System Test Thread: Summary with Statistics on Various Systems

[ADulay]

Shanghai System

Total 1-2-3 Patterns: 5426 (0.5426/shoe)

Ptn Amnt. Shoes
0________5690
1________3330
2_________837
3_________124
4___________9
5___________1
6___________0
7___________0

I can see there are 5690 shoes do not have a 1-2-3 pattern and there are total 5426 1-2-3 patterns that make 0.5426 per shoe; that is 0.5426*6=3.26 unit lost per shoe but not count in the win yet. Next one I will code in the rules to explore how capable the system is to win.

Ayuinca,

Hi. I'm very familiar with the Shanghai and a variant of it.

For some reason, that number just "seems" a bit low. Were the calculations set for reading a 1,2,3 pattern or for a 1,2,3 and up pattern?

What I'm attempting to ask is if the program was also looking for a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 or 1,2,anything 3 and larger? All of those would be in the finite set of 1,2,3.

Thanks in advance.

AD

[ayuinca]

The order is 1-2-3. I don't know what about 3-2-1 or 2-1-3 or else. We can try any way. Since it's a 6-hand pattern I believe the probabilities are same.

Despite of different bet placement, to whatever system you have on hand you certainly want to have a few shoes for try, right? You do it manually; I just put it to the computer let it do the job for me. Meanwhile, computer can help me try much more shoes and even I can feed it land casino shoes. So, in what point it's waste of time, contrarily, it saves me a lot of time.

A math teacher believe statistics is no good for gambling. What a joke.

[ayuinca]

Ayuinca,

What I'm attempting to ask is if the program was also looking for a 1,2,4 or 1,2,5 or 1,2,anything 3 and larger? All of those would be in the finite set of 1,2,3.

AD

Initially I think I have not completely done the betting flow chart for the program but looked for the pattern 1-2-3 which is much easier so I do this part first. Yes, the program only counts 1-2-3 (i.e. P-BB-PPP or B-PP-BBB) because I just intent to find out its frequency in a shoe. Once there is a 1-2-3 there is a lost 6 units, right? I think 1-2-4, 1-2-5..., 1-2-X(x>3) is about how much can win, correct? I leave it to the betting test.

I ran 500,000 shoes on it.
Total 1-2-3 Patterns:270613 (0.5412/shoe)
Ptn Amnt. Shoes
0________285638
1________165469
2_________42172
3__________6124
4___________559
5____________36
6_____________2
7_____________0

Similar result. Good to have over half (57.13%) shoes do not have 1-2-3 pattern. It matches the probability assumption. Just have no clue how much it can win per shoe. If it can win more than 4 units per shoe I will say fine.

Thank you for reply Adulay, need some of your comment on how much can it win per shoe according your experince on this system before I put it betting test. Thanks.

BTW, I have checked the code find no bug. The result should be valid. I attach 10 shoes sample here.

[ayuinca]

A little bit confusing how the system places bet. See if I am right as followed.

For example, just have a B after a nS(n>1), i.e.

A)..PP B, bet B to break 1S of B to form
(1) if win get ..PP B B then follw the run keep betting B until a lose;
(2) if lost get ..PP B P then go to B);

B)..PP B P, bet B to break 2S of PP to form
(1) if win get ..PP B P B then follow the zip-zap until a lose then C);
(2) if lost get ..PP B P P then follow the run keep betting P until a lose;

C) ..PP B P B P... P B B The underline B is the lost then become a 1-2 (the zip-zap has to end somewhere, either end with BB or PP) then go to D);

D) continue bet B as it says follow the 2
(1) if win keep betting until a lose, e.g. ..PP B P B P... P B B B...B B P the last P is the lost;
(2) if lose right after the bet B, i.e. get ..PP B P B P... P B B P, the last 4-hand is a 1-2-1 then go to E);

E)to prevent the 1-2-1 become 1-2-3 it bets B
(1) if win get ..PP B P B P... P B B P B. From here it says 'follow as long as it goes', I don't know it's to bet B make it a streak or to bet P make it a zip-zap. go to F);
(2)if lose get ..PP B P B P... P B B P P. From here it says nothing what next to bet;

F)since E) (1) I am not sure the next bet is B or P so I can't go on.

Any idea?

[ayuinca]

Ok, it's the additional paragraph makes me confused. Let me redo E) and resume from there.

E)to prevent the 1-2-1 become 1-2-3 it bets B
(1) if win get ..PP B P B P... P B B P B then follow the win side B until a lose;
(2) if lose get ..PP B P B P... P B B P P then make one more bet to prevent the 3.

F)bet B after ..PP B P B P... P B B P P
(1) if win get ..PP B P B P... P B B P P B then follow the win side B until a lose;
(2) if lose get ..PP B P B P... P B B P P P. The pattern fails us, then follow the 3 until a lose.

[ayuinca]

Now there is one puzzle pops up at B) (2)
B)..PP B P, bet B to break 2S of PP to form
(2) if lost get ..PP B P P then follow the run keep betting P until a lose;

What if the next bet P is lost? It seems at B)(2) it's a 1-2 then we bet P to prevent the 1-2-3, if lose we get ..PP B P P B. It's a premature of 1-2-3. From here we should lead it to E).

Look not too difficult to play on hand but not easy to code in program...lol

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Here is the rule description:

Here are the rules--
Bet against a pattern of 1-2-3. Example: B-PP-BBB or P-BB-PPP.
Whatever the first hand is (B or P), you follow the same side to
prevent a single 1. If you win the bet, follow the side for as long as it
goes. If you lost the 1st bet, now you have 1-1 and would bet against
the hand that won to prevent 1-2. If you lost that bet, you would
follow the side of the 2 for as long as it goes. If you won against the 1-
1, you still have 1-1 and you continue to bet opposite to keep the 2nd
1 from becoming a 2. Continue betting for the zig-zag, for as long as it
continues. It will always end as 1-2 and you will follow the 2 for as
long as it goes. If the 1-2 becomes 1-2-1, you bet opposite to prevent 1-
2-3. If you win the 1st or 2nd bet to prevent the 3, from happening,
follow that side for as long as it goes. If you lose all 3 bets to prevent
the 3, follow the 3 for as long as it goes.

[garnabby]

Now you be quiet.

Didn't I teach you better manners than that?

And stop posting from my computer when I'm away at work.

You have your own in the basement next to your bed, so use that one.

Mom

Mike,

Please remove that person's account(s) here... it's only johno (, John on this site,) who began posting the same nonsense over at www.sniperbaccarat.com .

John1234 replied there,

"----- Original Message -----
From: John
To: Michelle and/or Mark
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks for your co-operation.


I don't really think that you are to blame..he was starting it. I am keeping a very close eye on him. I noticed that he is registered under 3 names. If he does anything else, even if it is relating to you then I will probably ban him."

__________________________________________________ ____________
No johno, you aren't me or my mother... nor ought you waste any more of your "precious" time trying to discredit someone such as myself (by whichever means), whose contributions here and there continue to stand above any and all open and reasonable reproach.

Thanks again to Mike, for providing this free and public board, for those who want "to get on with it"... in whichever way(s) they see fit.

[pitty1]

Thanks for sharing Ayuinca...i was checking the" shanghai" on some ol scorecards...(would be alot of waiting for a 1-2-3 pattern if any to come up )...look like u might put alot of time in statisticating this method..but hey a win is a win..If you have the time..Please feel free to run my system thru the gauntlet..I call it "Johno1"..My method birthed from 90 bac shoes he post on GG awhile back..(said something like there was a winning system in it)..But i did like how he organized the decisions in 4 per row columns Ex.
p p b
p b b
b p p
p p b
I'll track a whole shoe on the scorecard like this and wait for my triggers..
My triggers goes like this..
Each row(top to bottom) i track as "follow the last 2 bets" per row only.
The first row i'll follow the pp and it hits on the fourth decision.
Next row i got a hit on the third decision...a P..(these are paper bets waiting for my trigger.)Even if it hits on the third decision in the row i will still go 4 per row.
I wait for a row to miss.. like below..(A TRIGGER..)
b
b
p
p
Then skip the 2nd row completely..but track and write it on scorecard..The third row,I'll Real bet for one decision to repeat.(of that missed row i call a trigger). 4 step progression if thats what it takes.. starting my bet from the first decision on down to the fourth... in the last row here..
b b b
b b b
p p b
p p p
It's gone to the fourth bet at times...looks easy to program. give er a wirl..SHOW ME THE MONEY...thanks
Disclaimer: don't go for the easy hits per row... as sure as they will chomp ur arse...

[ayuinca]

Can any one who used or is still playing this system post a shoe here for sample? I am trying it on paper and find that I have to bet every hand of the shoe except the very first hand.

After a few shoes manual tries, I don't have a good feeling on this system. Although the pattern 1-2-3 is not aboundant, playing against the most proportion of event 1S is not quite make sense to me. For example once comes a Player I will bet Player to prevent it becoming a 1S. So most time it seems that I am not playing against the whole pattern 1-2-3 but playing against the 1S and 2S (1S and 2S nearly make up of 75% the events, make sense if play against them?). Therefor the actually play has little to do with pattern 1-2-3 at all.

By doing this on 1S I only max. have 50% win rate so could not compensate the commission. Then the winning has to rely on long zip-zap and long streak, which are less proportion events. Still not makes sense to me. Shall I continue the test?

[edwardng]

Now there is one puzzle pops up at B) (2)
B)..PP B P, bet B to break 2S of PP to form
(2) if lost get ..PP B P P then follow the run keep betting P until a lose;

What if the next bet P is lost? It seems at B)(2) it's a 1-2 then we bet P to prevent the 1-2-3, if lose we get ..PP B P P B. It's a premature of 1-2-3. From here we should lead it to E).

Look not too difficult to play on hand but not easy to code in program...lol

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Here is the rule description:

Here are the rules--
Bet against a pattern of 1-2-3. Example: B-PP-BBB or P-BB-PPP.
Whatever the first hand is (B or P), you follow the same side to
prevent a single 1. If you win the bet, follow the side for as long as it
goes. If you lost the 1st bet, now you have 1-1 and would bet against
the hand that won to prevent 1-2. If you lost that bet, you would
follow the side of the 2 for as long as it goes. If you won against the 1-
1, you still have 1-1 and you continue to bet opposite to keep the 2nd
1 from becoming a 2. Continue betting for the zig-zag, for as long as it
continues. It will always end as 1-2 and you will follow the 2 for as
long as it goes. If the 1-2 becomes 1-2-1, you bet opposite to prevent 1-
2-3. If you win the 1st or 2nd bet to prevent the 3, from happening,
follow that side for as long as it goes. If you lose all 3 bets to prevent
the 3, follow the 3 for as long as it goes.

this rule is always being played in asian casinos, the danger in this rule is continuous ppbbppbb or bbppbbpp that is the enemy of this rule other than that it is a win win if you play marty

[ayuinca]

Thanks, edward, I do think it plays against the pattern 1-2-3 but actually it does not; and suppose a shoe without the pattern will have a positive win. when I play a shoe and realise it has little to do with the pattern. So I guess I put a halt on this one.

[ayuinca]

Thanks for sharing Ayuinca...i was checking the" shanghai" on some ol scorecards...(would be alot of waiting for a 1-2-3 pattern if any to come up )...look like u might put alot of time in statisticating this method..but hey a win is a win..If you have the time..Please feel free to run my system thru the gauntlet..I call it "Johno1"..My method birthed from 90 bac shoes he post on GG awhile back..(said something like there was a winning system in it)..But i did like how he organized the decisions in 4 per row columns Ex.
p p b
p b b
b p p
p p b
I'll track a whole shoe on the scorecard like this and wait for my triggers..
My triggers goes like this..
Each row(top to bottom) i track as "follow the last 2 bets" per row only.
The first row i'll follow the pp and it hits on the fourth decision.
Next row i got a hit on the third decision...a P..(these are paper bets waiting for my trigger.)Even if it hits on the third decision in the row i will still go 4 per row.
I wait for a row to miss.. like below..(A TRIGGER..)
b
b
p
p
Then skip the 2nd row completely..but track and write it on scorecard..The third row,I'll Real bet for one decision to repeat.(of that missed row i call a trigger). 4 step progression if thats what it takes.. starting my bet from the first decision on down to the fourth... in the last row here..
b b b
b b b
p p b
p p p
It's gone to the fourth bet at times...looks easy to program. give er a wirl..SHOW ME THE MONEY...thanks
Disclaimer: don't go for the easy hits per row... as sure as they will chomp ur arse...

Really thank you Pitty but I am reading hard and still not understand how you play. When you say row I guess you mean column. What you mean "follow the last 2 bets"? What is a miss row?

[edwardng]

in any rule, casino always takes the opposite, so, if you think you have a good rule, haha the casino also has a same good rule against you, i have lost a fortune to these casino, i am looking for a rule, system, pattern etc to win back, but i think there is no such things. please remember whatever, you stake, casino stakes opposite you

[pitty1]

Hi Ayuinca,yes to column..sorry my saying follow last 2 bets is not clear..kinda like B4TLB..but try to clearify for progamming.here goes..
4 results..
BPPP
step 1=B
step 2=P
step 3=P
step4=P
Did step 3=step 1? no
Did step 4 =step2? yes
Always compare step 3 to step 1 and step 4 to step 2 to see if u get a match (follow last 2) if u do.. move on to the next 4 results
next 4 results..
PBPB
step1=P
step2=B
step3=P
step 4=B
Did step 3 = step1? yes..Next 4 results..(step 4 hit too but don't matter as long as you get a match...you move on to the next 4 results..)
PPBB
step1=P
step2=P
step3=B
step 4=B
Did step 3=step1? no
Did step 4= step2?no
This is A TRIGGER..This pattern will be used to bet on..(PPBB)
ok..run next 4 results
BPPB...Do nothing..basically a skip.and always skip the 4 results after a trigger pattern.(reason.. to work out of a losing streak)
O.K.the next 4 results.. will u be betting for a match within 4 tries
PBBP
Did trigger step 1 P= step 1 of last 4 results? a P..yes equals win..
then u continue runs of 4 result until u get another trigger to bet on..
scorecard looks like this
B P P B P
P B P P B
P P B P B
P B B B P
thanks..

[ayuinca]

Very well Pitty, each trigger has a 4-hand target, how do you bet them? Flat bet or 1,2,4,8? or else?

[ayuinca]

The first thing I want to find out how many sections per shoe and how many section lost per shoe. Then compare these to random bets.

A lost section means all 4 bets are lost.

I ran 10,000 shoes and have this:
Total Sections: 25360 (2.536/shoe)
Total Lost Sections: 1592 (0.01592/shoe)
Non-Lost/LostSection: 14.93

Is this having any advantage over random bets? If B/P is 50/50, the probability for 4 bets lost in a row is 0.5^4=0.0625, so within 25360 sections (each one has 4 bets), there will be 25360*0.0625=1585 sections lost. If my math is correct, I am afraid it still could not overcome the house. If I play with Marty 1,2,4,8 and only bet on Player then I have (25360-1592*15)/10000=0.148 unit win per shoe. But how to bet only Player since the target is short.

Approximately very 15 section I will encounter 1 lost section. It's close to even if play Martg 1-2-4-8 because a lost section costs 15 units. So I will lose the commission. Put in your subjective decisions to lower lost section rate. This is the only way to win for some ones, isn't this?

My idea of this system is to make the target longer and bet only on Player.

Here attach 100 shoes sample played.

[pitty1]

Hi ayunica..Thanks much for ur statistic research on my "johno1" method.Ur advice and comments are taken with much consideration..Good stuff man.
Now i have some kind of baseline like what are my odds..1 loss out of every 15"sections" that i'll lose my 4 step bet kinda looks scary but i look at it this way..I play live and make it thru two shoes a night..(about three hours for an early exit) thats about 50 to 60 shoes a month blah blah..10,000 shoes about 10 years or more of live play the way i'm goin..In a shoe i get at least 1 trigger(there are more at times) ..now i see whats based on statistics..at that very moment.. i got a 14 to 1 in my favor of a win with 4 bets.because statistics say 1 out of 15 section to lose..I have more confidence now to go for the forth bet if i have too..adding coolness..i'll play the 3rd,4th step(up to 2 bets) of each section to accumulate wins until i get my "trigger".then go for the money shot..to save my accumulated wins.. and with a little luck that 1 loss out of 15 will not occur..stop with wins..thanks for reading my future...

[Archer]

thanks for reading my future...

LOL, funny line - good one!

A

[hlkhoo]

Hi ayunica..Thanks much for ur statistic research on my "johno1" method.Ur advice and comments are taken with much consideration..Good stuff man.
Now i have some kind of baseline like what are my odds..1 loss out of every 15"sections" that i'll lose my 4 step bet kinda looks scary but i look at it this way..I play live and make it thru two shoes a night..(about three hours for an early exit) thats about 50 to 60 shoes a month blah blah..10,000 shoes about 10 years or more of live play the way i'm goin..In a shoe i get at least 1 trigger(there are more at times) ..now i see whats based on statistics..at that very moment.. i got a 14 to 1 in my favor of a win with 4 bets.because statistics say 1 out of 15 section to lose..I have more confidence now to go for the forth bet if i have too..adding coolness..i'll play the 3rd,4th step(up to 2 bets) of each section to accumulate wins until i get my "trigger".then go for the money shot..to save my accumulated wins.. and with a little luck that 1 loss out of 15 will not occur..stop with wins..thanks for reading my future...

Pitty1,
Not so fast. I've tried something like yours some years ago. I got off the idea from Izak "Magic 5" system and I did some fine tuning. Instead of 4 pattern, mine was based on 5. What I did previously I gathered 10 sets of 5 patterns i.e. PPBBP (1st set), PBPBB (2nd set), PPPBB (3rd set) and so on. Well, these are not just any random 5 patterns. I run some test over few thousands shoes and I pick the least occurrence of certain 5 patterns. You may say they are 50-50 but based on my stats, some patterns do appear in lesser frequency e.g. PPPBB (very common). PBPBB (less common as compared with PPPBB). Anyway, this is just the stats from my end.
Now, you mentioned you have 14 to 1 in your favor and frankly, when I started my method of play, I have the same thinking too. As for me, I will have 32 to 1 in my favor. But I was wrong. I was winning steadily for a couple of months until the losing streaks came along and wipe out everything I'd accumulated so far.
One thing I overlooked that time was that our nemesis patterns may come sooner than expected - there isn't a time frame. Losing the so call 32 to 1 favor may happen anytime. It can happen now, tomorrow and for the next 7 or 8 days. What I trying to point out here, even though you have 14 to 1 in your favor, you may be experiencing lots of losing streaks up-front should your nemesis patterns came along.

[pitty1]

Hi hikoo,thanks for u word of caution..but i do not see any comparison of a "Izak5" to my" johno1" method."Johno1" betting is not based on predetermined patterns used as triggers but goes by the flow of random events occuring within the shoe played..In fact...I don't think one izak ideal at all that could be similar to my johno1 method.That would be like nature working against itself.Thanks for sharing

[pitty1]

hi John, ok heres how i like to play it..(The Johno1)
i track my score card in columns..track shoe as such..
whats going on in a column..

B no bet
P no bet
B ..I bet 3rd decision follows 1st ..(This bet wins.. stop betting)
B..I bet 4th decision follows 2nd

Example: monday nite...live 8 deck..auto shuffle..
B P B P B P P P B B P B B P B P B P
P P B P P B B P B B B B P B B B B B
B P B B P P B P P P B B B P P B P B
B B B B B B P B P B B P P B P B P B

1st colmn...won 1st bet on 3rd decision..done betting this column.
2nd colmn..won 1st bet on 3rd decision..onto next column
3rd colmn..won 1st bet on 3rd decision..onto next colmn
4th colmn..lost 1st and 2nd bet..(a trigger to skip a colmn)
5th colmn...skip
6th colmn..bet on all 4 decisions in this column..vs results of 4th colmn... won first bet and stop bet.
7th colmn.lost 3rd&4th..skip next column.
8 colmn..no bets
9th colmn..won on 2nd bet..
10th colmn..won on 2nd bet.(4th decision)
11th colmn..won on 2nd bet
13th colmn..won 1st bet(3rd decision)
14th colmn..won 1st bet(3rd decision)
15th colmn..lost both bets...skip next colmn.
16th colmn..skip
17thcolmn..won first bet...1st decision
18th colmn...won 2nd bet(4th decision)

2nd shoe that nite was much easier.
B P P B P P P P B B
B P P B B B B B P B
P P P B B P P B B B
B B B B B P B P B B

[pitty1]

Hi johno..thanks for ur observation..and yes the goosey 2 are there to lure u in..I just use em to accumulate wins while waiting for my 2 miss trigger..then take a crack at the 14 to 1 advantage bet..if thats not good enough to risk a 4 step bet.. then hedge on opposite dragon bonus..If garnnaby posted 90 bac shoes suggesting to track shoes in columns.. then i would of called it the "GB1"..other than that..it remains as johno1..thanks king..
Last nite shoe..8 deck..auto shuffle
( i'll recap and post horizontal for space and time)
PPBP(W)
BPPP(W)
BPBP(w)
PPPP(W)
BBPB(W)
BBPP(miss)
PBBB(skipped)
PBBP(won 2nd bet)
PBPB(W)
PBBB(W)
BBPP (missed)
PBBB(skipped)
BPBB(won 1st bet)
PPPB(W)
if u can't develop a MM or exit approach..then no system will save ur arse..

[pitty1]

Thnxs john..yeah it's not a flat bet/ ride a streak style system..(Compared to a whole shoe,most streaks are short runs anyhow).And I didn't post this as a grail for all to play.. but was a little surprised with ayuincas results on the 2 miss triggers.I am comfortable such statistics match the system.. that gives me more confidence(along with the Asians throwing out stacks of greens and blacks) to play it out instead of abandon..A real MM rule will only perfect it..
last nite shoe is what u would want to occur..but promise it don't happen all the time..
horizontal for proper post alignment..
PPBP(W)
BBBP(W)
BBBB(W)
BBBB(W)
BBBP(W)
PPPB(W)
BBBB(W)
PBPP(W)
PPBP(W)
BBBP(W)
PBBP(miss)
BPBP(skipped)
PBBP(hit 1st bet)
PBPB(W)
PPPP(W)
BBBB(W)
PBBB(W)

[pitty1]

With all the distractions of booze n broads around the table.. along with hitting a easy 7..Whispers(or voices in my head) of the 1-3 streak window demands refinements..i'll change the column size from 4 to 3...may make it easier on the pocket..droppin the name.. now is "pitty1" system.(sorry john)
Start with some thing like this...
follow last 3..
BBP
BPP..(win 1st bet)
BPP
PBP..(wins 3rd bet)
BPP
BPB..(wins 1st bet)
BBB
PBP...(wins 2nd bet)
PPP
PBP...(wins 1st bet)
PBP
BPB...(lost)
PPP
BPP...(wins 2nd bet)
2nd shoe
PBB
BBB...(wins 2nd bet)
PBB
BPB...(wins 3rd bet)
PBP
BPB...(lose)
BPB
PPB...(wins 2nd bet)
BPB
BBB..(wins 1st bet)
BPP
BPP...(wins 1st bet)
BBP
BPP..(wins 1st bet)
looks like more winning possibilities had i not skip every three.

[ADulay]

Its nemesis is a limited xooo/oxxx pattern 25% of the time.

Actually I think I see something similar.

Running a "2-Hi" system (max bet is 2) that previously mentioned graphic wins a cool +17 units!

No, it's not an Ellis special so our forum policeman will have nothing to yell about. For any player of the game, the pattern should just jump out at you. I saw it while drinking the morning coffee.

Let me take a look at some old cards and see if it's a viable method for a quick play every now and then.

Like you said, only two things appear to cause it to lose.

AD

[pitty1]

Thanks johno for ur observations..Dbl Zz's..nice.. Got another method in the wait....called GTG1..(grab the Garnaby1)Thanks for sharin Adulay good hits using a 2-hi huh?

[ADulay]

Thanks johno for ur observations..Dbl Zz's..nice.. Got another method in the wait....called GTG1..(grab the Garnaby1)Thanks for sharin Adulay good hits using a 2-hi huh?

Yes, if you'll look at the way you've posted those results.
Take the first hand, skip the second, chase the next two at 1,2. Any win stops play until the next set of 4 starts.

You'll use a base of four hands, just as posted.

I tagged this little system on to my cards from last night's play at the casino and the darn thing won 7 units across two shoes!

Simple, easy, kind of fun, and cheap to play!

As it's a purely mechanical system, it'll even out sooner or later, but in a short run of a few shoes, it'll pick up a few units.

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[pitty1]

Been reading Grab the Gold post.I get the impression he put alot of research into his method..7 years..chit.. that makes a professor out of u in some schools..says alot against the average short shelf life systems that are out there..Haven't cracked his grid sequence yet.. I do tend to agree what he notice about changes that occur in 1,3,5,7,9 hands..GTG challenge the game as of constant changes.. but i see the changes confined to four pair patterns..BB..BP..PP..PB only..with tendencies to trend..His system is based with the change on the 5th occurrence.. I will test on the 3rd banking on a paired decision will trend or not..with a strategy to try and keep within the 1-3 streak window thus a new system in development...I 'll call it.."The Komodo Dragon.."for its stubby steps thru the shoes.. here goes..
BBP
third decision was a p..indicates BB pattern not trending..no play..the hands continues..
BBPP
now u look back at the last pair..a BP..the second P(trigger) indicates the pattern BP is not trending..no play..the hand continues..
BBPPB
again look back at the last pair..PP..no trend..continue..
BBPPBP
alas look back at the last pair..the p triggers a possible PB trend..play it.. bet P
BBPPBPB
No hit...next bet on B
BBPPBPBB
A win.. now look back at the last pair..the B does not indicate a PB trend..no bet continue.
BBPPBPBBP
look back at last pair..BB..the P(trigger) does not indicate a trend..skip bet
BBPPBPBBPB
look back at ur last pair..BP.. the B(trigger) indicates a trend..make bet for B(if miss then the P)
BBPPPPBBPBB
Hits B win...now look back at last pair PB..the B(trigger) indicates no bet..

Hope u see were i'm getting at here as this is boring to type..(another grinder)..I'll give er a try next time i go and post results..thanks..

[ayuinca]

Thank you pitty1 for sharing this but I am bored too and become lazy to test any system now. I have tested one and still doing tested on it with different betting strategy. The best I have is 1124. It's based on a statistics bias from a pattern. Taking advantage of the pattern hope most win on the first bet, and the 2nd to the 4th is to just recover the last bets. If the progression fails, lose 8 units. A little agressive one is 1248 but the statistics show that 1248 will make the SD higher than 1124; and the positive shoe rate turns below 50%. It just implies the risk is much higher than 1124. While 1124 has a positive shoe rate about 53%, and the funny thing is: net win per shoe is 0.2 unit...lol. Not bad to me since it overcome the house and have more than half shoes win. I am trying to play with it but unfortunately all those live bac I want to play at they dont accept US player. So ironic of American democracy. I always believe this is only rich people's democracy.

[ayuinca]

Banker Trigger

Since Bryan has not given me his personal email, I think he does't mind I put sample shoes and the test statistics here because I need him to verify if the play is correct according to his rules; and without the rules I think no one can figure out how is a trigger qualified, and the tirgger in fact still could not work better than the banker probability, i.e. in a long term it has no advantage over the edge.

Here are 5 sets of 10k RNG shoes test:

1) Total Bets: 33881 (3.39/shoe)
Total Shoes Net Win: -534.05 (-0.05/shoe)
Turnover(Net Win/Total Bet): -1.58%

2) Total Bets: 33475 (3.35/shoe)
Total Shoes Net Win: -748.15 (-0.07/shoe)
Turnover(Net Win/Total Bet): -2.23%

3) Total Bets: 33856 (3.39/shoe)
Total Shoes Net Win: -628.00 (-0.06/shoe)
Turnover(Net Win/Total Bet): -1.85%

4) Total Bets: 33742 (3.37/shoe)
Total Shoes Net Win: -441.85 (-0.04/shoe)
Turnover(Net Win/Total Bet): -1.31%

5) Total Bets: 33560 (3.36/shoe)
Total Shoes Net Win: -716.15 (-0.07/shoe)
Turnover(Net Win/Total Bet): -2.13%