The game has been beat...

[Archer]

Another good one from this guy Mark Ripple who says he is Ellis' son. This one after Ellis gets the boot from the blackjack site:

Mark begs the administrators: "My Dad would like back in to discuss, and thank you again for the link...I am sure you can fix his status...otherwise he'll debate ME all nite!"

LOL - Even his own kid is sick of him.

Archer

[Charlie201]

HI Goal , I am interested in your partnership offer , you may email me - Thanks Charlie201

[Ellis]

Another good one from this guy Mark Ripple who says he is Ellis' son. This one after Ellis gets the boot from the blackjack site:

Mark begs the administrators: "My Dad would like back in to discuss, and thank you again for the link...I am sure you can fix his status...otherwise he'll debate ME all nite!"

LOL - Even his own kid is sick of him.

Archer

Not my kid, he's definitely on his own. Plus, I have NO interest in card counting sites. A bunch of brain washed lemmings that can't produce a single year end winner. The biggest scam ever perpetrated! Mass hysteria!

[Archer]

Not my kid, he's definitely on his own. Plus, I have NO interest in card counting sites. A bunch of brain washed lemmings that can't produce a single year end winner. The biggest scam ever perpetrated! Mass hysteria!

Not your son? Funny, when he was posting here in an attempt to defend you all those times you didn't "disown" him. So now when he tries to get you re-enstated to a site that banned your hokus pokus you disavow him! Wow, Dude, that is cruel!!!

Archer

PS. I have never heard of a "Mark" as Ellis' son. His, I believe only son, is named Thurston. I think this "Mark Ripple" is actually Ellis (or Thursston)pulling another of his scam techniques. The name itself seems like an inside joke. "Mark" the cards, "Ripple" the deck. ??

[Archer]

Not my kid, he's definitely on his own. Plus, I have NO interest in card counting sites. A bunch of brain washed lemmings that can't produce a single year end winner. The biggest scam ever perpetrated! Mass hysteria!

Oh, I forgot, if you have no interest in card counting sites why did you go there and sign up?


Again, Ellis' famous "Heads I win Tails You Lose."

You should try to keep track of your own BS.

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[garnabby]

Not my kid, he's definitely on his own.

And i thought everyone was sillE's kid, from his "leave no student behind" theme? More likely, he's so many aliases and cronies, that even he's forgot which was real. Maybe Ripple was his own imaginary kid, the reason "my dad was going to debate it with me all night long"?

Plus, I have NO interest in card counting sites. A bunch of brain washed lemmings that can't produce a single year end winner. The biggest scam ever perpetrated! Mass hysteria!

And what do you call a guy who comes out with, nay plagiarizes, new counting systems of his own as fast as he decries the others'... and because he was never able to even make anyone's work for himself?

Hey, old sillE, doesn't matter how many "altered egos" you can come up with... a lot of nothing will always be only nothing. (IQ's don't add up in that manner.)

[stntgr52]

may i ask what SAP means. thanks for your help. richard

[Ellis]

may i ask what SAP means. thanks for your help. richard

Sure, ha, it stands for Self Adjusting Progression which had to do with its original use but almost nothing to do with how we are using it in System 40. Sorry to disappoint you Richard.

[pitty1]

SAP means Scam and Peddling..and yes it has everything to do with system 40..

[Ellis]

SAP means Scam and Peddling..and yes it has everything to do with system 40..

There you have it. Wisdom from an immature know nothing idiot who should be banned from the internet for utter stupidity.

[Archer]

Sure, ha, it stands for Self Adjusting Progression which had to do with its original use but almost nothing to do with how we are using it in System 40. Sorry to disappoint you Richard.

Richard, I can't find the post but it is here where Ellis describes SAP as a method which wins 83% of shoes and wins like 9-11 units a shoe without betting more than 2 or 3 units. Search SAP about two months ago and you will fiind it. But for some reason he abandons that now for this bigger and better SYSTEM 40! Yay! This newest system wins nearly every shoe, and makes even a lot more units. LOL, the hits just keep on coming! Ya got to love this Ellis guy - this has been going on since I first ran into hiim some 15 years ago!

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[Ellis]

Unlike you Archer I like to keep improving. SAP works just fine. Is that any reason to hang my hat on it? Edison's final light bulb worked just fine too. Should we still be using them? Don't you believe in progress?

Why are you still hanging on every word I say no matter who I say it to. Can't you find anyone better to read? Or do you just have a hangup?

And I suppose Dave is just lieing to everyone???

[Ellis]

It seems to be a catching illness on this forum that people just make stuff up to their own liking. I don't drink at all. Too old. I played full time longer than most here have played at all. Lived in AC. Probably played more than all here put together. At 70, I'm too old to play full time anymore but I still play right along side my students every chance I get. Full time play is a young man's game and a very tough life. Been there, done that.

Winning in either Bac or BJ or both is far, far tougher than most here think. Most have no idea of what they are up against. Bottom line year end winning players are one in a thousand. You can't just walk into any casino at any time, play any table and expect to win with some single page magic formula scam you picked up somewhere. There are thousands of them. Yet only one player in a 1000 actually wins consistently. You have to know exactly what you are doing and why. You have to know when to play, when casinos are vulnerable and when they are not, which tables are vulnerable and which are not and finally how to beat those that are vulnerable and know when to quit. There is no single magic bullet. It takes a complete education.

Most are unwilling to go to those lengths - to be a serious player. Most think casinos are party time - that you can learn how to win in an hour. They are no match for a casino. Casinos are far smarter than most think.

I actually turn players away when I see they are not cut out for this. It takes near insane devotion to learn how to consistently beat casinos. You've got to be firing on all 8. You've got to know how to be in the right place at the right time and do the right thing. Many quit as soon as they see there is work involved or as soon as they see they can't be partying with the rest of the casino patrons.

Many look to casinos when they lose their jobs. They think casinos are an easier way to make a living than going back to work. I don't want those guys. In most cases, beating casinos is much tougher than their job was and they couldn't handle their job. Noting that some lose their job through no fault of their own.

I recall a guy who handed me a bunch of money in a casino one night and said HERE, show me how to beat THIS table THIS shoe. Idiot, it doesn't work that way. No matter how good you are you can't beat any table any time. But you CAN learn to beat the right table at the right time.

Dave here is doing well. He was making a few mistakes starting out, some my fault and some his own but he's the type to put in the effort. He will keep on improving because he's that type. Most here have no idea of what he's even talking about... and never will. They are still searching for some non existent magic bullet.

Bryan probably wins but that style of play is illegal in most American casinos. It is also highly casino sensitive. Triggers that work in one casino may not work in the next.

Pit Boss probably also wins - from a quit while you are ahead tactic. But his system is not complete, yet. But he's the type to persevere until he's got it perfect.

But most here can't play for beans, refuse to put in the effort to learn and are relegated to bad mouthing those who can play, who HAVE put in the effort. Thus is human nature. Unfortunately.

Yes, I charge a little bit of money. But if you can't learn to more than make that up in your play, I don't want you. And you don't want me. You aren't a serious player. I'm only interested in serious players. They can be taught. The party goers can't. They will forever be party goers.

Now excuse me, I've got work to do.

[Archer]

It seems to be a catching illness on this forum that people just make stuff up to their own liking. I don't drink at all. Too old. I played full time longer than most here have played at all. Lived in AC. Probably played more than all here put together. At 70, I'm too old to play full time anymore but I still play right along side my students every chance I get. Full time play is a young man's game and a very tough life. Been there, done that.

Long winded bullshit deleted. Full time? Tough life? What is tough about making ten units a session? All your players do it. Mark Maverick says he does it in his spare time and makes $1,000.00 a visit. Adulay says he does it. Full time play does not mean 40 hours a week dude. How hard is it to play 5 shoes a week?

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[Ellis]

I guess that makes you about the only one not doing it. When I played full time, I lived there and played full time. I had no other source of income. I don't consider 5 shoes a week full time or even close. I also played both Bac and BJ, More like 30 shoes a day 4 days a week. You know, full time. I averaged way more than 5 shoes a week playing part time. If you want to somehow call that full time then I've been playing more than "full time" for 30 years.

[Archer]

Bryan probably wins but that style of play is illegal in most American casinos. It is also highly casino sensitive. Triggers that work in one casino may not work in the next.

LOL - You are the master at deception! You will say anything to promote disinformation in order to bolster your own sillE systems.

A

[Ellis]

LOL - You are the master at deception! You will say anything to promote disinformation in order to bolster your own sillE systems.

A

Aaaa what deception, exactly? You are the master of false, baseless, made up accusations you WISH were true, but in the light of day, figments of your vivid imagination. A perfect Garnabby protege. If you can't be yourself and must pick someone to mimic, don't pick another idiot.

[Archer]

Aaaa what deception, exactly? You are the master of false, baseless, made up accusations you WISH were true, but in the light of day, figments of your vivid imagination.

Really? Why don't you start by telling us how it is illegal in the US to implement Bryan's strategy and watch me make a fool out of you! You make all these statements that you can't explain. Go ahead genius!

A

[Ellis]

LOL - You are the master at deception! You will say anything to promote disinformation in order to bolster your own sillE systems.

A

As you most likely know, most, but not all, casinos in the US have the unwritten 33% rule. You must play an average of at least one hand out of 3. They may not enforce that if you are losing but they'll definitely enforce it if you are winning. So, what's the point?

I know a player Paul Star who developed his own triggers over years of play at 5 Vegas Casinos. He wins nearly every session. But as soon as he tried the same exact triggers in California, he lost every shoe over a 2 week period. Back in Vegas now, he's winning consistently again. He is just one example.

I have Bryan's trigger list. Some swear by it! Others swear at it. I think it depends largely on where you are playing. I think it was good of Bryan to share it. But then he had second thoughts didn't he???

Plus Brian knew how to apply Kentucky windage. Do we?

[Ellis]

Really? and watch me make a fool out of you!

A

That has become your sole purpose it life. What a waste!

[Archer]

I'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you most likely know, most, but not all, casinos in the US have the unwritten 33% rule. You must play an average of at least one hand out of 3. They may not enforce that if you are losing but they'll definitely enforce it if you are winning. So, what's the point?

No if there is such a rule in "most, but not all" (there's a non-statement if I ever read one) I wasn't aware of it but in the "un-most" of casinos I play it must NOT be a rule since players regularly sit for numerous hands or half the shoe without betting. Ellis, have you ever really played except in tournaments? If you are winning the casinos want you back, if you are losing the casinos want you back - that simple.

I know a player Paul Star who developed his own triggers over years of play at 5 Vegas Casinos. He wins nearly every session. But as soon as he tried the same exact triggers in California, he lost every shoe over a 2 week period. Back in Vegas now, he's winning consistently again. He is just one example.

LOL - Ellis, that is called "variance" or bad luck. That is IF you are not just making that story up as usual. Ellis you should have added that he played 5 shoes a day for ten days and that was 50 shoe and he lost every one - just for effect! pffffff -how low can you go?

I have Bryan's trigger list. Some swear by it! Others swear at it. I think it depends largely on where you are playing. I think it was good of Bryan to share it. But then he had second thoughts didn't he???

Really? What, did you take a poll of 3 people here who may have used it and come up with this conclusion? Second thoughts? Is this some obscure innuendo implying he may have doubts of his own play after 15 years?[/QUOTE]

Plus Brian knew how to apply Kentucky windage. Do we?

I don't recall anything about Kentucky windage. But I know a lot about Arkansas windage! Pheeeewwwwwy - the gas and BS you spread really stinks up the place!

Archer

[Archer]

That has become your sole purpose it life. What a waste!

I don't think you have a clue as to what my life's purpose is but exposing con men is not a bad profession.

[Archer]

As you most likely know, most, but not all, casinos in the US have the unwritten 33% rule. You must play an average of at least one hand out of 3. They may not enforce that if you are losing but they'll definitely enforce it if you are winning. So, what's the point?

Answer your own question! How did "Paul Star" (ahem) get away with it?

I know a player Paul Star who developed his own triggers over years of play at 5 Vegas Casinos. He wins nearly every session. But as soon as he tried the same exact triggers in California, he lost every shoe over a 2 week period. Back in Vegas now, he's winning consistently again. He is just one example.

Just one example of many, pfff! Hey Ellis, did his Trigger list just happen to play 1 hand out of 3 in all those LV casinos or do LV casinos and California casinos not use that rule? LOL You always get caught lying don't you Ellis?

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[Ellis]

Then you need to go back and read Bryan's thread again. The rest of your post is pure Archer stereotype BS. If your casino lets you take up a seat and bet your nickel once every 20 hands, have at it.

[Archer]

Then you need to go back and read Bryan's thread again. The rest of your post is pure Archer stereotype BS. If your casino lets you take up a seat and bet your nickel once every 20 hands, have at it.

"Nickel?" What are you talkiing about? Bryan made it clear that his bets are pretty hefty.

Once more your reasoning does NOT stand up to scrutiny.

1. To reiterate. Your "Paul Star" plays triggers in at least 5 LV casinos and 1 CA casino. How does he get by the 33% rule? Is he a nickel bettor? You should try and pay attentiion to what you say. I guess we can mark it up to senility.

2. Easy to get around the rule (if it even exists) by betting table minimum every few hands then banging your triggers when appropriate. In the small houses where you used to play (Tunica only has six $5.00 tables) it may be a problem. But do you really think that Bellagio, Foxwoods, etc. are afraid of heavy bettors?

It is getting to the point now Ellis where evrything you post is pure nonsense!

Archer

[Ellis]

If you could read, I said "YOUR" bets, not Bryan's. You seem to be reduced to stammering name calling again. Just your speed.

[Archer]

If you could read, I said "YOUR" bets, not Bryan's. You seem to be reduced to stammering name calling again. Just your speed.

Oh, I bet nickels every 20 hands - I see. So you mean casinos allow big bets ever 20 hands but not small bets every 20 hands. Huh? So why did you bother to say casinos won't let you bet that way? You are so silly!

[fauzy]

It can. I am not trying to scam anyone. I do have a bankroll. I use $250, to make about $500 or so a day (whenever I go that is) I don't have much time to gamble. Or much money to gamble with. I use it to supplement my income so my wife can stay home. But, now feeling more confident about it, I would like to partner up with some one. I know how it looks, so I don't want to seem like a scammer. So, selling it is out, ok? I just want to partner with someone who has money, and we both meet at the baccarat tables in either fox woods or atlantic city, and use your money to make money. So, I get nothing up front ok? No way I can scam. I only offered that, really, just to ONE person, if the partnering up thing would not be an option. I just want to take FULL advantage of the system. And I did say average. I played ten shoes one day, and only won 41 units. A few shoes were too back and fourth and commissions were adding up. So I would quit them ahead 2-3 units, or 3-5 units. But it WORKS. And yes, with just a 1-2 progression.

Lol

[Ellis]

I totally agree with fauzy. Thegoal's post makes no sense. If he had a winning system he would not need money from others to play it. He would already have won a good bankroll.

Also, Thegoal's wording: "to take FULL advantage" is a dead giveaway. This means his system contains high bets he cannot afford to make. If he can't win keeping his max bet at 5 units he needs to learn a better way to play.

If his system, in fact, stuck to a 1,2 prog, as he claims, he would not need someone else's money, would he. He would have his own.

I frequently get requests to play other people's money. Got another one on my own forum just this week. What they don't see is there is nothing in it for me. When I play my own money, I keep ALL the winnings.

So would Thegoal IF he, in fact, wins. Therein lies the real problem. Nobody that wins consistently is looking for a partner. Why would they?

[DiMenosCor]

Very valid point.

Well if you don't know thegoal is in prison for some ponzi scheme relating to financial derivatives.