Thread: The game has been beat...

I spent hours, days, nights, weeks, creating a flat betting mini progression (1-2) system that works.
You don't bet every hand, but, you will be betting about 50-70% of the shoe. You never go higher than the 1-2 progression. This system averages 5-10 units per shoe. You never bust out of a 50 unit bankroll. After testing 3000 live shoes. A mixture of vegas, foxwoods, and atlantic city. This system did not go through any trial and error. Period. It was perfect from its creation. On paper, after tiresome, anxious, paper testing, it is up 13,400 units after commission. Tight stop loss. You lose the progression twice you quit the shoe. Controlled profit limit. MOST shoes, 5 units. SOME shoes, 2 units. RARE shoes, you lose the progression twice before making any profit.

Some shoes, you can go on not loosing a hand. This system will make you feel very powerful, as most of the wins are natural wins. I am not looking to sell this system. But I don't have enough money to take advantage of it. I would rather partner with someone who has a bigger bankroll than me, meet a casino and make money together. Or, MAYBE sell it to one person. And one person only, at a great price. I can prove it works before selling it. OR....maybe take in investments? I would much rather partner with a high roller, and go make some big money.

It's the only system I know that works. I'm very excited about this. I was searching online for a while for a medium to do this on, and this is the best place. Please don't ask me to just tell you my system. I want to make money with it first. Big money.

Originally Posted by Thegoal

I spent hours, days, nights, weeks, creating a flat betting mini progression (1-2) system that works.
You don't bet every hand, but, you will be betting about 50-70% of the shoe. You never go higher than the 1-2 progression. This system averages 5-10 units per shoe. You never bust out of a 50 unit bankroll. After testing 3000 live shoes. A mixture of vegas, foxwoods, and atlantic city. This system did not go through any trial and error. Period. It was perfect from its creation. On paper, after tiresome, anxious, paper testing, it is up 13,400 units after commission. Tight stop loss. You lose the progression twice you quit the shoe. Controlled profit limit. MOST shoes, 5 units. SOME shoes, 2 units. RARE shoes, you lose the progression twice before making any profit.

Some shoes, you can go on not loosing a hand. This system will make you feel very powerful, as most of the wins are natural wins. I am not looking to sell this system. But I don't have enough money to take advantage of it. I would rather partner with someone who has a bigger bankroll than me, meet a casino and make money together. Or, MAYBE sell it to one person. And one person only, at a great price. I can prove it works before selling it. OR....maybe take in investments? I would much rather partner with a high roller, and go make some big money.

It's the only system I know that works. I'm very excited about this. I was searching online for a while for a medium to do this on, and this is the best place. Please don't ask me to just tell you my system. I want to make money with it first. Big money.

when you say natural wins do you mean that most of the wins come off of natural 8's and 9's? How can you prove it works?

If it can really win 5 units per shoe in a long term I can bet my life it's another scam. On earth there is no such thing can win 5 units per shoe in a long term. Only 1-2 progression you dont even have a bankroll? What a joke!

Originally Posted by John1234

when you say natural wins do you mean that most of the wins come off of natural 8's and 9's? How can you prove it works?

I would prove it works on dublinbet.com.

I never tested it there, but I heard about it from browsing this site and others.

Most wins come from natural 9s and 8s. Makes you feel powerful at the table betting with almost guaranteed wins. It really does work!

Originally Posted by ayuinca

If it can really win 5 units per shoe in a long term I can bet my life it's another scam. On earth there is no such thing can win 5 units per shoe in a long term. Only 1-2 progression you dont even have a bankroll? What a joke!

It can. I am not trying to scam anyone. I do have a bankroll. I use $250, to make about $500 or so a day (whenever I go that is) I don't have much time to gamble. Or much money to gamble with. I use it to supplement my income so my wife can stay home.

But, now feeling more confident about it, I would like to partner up with some one. I know how it looks, so I don't want to seem like a scammer. So, selling it is out, ok? I just want to partner with someone who has money, and we both meet at the baccarat tables in either fox woods or atlantic city, and use your money to make money. So, I get nothing up front ok? No way I can scam.

I only offered that, really, just to ONE person, if the partnering up thing would not be an option. I just want to take FULL advantage of the system.

And I did say average. I played ten shoes one day, and only won 41 units. A few shoes were too back and fourth and commissions were adding up. So I would quit them ahead 2-3 units, or 3-5 units. But it WORKS. And yes, with just a 1-2 progression.

Good luck then! BTW dublinbet.com does not accept US player. If you manage to play there please share how can you. Thanks.

ayuinca: Bet Phoenix takes USA if you want to ever take that risk.

Thanks John, I want to start with min $1. And Dublinbet play much faster.

yea you won't find $1 at dublin bet and Bet Phoenix takes forever. Not worth the time.

Dublinbet do has as small as $0.5 min. They also have the random bac play as same as the live: shuffle and cut, but min is $10.

Too bad we can't play there. Maybe in the upcoming year we will be able to though.

So i gather you are not going to divulge the system

Thegoal, if this is a purely mechanical system then ayuinca is right. There is no mechanical 2Hi system that can make $500 a day, day after day.

There is also no such thing as a flat bet 2Hi system. Which is it?

This $500 a day - What unit size are you talking?

There are 2Hi follow the shoe systems that can avg 5 units a shoe such as SAP but you don't sound like you have the experience to design such a system.

If you can make $500 a day, every day, you need no financial backing, wife or no. This makes no sense and makes you sound like a scammer. Unless your system also has losing days which you haven't told us about. Which I suspect is the case. But then, why would anyone finance it?

Guys! YOu are right. No system will give you a +5units per shoe every time. Even i testing my new method, i will have losses too in some shoes. But to win every shoe practically impossible as the sequences changing in one shoe is too great to accomdate for one system only. We can use one system but dun expect profits every time in every shoe.

Thanks,
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I already stated the conditions in which I will reveal the system.

I also stated I do use the system to supplement my living right now, and am looking to team up with someone to up the stakes.

I don't see where I can "scam" anyone (trying my hardest to remain passive here and not get offended), when I am not asking for anything up front, or to sell the system.

What would I gain by bringing someone to the casino and losing their money? I use $250, I have a wife and kids. Every time I go to the casino, I make $500 and then walk out. Is it possible that if I stayed I might have hit a losing streak? Maybe, but I have never experienced it.

You see, you guys are either intentionally being negative and not open minded, or maybe just won't believe a system can work. Ever since starting this system, my risk has ALWAYS been, $250. I've never had to rebuy in, or recoup. I've never lost the $250. I've had a draw down of $125 at the most. Flat betting $25 (with a 1-2 progression, not 100% flat betting). Thats it. And I've made $500 everyday I go. To supplement my regular income. SO...if I were to take someone to the casino with me and they had say $5000? The same experience I have every day I play, should not change just because we are using $5000. So I really don't see how I am being a scammer.

I have no idea what 2hi is. And just because I don't does not mean I don't have any "experience" or "creativity". I'm winning. All I'm looking for is to up those stakes. I have a lot of expenses. Increasing bankroll on my own will take a while.

Like I always say, if you put your system out there.This is what will happen. Most people will read it and not play it. Others will rag on you and say it is garbage. The rest will look it and wonder and want to talk more about it. At most 3 people will play it. user

Originally Posted by Ellis

Thegoal, if this is a purely mechanical system then ayuinca is right. There is no mechanical 2Hi system that can make $500 a day, day after day.

Ellis, suppose there is one. How much would you pay for it?

Originally Posted by Thegoal

I already stated the conditions in which I will reveal the system.

I also stated I do use the system to supplement my living right now, and am looking to team up with someone to up the stakes.

I don't see where I can "scam" anyone (trying my hardest to remain passive here and not get offended), when I am not asking for anything up front, or to sell the system.

What would I gain by bringing someone to the casino and losing their money? I use $250, I have a wife and kids. Every time I go to the casino, I make $500 and then walk out. Is it possible that if I stayed I might have hit a losing streak? Maybe, but I have never experienced it.

You see, you guys are either intentionally being negative and not open minded, or maybe just won't believe a system can work. Ever since starting this system, my risk has ALWAYS been, $250. I've never had to rebuy in, or recoup. I've never lost the $250. I've had a draw down of $125 at the most. Flat betting $25 (with a 1-2 progression, not 100% flat betting). Thats it. And I've made $500 everyday I go. To supplement my regular income. SO...if I were to take someone to the casino with me and they had say $5000? The same experience I have every day I play, should not change just because we are using $5000. So I really don't see how I am being a scammer.

I have no idea what 2hi is. And just because I don't does not mean I don't have any "experience" or "creativity". I'm winning. All I'm looking for is to up those stakes. I have a lot of expenses. Increasing bankroll on my own will take a while.

Well, it looks like it's not a complete pure mechanical system otherwise it have to survive a number of shoes, say 10,000 shoes. But you insist it can win every shoe then I can't believe it unless I see it myself. 5-10 everyshoe(not average) is too good to believe. It seems you win $500 every day, not necessarily 5 to 10 units per shoe, correct?

Originally Posted by joshky

Ellis, suppose there is one. How much would you pay for it?

It's a moot question joshky, because there is none. It is a mathematical impossibility. However I think both Thegoal and ayuinca are right. I think we have a slight semantics problem here. I suspect Thegoal's system is NOT purely mechanical but has some type of follow the shoe qualities. I know for a fact that 2Hi systems can indeed produce those kinds of results. We teach several. But they aren't purely mechanical.

I suspect Thegoal is being truthful but just doesn't know what we mean by "purely mechanical".

Unfortunately different terms mean different things to different people.

Thegoal, 2Hi simply means your highest bet is 2. I'm a fan of 2Hi systems. I can probably get someone to go with you and check you out if you are interested. A,C.? Did you say?

Originally Posted by ayuinca

Well, it looks like it's not a complete pure mechanical system otherwise it have to survive a number of shoes, say 10,000 shoes. But you insist it can win every shoe then I can't believe it unless I see it myself. 5-10 everyshoe(not average) is too good to believe. It seems you win $500 every day, not necessarily 5 to 10 units per shoe, correct?

Definitely not every shoe. But, if you averaged it out, with the amount of shoes I play when I do play, it comes out to about that number or higher. Some days, I've made as high as 20 units in one shoe. Once I went past the 9 unit number, I just said I would continue to bet the system until I lost twice in a row. I then went wwwwlwwwwwlwwwwlwwwwwll ....giving me 11 units more. Those runs happen rarely, but are so invigorating!

Originally Posted by Ellis

It's a moot question joshky, because there is none. It is a mathematical impossibility. However I think both Thegoal and ayuinca are right. I think we have a slight semantics problem here. I suspect Thegoal's system is NOT purely mechanical but has some type of follow the shoe qualities. I know for a fact that 2Hi systems can indeed produce those kinds of results. We teach several. But they aren't purely mechanical.

I suspect Thegoal is being truthful but just doesn't know what we mean by "purely mechanical".

Unfortunately different terms mean different things to different people.

Thegoal, 2Hi simply means your highest bet is 2. I'm a fan of 2Hi systems. I can probably get someone to go with you and check you out if you are interested. A,C.? Did you say?

If purely mechanical means doing the same exact thing, under the same exact conditions each shoe, then, no, that's not my system. The shoe's outcomes sort of guide the betting scheme and bet selection.

OK, then maybe we've got something interesting here! If you want, my guys can thoroughly test it for you. - Perhaps even get you a playing partner. I can arrange a two month comp for you on my forum. Experts will thoroughly test it at my say so. That should be enough time. If it checks out we can make the comp permanent. You can have your pick of playing partners. How's that?

If it turns out its something we are already doing, no problem. - we like to have members with good design skills anyway.

You can PM me right here on this forum. All I'll need is the user name you want to use on my forum so I can make the comp arrangements. You can use the same name if you want. Most from this forum use a different name on my forum, but not all. My forum is beatthecasino.com

You've got nothing to lose.

Thegoal,

If you have a working system and win 20 unit (you said bet $25 and win $500) every time you step into the casino, then my suggestion is to play part time and slowly build up your bankroll. After 6 mths, up your unit size and in 2-3 years times, you can easily have $20-$30 grand bankroll. Quit your day job after that and go full time, and you are looking at $15K and above kind of income per month.

Now, let's say if you are so confident you can make $500 every times, then, try it out for 1 month full time, that is $500x30 days, $15k per month, should be more than enough to feed your wife and kids, right?

As for finding a partner to bankroll you, quit that idea. If everything goes well and everyone make money, then it is okay, if not, you are heading into big trouble. It can cost you a hand or a leg, why take that risk?

Originally Posted by Ellis

OK, then maybe we've got something interesting here! If you want, my guys can thoroughly test it for you. - Perhaps even get you a playing partner. I can arrange a two month comp for you on my forum. Experts will thoroughly test it at my say so. That should be enough time. If it checks out we can make the comp permanent. You can have your pick of playing partners. How's that?

If it turns out its something we are already doing, no problem. - we like to have members with good design skills anyway.

You can PM me right here on this forum. All I'll need is the user name you want to use on my forum so I can make the comp arrangements. You can use the same name if you want. Most from this forum use a different name on my forum, but not all. My forum is beatthecasino.com

You've got nothing to lose.

Ellis, did I read wrongly? Where is the experts you are talking about? From your forum? Now, those guys pay a monthly fee to you to learn about baccarat and they are experts? LOL

And talking about comp, seriously, I don't see what benefits Thegoal get beside the 2 mths comp. You get to know about his system and what will he benefit?

Originally Posted by Bryan

Ellis, did I read wrongly? Where is the experts you are talking about? From your forum? Now, those guys pay a monthly fee to you to learn about baccarat and they are experts? LOL

And talking about comp, seriously, I don't see what benefits Thegoal get beside the 2 mths comp. You get to know about his system and what will he benefit?

LOL.. good point. He said he can pick player partner there, didn't he...lol

As I've said before, we have several instructors on my forum and several computer testers. Some have been with me 20 years or more. They don't pay a monthly tuition, of course.

We already have several casino proven 2 Hi systems that we teach but we are always interested in other successful systems. Plus we can supply table selection recommendations to Thegoals system which will improve his performance and profits. Also, he may like some of our systems better. The more systems you know the better off you are.

But I agree with you, as I've told him, that he doesn't really need a partner. Nevertheless we have plenty of AC players if he still wants a partner. Up to him.

Most of the guys who post on this forum are also members of my forum. But most don't want it known that they are members of my forum because they don't want to take the abuse that AD takes from non members who therefore have no idea of what they are talking about.

However most from here who join my forum never post here again.

Why don't you let the guy make up his own mind? He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Originally Posted by Ellis

As I've said before, we have several instructors on my forum and several computer testers. Some have been with me 20 years or more. They don't pay a monthly tuition, of course.
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However most from here who join my forum never post here again.

I am not questioning your computer testers capabilities but if they really proved some literally winning system of yours, why don't you just post a statistical result here. If it is the case, by doing this will only do good and get more customers to your no-risk business. But you never ever posted serious and convinced data here or at your BTC, why? The only answer I don't need to put, everyone can deduce. You just keep inventing a new system every one or two months, letting your members to test, telling only winning stories, never evaluate yours systems objectively.

I was the guy who ever wanted to join BTC but when I been there for a few weeks I never post there again.

Flavor of the month. user

Originally Posted by Ellis

It's a moot question joshky, because there is none. It is a mathematical impossibility. However I think both Thegoal and ayuinca are right. I think we have a slight semantics problem here. I suspect Thegoal's system is NOT purely mechanical but has some type of follow the shoe qualities. I know for a fact that 2Hi systems can indeed produce those kinds of results. We teach several. But they aren't purely mechanical.

I suspect Thegoal is being truthful but just doesn't know what we mean by "purely mechanical".

Unfortunately different terms mean different things to different people.

Thegoal, 2Hi simply means your highest bet is 2. I'm a fan of 2Hi systems. I can probably get someone to go with you and check you out if you are interested. A,C.? Did you say?

Purely mechanical, a mimimum 15 units per shoe for every 10 you play, how much would you pay for it.

Originally Posted by joshky

Purely mechanical, a mimimum 15 units per shoe for every 10 you play, how much would you pay for it.

joshky, watch my lips this time. There is no such thing as a purely mechanical system that wins long term W/O betting a huge high risk progression. You can only win by playing the shoe at hand. That is NOT purely mechanical. I wouldn't pay anything for it. Neither should you. It doesn't exist.