System 40: Ellis Clifton Davis

[ADulay]

You are a LIAR.

A liar? Nope. Just misinformed. As I've never seen any mention of Benson on Ellis' site in connection with the upcoming Seminar, I wouldn't know about it as I've never been on Benson's site!

I also find it odd that Benson is charging $795 for the seminar when Ellis is charging $250.

Lemme check into it and see what the story is.

Thanks for bringing it up.

AD

[soxfan]

Wow. benson AND ellis teaming up? Could this be a sign that the end of the universe is at hand? It's like that Batman flick where the Penguin, Riddler, Joker AND Catwoman got together to plague the good citizens of Gotham City!

I wonder if Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaadoooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy will be on hand? Perhaps garnabby jones will return to once again bird dog ellis and his crew? Heck, soxfan might even head down, the potential entertainment value of the thing is incredible, hey hey!

You are a LIAR.

[tomla]

Does the NOR thing use special funky scorecards with bac patterns on them-lie ppbpbbpb etc? Was at Mohegan Sun this morning and two younger as in early twenties sat down and where playing with specialty scorecards..I joked around with them but didnt pry, was interesting to see

[soxfan]

Hmm, I notice in the promotional material they don't mention ellis by name. They simply say this "nor" thingy was created by keith and a "partner". I guess the don't want potential su.. err customers googling the name eliis clifton davis, hey hey! lmwax100000

[swami]

I have no personal experience with Clifton Davis, but research says this is a name to avoid. I do have plenty of experience with Benson who in my mind is in exactly the same class as Donnie Millionaire - just a real crooked con man. Buyer beware, a leopard does not chang its spots. love, swami

[ADulay]

I wonder if Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaadoooooooooooooolaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy will be on hand? Perhaps garnabby jones will return to once again bird dog ellis and his crew?

I'll just assume that was me you're referencing.

No, I won't be there. That whole "mid-December" time frame is pretty hectic for me.

Obviously Garn won't make it as he's still living on another planet of his own making.

AD

[ADulay]

A liar? Nope. Just misinformed. As I've never seen any mention of Benson on Ellis' site in connection with the upcoming Seminar, I wouldn't know about it as I've never been on Benson's site!

I also find it odd that Benson is charging $795 for the seminar when Ellis is charging $250.

Lemme check into it and see what the story is.

Thanks for bringing it up.

AD

Mr. Free,

You are absolutely right. Just got the word from the BTC site.

I stand corrected.

I also understand the reasoning for bringing Benson in on the NOR seminar.

AD

[soxfan]

Mr. Free,

You are absolutely right. Just got the word from the BTC site.

I stand corrected.

I also understand the reasoning for bringing Benson in on the NOR seminar.

AD

I'm certain there is a very good reason why ellis and benson joined forces, perhaps you'll enlighten us. You are one serious cat, aaaaaaaaaaaaaadooooooooooolaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy, I must say, hey hey!

[Free]

Anybody else hear crickets chirping?

[ADulay]

Anybody else hear crickets chirping?

I can only assume your attempt at humor was directed at me?

As nobody in the forum actually gives a rat's behind what Benson, Ellis, or any of the horrible system sellers do, why would I even attempt to "enlighten" anyone here. You want answers? Go ask them!

See, that was easy.


AD

[soxfan]

Hmmm, perhaps now that imsprint is a huge fan of all things ellis, he too will be in on this conclave? Perhaps he can give this his mathite/arm chair bac warrior/cynics seal of approval? The mind boggles at the possibilites, hey hey!!!!

[Free]

You are a slippery one, I'll give you that. Talking shit about how people are making stuff up about Ellis and Benson coming together, then once you were caught, you act all innocent like you made a honest mistake.

Give me a break. You want us to believe Ellis keeps you in the dark over there at BTC? LOL.

The ONLY reason Ellis is teaming up with Benson is money. Must not be too many sheep left in Ellis little pasture left to sheer huh. Ellis has got to get his Xmas bonus some way right?

[ADulay]

You are a slippery one, I'll give you that. Talking shit about how people are making stuff up about Ellis and Benson coming together, then once you were caught, you act all innocent like you made a honest mistake.

Give me a break. You want us to believe Ellis keeps you in the dark over there at BTC?

Well, that would be hard to believe, but it also assumes I work for the guy or am somehow associated as a partner or something.

No, that's some "fact" that you guys have got stuck in your brains via selective inbreeding of what you think you see.

I am merely a member of the BTC forum and reasonably competent player of the ideas as I see them.

I am NOT privvy to any of the inside business deals, secret societies, mergers or anything other than the daily operation of the forum.

So, once again all of your courageous arguments are based on incorrect assumptions.

Is there any point in continuing this particular discussion?

AD

[soxfan]

Well Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddoooooooooolllllllla aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy, you must be butter cuz yer ona roll again. There must be some reason why eliis and benson combined forces, hey hey.

Well, that would be hard to believe, but it also assumes I work for the guy or am somehow associated as a partner or something.

No, that's some "fact" that you guys have got stuck in your brains via selective inbreeding of what you think you see.

I am merely a member of the BTC forum and reasonably competent player of the ideas as I see them.

I am NOT privvy to any of the inside business deals, secret societies, mergers or anything other than the daily operation of the forum.

So, once again all of your courageous arguments are based on incorrect assumptions.

Is there any point in continuing this particular discussion?

AD

[Archer]

Well Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddoooooooooolllllllla aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy, you must be butter cuz yer ona roll again. There must be some reason why eliis and benson combined forces, hey hey.

Too make money! Ellis a very good marketer and knows you can't keep selling the same thing over and over so . . . honey nut cheerios instead of regular LOL. Also, it is my understanding that Ellis is charging his Asian "clients" $1,000.00 and if he gets enough buyers he plans to make an Asian tour. See - he is always moving forward. Hahahah.

A

[soxfan]

Too make money! Ellis a very good marketer and knows you can't keep selling the same thing over and over so . . . honey nut cheerios instead of regular LOL. Also, it is my understanding that Ellis is charging his Asian "clients" $1,000.00 and if he gets enough buyers he plans to make an Asian tour. See - he is always moving forward. Hahahah.

A

Well, if elis, benson, izaak and silvethorne ever combine forces soxfan is gonna head for the bunker, hey hey.

[miniFORTUNE]

Any feed back from the presentation at Gold Coast last Saturday?

BTW, I tested the approach as defined on this thread on a database of 3000 shoes I played over the years and unfortunately is not good at all and very negative after you factor commissions on winning bank bets.
What really counts is the shoe itself. In hundreds of shoes you may win over 40 units per shoe and on hundreds and hundreds you may lose over 50 units.

This method reminds me of the Baccarat Interceptor and their "doctored" and complex named rules.

Nothing works all the time or over the long run.

But I appreciate sincerely the efforts of all the members on this thread that presented this "crown jewel" system. I will look and test anything. I'm doing it for over 23 years.
Who knows?

Best!
miniFORTUNE

[pitty1]

Thanks for sharing...and the time to test it out miniFORTUNE..One thing you gotta admit...King Elsi sure knows how to polish them jewels..

[Killer]

I just learnd about this guy from this site. I look him up on You Tube
and he was call out hands and posting them on the wall
I watched a few hands and where he losted and marked it as a lost , After they were change that hand to a winning hand and saying that he made a mistake. This is a fruad ,The people that were reading the shoe to him were telling him where to bet . All bullshit,
Follow my Killer method step by step and you will see the game clearly
Killer methods (The life cycle of the random pattern)

[pitty1]

This is a fruad ,The people that were reading the shoe to him were telling him where to bet . All bullshit,

LO frickin L...If only i could be allowed to change my bet after the cards are out...I would make a mint..

[Egalite]

LO frickin L...If only i could be allowed to change my bet after the cards are out...I would make a mint..

Shhhh, killer has quite a fan base on here already, and they are easily upset...

[Archer]

Shhhh, killer has quite a fan base on here already, and they are easily upset...

The Ego strikes again! Me thinks that Ego is the only one who is upset! Why else would he even bother to make this sarcastic response to pitty? Pitty said nothing about killer. Ego cannot stand the fact that some would have interest or discuss any method but his own. If that doesn't smack of real jealousy I don't know what does!

Hey, Ego, may I remind you that this is a Baccarat site? That is what people do here!

Archer

[Archer]

I just learnd about this guy from this site. I look him up on You Tube
and he was call out hands and posting them on the wall
I watched a few hands and where he losted and marked it as a lost , After they were change that hand to a winning hand and saying that he made a mistake. This is a fruad ,The people that were reading the shoe to him were telling him where to bet . All bullshit,
Follow my Killer method step by step and you will see the game clearly
Killer methods (The life cycle of the random pattern)

Many on this site have been witnessing Ellis selling system after system for the last 10 years at least. That is what he does. As of yet nobody has come up with a mechanical method that does not require subjective judgement to beat the game. Rather they define guidelines for bet placement (BP) and money management (MM) to hopefully gain a win. Your main antagonist on this board is no exception.

Archer