Thread: Craps Dice Control Thread

If anyone has an interest in precision shooting then please use this thread to post legitimate questions.

I'll do my best to answer with candor and accuracy.

Sevenshooter

Hi Sevenshooter. Who taught you?

Originally Posted by Ellis

Hi Sevenshooter. Who taught you?

Self-taught.

How did you test this?
How big a sample?

How do you define a session or trip, and what are your win/loss parameters? Ex. 100 shooters, 1,000 throws, 4 hours ? and what are your expected range of outcomes?

Got a goood 6&8 system? thanks

Originally Posted by Profbac

How did you test this?
How big a sample?

How do you define a session or trip, and what are your win/loss parameters? Ex. 100 shooters, 1,000 throws, 4 hours ? and what are your expected range of outcomes?

These are good questions.

At the risk of sounding arrogant, samples, expected range of outcomes, etc. are N/A. When it comes to dice control, REAL dice control, you either have the goods or you don't.

I'm not talking about achieving an SRR of slightly higher than six, here. I'm talking about being able to control, not influence, the results of your rolls.

Here in Vancouver, the casinos really don't seem to care whether or not both dice hit the back wall each time you throw. The lax regulations allow me to employ a personalized type of,"whipshot", enabling me to throw with a very high degree of certainty any one number (on one die) of my choosing.

Under the right conditions, used appropriately, you just don't lose.

Originally Posted by pitty1

Got a goood 6&8 system? thanks

Yes. I put $100 on the hard eight and throw it.

I live in Vancouver. Can you put on a demonstration some time? another

Sevenshooter,

Are you trying to throw a specific number, or are you throwing so a seven does not come up?

Does anyone else want to see a separate forum on craps?
It could be called "the next shooter".
Many of the progressions and money management ideas are worth looking at, ex Oscars Grind, since they may fit baccarat.

Dice control is something I would like to hear more about.

What do you guys think? The administrator would listen.

Isn't there already a few pretty good dice control web sites (Heavy's Wrong Way Craps Board and Axis Power Craps) available to those who are practitioners of dice control? That seems to be their respective forte.

I've got nothing against having a section for it here but perhaps it may have a much larger following over there?

Who knows? Perhaps some of the baccarat players may eventually get hooked on craps if we get a section for it here!!

AD

OK AD. You convinced me.
More than enough day dreamers and scammers over there.

Heck, a dice control area might be just what we need here.

Go for it!

AD

So let me understand this.
I buy a regulation size crap table.
Put it in my finished basement, next to the pool table and bar.
Stand at one end and throw the dice.
I record the result. Then walk to the other end of the table, pick up the dice and repeat the process, oh lets say 25,000 times to get a first sample.

How long does this take?. What do I tell my family while I am doing this.
This is when I am not in the casino, or learning poker on the computer.

Heaven help me if the IRS ever audits me and wants to see this home office I write off every year.

Here is an idea. I could also buy a blackjack table and rent out my house to people who want to run a casino night for their organization.

Sorry Sevenshooter, in the US I have never seen a casino that didn't require the dice to hit the back wall. Oh, the tables also have rubber points at the end, to make the dice even more random. Even the downtown Las Vegas casinos do this, and they have all installed the longer tables.

Funny about stats like SRR, I can't. get away from the numbers.
Not if I am going to risk serious money.

Intersting that scam artist Scoblette is smart enough to avoid charges of misrepresentation and fraud because he never gives performance statistics. He does a big discaimer. Gets by with testimonials and
endorsements from unknow shills.

Hi sevenshooter....Do u place the dice in a certain way.. I mean like snakeyes up before the toss? thanks

Originally Posted by pitty1

Hi sevenshooter....Do u place the dice in a certain way.. I mean like snakeyes up before the toss? thanks

If the shooter can control the outcome of one die most of the time, then one of the most profitable moves would be to wager one unit on the hard 6 or 8. Assuming the shooter was attempting a hard eight, then he would set the dice with both fours on top, stacked. This would give the shooter even odds at a 9-1 pay-out.

One could also lay odds against the points of 8, 9 and 10 and then seven-out using a snake-eyes stacked set.

As long as you make it look like you're trying to hit the back wall most of the time, the boxman won't give you a hard time when you don't make it all of the way across the table. At least this is how it is in Vancouver.

On a serious note, why aim for hardways with the large house edge.
Simply avoid throwing a seven.
If you could do that, play the don't and place or buy the point.

Ex. $100 don't pass. With a point of 6 or 8, make a $90 place bet on the point. Now you are guaranteed a profit.

For the other points, do a $100 place bet and you can't lose.

On the comeout, the 2 and 3 will more than offset the 11.

BTW If you haven't seen the movie "Yonkers Joe" with Chas Palmentari
you must get it. Wonderful flick. He was a dice controller of the old school variety.

Originally Posted by Profbac

On a serious note, why aim for hardways with the large house edge.
Simply avoid throwing a seven.
If you could do that, play the don't and place or buy the point.

Ex. $100 don't pass. With a point of 6 or 8, make a $90 place bet on the point. Now you are guaranteed a profit.

For the other points, do a $100 place bet and you can't lose.

On the comeout, the 2 and 3 will more than offset the 11.

True, but don't forget about the 6/36 comeout sevens: -$600

Plus, the H.A. of 11.11% on the hardways no longer applies when you can control one die: the odds of hitting is even-money and you get paid nine times your wager when you do.