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TheArchitect · #1 02-12-2010, 12:51 AM

Since a lot of you guys play at Black Orchid on their live tables, do any of you ever play roulette? I know it's the lease beatable game in the casino but my thoughts are this.

What if we all tracked and logged each number that hit? I already have about 1000 numbers logged, and to have a 95% certainty of a bias, you need 71,000 spins, and to have a 99% certainty, you need 122,500 spins. This of course takes a lot of time, but we're all from different states, countries, time zones, etc.. I would say we could know in about two months if their ONE wheel has a bias, and since they're an internet casino, they would never expect this sort of advantage play.

If you're interested in helping just let me know.

TheArchitect

Bambura · #2 02-13-2010, 01:22 PM

Hi The Architect,

I thought I share with you an idea, what occurd to me playing roulette.

The idea was comming from baccarat, as I prefer that game to roulette, but sometimes still play roulette for fun...

So what if you take the first and second row as banker, the first and second dozens for player...

If you cover 1 and second row with 1 unit , your chances to win is not 50% but 66%, if you play around the idea with different systems, what you use to play baccarat, like follow last decesion, or TB4L, or whichever, you will have better chances then in baccarat, where is 50-50 to get it right....

Obviously, if you have this idea before there is no new thing to you, but thought share it....

Bambura

eirescott · #3 02-13-2010, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheArchitect

Since a lot of you guys play at Black Orchid on their live tables, do any of you ever play roulette? I know it's the lease beatable game in the casino but my thoughts are this.

What if we all tracked and logged each number that hit? I already have about 1000 numbers logged, and to have a 95% certainty of a bias, you need 71,000 spins, and to have a 99% certainty, you need 122,500 spins. This of course takes a lot of time, but we're all from different states, countries, time zones, etc.. I would say we could know in about two months if their ONE wheel has a bias, and since they're an internet casino, they would never expect this sort of advantage play.

If you're interested in helping just let me know.

TheArchitect

First of all you may do better playing in a real casino after having a look at my most recent post to see what I am referring to:
Software Wanted

Now, to specifically address your project - I don't mean to be contradictory - but I think this is a waste of time.

Some posters would leave it at that! I will however explain - since I am not a troll - why.

One obvious possibility is that wheels are changed on a regular basis. Maybe not at this casino - but maybe.

Wheels are often re-calibrated - measured from time to time and adjusted if a level finds them out of sync.

Wheels are cleaned.

Generally speaking, there are many variables that would completely make any and all data before any of the above - or other I may have missed - situations arise.

Less obvious - but equally as possible - the "live" feed from a land based casino may in fact be fraudulent. I don't know of the casino you mentioned - but there is one in Cost Rica that is "live" but you can't actually visit it if you went right to Costa Rica. I would NOT trust this.

Even if you could go to a place that has both live and brick-and-mortar play - AND the feed is of that exact live play - you SHOULD have someone go to this place and play for real to see if that person is on camera while you are playing. Basically verifying that the place is "the place" and it is actually live.

So - I don't mean to burst your idea - it has been done by the way - years ago - and likely to date.

I KNOW that it is possible to clock wheels with software/hardware devices.

What needs to be known is that the software/hardware is scientifically sound, complete and efficient.

I know what the software/hardware needs to have to make it a perfect device - I do NOT know how to program and build such a device of my own. I am left to "trust" a manufacturer who appears legitimate!

TheArchitect · #4 02-13-2010, 07:34 PM

This is a 24/7 live casino that literally has one wheel. The casino is verifiably live as the dealer talk (and flirt) with you real time. I think this type of attack they have not prepared for as B&M casinos have. You are also allowed to play with fun money, so if it holds up once a bias is discovered, you can play with fake to verify, before simply switching to real money.

Anyone who's interested, just simply email me the numbers you obtained and the time/date they were recorded (so we don't overlap). I'm compiling a master sheet that will look for a bias.

TheArchitect

Quote:

Originally Posted by eirescott

First of all you may do better playing in a real casino after having a look at my most recent post to see what I am referring to:
Software Wanted

Now, to specifically address your project - I don't mean to be contradictory - but I think this is a waste of time.

Some posters would leave it at that! I will however explain - since I am not a troll - why.

One obvious possibility is that wheels are changed on a regular basis. Maybe not at this casino - but maybe.

Wheels are often re-calibrated - measured from time to time and adjusted if a level finds them out of sync.

Wheels are cleaned.

Generally speaking, there are many variables that would completely make any and all data before any of the above - or other I may have missed - situations arise.

Less obvious - but equally as possible - the "live" feed from a land based casino may in fact be fraudulent. I don't know of the casino you mentioned - but there is one in Cost Rica that is "live" but you can't actually visit it if you went right to Costa Rica. I would NOT trust this.

Even if you could go to a place that has both live and brick-and-mortar play - AND the feed is of that exact live play - you SHOULD have someone go to this place and play for real to see if that person is on camera while you are playing. Basically verifying that the place is "the place" and it is actually live.

So - I don't mean to burst your idea - it has been done by the way - years ago - and likely to date.

I KNOW that it is possible to clock wheels with software/hardware devices.

What needs to be known is that the software/hardware is scientifically sound, complete and efficient.

I know what the software/hardware needs to have to make it a perfect device - I do NOT know how to program and build such a device of my own. I am left to "trust" a manufacturer who appears legitimate!

TheArchitect · #5 02-13-2010, 07:54 PM

This is a 24/7 live casino that literally has one wheel. The casino is verifiably live as the dealer talk (and flirt) with you real time. I think this type of attack they have not prepared for as B&M casinos have. You are also allowed to play with fun money, so if it holds up once a bias is discovered, you can play with fake to verify, before simply switching to real money.

Anyone who's interested, just simply email me the numbers you obtained and the time/date they were recorded (so we don't overlap). I'm compiling a master sheet that will look for a bias.

TheArchitect

Quote:

Originally Posted by eirescott

First of all you may do better playing in a real casino after having a look at my most recent post to see what I am referring to:
Software Wanted

Now, to specifically address your project - I don't mean to be contradictory - but I think this is a waste of time.

Some posters would leave it at that! I will however explain - since I am not a troll - why.

One obvious possibility is that wheels are changed on a regular basis. Maybe not at this casino - but maybe.

Wheels are often re-calibrated - measured from time to time and adjusted if a level finds them out of sync.

Wheels are cleaned.

Generally speaking, there are many variables that would completely make any and all data before any of the above - or other I may have missed - situations arise.

Less obvious - but equally as possible - the "live" feed from a land based casino may in fact be fraudulent. I don't know of the casino you mentioned - but there is one in Cost Rica that is "live" but you can't actually visit it if you went right to Costa Rica. I would NOT trust this.

Even if you could go to a place that has both live and brick-and-mortar play - AND the feed is of that exact live play - you SHOULD have someone go to this place and play for real to see if that person is on camera while you are playing. Basically verifying that the place is "the place" and it is actually live.

So - I don't mean to burst your idea - it has been done by the way - years ago - and likely to date.

I KNOW that it is possible to clock wheels with software/hardware devices.

What needs to be known is that the software/hardware is scientifically sound, complete and efficient.

I know what the software/hardware needs to have to make it a perfect device - I do NOT know how to program and build such a device of my own. I am left to "trust" a manufacturer who appears legitimate!

leonardong79 · #6 03-06-2010, 03:08 PM

Hi Architect!

Do you know any good online casino offers $1 min bet for roulette? I know one method which can gives about 100% return of the bankroll in 1.5 hr to 2.5 hrs and would love to try them out. Been testing them with live spins without real money. This method requires about 500 units.

Total sets played in a session = 3
Average spins played in one set = 20 - 25 spins

Now I would love to try this method and see if it still gives me gd results or not. So if you know any gd online casino which offers small limit betting on roulette, please pm me.

Cheers,
Leo

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheArchitect

Since a lot of you guys play at Black Orchid on their live tables, do any of you ever play roulette? I know it's the lease beatable game in the casino but my thoughts are this.

What if we all tracked and logged each number that hit? I already have about 1000 numbers logged, and to have a 95% certainty of a bias, you need 71,000 spins, and to have a 99% certainty, you need 122,500 spins. This of course takes a lot of time, but we're all from different states, countries, time zones, etc.. I would say we could know in about two months if their ONE wheel has a bias, and since they're an internet casino, they would never expect this sort of advantage play.

If you're interested in helping just let me know.

TheArchitect