Thread: Win and parlay

Hi there,

You know I am an amatour player, very beginner and try to learn the game. I have bad experience with Martingale I lost my whole bankroll one night in the casino....since then I am looking for better money management systems and did not play. I came accross a site which is full of this...I have done a previous post and gave the url, but it was not published, so who is interested send a private message and I will send the link...

One of the strategies is using the following progression and then parlay it (leave your winnings with your original stake on the table placed 1 unit won 1 unit, leave two units on the table)..I was suprised that it works very well on baccarat...

Here is the progression it is negative so if you lost then you put the next one

1-1-2-2-3-4-5-7-9-12-16-22-29-39-52-69-92-123 A total of 488 units.

In practice I put on 12 the most...have not test it on live game yet, only against RNG...

I hope it is clear what I wrote again for beginners like me...
start with one unit if win put two units, if lost put one unit again following the progression, if lost put two units, if win leave 4 units on the table...and so on...

With a good bet selection it is quite good...

Anyway there are more systems on the website like Beresford progression, Garcia system, Hollandish system and so on...

It is a shame that I cant share the link on public forum, so If you are interested I email the link....

Bambura

I have used this progression with success. After 3 losses stop betting and wait for a win, then resume with your next bet. Another parlay progression is 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5

make sure play reverse progressive...

100% of people.. will lose their bankroll soon or later...

i mean this is my question... say you wait for 4 player and start betting on banker.... say 7 times.. you have 7 chance... well, should be pretty good odds right?

most people lose before they double the bankroll.. will hit the wall....

that's how most of peoople lose big money....

I do not wait for paperwin, nor wait for the inbalances between player and banker...

I have a different bet selection strategy, which works quite well.. It is a system called Shanghai system. I am not sure I can share this as it is a licenced strategy what is sold on the market...

I did not buy it however, eirescott had a post, where he uploaded to the internet like 60-70 different baccarat systems.

I went through his folder, and found the Shanghai system the best selection....

So if you need the information just select in the search options eriescott posts and you will find the info on this forum..

I find this win and parlay much better than the losing Martingale, as you play with the casino money..

Also modified the progression, so whenever a WW occures, then all loss is covered, plus I am up with 1 or two units...

I am still testing it...I want to go to the casino next time as a winner...

Bambura

I don't think that the Shanghai system was ever sold on the "market." I think that it was posted on an internet forum about ten years ago and floated around on many forums, eventually ending up on the "Swapme" site (which does include some copyrighted systems), which is the collection which eriescott posted (I bought that same cd from swapme about 7 years ago). I don't think the Shanghai "method" was ever sold anywhere as a copyrighted system.

I have read over the "Shanghai" system several times, as I said, years ago, and can't make heads or tails of it.... it seems like you are betting against a pattern. But, I'm not sure how to do that. Perhaps you might explain it a little bit better than that original posting did. Here is that explanation:

Here are the "Shanghai" rules-- Bet against a pattern of 1-2-3. Example: B-PP-BBB or P-BB-PPP.

Whatever the first hand is (B or P), you follow the same side to prevent a single 1. If you win the bet, follow the side for as long as it goes. If you lost the 1st bet, now you have 1-1 and would bet against the hand that won to prevent 1-2. If you lost that bet, you would follow the side of the 2 for as long as it goes. If you won against the 1-1, you still have 1-1 and you continue to bet opposite to keep the 2nd 1 from becoming a 2.

Continue betting for the zig-zag, for as long as it continues. It will always end as 1-2 and you will follow the 2 for as long as it goes. If the 1-2 becomes 1-2-1, you bet opposite to prevent 1-2-3. If you win the 1st or 2nd bet to prevent the 3, from happening, follow that side for as long as it goes. If you lose all 3 bets to prevent the 3, follow the 3 for as long as it goes.

If you have 1-2-1 you bet opposite to prevent going to 3 and win, you follow as long as it goes, but if you won the opposite to prevent the 3, but then lost the very next bet, you would have 1-2-1-1 and have either the beginning of a new 1-2-3 or it could be interpreted as 1-1 and you "could" bet against the 2nd 1 becoming a 2. I am playing that the 2nd 1 is the beginning of a new 1-2-3 and I am following the side of the last 1.

Could you explain in your own words how you are betting? That "Shanghai" posting (above) is a very convoluted explanation.

hi polemic

I made little modofication to the system, because of the lot of 1s in the shoe....

So you can write of a shoe the following way...



P1B1P4B2P5B1P1B2P2 and so on....

Shanghai system says that you will never get this pattern in the shoe that P1B2P3B4 or P1B1P2B2P3B3P4B4

Yesterday I was in live casino and the first pattern has occurd, so I am suggessting to play the second patter which is

PBPPBBPPPBBBPPPPBBBBB

To get used to it you need to repeat sentences...thats how I do it..

So example

First hand lets say P

To make it one you bet B
(thats my modification, original says TO AVOID TO BE ONE ;so you bet P again, that the one would be two)

Lets say we have a lost so the pattern is PB

If you use my modification you would win it, whenever you win you just leave the bet on that side till you lost, then start over again

So we are PB original: to avoid to be one you bet B
modification To make it one you bet P

Lets say it is PBP so 11 next on the system is 2 or BB
we want to avoid that it would be two so we bet that it will be one or it would be three you bet on PBP----P it comes to PBPB to avoid to be two you bet PBPB-----P lets say you lost and it is PBPBB to avoid to be two you bet B so it would be PBPBBB, but you lost so it is PBPPBBP

again you avoid to be two, so you bet on B, but suppose you lost

so it is PBPPBB, now you bet a B again to make it three, but lost so, now avoid the three PPP pattern to occur,

I hope it makes a little sence, It takes time to get used to it, just Tell the sentence to AVOID TO BE ONE ;So I put on this, Two avoid to be two so I bet on this...and follow the PBPPBBPPPBBBPPPPPBBBBB pattern

If you win leave your bets on that side and play till you lose...when you lose play again to avoid to be ONE, or if you test mine make it one...

and so on follow the shanghai pattern..

I did the modification to the ones, because you often get this pattern

11135111, so why not profit from it....

Thats my understanding of the system. I hope I am right...in reality against RNG works fine, in live just yeterday saw the 1234 pattern in real live shoe, thats why I suggested the second pattern to use 11223344
I would say that in unlikely to happen in a live shoe...

Bambura

hey there thanks for information..

well, but problem is that though.. if you get 1-1-2-2- you still lose... even you win at 3... 1-1-2-2- is common thing to happen....

how much did you win with this system?

thanks

I would like to look up eriescott old posts. Does anyone know how to look up old posts?

Hi Joker,

I have not win with it yet...I had lost with a Martingale last time in the casino a lot... since then I am not playing, but working on something better.....

I test this Shanghai system with the Win and parlay progression, plus the pluscoup progression...

This sequence will recover all your losses accumulated plus give you one or two units extra..1 1 1 2 2 3 4 5 7 9 12 16 22 29 36 48.......

If you lost the parlay then move to next number, as well as when you lose the bet...

Anybody interested to test against RNG another idea? If yes pm me

I would like to play against RNG as there are more longer runs, which is very good for parlay...

Click here to find all posts by eirescott:

http://baccaratforums.com/search.php?searchid=8678

Just occurd to me if you use the 12345

PBBPPPBBBBPPPPP it will not occur or even 123456 will not ever occur in live game, so in this case you can use the first method in Shanghai system instead of 11223344

It is probabilities and I am sure that there are quite a lot maths geek on this site to know which is more probable to occur.....

the whole secret is in money management, which I am trying to find to go with it...martingale is the worst...the win and parlay slow growth but growth...

now i am trying it with hollandish system which i will post in new thread...

see this is what i am talking about... you last a lot using this progressive?

imaging if you were using opposite of this system..... and double up if you win.. you would won a lot.. even you lose ,,, you lose small....

any sytem is great.. i usually play opposite of it.... so funny thing about casino... i have so many expeeriece... rare things such as 12345 does happen so quickly when you betting against... don't know.. wether casino has power to cheat or not but it happens so many times...