The game has been beat...

[Bryan]

Why don't you let the guy make up his own mind? He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I am not too sure about that. He have a system that win 20 units every time he steps into the casino. I think that is already something great.

[Ellis]

I am not questioning your computer testers capabilities but if they really proved some literally winning system of yours, why don't you just post a statistical result here. If it is the case, by doing this will only do good and get more customers to your no-risk business. But you never ever posted serious and convinced data here or at your BTC, why? The only answer I don't need to put, everyone can deduce. You just keep inventing a new system every one or two months, letting your members to test, telling only winning stories, never evaluate yours systems objectively.

I was the guy who ever wanted to join BTC but when I been there for a few weeks I never post there again.

ayuinca, No one in the world tests systems as objectively as we do. We have posted tons of results here. Several BTC members have, only to be called liars. One guy from this forum even came to Vegas and watched our table and system selection method work flawlessly and still bad mouthed us.

I can't remember if you were on our public or private forum but I remember you. I thought you would make a good player. But maybe one in a hundred just never gets it. Winning is not about systems. It's about selecting the right table and then selecting the right system for that table. You can't test that overall process on a computer. All you can demonstate by computer testing is what system beats what shoe type best. Playing piles of shoes out of context with the casino environment is a waste of time. Actual casino results is everything.

If you are happy here this is where you should stay. My forum is only for serious players intent on beating casinos and willing to put in the effort to learn how. That is why its called beatthecasino.

[Ellis]

Well you are certainly partially right John. Some shoes simply do not have a playable trend. Nearly all shoes have their chaotic episodes. But that does not mean no shoe has a playable trend. I teach my students that their first chore upon entering a casino is to find a playable trend.

But a trend that is highly playable for us you might call random. And you would not be wrong at all.

For instance, lets take a table where P and B are running at ABOUT equal strength. By "equal" I mean that neither side is ever getting ahead by more than 5 or 6. That's a pretty wide margin. Such a shoe is usually not noticably choppy or streaky. You would certainly call that random. Right?

We would call that highly playable because net betting P vs B kills such a shoe W/O your bets getting higher than 4 or 5. So to us, that's a trend. Now suppose that shoe has a surprise 7 or more in a row. We have a defense for that. We'll actually make money on the 7 or more.

Another shoe you would call random has opposites and repeats running about equal strength. We will kill that shoe just as easily by net betting opposites vs repeats.

Another table you would call random might have TB4L plays running about equal strength to OTB4L plays. We will kill that table the same way except we are net betting TB4L vs OTB4L.

The same is true of the time before the time before last. We call that "double TB4L".

On the other hand, a table might be high in straight runs. You would call that streaky. We call it straight runs following straight runs and kill it playing RD1 which is designed for that shoe type.

Maybe RD1 is winning about half the plays. You would call that random. We play RD1n which is net betting RD1 vs the opposite of RD1 and kill such a shoe. By "kill", I mean we go for about 20 units betting U1D2 M2. Our highest bet is usually 4 or 5 and sometimes 6. Our Player Advantage is usually double digit. But we have defenses for virtually every eventuality.

Another table might be high in straight runs with sporadic (single)1's. You would call that streaky also. We'll play F2 or F3 and kill that table. How do we decide between F2 and F3? Simple: Which is higher: twos or 3 or mores?

Another table might be high in straight and ZZ runs. You'd call that streaky. We call it TB4L favorable. But we have a defense for the TTs (terrible twos) the nemisis of TB4L.

While you are calling a table streaky, we are asking what kind of streaky shoe is it TB4L, RD1, F2, or F3?

While you are calling a shoe choppy, we are asking what kind of chop is it? Bet opposites? OTB4L? System 40? Net bet P vs B?

What you call "random" we call Neutral. There is a best net bet system for every kind of "random" shoe.

That's just a few.

Are we always right? Hell no, esp on the first shoe of the day. I mentioned before, I end up changing systems mid shoe in about 1 out of 12 shoes.

There are whole other follow the shoe approaches I teach like SAP, New Sap and SKOR, all 2Hi approaches that require no table selection. But I personally favor the selction systems because they make more money and are easier to play. Plus, I've been selecting systems for 30 years so I know a thing or two about it.

That gives you some idea of generally how we play but not much. We take advantage of the fact that nearly all shoes have playable trends. We are always looking for the strongest. Does that mean shoes are not random? Yes, at least in a certain sense.

Look, I never said it was easy. It's not. It's a lot of study and practice but eventually most students see the light and start winning consistently. Several have posted their results here only to get ridiculed which quickly stops other students from posting on this forum. But they ALL post on my forum - the good and the bad. But eventually the bad turns good for nearly all. A very small few are simply unteachable or lack devotion. But my retention rate is VERY HIGH. That's how I measure my success rate. And I consider myself highly successful.

My students consider my forum the very best there is. On the other hand this forum has a horrible reputation and the horrible retention rate to match in spite of the fact that people can stay here for free. I have many 5 to 20 year members. You could count the 5 year members on this forum on one hand. Why do you suppose that is? BF is like the Jerry Springer forum. All fight and no substance. Sorry but that's the way it is.

But its not about who has the best forum, is it? It's about who has the most winning Baccarat players. I think we both know the answer to that.

[Archer]

ayuinca, No one in the world tests systems as objectively as we do.

LOL, another Ellis gem!

A

[Archer]

Ellis you occasionally make these statements which are simply not true.

"you can only win by playing the shoe at hand", this must invariably mean that each outcome is not truly random and previous results, i.e. the current trend has significance on the next outcome. This is not the game as I know it.

Your damn sure the Punto is going to win the next hand, all "personal" indicators have you betting Punto/Player, and you feel pretty confident, thinking "I told you so" or "I knew it" with the Player sitting on a natural eight, then the Banker pulls a six to go with the previously drawn three.

Hence the random and sometimes chaotic nature of the game, and more significantly the previous trend has no bearing on previous results.

The absence of something, does not prove it does not exist.

You are wasting your time, John. Ellis' response proves it. Anbody can invent a simple method that follows past results. When the past results change just change the method.

Unfortunately Ellis has ruined this site with his incessant sales pitch on how to guess and win.

System 1: Walk around the casino until you find a shoe where you see a lot of 1's, 2's, and 3's bunched together. Net bet this past performance. If you get a 4 in a row then start betting follow until you get a 1 in a row then bet chop until you lose. If that doesn't work, go back and play . . . .. blah blah.

System 2: Walk around and if you see a toteboard that has few 1's but lots of 2's and 3's just play OTBL. But when you hit a chop bet the chop until you lose.

System 3: Walk around the casino and if you see a shoe with lots of 1's and few 2's just bet follow until you lose to a chop then follow chop until you lose and go back to follow.

Of course the above does NOT include special counts of 3's vs. 4's or 2's vs. 3's or the amount of 1's every ten hands. These special counts will take the guess out of the guess and make the method mechanical so you know when to switch. OOPS. Does that mean the methods are all mechanical and can be programmed? I do more objective testing then anyone in the world so you can rely on these methods.

System 4: Start by following repeats until you lose twice in a row then stop betting the side with that lone 1 until it repeats. Bet the other side but don't bet follow more than that side has gone so if it only went 3 repeat don't bet more than 3 but if it goes 4 then keep betting until you lose.

All we have to do now is put in MM and progressions and . .. . . ..

I could elaborate on the above, fine tune, discuss progressions but I can't sell them because they are just simple dumb methods.

We could discuss such methods at length but what would be the point? Maybe we should. Then we could be just like Ellis' BTC. Everybody inventing little methods and finding shoes that work with them.

A

[Ellis]

I ruined the site, not Archer or Garnabby with their incessant put downs of everyone who posts and every idea posted. One doesn't even play and the other is a habitual arguer but I ruined the site.

I've noted vast improvement of this site recently. This seems to occur whenever Garnabby and Archer take a leave of absence. But they always come back with a vengence and make up for lost time.

They get restless when the site occassionally turns to Baccarat. No, can't let that happen. Lets get another fight going quick, - they're talking Baccarat again - can't let that happen. But I ruined the site.

Yeah, right!

You go to the other thread where one of my students is posting his play record with just ONE of our systems and what is Archer's first comment?

How can we steal this system?

But I ruined the site.

Excuse me but I have to go over in the corner and lol for a while.

[baccaratkid]

I have been gambling for many years, mostly in AC. I played craps, BJ,
and bac, jumping from one to another. I used systems, some purchased,
some developed on my own. I won more than I lost just trying to cover
what my wife was losing on the slots. Eventually my wife got ill and we
moved to South Carolina where there are no casinos. I tried my hand
at some online casinos with little success. One day I stumbled upon
Beat the Casino forum. It sounded good, with some new ideas that I
liked. I tried the free system they offerred on a trip to AC. In 2+ shoes
I won $700, more than enough to cover the $500 tuition, so I joined.
I found a plethora of systems and started to learn the terminology and
a few of the systems. After a few weeks I was hooked. I joined Ellis and
some other members on a trip to Vegas. My goal was to stick with Ellis
and absorb as much as I could from him. I won on that trip, as did all
15 people in our group. Since that time I have continued to improve
my play and contribute to developing the systems on the forum. I still
live in SC and have to travel to play, but I have been to Tunica twice and
Vegas once, all for 3+ days, and have won every time. I feel so confident
every time I sit down at a table with the knowledge that I can beat this
game. I use several methods in trying to adjust my play to the shoe.
It works. I am no longer a gambler, I am a player, and I owe that to
Ellis and the many pros on Beat the Casino. I am still there (as Zebra)
trying to continue to improve my play and to assist others who are new
to the forum. I still look upon Ellis as a master at his craft. You would
all be wise to take advantage of his knowledge.

[playerrun]

sounds like we have simula betting systems

[Mike]

My students consider my forum the very best there is. On the other hand this forum has a horrible reputation and the horrible retention rate to match in spite of the fact that people can stay here for free. I have many 5 to 20 year members. You could count the 5 year members on this forum on one hand.

Ellis, I'm not quite sure how you have "20 year members" of your forum if your domain name was registered in 1998 and the forums for your site opened in February-March of 2006. Odd claim.

Obviously your students would consider your forum the "best there is". Here's some information on possibly why:

Post-purchase rationalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Escalation of commitment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a testament to the beauty of this forum that I allow you, as someone who has "something to sell", to come here and participate in on-topic baccarat discussions. It's also a testament to this forum that I allow others to debate with you and for you to debate with them. All intelligent baccarat discussion and debate is welcome here.

As a final note, no more bad-mouthing our website or our general member base on our own forum. You can do that all you like on your own forum if that's what you'd like to do.

Let's keep it positive and as on-topic as possible.

[Ellis]

I have been gambling for many years, mostly in AC. I played craps, BJ,
and bac, jumping from one to another. I used systems, some purchased,
some developed on my own. I won more than I lost just trying to cover
what my wife was losing on the slots. Eventually my wife got ill and we
moved to South Carolina where there are no casinos. I tried my hand
at some online casinos with little success. One day I stumbled upon
Beat the Casino forum. It sounded good, with some new ideas that I
liked. I tried the free system they offerred on a trip to AC. In 2+ shoes
I won $700, more than enough to cover the $500 tuition, so I joined.
I found a plethora of systems and started to learn the terminology and
a few of the systems. After a few weeks I was hooked. I joined Ellis and
some other members on a trip to Vegas. My goal was to stick with Ellis
and absorb as much as I could from him. I won on that trip, as did all
15 people in our group. Since that time I have continued to improve
my play and contribute to developing the systems on the forum. I still
live in SC and have to travel to play, but I have been to Tunica twice and
Vegas once, all for 3+ days, and have won every time. I feel so confident
every time I sit down at a table with the knowledge that I can beat this
game. I use several methods in trying to adjust my play to the shoe.
It works. I am no longer a gambler, I am a player, and I owe that to
Ellis and the many pros on Beat the Casino. I am still there (as Zebra)
trying to continue to improve my play and to assist others who are new
to the forum. I still look upon Ellis as a master at his craft. You would
all be wise to take advantage of his knowledge.

Yeah, I've played with Baccaratkid a total of about ten days now. An excellent student. I never saw him lose a day. Yeah, maybe a shoe now and then but by very little. Its like the line from the famous movie Deliverence about how to handle the rapids when you fall out of the canue. "....And if you hit a rock, don't hit it with your head."

[Ellis]

Ellis, I'm not quite sure how you have "20 year members" of your forum if your domain name was registered in 1998 and the forums for your site opened in February-March of 2006. Odd claim.

Obviously your students would consider your forum the "best there is". Here's some information on possibly why:

Post-purchase rationalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Escalation of commitment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a testament to the beauty of this forum that I allow you, as someone who has "something to sell", to come here and participate in on-topic baccarat discussions. It's also a testament to this forum that I allow others to debate with you and for you to debate with them. All intelligent baccarat discussion and debate is welcome here.

As a final note, no more bad-mouthing our website or our general member base on our own forum. You can do that all you like on your own forum if that's what you'd like to do.

Let's keep it positive and as on-topic as possible.

Hi Mike, I apologize for anything negative I said about BF. Sometimes I get a little punchy when under such constant attack for no reason other than whims.

BTC is actually our second on line set up. Our first set up ran for many years when there were few other gaming forums. Keith was moderator then too. But before that we had an off line forum since PCs were virtually unknown except at businesses, schools and libraries. We ran that forum with monthly newsletters and monthly meetings but much the same way as BTC. The membership simply moved from one phase to the next to the next. I still have most of my original members from back in '84, at least those still alive.

I'll abide by your bad mouth rule Mike but in all fairness it seems to me this should apply both ways. Several of your members started this for no reason and I stood by for two years while they were allowed to continue unabated. I'm not going to stand by forever while my people and my forum are being constantly trashed on your forum and even on my free forum by your members. None of that is allowed on my forum. But I'm willing to abide by any rules that apply to ALL of your members. Is that not the fair way to do it?

[Archer]

I ruined the site, not Archer or Garnabby with their incessant put downs of everyone who posts and every idea posted. One doesn't even play and the other is a habitual arguer but I ruined the site.

I've noted vast improvement of this site recently. This seems to occur whenever Garnabby and Archer take a leave of absence. But they always come back with a vengence and make up for lost time.

They get restless when the site occassionally turns to Baccarat. No, can't let that happen. Lets get another fight going quick, - they're talking Baccarat again - can't let that happen. But I ruined the site.

Yeah, right!

You go to the other thread where one of my students is posting his play record with just ONE of our systems and what is Archer's first comment?

How can we steal this system?

But I ruined the site.

Excuse me but I have to go over in the corner and lol for a while.

Lots of people have offered betting methods on this site and others are working behind the scenes helping each other. WHAT BACCARAT METHOD HAVE YOU POSTED TO THIS SITE ELLIS. All your talk about teaching. You are just here to sell- you are an advertiser with a LOT of hype.

Ellis, please find where I said I want to steal your systems and quote the statement rather than just make it up. LOL, I don't have to steal them. All of your methods get passed around sooner or later. That's why I know they are cute little methods. You should thank me for not posting them. . I have said they are worth 50 bucks more than once.

They are okay to use but they are no better than basic OTBL, TBL, FLD, OLD with a few counts, MM, and progressions thrown in. The reason is that none of them work without changing to another one of them at the right time. THAT RIGHT TIME IS A GUESS.

You have ruined this site because you are not here to teach, you are here to sell. That's my only gripe. I don't care who goes to BTC. Why should I care? Do you think I couldn't give one of my friends 50 bucks and have them join your site if I wanted to "steal" all your methods? LMAO

The best method you ever promoted was Net Betting. The reason is that it wins both OLD and FLD when there are bunches of 1's, 2's, and 3's in a shoe using a simple 2 hi progression. If you want to make claim to that "invention" that is fine with me. Give credit where credit is due. The only problem with that method is that it loses - so you got to guess when to change it. You can guess using counts or stop losses or whatever but because past performance does not portend future performance in a game that has NO MATHEMATICAL BIAS it is just a guess.

If folks win that's cool. You never have read where I have put people down for winning yet you keep on saying that I do. Lots of people win but unless they discover a mathematical bias they are guessing and gambling. EVERBODY KNOWS THIS!!!!!!!

Your big excuse for not teaching here is that you deserve to get paid for subscriptions and there is nothing wrong with selling "system/methods." Fine. SO WHY ARE YOU HERE?????????????

You have your own public forum - what a joke it is!

Archer

[Archer]

Obviously your students would consider your forum the "best there is". Here's some information on possibly why:

Post-purchase rationalization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Escalation of commitment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Talk about being right on target! I would suggest everyone read the content of the aabove links.

A

[Archer]

Ellis wrote, "Hi Mike, I apologize for anything negative I said about BF. Sometimes I get a little punchy when under such constant attack for no reason other than whims."

LOL, that's right, Ellis is being unfairly criticized for no reason! Poor baby! Well, keep up the sales pitch Ellis you won't have me to keep you honest for awhile. It's almost sailing season and I have to get back to Connecticut, do some work on my sailboat and get ready for the islands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Goodbye!

Archer>>>------------------------->

[Ellis]

Well, I posted a user friendly frequency of events table.
I posted the best way to play my OTB4L system.
I posted when to use net betting
I posted a simple PB system for a new guy
I posted a better way to play Georgia's version of the 456 system
I posted the U1D2M2 betting strategy and U1D1 M3 B2 betting strategy
I directed people to how to net bet on my free forum
I posted my theory on overall betting strategy which has proven successful
I posted several trip reports
I posted about the tell at Gold Strike before it ended
I posted my theory on how best to play this game three times
I posted my take on progressive betting
My students have posted their own trip reports only to be called liars

I guess you were sailing

On the other hand Archer has posted..... well and then there's.....
On yeah, an argument to everything.

Garnabby has posted ridicule of everything I posted, ridicule of my staff and my students and my forum and in addition ??????? Nothing legible.
Oh yeah, name calling. That part was legible.

But Mike is right, I was over zealous in my defense of myself, my staff, my students and my forum. I let friendly fire get out of hand. A loose cannon. My aim should have been more precise. There is nothing wrong with Mike's forum. There is something wrong with certain individuals on Mike's forum.

We have no bad mouthing rules on my forum. None are needed. It just isn't done. It serves no purpose. Neither Garnabby or Archer was ever on my private forum. Sure, we kicked them off our public forum. I think any reasonable person can see exactly why. So did others.

I have 30 years successful experience with this game. I know my stuff cold. I'm not guessing. I've been teaching this game successfully for 25 years. It is my livlihood. If your livlihood and your people came under such contant attack from people who have no idea of what they are talking about, and no experience, exactly what would YOU do? Ignore it and watch everything you've created go down the tubes while you stand there doing nothing? I hardly think so.

There is nothing wrong with getting paid for teaching. All teachers do. You get paid for your profession, do you not? I teach full time. BTW, I ran a free forum for MANY years.

I'm on my way to the casino. Be back in a week or so.

[Ellis]

Mike, "my forum is a joke"? You allowed that after your censure comments?
Already? What is that? I'm censured while they can say anything they want about my forum? And then run and hide? Is that what you meant? You give them clear sailing and then censure any rebuttal. Is that your idea of fair play? Hopefully not. I'll tell you what I'd do. I'd tell Keith to delete Archer's comment and then this one. Then if he persisted still as he is wont to do, I would delete Archer - which is exactly what I did for the very reason that he just clearly demonstrated. We warned him. He persisted. What does any of that have to do with Baccarat? It belongs under a heading of Personal Vengence for 6 year olds or not at all.

[Ellis]

Archer, plotting with others to pay a one month $50 tuition to invade my private forum with the intention of extracting a single proven system is stealing in my book. The $50 tuition option was designed to help people financially strapped, not to aid thieves.

[playerrun]

you say a 50 unit bankroll... whats your daily shoe avrage as in shoes played and your daily unit average

[treetopflyer]

Oh, it does exist. I do it all the time.

[Thegoal]

you say a 50 unit bankroll... whats your daily shoe avrage as in shoes played and your daily unit average

Sorry, I've been busy with working and gambling.

Some shoes I've made only 3-4 units, some shoes I've made as high as 20 units.

I make $500 and then I leave.

[joshky]

A $250 session bank roll to make $500 per one session. Very impressive. What's the most shoes you play in one session.

[Thegoal]

It sucks that my thread was sabotaged....but, it's not unusual in forums such as this. Sorry for the delay in response. Work, and gambling....taken a toll on my free time.

I will try to sift through any questions and answer them as I can.

I usually play 5-10 shoes a day. Depends on when I hit my goal. Once I hit it, I leave. I've hit it in 4 shoes...I've hit it in 10 shoes.

I usually make 25 units a day. My goal is at least 5-10 units a shoe....but most shoes I make 5 units.

[joshky]

Impressive. Have you at any one time lost your session bank roll?

[Ellis]

I agree with Joshky and this demonstrates once again that there are ways to beat this game.

Also, I apologize for any part I played in ruining your thread Goal.

[Archer]

Thegoal, if this is a purely mechanical system then ayuinca is right. There is no mechanical 2Hi system that can make $500 a day, day after day.

There is also no such thing as a flat bet 2Hi system. Which is it?

This $500 a day - What unit size are you talking?

There are 2Hi follow the shoe systems that can avg 5 units a shoe such as SAP but you don't sound like you have the experience to design such a system.

If you can make $500 a day, every day, you need no financial backing, wife or no. This makes no sense and makes you sound like a scammer. Unless your system also has losing days which you haven't told us about. Which I suspect is the case. But then, why would anyone finance it?

Hello Dear Friends!

1. I already contacted this guy a while back - told him I could easily hook him up with deep pockets if he could prove his method. Never heard peep from him.

3. Why? Why do you sell your systems Ellis? Oh, excuse me, "methods." Oh, excuse me, "subscriptions." Cute!

4. Look who is talking about scammer! Give me a break, Ellis? SAP? Is that your mechanical winning method, Ellis? Well . . .just don't sit there, is it? Simple yes or no would be nice but I won't hold my breath for a straight answer! pffff!

SAP complicated. Don't flatter yourself, Scamboy. The method is no more complicated or erudite then a lot of other stuff posted here.

5. Ellis, you're the guy who has 2hi systems that win 10+ units a shoe! You're the guy who has a freind who flat bets and wins 10-12 units a shoe year after year! Why is it now so hard for you to believe this guy can win 5 units a shoe?

6. All of your methods are mechanical Ellis. We either have defined bet placements (mechanical) or we guess (not mechanical). So you have two dozen systems that look at the previous hands, incorporate counts, stop losses/wins, paper bets, etc. All guessing because "no mechanical method can win" remember? You just said that!

Archer

[Thegoal]

Impressive. Have you at any one time lost your session bank roll?

No yet, no.

I've increased now. Using $500 to make $1000 a day now. Started that a few weeks ago.

[Archer]

Archer, plotting with others to pay a one month $50 tuition to invade my private forum with the intention of extracting a single proven system is stealing in my book. The $50 tuition option was designed to help people financially strapped, not to aid thieves.

Plotting with others? LMAO. No need to plot. Your stuff gets passed around. I don't even know who passes it around most of the time! People look at it, realize it is just gobbly gook guessing methods - all versions of the same theme (different crap, same old stink). They get tired of it and then pass it along. Big deal!

Hey Ellis, you have so many proven systems and are so concerned with financially strapped people why not just bring one of them up for disucssion here? Instead of using this forum for free advertising.

You said you explained Net Betting here. Why not tell people how to consistently win with Net Betting. Or how about OTBL. You said that you personally teach OTBL. That's not your creation. Why not teach people how to win with that?

You are such a phoney . . .
The things you say about me are baloney. . .
But what I say about you. . .
Is TRUE!

Archer the Poet, lol

[Thegoal]

Plotting with others? LMAO. No need to plot. Your stuff gets passed around. I don't even know who passes it around most of the time! People look at it, realize it is just gobbly gook guessing methods - all versions of the same theme (different crap, same old stink). They get tired of it and then pass it along. Big deal!

Hey Ellis, you have so many proven systems and are so concerned with financially strapped people why not just bring one of them up for disucssion here? Instead of using this forum for free advertising.

You said you explained Net Betting here. Why not tell people how to consistently win with Net Betting. Or how about OTBL. You said that you personally teach OTBL. That's not your creation. Why not teach people how to win with that?

You are such a phoney . . .
The things you say about me are baloney. . .
But what I say about you. . .
Is TRUE!

Archer the Poet, lol

I know what you guys got going on is not my business....but, just out of corteousy, could you guys debate about it in a different thread? lol

[joshky]

No yet, no.

I've increased now. Using $500 to make $1000 a day now. Started that a few weeks ago.

Now, that is real sweet increasing your unit size. Any clues to how this wonder strategy of yours work?

[Thegoal]

It works, I believe, because of the rules of the game. The "stands", such as 7s, 6s, naturals, effect the "randomness" of the game. Therefore, forcing certain trends to occur, and causing certain effects on the total "count" of the cards. Even though it is a random game, it's preset random. So, whatever the outcomes are, they are already in the shoe. So, it's not, on the spot, flip of a coin random. So, the rules of baccarat, force trends. The fact that there are a limited number of 8s, 10s, 3s, etc, partnered up with stand rules? Trends are forced. Random or not.

Naturals can "force" 3 players to come, when, if the cards were to be just drawn out, 3 for 3, using baccarat pip values, the results would be bpb, or bbp, or ppb, ...instead, because one or more of the results were naturals, it ended up being ppp.

Very hard to explain, but, it works. This post in no way gives away the system, but, gives an idea of the thought trail that lead me to create my system.

It's almost impervious to the house edge (I believe), because the system, changes, based on the flow of the stands, naturals, and "3 card draw hands". So, you will more than likely, not make the same type of bets, you made in the previous shoe, or even in any shoe you played earlier that day, in the following shoes you play. This factor, it's versatility, must be why it's so effective. I know, from extensive experience, anything that is mechanical, gets exploited by the house edge. No matter HOW long its worked.