see so many people win decent amounts playing the Tie, won a few myself, however tend to avoid it, hopefully that will change..