Hello Forum... My Thoughts on Baccarat (baccman)

[Ellis]

An excellent post Profbac. I guess I missed quite a few important points.

It certainly isn't for everyone. There is also the easy come easy go syndrome. When you have a major win, everybody wants some like it fell from the sky. They certainly don't look at it the same way they look at your paycheck. But YOU do. Makes for a lot of bitter friends.

[Ellis]

Hello mr. Ellis thank you very much for your great information..

I believe that all... i am not pro but sounds right....

I have a question.. any thoughts on online live baccarat?

to me.. any online can be cheated.. but what is your thoughts on online live game?

well, if this is good then you don't have to deal with casino crazy stuff...

or i was thinking hiring people to play for you? have you done that?


well, thank you for your info

yeah teaching is good idea..... I teach myself so it is good.. it is not easy but it is more healthy i guess

well... you know... we have to understand that you learn from Poker Champion doesn't mean you are going to be next champion.... we have to understand... i think any gambling is the same.. it is just different... i guess there are more to it than just system.... And some skill is very hard to teach or maybe impossible to teach.. those call "instinct"

well, i think i have at least 10 years before i stop current job.. so i will take my time to learn more about this game.. and one day......

but this is crazy business. no doubt... like baccman said.. you kind have to watch other people's eyes.. like friends and relative they might show up at casino and you might lose your reputation... it can happen....

well, i think this is great thread so far....... everybody here has great comments... and looking more reality.... i think many gambler lose their truck..... i mean i am sure many other think why you even spend time at gambling forum.. .yes that is true... but i guess i am in half and half.. I like gambling but i don't play much anymore.. but i still look for some kind of dream.. but my mind is pretty much in real world.. which people think "Gambling is BAD" so i can think more straight, but I can also understand gambler's mind also......

so being here is pretty fun for me....

great thank you....

Well said Joker!

I think the jury is still out on live on line casinos. I can tell you this much. I've gotten hundreds of complaints on non live on line casinos. But I've never gotten a complaint about live on line casinos even though many of my players play them and beat them. AND get paid.

This doesn't prove anything but it certainly is a good sign.

[garnabby]

You are demonstrating my point very well Garnabby. Making up crap and trashing people and talking about things you know nothing about. Still not a single post about how to play or how to beat Baccarat which is what this forum is SUPPOSED to be about.

I've never been to that sight but I'm guessing its some scamming card counting site like all the other scamming card counting sites. The casinos defeated card counting 30 years ago when they introduced multiple decks and the cut off card for that very purpose. No card counter has had a winning year since then. It is a pure scam, however popular. Try it and you'll soon see for yourself. It's not hard at all. You could teach a baboon to do it.

But the mathematics of it is HIGHLY flawed. I could write pages and pages about the flaws of card counting. But duped players want it to work so bad that they overlook the flaws.

The preponderance of tens either favors the top half of the shoe or the bottom half. It's 50/50. When it favors the top half the counter loses because he doesn't bet because he has a negative count. So he loses that half of the shoes that he could have easily won by simply betting as the tens fell.

Or, let's say two decks in the counter has a +10 count. He increases his bet as he was taught. Those excess tens have exactly the same chance of being on the wrong side of the cut off card as being on the right side. He based his high bet on thin air. Now suppose the count goes to +13 so the counter lost his high bet. Now he's got an even better count and he's down so he increases his bet. The count goes to +16 and he loses again and makes an even higher bet. The count goes to 20 so he loses and the cut off card shows. The counter just bet a 3 bet progression which they teach a player should never do. But then they teach him to do it and call it something else.

So now he's down about 6 units wondering what went wrong just as counters do all the time. Such is the life of a card counter. Even their very best player Kenny Uston quit the game in disgust when he finally figured out that card counting no longer works. Yet unscrupulous scammers still teach it.

But be my guest. Go try it. Put your degree to use. Try to prove me wrong. Just don't say you weren't warned. That's your whole problem Garnabby - you have no idea who the scammers are. Some expert you are! You don't know a damned thing about it, ANY of it. You think that just because you can't win that nobody can. You think that all winners are liars. Not everyone is as stupid as you are Garnabby. Now go put in another good word for the scammers. That's what you do best.

I have better things to do, Ellis... the unsuspecting have been warned, over and over; and you, yourself, will never learn.

[John1234]

I have better things to do, Ellis

hahhahahahahahahah..Ellis did you hear that? he said he has better things to do. that's funny.

[Joker]

hell mr. Ellis and Proback and John...

thank you for great comments again...

if live online casino is good to go then it might be good news.. you can work from house.. but at this point US players can't do it though...

well, back to subject.. yes. this can be very very dangerous business to go in... not only lose your money but you can lose your life as well....

so Probac and mr Ellis i have great respect for you did that for living....

As you said.. there are so many things are going outside of game.. i mean.. people, or smoking or pit boss, camera, food, women.. all the distruction there....

people talk about sefl control a lot, but i would say that is most difficult thing.. just like beautiful women asking you out and you have to continue to reject.... just like leaving casino with losing...... worst feeling.. but you don't know how to do this.. then forget it.... in real life is different.. it is good to spend lots of time to figure out the problem you can't solve... i guess many have this type of instinct.. just can't accept losing then in casino.. this can take your life away.. in real life.. it is good thing.
you see great scientist never sleep and work on problem.. but imagine you do that in casino.. you stay at casino until you get money back... you will lose your life...

losing is sucks.. but if you learn how to deal with losing then you will be okay.. i guess... becasue in casino you will never win all the time.... and many just can not accept that...

another thing is that I believe is that you lose less than winnig... like me.. if I lose 1 unit then go home.. if I win 5 unit then go home as well.. a lof of people are opposite.. they win small and lose huge......lol

again easier to say than done.. that's why i rarely play lol....

but i like to communicate people here and myabe one day we can all make from casino

[samjohnson]

if live online casino is good to go then it might be good news.. you can work from house.. but at this point US players can't do it though...

I know BetPhoenix and Bogart Casino are live and open to US players... dublinbet too? (not sure)... there's some in the baccarat casinos list

[John1234]

I know BetPhoenix and Bogart Casino are live and open to US players... dublinbet too? (not sure)... there's some in the baccarat casinos list

Dublin bet is not open to us over here in the US. But you are right about BP and Bogart. I play on BP with real money and I have never had a problem. But I don't put a lot on the site because I still have trust issues with them for the fact that they are in Costa Rica. Plus a BP game takes up too much time.

[baccman]

very good posts guys, minus the little quarrels between some of you guys. I do agree very much with Profbac. You do need a method that has been shown and proven to be consistent. And some of these methods are really simple. The thing is people get really upset or disapointed when they lose only a few hand to a method betting. They dont have any patience so they abandone the system/method. You got to know when to use a certain method, or when to not play. And for me, sometimes its better to just go with your instincts. Every shoe, is like a boxer. everyone has their own style or weakness/strengths. everytime a boxer faces a opponent, they don't expect to be fighting someone with same style as their last opponent.

Profbac- I dont really know why they barred my friend. But his units are 1-2k per bet. He doesnt sit at a table, but roams and make bets from table to table. He only bets on streaks, and apparently, he knows a trigger that works 70-75% of the time as he claimed, so he knows when it will most likely streak. He thinks it's also b/c he doesnt tip the dealers enough, so the dealers/pit people dont like him. As he claimed, the cashier once told him he need to report his winnings to the IRS, he refuse and they refuse to cash his chips. So he gave his chips to some of his other buddies to cash it for him. What he tells me is just what he says, i was never there when a pitboss or casino authority told him he cant play. I think he can still play, but he just tire of casino people giving him a hard time. More then likely, he probably just dont want any of us to tag along, b/c whe he wins, he usually gives anyone win or lose some money.

Joker- my units are 25-100 bucks. if i dont feel my 100% i only play 25 dollar units. when I am up pretty big, and feel confident, i raise my unit to 100. I usually only make 100 unit bets on streaks and chopps.

I went to the casino again yesterday, actually early this morning..1-2 a.m. I didn't feel my best, and losing on my previous trip, my confidence was a little down. So I only bring 8 units, 25 dollars. After 3 hours, I manage to win 12 units. Shoes were really choppy. I went to new shoe, and my instincts tells me, this shoe is going to try and trick everyone, it's going to be streaky. sure enough, it open up with 4 in a row. But since my confidence level was a little down, i only place 25 unit bets. small money is better than no money right.

as for when you see 6 in a row? it's really hard to say. as of lately, ive been seeing quite a few 6 in a rows, and doesn't go anymore than 6. I usually start aiming for a streak once it hits 3 in a row. There is a trigger, i wish i could tell you, but i have promise to keep it secret. But i think if you get your own decks of cards and practice, you can figure out what the trigger is. Perhaps anyone can. I'm not too worry about everyone knowing a winning method, and then casinos will banned baccarat. truth is, a lot of people out there are really good, and a lot of people, eventhough are great bettors, simply dont have the money management and discipline to keep their winnings.

thanks.

[garnabby]

hahhahahahahahahah..Ellis did you hear that? he said he has better things to do. that's funny.

What's really funny is you guys "peeing in empty pop-bottles"... and one fool complimenting another.

[garnabby]

I play on BP with real money and I have never had a problem.

Sure you do... $5?

Still waiting for johno to post up even $5,000. (He has no degree, driver's licence, concrete baccarat-system... or even the sense to know how ridiculous his other problems really appear.)

[John1234]

Sure you do... $5?

Still waiting for johno to post up even $5,000. (He has no degree, driver's licence, concrete baccarat-system... or even the sense to know how ridiculous his other problems really appear.)

yea of course $5. I play $50 at land casinos.

Still waiting for johno to post up even $5,000. (He has no degree, driver's licence, concrete baccarat-system... or even the sense to know how ridiculous his other problems really appear.)

[/QUOTE]

I don't think he'll be around for awhile to post that money for you. It is a long walk from the casino to his home.

[garnabby]

I wonder what $600,000 is in "yesterday's dollars", when times were better, and before the "crash"... when properly-invested money used to double every 7 years?

Say doubled 4 times over 28 years... would leave Ellis' big (fantasy) win at about $37,500. But have the betting limits changed that much? I don't think so.

Nor have the "nuts".

[Ellis]

Well it was a good thread for a while. Then Garnabby woke up. It's no wonder he's been kicked off so many forums. "Peeing in Pop bottles" ??? Is that some sort of Canadian thing? Or is Garnabby reverting back to 6 years old again?
Can't play, might as well fight.

[Ellis]

I wonder what $600,000 is in "yesterday's dollars", when times were better, and before the "crash"... when properly-invested money used to double every 7 years?

Say doubled 4 times over 28 years... would leave Ellis' big (fantasy) win at about $37,500. But have the betting limits changed that much? I don't think so.

Nor have the "nuts".

Actually we have an official inflation rate we use in this country. Your math is a little off. You are making me start to wonder about that math degree you showed us. Have you ever been able to put it to any good use?

[garnabby]

Well it was a good thread for a while. Then Garnabby woke up. It's no wonder he's been kicked off so many forums. "Peeing in Pop bottles" ??? Is that some sort of Canadian thing? Or is Garnabby reverting back to 6 years old again?
Can't play, might as well fight.

Ever notice that there's always one of the BTC-clowns "waking me up" first?

So... right, Ellis, if you can never produce any proof for your obvious lies anyway, then you may as well keep-up the propaganda.

[Ellis]

G, you wouldn't know proof if it fell on your head.

[garnabby]

G, you wouldn't know proof if it fell on your head.

It took you 45 minutes to come up with that?

[Ellis]

Ever notice that there's always one of the BTC-clowns "waking me up" first?

An outright bold faced lie as usual Garnabby. Check back and see. YOU were first. You are first to ruin every thread. Aren't you going to argue for your card counting scammers or are you ignorant in that game too. You've got the Math Degree. Use it.

[garnabby]

An outright bold faced lie as usual Garnabby. Check back and see. YOU were first. You are first to ruin every thread.

Ellis, i could claim that 2 + 2 were 5... and you would still "blow it".

[Joker]

hello there baccpro.. thanks for the post

yes trigger can be anything....

well, i was reading Bryan's thread and he does similar thing as you do ...

he waits the trigger and bet...

BBBBPBBBPB<<bet banker to come..... Actually I like to follow the streak as well....

guess it is safer... there is not 100% or even 90% trigger... actually...
otherwise we will be millionnare... if really 90% if should hit within 5 bets right? all we got to do is double up till win... but unfortuantely this not always the case.....

Yes... I like to follow something hot.... but even that this is not 100%

am i right?

[Ellis]

So John 1234, did all that mean you watched me play at some point?

And I made a mistake? Wouldn't be the first time.

Sometimes the quality of my play fluctuates with the bra size of the cocktail waitress.

On the other hand, when Garnabby watched me, I played inspired.

Next time, introduce yourself. AFTER the game is done.

[John1234]

So John 1234, did all that mean you watched me play at some point?

huh? I never saw you play.

[John1234]

I guess you never drove (owned) around in a 50k car.

There is no need for me to own a 50K car. I use my private jet

[Ellis]

huh? I never saw you play.

Then what is John talking about?

[John1234]

I think he is talking to garnabby

[Ellis]

Then what is John talking about?

Oh, I'm sorry. I read it again and John was talking about when Garnabby watched me play and said I was playing wrong according to Garnabby. Glad I was since I won over 80% of the hands. I wonder how I would have done playing Garnabby's way??? Oh. I forgot, he doesn't play.

[pautomotive]

Just want to thanks Baccman, Profac, Joker, and Ellis --- nice posts guys.

I agree, money management and self control are the key to winning.

To Ellis, I used to count card at BJ --- I agree with you completely. Although, the remaining deck is 10 rich, there's no guaranty you be getting those tens.

A few times while I was playing BJ (2 decks pitch), the count was +10
+, so I increased my bet to $2k (my average bet is $300). Guess what, the dealer ended up with 20 and I ended up with a hard 16. Other times, the player next to me ended up with 20... I lost both times.

Sure, sometimes I ended up with BJs and a 20s, but NOT consistently.

Anyway, thanks for your posts.

[Joker]

hey there Pauto. thanks for the post....

there is one guy said same thing after movie 21 came out...

he said it doesn't work like movie... he said just like you...even you get 20 dealer can hit 21....

and can lose lots of money... I am not favor of adding more money when getting lucky.... unless I am putting CASINO MONEY... not mine.. never... if it is my money i put very small amount....

I do like the trigger method... wait till right moment and bet.. that is sort of good idea..... again not 100%....

can have good day and bad day... and if you don't have time for casino then i think this method won't work......

[John1234]

That's why you couldn't afford to play a $20 minimum game last year.

Ellis, of course johnboy1234 hasn't seen you play, he can only afford to play on-line. Garn'Baby also couldn't join you at the table, as he was broke by this time.

Shit..you are an idiot. can you read? Would you like to fly over to the US go to AC and watch me play on the $50 tables? You dumb shit.

[ADulay]

There is no need for me to own a 50K car. I use my private jet

That's why you couldn't afford to play a $20 minimum game last year.

Uh, I believe he was being facetious. Kindly notice the little smiley face.

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