The game has been beat...

[Ellis]

No wonder he was scrambling for money, anybody's.

[mattman]

No wonder he was scrambling for money, anybody's.

Yeah. Figured you could relate.

[Ellis]

I don't teach for money. I have my own income. BTC pays me less than mimimum wage. It is just a hobby.

My books made good money back in those days. I get paid $445 per copy of NBJ sold. So far it has sold just under 10,000 copies. Do the math. But my first Baccarat book made me $667,000 in the first two weeks of sales. I've written 13 gaming books but NBJ alone had more sales than all other gaming books in the world put together.

[soxfan]

I don't teach for money. I have my own income. BTC pays me less than mimimum wage. It is just a hobby.

My books made good money back in those days. I get paid $445 per copy of NBJ sold. So far it has sold just under 10,000 copies. Do the math. But my first Baccarat book made me $667,000 in the first two weeks of sales. I've written 13 gaming books but NBJ alone had more sales than all other gaming books in the world put together.

Arrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh, I'm dyin over here, hey hey!

[Ellis]

Nothing you couldn't do yourself if you put your mind to it. The hardest part was collecting all the necessary data. I used actual casino data. I found it differed greatly from the data already out there. For instance, recording thousands of perfect Basic Strategy doubledown bets in casino I found the player actually loses money overall. NBJ is about what really happens in a BJ game and what to do about it. Nothing in it is based on opinion. It is pure Atlantic City fact. In both BJ and Baccarat, players are very hungry for pure fact with all the BS boiled out. Players who want to win that is. Oh, and BTW, I never got a single return in spite of an unconditional money back guarantee - even though the IRS compelled me to escrow 45% of sales to cover future returns. And BTW state and federal taxes totaled 52% of profits in those days at that income level. Today, I wouldn't pay ANY. That is why this country is broke.

[Ellis]

And then lol comes along who thinks he knows me. Ha. His entire intelligence is based on hearsay and movies. Mine is based on real life. Take your pick.

[Egalite]

So what Baccarat books have you had published? $445 per copy for NBJ is amazing, that means the sale price would have had to have been well over $500 per copy, never heard of any Blackjack book being sold for such a price.

[Therapy101]

So what Baccarat books have you had published? $445 per copy for NBJ is amazing, that means the sale price would have had to have been well over $500 per copy, never heard of any Blackjack book being sold for such a price.

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[DiMenosCor]

No wonder he was scrambling for money, anybody's.

Now looking back at Hassan's posts, he does have very valid points and his views on baccarat is dead on in a few cases. Very dead on.

As for the rest of his scamming, it is just so unfortunate.

If he had the integrity and honesty.....

At least a few people saw through the bullshit and didn't partake. Yet can't say the same of the few in here who offered these free systems and folks stupid enough to actually wagered money with them.

[mattman]

Now looking back at Hassan's posts, he does have very valid points and his views on baccarat is dead on in a few cases. Very dead on.

As for the rest of his scamming, it is just so unfortunate.

If he had the integrity and honesty.....

But that's just it Dimenos- you know he must have had some sales, and probably success scamming people because of that very reason- if you listen to him, some of his
posts have this uncanny ring of authenticity to them, even to guys like us who know better- think of what it did to those that didn't.

[punvit]

Yet can't say the same of the few in here who offered these free systems and folks stupid enough to actually wagered money with them.

Couldn't agree more on this.

People have the rights and choices to make, they're truly have to learn it the hard way.

[DiMenosCor]

But that's just it Dimenos- you know he must have had some sales, and probably success scamming people because of that very reason- if you listen to him, some of his
posts have this uncanny ring of authenticity to them, even to guys like us who know better- think of what it did to those that didn't.

His comments of using other than Ps and Bs to record a shoe, that each part of a shoe is different and has its own identity and using flat betting. Those I have to agree with.

As for the rest especially that Foxwoods fiasco and that refund debacle raise major red flags I am sure not just with me. Plus he is a strong proponent of flat betting so he shouldn't be going around asking to partner up and all that other convoluted nonsense that you know is bullshit miles away.

[DiMenosCor]

Couldn't agree more on this.

People have the rights and choices to make, they're truly have to learn it the hard way.

That guy who used eirescott's Cancellation whatever and lost 15K. I hope that is the only victim since ALL of Scotty's systems are unproven and untested by him personally with REAL money.

Just couldn't believe someone would actually wagered especially 15Gs!

They all have the right and free will but come on now, there has to be common sense too. He didn't do his full due diligence and jumped in without testing the waters first or he has been lied to.

"Learning the hard way"..... that is one expensive lesson then. The School of Hard Knocks has no price tag. You decide how much you want to pay.

[punvit]

That guy who used eirescott's Cancellation whatever and lost 15K. I hope that is the only victim since ALL of Scotty's systems are unproven and untested by him personally with REAL money.

Just couldn't believe someone would actually wagered especially 15Gs!

They all have the right and free will but come on now, there has to be common sense too. He didn't do his full due diligence and jumped in without testing the waters first or he has been lied to.

"Learning the hard way"..... that is one expensive lesson then. The School of Hard Knocks has no price tag. You decide how much you want to pay.

There's a member besides eirescott, who usually posts free systems in this forum.

How sad, those systems are all "failed".

[Egalite]

New BlackJack review book published by Ellis Clifton Davies.

You can google the rest, unfortunately NO books published by Ellis concerning Baccarat.

[krapper007]

So what Baccarat books have you had published? $445 per copy for NBJ is amazing, that means the sale price would have had to have been well over $500 per copy, never heard of any Blackjack book being sold for such a price.

I went to amazon.com and searched in "Books" and "clifton e davis". The search results gave three baccarat books and one blackjack book. These are kindle books. It appears Ellis has indeed published kindle books. I do not have any of these books.