WARNING: Watch out for THEGOAL

[wallygator]

This is like a soap opera. But, it's got me interested. So, I live close to Foxwoods and would love to monitor this event. I will not wager a penny, nor play, just simply monitor everything so you guys can say who you are and do what you say you can. I'd post the results. I'm busy during this week, but can easily do Sat or Sun at anytime, 24 hours a day.

Let me know ...

[Archer]

first, i don't want to side with anybody.

But, if somebody mention that casinos will do anything to stop you from winning regularly, then, you need to read that again.

Same thing as what ellis claimed before that the pitboss is watching his play, betting $25 unit bet.


I been playing for the past 18 years, in which 15 years full time. Unless you tell me that casino in asia is more lenient than us, if going by what you guys claimed, i should be banned at least 10 years ago.

ditto!!!!!!!!!

[daytrader]

I dont think we need anyone to monitor us. I think we are trying to get it worked out either for this weekend or the next.

Trust me, I will post the truth, positive or negative. I can only hope that its positive because we both have vested interests and both can benefit handsomely....

Stay tuned......

[garnabby]

Personal experience can be an odd thing.

Eg, a visitor to the States happens to see a lot of pretty blonde girls in a week... what else is he going to tell his friends back home? That the States is full of them, right?

And over a longer time, so to will some persons (by chance) witness or be a party to more of the "... but they'll show you out the front door nowadays" stuff.

I was cheated at bj also in the States, but to a much-lesser extent than here in Canada... and not being a U.S. citizen, and one living in those jurisdictions, left me no (full) legal recourse there. I did however, successfully sue one here in Canada, as i wrote about in some earlier posts... so it can't be entirely my imagination, or that of others' who have more-factually documented their own events in the literature.

[garnabby]

I can only hope that its positive because we both have vested interests and both can benefit handsomely... .

Why is it that most players never allow for the casinos' good luck?

[pitty1]

So daytrader..Vested interest huh?.u see nothin wrong of "thegoals" PONZI scheme to bilk 200 k from someone (perhaps total retirement) under false pretense.. "thegoal" develops a false portfolio of investors using 10k he borrows from u to mislead (lie) in order to get the ball rolling.Make u feel good of such returns after he gets the ball rolling and the cleaning begins? Of a victim of such a common ponzi scheme(based on pure deception).. i think that 10 hr wait for ur buddy was not long enough for ur conscious to cleanse the greed out of ur system..free advice...5k BR on $250 bets is insufficient..A 1,2 progression?...do the math...or bring a crystal ball..

[daytrader]

So daytrader..Vested interest huh?.u see nothin wrong of "thegoals" PONZI scheme to bilk 200 k from someone (perhaps total retirement) under false pretense.. "thegoal" develops a false portfolio of investors using 10k he borrows from u to mislead (lie) in order to get the ball rolling.Make u feel good of such returns after he gets the ball rolling and the cleaning begins? Of a victim of such a common ponzi scheme(based on pure deception).. i think that 10 hr wait for ur buddy was not long enough for ur conscious to cleanse the greed out of ur system..free advice...10k aint enough BR to cover $250.00 1,2 progression...do the math...or bring a crystal ball..

You could very well be right.

[vbangle]

I think the jury is out on the goal. Asking to borrow 10k and stay at his house? The all too typical "family emergency", and after all that still wants a piece of daytrader. I call bullshit, its stacked tall and wide. End of discussion. Next.

[Thegoal]

Well,

Obviously I'm a criminal without evidence of any crime. In any case, paul (day trader) and I are going to meet at his local casino, and I will bring my usual bank roll, and he will bring his. He will make what I make (multiplied by the size of his wagers) and we will split his winnings 50/50. I won't get $10k from him for an investment program, and I will not "milk" anyone out of $200k for a ponzi scheme. lol.

Let paul or anyone I meet at the casinos post the experience. No one needs to monitor us, Paul is old enough to post an experience on his own.

[Thegoal]

So daytrader..Vested interest huh?.u see nothin wrong of "thegoals" PONZI scheme to bilk 200 k from someone (perhaps total retirement) under false pretense.. "thegoal" develops a false portfolio of investors using 10k he borrows from u to mislead (lie) in order to get the ball rolling.Make u feel good of such returns after he gets the ball rolling and the cleaning begins? Of a victim of such a common ponzi scheme(based on pure deception).. i think that 10 hr wait for ur buddy was not long enough for ur conscious to cleanse the greed out of ur system..free advice...5k BR on $250 bets is insufficient..A 1,2 progression?...do the math...or bring a crystal ball..

This post doesn't make any sense.

I am not getting anything up front. Or any money from day trader or anyone I partner up with until I make them money. Any money I get is performance based. How the hell can I run a ponzi with that setup?? lol I already said the $10k loan request was a test. Especially since I CLEARLY stated in the same pm to him, that him saying yes or no, had NO effect on us doing the baccarat thing. Period. I used a similar test on a person I INVESTED $25k in a year ago. It's how I do my business and I will not change.

Do the math? My man, I've been using a 10-20 unit bankroll for a while now and am up $13k++. I started using $250 to make $500 a day, and now use $500 to make $1000 a day. If I am lying? Then when paul and I go to his local casino, he will lose. If I am lying? Then the other individual who I met recently at foxwoods will post a negative experience. If I am lying? Then anyone I partner up with on dublin bet, will post a negative experience. Quit making assumptions and let the ACTUAL results speak for themselves. Make more sense?

By the way, the $200k I was talking about? I already received. Through a trade account, not into my actual hands. Meaning, I log into the account, place the trades, and I get paid commissions based on the profits I make. I don't have any access to the funds. Plenty of day traders will educate you on trader/investor setups like this. ....Ponzi?? lol

[Thegoal]

I think the jury is out on the goal. Asking to borrow 10k and stay at his house? The all too typical "family emergency", and after all that still wants a piece of daytrader. I call bullshit, its stacked tall and wide. End of discussion. Next.

So, I would assume my biggest enemy here is the lack of imagination within a hardened, cynical,and highly skeptical crowd? Is it totally impossible for a father of 2, with a very needy, paranoid, wife, to not have to rush back from the casino, being the only one who drives (wife is too scared to drive in new york city), to run an important, PERSONAL, family emergency, for a few hours....rush back to the casino (2.45 hours there, and 2.45 hours back).... and then run into a small collision (can happen to anyone)?

All of that is impossible? And I bet my text messaging scenario I detailed out above is impossible as well huh?

Oh, and it's impossible, that my not knowing paul that well, could bring up a little caution, since I do have a consistent winning system, to beat the casino (a place that does NOT like losing at ALL), .....it's very unlikely that I might want to screen him a bit? Before meeting with him, to show him that I can win? The being cautious part obviously works both ways...I'm just saying...none of this is possible right guys?

[Thegoal]

ditto!!!!!!!!!

Archer, if you win $1000 or more, consistently, every day, for a month or two, maybe even less time, if you don't keep under the radar, you will be most likely kicked out. Especially at foxwoods.

[pautomotive]

"Correct. Give me a call and let's set it up. We should make $10-$20k."

Daytrader, sorry for your trouble-- but "Hassan" sounded more like a scam artist. I read this forum, just like stock message boards to get some insights, to do my due diligence and buy/bet on stocks accordingly.

Many good posters here, IMHO Bryan is top of my list. I appreciate his help---and he's not selling me anything!

Just be careful, good luck on your next endeavor.

Cheers!

[Thegoal]

"Correct. Give me a call and let's set it up. We should make $10-$20k."

Daytrader, sorry for your trouble-- but "Hassan" sounded more like a scam artist. I read this forum, just like stock message boards to get some insights, to do my due diligence and buy/bet on stocks accordingly.

Many good posters here, IMHO Bryan is top of my list. I appreciate his help---and he's not selling me anything!

Just be careful, good luck on your next endeavor.

Cheers!

Of course yes, because I can scam someone by them setting up an account, for me to trade for them? I can scam them by some how making them "fake profits" and they send me "real commission" for it. Ah. And I can also scam them by them going to the casino with their own money and betting their own bets (following my bets) and they split their profits with me. Once again "Ah"....I wasn't aware those were scams.

Sorry for my misunderstanding. Oh by the way, it's spelled "hasaan". I'll make sure to misspell your name, when it's clearly spelled the correct way in the same post I'm replying to. lol

[Bryan]

Archer, if you win $1000 or more, consistently, every day, for a month or two, maybe even less time, if you don't keep under the radar, you will be most likely kicked out. Especially at foxwoods.

Frankly, this kind of statement make me laugh. Guys, what is $1k to the casino? Be reality, even if you win daily, it is only $30k monthly and if your casino can't afford to lose that figure, they better close shop.

Did I get banned after 18 years? LOL. And just to shut your mouth up, my daily winning is a lot more than your 1k.

[Thegoal]

Frankly, this kind of statement make me laugh. Guys, what is $1k to the casino? Be reality, even if you win daily, it is only $30k monthly and if your casino can't afford to lose that figure, they better close shop.

Did I get banned after 18 years? LOL. And just to shut your mouth up, my daily winning is a lot more than your 1k.

Ok, either you are lying about winning more than $1000 a day for 18 years, or, you are intentionally being ignorant and oblivious to facts to promote people who have a winning system to not practice trying to stay conservative and under the radar.

People have gotten banned for making $500 a day for a few months. Whether you want to believe it or not. Not banned from every casino they played at, but, eventually banned from each casino they frequented the most before learning how to stay under the radar.

[Bryan]

Ok, either you are lying about winning more than $1000 a day for 18 years, or, you are intentionally being ignorant and oblivious to facts to promote people who have a winning system to not practice trying to stay conservative and under the radar.

People have gotten banned for making $500 a day for a few months. Whether you want to believe it or not. Not banned from every casino they played at, but, eventually banned from each casino they frequented the most before learning how to stay under the radar.

Whether you are lying or I am lying, the facts are clearly out there for everyone to see.

For Profbac case, you think he is only winning 1k daily and got banned? Did you know why he is being interviewed and banned? You don't know, but I know. So, should I say you are too naive or should I say ignorant?

My main point here is casino won't ban you for winning 1k daily.

Definitely, my casino in Asia won't ban people for winning 1K daily, they are more than happy to see you return daily. They only ban people who cheat.

If the media is going to publish new such as "So and So Casino banned Bryan for winning 1k daily", very soon, nobody will patron them.

And I won't argue with you on this further. Period.

[pitty1]

Getting" banned" is another way to bait people to buy systems..Wow ur making toooo much money...500 a day..walking past red faced pit bosses....Why would they have 10k,25k 50k max bet tables at most well establlished casinos..Sound like they are the stupid ones to even allow large bets at tables if they are so worried about someone who wins every day..(BTW pretty much impossible)..On other hand.. soliciting penny stocks...u may be asked to leave the premises.

[Thegoal]

Getting" banned" is another way to bait people to buy systems..Wow ur making toooo much money...500 a day..walking past red faced pit bosses....Why would they have 10k,25k 50k max bet tables at most well establlished casinos..Sound like they are the stupid ones to even allow large bets at tables if they are so worried about someone who wins every day..(BTW pretty much impossible)..On other hand.. soliciting penny stocks...u may be asked to leave the premises.

Do you make stuff up on purpose?

I don't sell any systems. And I don't solicit penny stocks.

I don't make $500 a day either. So....? I'm kind of lost.

[Thegoal]

Whether you are lying or I am lying, the facts are clearly out there for everyone to see.

For Profbac case, you think he is only winning 1k daily and got banned? Did you know why he is being interviewed and banned? You don't know, but I know. So, should I say you are too naive or should I say ignorant?

My main point here is casino won't ban you for winning 1k daily.

Definitely, my casino in Asia won't ban people for winning 1K daily, they are more than happy to see you return daily. They only ban people who cheat.

If the media is going to publish new such as "So and So Casino banned Bryan for winning 1k daily", very soon, nobody will patron them.

And I won't argue with you on this further. Period.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just saying, we should teach people who have winning systems such as ours, ways to stay under the casinos radar. No harm in that is there? I'm sure the heat will be on if we make $1000-$2000-$10000 a day.

I personally knew a guy who got banned from two casinos, for winning $2000 a day for 3 months straight. That's no bs.

[Joker]

well, couple thing.... mr. thegoal may not have holly grail, but one thing bit bother me is that mr Ellis thought that his idea was pretty good.... so I somewhat think mr thegoal must know bit about baccarat.....

but this is my 100% stament for those who trying to pair up or trying to sell holy grail... they always say.. i got banned and i can't play...well... if I had holy grail.. then I am more than happy to use my family members to play instread of me.....

And also.. if you have consistent winnig system then you start with $10 can make up to $1 million dollars.. you don't have to start from $10,000

Well.. I quite gambling for while now... and actually first my gambling experience was just like this.. this person introduced me this professional baccarat plaer... and we played together.. well.. i didn't know anything about gambling at that time.. i brought 5k.... and i sat next him and he was pertty nice guy... well, guess what I lost all... well, i was so pissed but what can i do? it is my fault....

well.. i was bit shocked that his system wasn't the holy grail... i was have this "dream mind" still lol.... but was bit happy to find out there isn't one....

well, people be careful toward system seller and especially those who want to play game with you... the guy who lost my 5k.. does he give me anyback? no way... he even didn't tread me dinner lol.... sometimes life you have to learn in hard way....

oh by the way.... winning gambling.. i am pretty sure some can do it.. but I assume it isn't easy at all... I would beliece nothing is more stressful than not "Gurantee" pay check... if I work... I get pay check no matter what... and I love to see the face of cash.... 100% of time... casino doesn't do that...

well, this is gambling forum and i still love searching the system, but some of the people who put so much effort for the system.. i mean i did myself few years ago.... if you put that much effort to do something else.. i mean.. maybe you learn new skill so you can teach... language or math or science etc... or even gambling.. like Ellis does.. that is consistent money you know.....

and amount of money you lose at casino.. someoe people can get PHD lol....it pays the tuition.......

well, finally.... i realize that winning $200, $500 or even $10,000 isn't really mean much... i mean you can't live without work forever... usually people come back and lose that money anyway.... that's why i stopped.. why do i need to risk $500 to get $200? and even I win i will lose next time anyway....i think this 50/50 chance make people think it is easy to win....

good thing nobody got hurt physically or stolen the money

[Archer]

well, couple thing.... mr. thegoal may not have holly grail, but one thing bit bother me is that mr Ellis thought that his idea was pretty good....

LOL. Mr. Ellis always does that. He had no idea about the method but was just sucking up to get the method from him. If you notice anyone who has some trend method with a good BS story Ellis tries to invite him in his group. Then he'll say, "Oh yeah, I tried that 20 years ago." Pffff - pitiful!

But sorry for your loss.

Archer

[vbangle]

So its been a week, you a rich baccarat tycoon yet daytrader? Or has TheGoal blown you off?

[Thegoal]

So its been a week, you a rich baccarat tycoon yet daytrader? Or has TheGoal blown you off?

You have it out for me huh? lol

Day trader and I haven't hooked up yet, but we will. We're still making time for what's best for both of us.

But, tell you what...vbangle, why don't you come on dublinbet and let me show you the system works. No charge, you can open a free account, same as real on there. Or do you prefer to continue to do this?

[garnabby]

As Archer wrote over a year ago, paraphrased, "One can't believe every one else is scamming while at the same time one is still looking for a winner."

[Joker]

mr thegoal.. you should just might as well sell your system....

or you can travel world to play baccarat.. maybe win $5000 each casino and never come back... and if you beat all the casino then you will be millionare.. i don't think casino give you hard time for winning $5000....

mr thegoal i have a question.. if I invest money and you play.. and if you lose.. then that's it? i won't get money back right?

goodluck

[Thegoal]

mr thegoal.. you should just might as well sell your system....

or you can travel world to play baccarat.. maybe win $5000 each casino and never come back... and if you beat all the casino then you will be millionare.. i don't think casino give you hard time for winning $5000....

mr thegoal i have a question.. if I invest money and you play.. and if you lose.. then that's it? i won't get money back right?

goodluck

Eventually possibly. What better system to buy than one you get shown works right in front of your face?

And yes of course! The system won't lose, BUT, if that is the case, of course I'd pay the money back.

[vbangle]

So its been a week, you a rich baccarat tycoon yet daytrader? Or has TheGoal blown you off?

Yet another week has past. Maybe daytrader told the goal to f off? Daytrader please fill us in on the latest.

[daytrader]

We have played 2 shoes on dublinbet and the 1st shoe he made 3 units, the 2nd shoe he lost (not exactly sure how much). For 2 shoes, we're out money............

[steve6969]

We have played 2 shoes on dublinbet and the 1st shoe he made 3 units, the 2nd shoe he lost (not exactly sure how much). For 2 shoes, we're out money............

man what a waste of time daytrader just stop , dealing with this guy from day one even what he put you through what a damm liar