Thread: Pitty Patterns

Hi, been quite a task trying to crack the GTG MGM..Alway been a skeptic with fixed betting templates..but this dude kinda changed my mind about that..who knows? Anyhow due to time constraints ..hope if somebodys got the grids from him to share for testing ..could be the" mother lode"..Well thought i share some personal research on the subject..come up with these patterns to play after each four P/B pattern..
PPBP...play BPBP
PBPB...play BPBB
PBPP...play PBPB
PBBP...play PPPB
PBBB...play PBBB
BPBP...play BPPP
BPBB...play PPPB
BBBP...play PBBP
BPPB...play BBBB
BBPP...play PBPB
BPPP...play PBPB
I left out four B's or P's intentionally..just up in the air on that..last nite ..2 different shoes came up with 11 p streak and a 9 B streak.(just stay out if ur not riding it)
heres another shoe last night and see how pattern plays..I'm sure i would not play a full shoe like this yet until i have a decent 4streak loss recovery in place.
BPBB...play PPPB...hands..PPPP...won 1st bet
BPPB...play BBBB... hands..BPPB...won 1st bet
PPBB...skip..don't have a pattern for it yet
PBBB...play PBBB... hands..PBPP..won 1st bet
BPBP...play BPPP...hands..BPPB...won 1st bet
PBPB...play BPBB...hands..BBPP...won 1st bet
Our good buddy Nick "the Greek" was quoted"Remember,the house
doesn't beat the player.It merely gives him the opportunity to beat himself."

Originally Posted by pitty1

Hi, been quite a task trying to crack the GTG MGM..Alway been a skeptic with fixed betting templates..but this dude kinda changed my mind about that..who knows? Anyhow due to time constraints ..hope if somebodys got the grids from him to share for testing ..could be the" mother lode"..Well thought i share some personal research on the subject..come up with these patterns to play after each four P/B pattern..
PPBP...play BPBP
PBPB...play BPBB
PBPP...play PBPB
PBBP...play PPPB
PBBB...play PBBB
BPBP...play BPPP
BPBB...play PPPB
BBBP...play PBBP
BPPB...play BBBB
BBPP...play PBPB
BPPP...play PBPB
I left out four B's or P's intentionally..just up in the air on that..last nite ..2 different shoes came up with 11 p streak and a 9 B streak.(just stay out if ur not riding it)
heres another shoe last night and see how pattern plays..I'm sure i would not play a full shoe like this yet until i have a decent 4streak loss recovery in place.
BPBB...play PPPB...hands..PPPP...won 1st bet
BPPB...play BBBB... hands..BPPB...won 1st bet
PPBB...skip..don't have a pattern for it yet
PBBB...play PBBB... hands..PBPP..won 1st bet
BPBP...play BPPP...hands..BPPB...won 1st bet
PBPB...play BPBB...hands..BBPP...won 1st bet
Our good buddy Nick "the Greek" was quoted"Remember,the house
doesn't beat the player.It merely gives him the opportunity to beat himself."

That was an interesting twist, huh? Kind of like picking certain patterns (no matter how long) and betting in some fashion that they will NOT repeat.

I liked the concept but frankly I couldn't figure the logic out myself so I haven't messed with it. Can't study everything!

But good work! If I recall somehow he related all this to the "averages" of a shoe.

A

Yep..maybe he'll come back sometime and drop a line...Meanwhile tinkering with the same concept i checked the pitty patterns with tnites B&M shoe..
BPPB..play on BBBB...hands delt...PBPP...won 2nd bet.
PBPP..play on PBPB...hands delt...PPBP...won 1st bet.
PPPB..no pattern to play on...skip
PBBP..play on PPPB...hands delt...PBBB...won 1st bet.
PPPB..no pattern avail...skip.
BPBB..play on PPPB...hands delt PBBB....won 1st bet.
BBBP..play on PBBP...hands delt BBBB...won 2nd bet

tnites B&M results..(threw these patterns in to play to grind out losses)
PBBP..loss Dbl..played pattern PPPB..hands delt..BPPB...won 2nd bet
PPBP..won Dbl on 2nd bet.
BPPP..won DBL on 2nd bet.
PBBP..loss Dbl...playd pattern PPPB...hands delt..PPBP..won 1st bet
BBBP...won Dbl on 1st bet
PPPB...won Dbl on 1st bet
BBBB...won DbL on 1st bet
PPBB...loss Dbl..don't have pattern..follow with Dbl zz..delt BPBP..won 1st bet
PPPB...won Dbl on 1st bet
PBPB..won Dbl on 1st bet
BBBP...won Dbl 1st bet
BBBB...won Dbl 1st bet
Pretty easy shoe.I mean that it was rather consistent with no serious challenge to my BR..Don't know how much i won.. found a hole in my pocket.. no tellin how many chips dribbled out while standing around..(no wonder i was so popular)..

Pitty;

On a win, do you use the last four decisions for the next bet or wait for four new decisions.

Bud

Hi bud..Yes i will wait for 4 hands to be delt...See if i can find a match...then bet on the 4 pattern to play.. heres some new results live shoe ..8 deck auto shuffle
BBPB...don't have a pattern yet..next 4
BPPB...bet for a BBBB...hands delt PBPB..won on 2nd bet...Won on second bet... stop betting.. but let it run out 4 decisions..then start over again...next 4 are
PPPB..sorry no pattern for this one yet ..next 4
PPBP...bet for a BPBP pattern...hands delt..PBBB...won 3rd bet... next 4
PPPB..sorry no pattern yet...next 4
PPBP..bet for a BPBP pattern...hands delt..BBPB...won 1st bet...next 4
PPBB...bet for a PBPB pattern...hands delt BBPB...won 2nd bet..next 4
BBBP...bet for a PBBP...hands delt..BBBP...won 2nd bet...
Small victory but a wins a win..I'm testing to use as a roadblock recovery bet on Dbl loss..same shoe... dbl and pattern included
BBPB...won 2nd bet
BPPB...a loss..throw in a pattern here to bet on...a BBBB..delt PBPB won 2nd bet.
PBPB...won 1st bet
PPPB...won 1st bet
PPBP...won 2nd bet
PBBB...won 2nd bet
PPPB...won 1st bet
PPBP...won 2nd bet
BBPB...won 2nd bet
PPBB...a loss..play pattern PBPB...hands delt BBPB...won 2nd bet
BBBP...won 1st bet
BBBP...won 1st bet
PPPB...won first bet.
More testing required...i like to test live..pick up a few chips while researchin...

When you when, why not use the last 4 plays as your pattern? What's the difference?

Hi ellis...tried that.. and came up with more loss in a shoe..My reason of creating the patterns above are also based on Grab The Gold guys research..regarding changes and creating patterns for this reason..also tried a follow,follow,opposite opposite...and that did not work out well.

Thanks for the info. Strangely I once used a similar approach using patterns of 3 instead of 4 and when I tried the same short cut it also just did bot behave as well. Don't know why. That's Baccarat!

what betting system u use ; 1248 , 1137 , 13715

pitty patterns was tried out for several hours at genting sentosa singapore'
The longest play wrong was 3 times using a mini martingale of 1-2-4.
Do you ignore the ties?
BBBP response was not in your original thread.
The patterns seem to work because of a deviation from the mean-needs more testing.
Thanks for the post pitty1

pitty patterns-I am curious as to what response you used for BBBB and PPPB which you used on 3/10/10 mentioned in your play that day.

Hi ckeng..my personal progression style is 1,3,5,7..if event is going south i'll downsize to a 1,1,2,2, Bottom line...control risk in order to win...

Hi tiger...The BBBP is post and to respond with a PBBP..(very common pattern)..On ties i do ignore..but if all the players switch bets..i'll go back and see if i'm missing on something obvious.
I left out the pattern BBBB,PPPP intentionally for streak potentials..and i never bet against one..but they are ripe for a change..The PPPB..don't know yet..

Research "Grab the Gold" (in archives)on pattern grids..He come up with some good rules..and spent like a million hours on template(grid) building..U will see he uses a 5 pattern string and created 3 grids(templates) based on flow of outcomes..neutral,chop,streak shoes..without knowing his result grid(MGM) it will be difficult to choose the best combinations to bet on. I'm just tryin to develop a decent mechanical way with a 4 pattern for easy tracking and also to throw those patterns in if i get stumped on a losing streak. Glad to hear the decent results ur having with live shoes.. im heading up to the casino tday and will see if i can get a win...thanks

hey Pitty,
what do you do when ties come up

does anybody know what to do if ties come in the middle of your betting run

Thanks pitty1.
It worked all right until several ties disrupted the patterns.
The longest streak was 7

Pitty

can you post all the possible 4 hand combo`s and the play that matches it

Thanks

Gerard

Originally Posted by pitty1

Hi ckeng..my personal progression style is 1,3,5,7..if event is going south i'll downsize to a 1,1,2,2, Bottom line...control risk in order to win...

Hi tiger...The BBBP is post and to respond with a PBBP..(very common pattern)..On ties i do ignore..but if all the players switch bets..i'll go back and see if i'm missing on something obvious.
I left out the pattern BBBB,PPPP intentionally for streak potentials..and i never bet against one..but they are ripe for a change..The PPPB..don't know yet..

Research "Grab the Gold" (in archives)on pattern grids..He come up with some good rules..and spent like a million hours on template(grid) building..U will see he uses a 5 pattern string and created 3 grids(templates) based on flow of outcomes..neutral,chop,streak shoes..without knowing his result grid(MGM) it will be difficult to choose the best combinations to bet on. I'm just tryin to develop a decent mechanical way with a 4 pattern for easy tracking and also to throw those patterns in if i get stumped on a losing streak. Glad to hear the decent results ur having with live shoes.. im heading up to the casino tday and will see if i can get a win...thanks

Hi pitty, i tried your pattern today at genting result is i won 12 hands (15 units) and lose 1 hand (-26 units using 1,3,7,15) and skip so many patterns within 2 shoes . it really takes a lot of patient indeed. for me i played round all the tables , i would said 70% rules 30% luck.
How to over come my loses ( max win +4 units & loss -26 units) i hv tried 1,2,4,8....1,1,3,7.....1,3,7,15.....1,2,5,10 after 1 loss i hv to win about 15 hands and above to recover.
my pattern ... find a table that occurs two same pattern and bet against them ...
ie:-
ppbp , pppb , bbbb , ppbb , pppb
next i will bet bbbp

Originally Posted by pitty1

tnites B&M results..(threw these patterns in to play to grind out losses)
PBBP..loss Dbl..played pattern PPPB..hands delt..BPPB...won 2nd bet
PPBP..won Dbl on 2nd bet.
BPPP..won DBL on 2nd bet.
PBBP..loss Dbl...playd pattern PPPB...hands delt..PPBP..won 1st bet
BBBP...won Dbl on 1st bet
PPPB...won Dbl on 1st bet
BBBB...won DbL on 1st bet
PPBB...loss Dbl..don't have pattern..follow with Dbl zz..delt BPBP..won 1st bet
PPPB...won Dbl on 1st bet
PBPB..won Dbl on 1st bet
BBBP...won Dbl 1st bet
BBBB...won Dbl 1st bet
Pretty easy shoe.I mean that it was rather consistent with no serious challenge to my BR..Don't know how much i won.. found a hole in my pocket.. no tellin how many chips dribbled out while standing around..(no wonder i was so popular)..

hi, what is won dbl & loss dbl zz & bbbb pattern has no pattern

Hi playerrun...ignore ties for now.
Hi ckeng..My testing did not include table hopping..I tracked thru single shoes only..just a feeling playing multiple shoes would allow more variations not to be in favor.I do like ur ideal of 2 same patterns coming up and play against them.. i look for that tnite.. My MM at this time is to always play with controlled risk..I like to test live..A chance to get paid while testing as well as a drink and checking out the chicks..
Ur question on last post"what is won DBL? won=$$$$...DBL means decision before last..what this means? look how i use the 4 pattern example..PPBP
the first hand is a P what is decision before the last one here..nothing...next decision..a P..what was the the decision before ur last hand? a P..u bet P..here it lost with a B..what was the decision before the B? a P..make bet on P..here a win..This is what they call DBL betting.. What I post show how i throw in pitty patterns after a 2 DBL loss .I play this same way last nite..heres how it played out..

BPBB... I win with my first DBL bet
BPBB...i win with my first DBL bet( hey ckeng here 2 same patterns come up)
BPBB...i win with my first DBL bet ( oops..a 3peat of same pattern come up)
BPPB..lost both DBL bets..
this loss is my trigger to play a pattern..with BPPB i'll bet for a BBBB pattern.
BPPB...win on first bet..(hey ckeng..another paired pattern)
PBPB..i win my 1st DBL bet.(and a win Ckeng way)
PBBB..i win my 2nd DBL bet
BPBP...win 1st DBL bet
BPPB..loss both DBL bets..a trigger to play a pattern..BPPB = play BBBB
PBPP...won 2nd bet.. if the pattern wins..i go back to DBL betting.
BBBB...won 1st DBL bet
PPBB..i lost both DBL bets..and i don't have a pattern play on this one yet..i'll play the next 4 as DBL betting.
PBPB won 1st DBL bet.
The PPBB pattern gives me hell on what to play next and doing more testing on a decent pattern to play when this comes up.

Hi Gerad711.hope this example clarifies what i'm getting at for a betting strategy..I'm cutting this short and heading to the casino to test...and drink..and stare..good luck to all.

hi brother , what differ dbl with old,ftl

Originally Posted by pitty1

Hi playerrun...ignore ties for now.
Hi ckeng..My testing did not include table hopping..I tracked thru single shoes only..just a feeling playing multiple shoes would allow more variations not to be in favor.I do like ur ideal of 2 same patterns coming up and play against them.. i look for that tnite.. My MM at this time is to always play with controlled risk..I like to test live..A chance to get paid while testing as well as a drink and checking out the chicks..
Ur question on last post"what is won DBL? won=$$$$...DBL means decision before last..what this means? look how i use the 4 pattern example..PPBP
the first hand is a P what is decision before the last one here..nothing...next decision..a P..what was the the decision before ur last hand? a P..u bet P..here it lost with a B..what was the decision before the B? a P..make bet on P..here a win..This is what they call DBL betting.. What I post show how i throw in pitty patterns after a 2 DBL loss .I play this same way last nite..heres how it played out..

BPBB... I win with my first DBL bet
BPBB...i win with my first DBL bet( hey ckeng here 2 same patterns come up)
BPBB...i win with my first DBL bet ( oops..a 3peat of same pattern come up)
BPPB..lost both DBL bets..
this loss is my trigger to play a pattern..with BPPB i'll bet for a BBBB pattern.
BPPB...win on first bet..(hey ckeng..another paired pattern)
PBPB..i win my 1st DBL bet.(and a win Ckeng way)
PBBB..i win my 2nd DBL bet
BPBP...win 1st DBL bet
BPPB..loss both DBL bets..a trigger to play a pattern..BPPB = play BBBB
PBPP...won 2nd bet.. if the pattern wins..i go back to DBL betting.
BBBB...won 1st DBL bet
PPBB..i lost both DBL bets..and i don't have a pattern play on this one yet..i'll play the next 4 as DBL betting.
PBPB won 1st DBL bet.
The PPBB pattern gives me hell on what to play next and doing more testing on a decent pattern to play when this comes up.

Hi Gerad711.hope this example clarifies what i'm getting at for a betting strategy..I'm cutting this short and heading to the casino to test...and drink..and stare..good luck to all.

hi pitty, the weakness dbl is bbpp , ppbb , bppb , pbbp this 4 pattern will kill u out of 16 combination . odd is 4:1 . mine strategy is 10:1 because u already skip 2 out of maybe 3 of less loses in 1 shoe ( but take time to find table)
any other than dbl is there any more method?

do u beleive 1 shoe can happen 7:3 ie 28B/12P . if happen go for player , if u comfirm that the remaining hands majority will be player

hi john..pretty much my MM is take a grand to the table and try not to lose it.If not in a positive progression advantage..i'll go 1,3,5,7,for starters and go from there. U mention as well as ckeng there is weakness with only a DBL strategy..Damn right but..many shoes u can ride out a good streak of DBL bets winning on 1st or 2nd bet by tracking them in a 4 column way(i call the basics).a couple of weeks ago i got 10 straight wins from a shoe... most on the first bet..but u don't want the 4 straight loss drain ur profits.( and it will if u let it.) While tinkering with GTG template ideal it got me thinking to mix an ideal like this into play when u miss ur 2 dbl bets..if that can some how recover or minimize the loss to protect such 1st or 2nd bet wins.last nite..i figure to counter the PPBB pattern with a PPBB when they occur. last nite i would say this was a more challenging shoe..just a bunch of low numbers man..and three 0 ties..wired..
BBPP..loss..i played PBPB pattern
PPBP..won 1st bet
PPBB...loss..play PPBB pattern
BPPB..won 2nd bet
BPPP..won 2nd bet
PPBB...loss.. play PPBB pattern
BPBP..won 2nd bet
PPBP..won 2nd bet
PBPP..won 1st bet
PPPB..won 1st bet
BBBP...won 1st bet
PPBP...won 2nd bet.
As u can see inserting some pattern template into a basic so called DBL bets along with creating and tracking ur bets with a 4 colmn approach..it seems to buffer weak runs and johns 3x3's nemesis..
Not screaming a mother load system here..but more of a coach yelling stick with the basics..And yes there are other combination that can be applied here other than a standard DBL bet..Thanks john for ur combo betting methods u post..CKeng..yes i do not narrow out other opportunities.kinda like to split a shoe in 4 quarters..15 hands per..first i like to exploit a streak possibility at the beginning of a shoe..they do happen
(for some reason more on weekends).In the middle of shoe.I'll also track the high rollers..the regulars who win or lose 5k a day..on a good night.. they make it look like a piece of cake.I'll also hedge opposite on dragon bonus when playin dbl's always a nice surprise now and then..and 28bankers/12 players..yes it's amazin how a majority of shoes like this evens out in the end..Don't get me wrong ..i don't win all the time...have pitty on me..just hope to chisel out a confident system..thanks

Hi pitty1,
According to grab the gold shoes statistics OBL should capture 25% of the hands.
2 of a kind also captures 25% of the hands.
3, 4 ,5, 6-20 of a kind captures the rest of the hands.
Your method tries to capture as many hands as possible.
A doctor uses his experience and what he reads from reliable journals and elimination tests to come to a diagnosis.What is undiagnosible is called idiopathic.
Just as you cannot be a doctor without experience you cannot predict outcomes in baccarat without playing the game.
What pitty1 is trying to do is to be right more often than being wrong and he should be praised for trying so hard to find the holy grail if it exists.
JUST DO It is a zen practice adopted by NIKE shoes.
Keep at it pitty1.

Hi Pitty,

Looks like you are an expert in this area. I just start to learn about bacarrat.

Are there any advise for me?

Thanks tiger ...john..Yep were all in the same boat...
Anwar..can't consider myself as an expert or i would be playin high stakes 24/7..but always believe with constant playing...u will instinctively develop a more sound and hopefully profitable decisions..The only advice i can add is do not vomit at the bac table..U won't get banned but u will get noticed..man i am so sick.. Thanks.

Hi Pitty,

I still do not understand with dbl (decision before last). Could you please explain once again.
What is the different between
"PPBP..won Dbl on 2nd bet." and "PPBP..won 1st bet"

Hi anwar...The" PPBP.. won DBl on 2nd bet" ...used 2 (decision before last).bets
as u see it lost the 1st bet but win the 2nd bet''..breaking it down a little more... look at it the PPBP..PP now u can bet DBL 2 times and try to get a repeat based on the two previous hands delt.
The other pattern u post was a PPBP..won 1st bet..this win based on applying a predetermined pattern suggested.and not by DBL betting.
Please read the post john made the last couple of days regarding 4 column betting options..Gives a good evaluation of what ur playing with here..who know being a little more creative...mixing it up with some TBL,OTBL,FLD,OLD most certainly will lead u to a advantage situation at times while at a table.

what is DBL??