Thread: What a joke

Has anyone noticed how little useful baccarat discussion takes place on this site? I mean you either have Grandpa Ellis promoting his equally useless site and his different system for every shoe nonsense or one of his detractors whining because he wont post his degrees(Garnabby). Then you have a long cast of characters led by ADulay who pretend to who sing the praises of good ol Ellis. And isnt it funny when you visit Mark Ripple's horse racing site that there is an endorsement by Cindy Pierson Dulay. Dulay...seems I've heard that name. Most of the useful discussion takes place in the form of private message. What is discussed in public is quickly trampled on by the zoo crew. Whatever.

Georgia, its not like you to trample a site you've never been to. You are practicing exactly what you preach against. Don't go by what Garnabby and/or Archer says. They've never been there either.

On this forum every informative thread eventually gets trampled by one of those two including your own. But if you think I'm going to sit around and let these know nothings call me names - well I'm not Jesus.

None of this crap happens on my forum. Its an adult forum that sticks to Baccarat. There is never an unkind word spoken. That is as it should be. But I doubt that will ever happen here. This forum has become a complete waste of time and energy.

As you know, there are good Baccarat principles and there are bad ones. I teach the difference. Most players on my forum only play one system but I teach various counts to mold any system to the shoe at hand - much as you do with your triggers. You know as well as I do that if you play every shoe the same way W/O regard for what the shoe is doing you'll lose long run plain and simple. But pick any system. If you accurately mold it to the shoe at hand, you'll likely win. That is what I teach and that is why my players win.

Most of my players don't bother with this forum at all for the very reasons you delineate. Why would they?

And you turn an insult into a sales pitch. Classic.

Georgia,

THIS SITE IS VERY VALUABLE.

Yes, there are some obnoxious cowardly fools who disrupt the site, and there are people who want to sell something. Looking beyond that:

1. Your own self disclosure and what happened back in Tunica started some serious discussion about the most important topic here.
I was personally moved, and think of it often. I am in a casino every week,
and I know it is an unhealthy and polluted enviornment. Awareness of
this helps me stay focused .

2. It has been amazing to me that I have been able to correspond with people around the world who share an interest in this game. Personally,
I don't know anyone who plays this that I want to talk to. The forum
has allowed me to do that. Yes, much is in PM, but the site gets it out there.

3. I never expect anyone to give away the Holly Grail on a free web site,
but I really have picked up some good ideas here.

Very truthful title of this thread..I always get a laugh when ellis comes on all serious like.. and then the ol"BTW" on my site..we never lose, never argue ect.ect. utopia..No different than a stranger walking up to u in a casino and wants to borrow some money with a promise to pay it back...Keep posting ellis...alway good for a laugh at least..(i think u can call that contributing?)

Originally Posted by thegeorgiahurricane

Has anyone noticed how little useful baccarat discussion takes place on this site? I mean you either have Grandpa Ellis promoting his equally useless site and his different system for every shoe nonsense or one of his detractors whining because he wont post his degrees(Garnabby). Then you have a long cast of characters led by ADulay who pretend to who sing the praises of good ol Ellis. And isnt it funny when you visit Mark Ripple's horse racing site that there is an endorsement by Cindy Pierson Dulay. Dulay...seems I've heard that name. Most of the useful discussion takes place in the form of private message. What is discussed in public is quickly trampled on by the zoo crew. Whatever.

He has a point. I am one of those people who has been adding to the problems. I think i'm going to take a step back and ignore the people who I don't like, maybe that will help. Mike has pointed out that there is an ignore option.

But you can find some good things on this forum. I found something of value recently..you just have to sift through all of the fightting. This comes with a free forum no matter what. It even happens on youtube videos, I don't see it ever endeding here unless Mikes begins to ban people or charges a fee.

Alot of the people here have a lot to offer though. It is crazy that we all fight so much when we really should be fightting with the Casinos.
Ellis has a lot to offer, I don't care what anybody says. He has been playing for a long time, longer than a lot of us.

Garnabby also has some interesting ideas to offer and he is smart. I don't know if he plays but you don't have to play to be good. Some of the greatest hockey coaches have never played the game of hockey.

Why were you tossing around insults in the first place? You belittle Garnabby and then turn around and do the same thing he does and ruin your own thread. Now THAT is classic. Sure I turn it into a sales pitch. I've been in the business very successfully for 30 years. That's what businessmen do. That's what makes the world go around. But that doesn't make me a bad teacher. Most say I'm the best Bac instructor there is. I was here long long before this Forum started. I had the First Bac forum and wrote the first Bac book. It was extremely successful because I first demonstrated it in real casinos at real $100 tables. I put my money where my mouth is. Before me there were no Bac sites and only a small chapter in a general gambling book devoted to Baccarat. Nobody else EVER demonstrated their wares first in a casino. Nobody before me. I think that is being as honest as possible. Then I come here only to get called a bunch of names by a couple of know nothings. I supported your efforts here but look what I get for it. I need to quit this forum altogether. It's like a bad habit. BTW I just got a call during this post from Asia saying that I'm the most popular Bac instructor there. And BTW, I was first to post an accurate frequency of events table on this forum. Look it up. Oh, and, of course I got chastised for my efforts by the know nothings.

Like i say..always good for a laugh..ol ALFA/OMEGA one.

It's like a broken record. Poor Ellis. He just wants to teach us poor lil chillin how to play backerack and we are soooo ungrateful. Its hilarious. The ALPHA/OMEGA MAN wannabe. Please Uncle Ellis share some of your great wisdom. Is it Player or Banker?

blah blah blah i just wanna teach blah blah blah im so misunderstood blah blah Archer and Garnabby are meanies blah blah blah where the real pros are .....funny.

Im over it. Never was into it. Not like you. Don't wanna be like you. No offense intended to Profbac and John1234. Not everybody who posts here is a dirtbag know-it-all-know-nothing. Whatever.

Hey Georgia

Go read my post on the dice control thread.
Hope you get a chuckle out of it.
Cheer up. Thing will work out.

Have fun guys.

Yes ellis..and much luck with ur membership drive..

HAHA!

lets all set up a casino in our basement so we can gather tons and tons of useless information. Dice control ... really?

While Im on a rant let me spew out a bit more venom. Why is it that 90% of the posts only deal in terms of P and B? Nobody thinks what happens around ties or around certain scores or naturals is of any value? Hasn't the B and P thing sort of been beat to death? Look--even if the holy grail was posted half the maroons wouldnt recognize it because they are so stuck on B and P. When you keep a score card you only record B and P? Aren't you missing some very valuable and pertinent information? Let me ask this question. Have you ever wondered why most casinos provide eletronic tote boards? Do you think the casino is going to provide you with a helpful tool? Could it be the tote boards are the same as those basic strategy cards in black jack so freely available in casino gift shops which, if you follow, almost guarantees you to lose? In the words of the infamous Jerry Mann...Unfreakin Real.

Originally Posted by thegeorgiahurricane

While Im on a rant let me spew out a bit more venom. Why is it that 90% of the posts only deal in terms of P and B? Nobody thinks what happens around ties or around certain scores or naturals is of any value? Hasn't the B and P thing sort of been beat to death? Look--even if the holy grail was posted half the maroons wouldnt recognize it because they are so stuck on B and P. When you keep a score card you only record B and P? Aren't you missing some very valuable and pertinent information? Let me ask this question. Have you ever wondered why most casinos provide eletronic tote boards? Do you think the casino is going to provide you with a helpful tool? Could it be the tote boards are the same as those basic strategy cards in black jack so freely available in casino gift shops which, if you follow, almost guarantees you to lose? In the words of the infamous Jerry Mann...Unfreakin Real.

Ellis, is that you? You sound exactly like Ellis.

Originally Posted by thegeorgiahurricane

While Im on a rant let me spew out a bit more venom. Why is it that 90% of the posts only deal in terms of P and B? Nobody thinks what happens around ties or around certain scores or naturals is of any value? Hasn't the B and P thing sort of been beat to death? Look--even if the holy grail was posted half the maroons wouldnt recognize it because they are so stuck on B and P. When you keep a score card you only record B and P? Aren't you missing some very valuable and pertinent information? Let me ask this question. Have you ever wondered why most casinos provide eletronic tote boards? Do you think the casino is going to provide you with a helpful tool? Could it be the tote boards are the same as those basic strategy cards in black jack so freely available in casino gift shops which, if you follow, almost guarantees you to lose? In the words of the infamous Jerry Mann...Unfreakin Real.

Exactly..thinking of the game only in B and P outcomes is so limiting. There are more factors that exist that so many people are failing to look at. The more you become aware the more this game seems to make sense. And why limit yourself? I think that your chances of success are higher with multiple streams of information to look at rather than just a single stream of P/B outcomes. Did you ever get my latest PM?

So lets put it all right here. get it off your chest. Say what you want to say .And unless you have some real useful baccarat related talk just leave it right here. Please...someone post SOMETHING worth discussing. Or has it all been said. I mean...how much can be said about a near 50/50 decision? P or B. Do you know how pathetic you look Ellis? A 70 year old man selling 50 dollar subscriptions? Do you have a paper route too? What a good post looks like...like anyone really cares what your opinion is. Get off your high horse. This is your life's work? Really? P or B. You spent your life talking about P or B. Unreal.

Hi thegeorgiahurricane..just got another six pack for the occasion...this can be fun..U all burned out on B/P,TRENDS,PATTERNS,CHOPS/STREAKS,COIN TOSS,COLOR COUNTING,MONEY MANAGEMENT.. ect...It's obvious in no ones lifetime one will not be able to sit thru all the possible combos a good shuffled shoe can output..Just go thru ur historical scorecards and find a perfect match...That would impress the hell out of me..What was it that hurried u out so fast? U remember 800 to 5K to zip?..were u trackin p/b's? it wasn't card counting was it? Well i guess theres nothing less..maybe we should all go play slots or bingo?..I can say there are many skilled players in bac.Simple examples.. 1 player cashed in 1000 walked out with 1800 within half hour tday(nearly on a weekly basis)he uses no scorecards...And players who spend more time there than i do.. i really don't see them playing tailored made systems or at least the ones i am familiar with....So what do you think is missing? huh?