Leo System (Still on Trial)

[leonardong79]

Hi Archer,

I agree with you. That is why we should leave the table or shoe when it is not working out for us. It is a fact that all games in casino have house advantage, no matter how we play. That why there are more losers than winners. The winners usually are the type who know how to control their financial part. They know quit when things are not working on their side. As player, we should try limit the lossess and increase our chances for long term. If not, we must well dun play at all as in long term wise, we will lose. Casino dun not afraid of us win big , they are afraid of people who know when to quit when it is bad or they are well ahead.

A friend of mine worked in a casino in Macau has a high roller customer who bring 1 million (HK) to play every time, and this man has his own system - sort of progessive system. He always leave when he won about the same bankroll or maybe twice but always quit if he lost his bankroll for the session and had been doing for quite some time. My friend' superiors always sweat and having headaches when this customer comes. The reason is that this guy seems to know the traps of chasing losses and benefits of quitting when things just simply dun work out. I think he is a gd example for us to learn, not his system of course (I dun know his system). But his mentality towards the game.

Like my system, if I dun limit to stop at 4 losses in a row, I will get murdrered in no time, maybe less than 20 shoes. This is why i set the rules to stop at 4 straight losses. We have to use the % of appearing even or choppy and winner streaky trends against the losing streaky trends and choose a slight advantage to win. Like your stats or even ayunica stats which i never received, what is the probability of the losing side wins 4 in a row at one shoe? Use that probability * max loss i set at _18 units against the rest of the probability * +10units per shoe *0.95. You will probably see a positive outcome. Unless your records shows more than 35% of your recorded results are to losing side to win 4 straight in the shoe, you will win in the end with a subjective rule like stop at 4 straight losses.

Anyway I trying a improved system as you can see in my other threads. The probability is much higher about 75 % against the 25%. This is based on the stats from the wizard of odd. As his stats he cliamed are based more than a million hands or shoes, this new system should get me a more stable winnings. As i said , it is still on trial as shoes i played is still a relatively small number. But three of our regulars have pm me and they are helping me to test the system as now speaking. I will compare all results before explaining more of it.

We can have disagreements and agreements on some issues but we all here have one wish, is to WIN $$$ from casino in a regular basis.

So any ideas you have please share and discuss, I did try some of the ideas here shared by others. We will eventually find one which works in our beliefs.

Cheers
Leo

[edwardng]

i went back to the new casino in singapore, it was hell, i lost and lost and lost. whatever method i used is not good, in fact following the majority of players is a better system, if you see 90% of the bets are on player better you buy player, even if you lose it is worth it.

[leonardong79]

How many shoes you have played ? Did you stop at 4 straight loss? I and some others are trying my new system, improving here and there and still on trial. I also went down twice to RWS and got profit +112 units for about 20 shoes (8 shoes 1st session and 12 shoes 2nd session) using this trial system (not the new improved system). Rem to stop at 4 straight loss, leave the table or wait for another shoe.

The new improved system is much safer, improving the odds of winning but only around 75% against 25%. Still on trial as no enough shoes to prove its stability yet.

Cheers,
Leo

i went back to the new casino in singapore, it was hell, i lost and lost and lost. whatever method i used is not good, in fact following the majority of players is a better system, if you see 90% of the bets are on player better you buy player, even if you lose it is worth it.

[PoFoMoFo]

thx

[fauzy]

Hi HLKHOO

I think you still can't see my point. I did have encountered the bad shoes, is not only one or two times, maybe twenty or thirty shoes or even more by now. I have stated my rules, if you encountered that, leave the shoe and find another table. And there is at least 10 -20 tables in the casino and the odds of getting all bad shoes in all tables are too slim. If you can find one casino with all tables having bad shoes, I think you should buy lottery. And one session ends bad doesn't mean is a disaster. If not all card counters in bj will not play anymore and casino would not be hostile to them.

in genting casino if you find a new shoe (1st starting), sometime you should wait 1hour

[fauzy]

Is this shoe played correctly according to Leonard's method?

win =35
lose 29

starting from+6

[zachster]

hi

today i went to casino at the tanah merah ferry terminal. i went to play bacarat straight away. I count the last 10 hands and managed to see P is 6 times while B=4 times. so i play PPBPPBPPBPPBPPB then the tide changed to favour B so I changed to BBPBBPBBPBBP 1unit = $50, I managed to win $1200 with no danger of losing, draw down is about $200 then it is all the way up and up. Very good system, i will try again day after tomorrow because tomorrow the ferry is not sailing and will sail eve of cny

tide change i mean the B starts to change to 6 times, so i also change accordingly

edward

ey edward what do you mean by ppb or bbp? you bet this pattern all throughout the shoe? flat bet ot did you do mr leos betting system? hanks man

[fauzy]

Hi Guys! I'm just joined this forum and happy to see different systems suggeted by others. I have one system called Leo system which still in trial. I have used the real live results and get quite good results. Of course will some certain rules I have make myself.

I make a average loss of 12 - 18 units per shoe ( for poor shoe) and get out at +10 to +15 per shoe. Although the max loss may be more than what I get in good shoe. The chances that it happened for me right now is about 1/6 of my shoes. So if 5/6 * average of +10 = +50 - 1/6 * -18= -18. I still win around +32 in 6 shoes which I think is alright for me.

I am happy if any of your guys want to try but please feed back to me and i would like to see if you get the same results as me.

Here is goes:

New shoe: Please see which one have 6 wins 1st and back it for the entire shoe. Note: Pls make sure the difference between banker and player should not be more than 3. 2 is the ideal one. After that, you should be playing the next 15 to 25 hands. (You probably will play 2 -3 sets) Can play more sets in one shoe.

The betting progession should be this :

make five one like this : 1 1 1 1 1 (this consider as 1 set)

always bet the total of extreme left and right units.
If win, cross out the two extremes and it will left 111.
if loss, add the loss no of units to your right.

Keep doing it until you cross out all five ones.
Stop when you encountered four straight losses. Your loss should be be around -12 to -18.
Stop if you encountered the loser is catching up the difference of your side. Eg. B4 play: B+6 P+4 and during play : B+14 P+16. It will probably indicate that this is a bad shoe (85% with my results).
So basically you re expecting to win +5 units per shoe.

I played about 20 shoes each session and averaging 100 units. That is a bit less amount of my Bankroll for the session (becos of 5% banker commision.

This system is based on my 200 shoes (10 session as now)

So guys ... feel free to try my system and let me know if you get where I am.

Cheers,
Leo

I make a mistake in the difference banker and player. The ideal is 4.

Hi sir, Good luck
B6 P4 Beat P if lose B7 P4 lose stop
B5 P4 Beat P if Win B6 P5 win stop wait untill difference 2 (B 8 P6-or B10 P12 vice versa) How sir?

[fauzy]

Hi sir, Good luck
B6 P4 Beat P if lose B7 P4 lose stop
B5 P4 Beat P if Win B6 P5 win stop wait untill difference 2 (B 8 P6-or B10 P12 vice versa) How sir?

good luck !! all

you are right chase untill =0, B+6- P+3 to B 6-P6, 0r to B10-P10 or to B20-P20

4 in a row stop ok good
but i do not understand B 1111,2 #B 11112,3

[fauzy]

Hi HLKHOO,

I have said in my 1st post that the chances of bad shoes based on my records is 1 out of 6 which makes about 16.7%. And you said that out of 70 live shoes, you experienced 3 out of 70 shoes which makes about 4.5%. Your result shows that the bad shoes is appearing lesser than my records which is good.

My 1st post indicate : 5/6 shoes win +10 per shoe - 1/6 shoes loss 18=
+50 - 18 = 32 UNIT

Your result = 67 /70 win (assume +10units per shoe) -max loss (18) * 3=
670 - 54= 616 units

winning units per shoe = 616/70 * 0.95 (banker com) = +8.36units

I have said in my later posts that my system is not 100% winning. This is no such thing yet whether in Baccarat or other games. System can only increase your winning chances. I have said in my system, i do have a 4 lost in a row limit which is a damage control. You can called it money management.

Hope you understand.

Cheers,
leo

Hi sir LEO
1.4 in a row stop, 7 in row we move table ?or wait for another B/P 6 B/P 4 ?
2.PPPBBPPBBPPPP PPP ...counting 8P or 11P ,because 4P no play

[leonardong79]

The 4 limit stop loss is only a temp stop in the shoe. Resume back when the streak break.

[fauzy]

Hi Guys! I'm just joined this forum and happy to see different systems suggeted by others. I have one system called Leo system which still in trial. I have used the real live results and get quite good results. Of course will some certain rules I have make myself.

I make a average loss of 12 - 18 units per shoe ( for poor shoe) and get out at +10 to +15 per shoe. Although the max loss may be more than what I get in good shoe. The chances that it happened for me right now is about 1/6 of my shoes. So if 5/6 * average of +10 = +50 - 1/6 * -18= -18. I still win around +32 in 6 shoes which I think is alright for me.

I am happy if any of your guys want to try but please feed back to me and i would like to see if you get the same results as me.

Here is goes:

New shoe: Please see which one have 6 wins 1st and back it for the entire shoe. Note: Pls make sure the difference between banker and player should not be more than 3. 2 is the ideal one. After that, you should be playing the next 15 to 25 hands. (You probably will play 2 -3 sets) Can play more sets in one shoe.

The betting progession should be this :

make five one like this : 1 1 1 1 1 (this consider as 1 set)

always bet the total of extreme left and right units.
If win, cross out the two extremes and it will left 111.
if loss, add the loss no of units to your right.

Keep doing it until you cross out all five ones.
Stop when you encountered four straight losses. Your loss should be be around -12 to -18.
Stop if you encountered the loser is catching up the difference of your side. Eg. B4 play: B+6 P+4 and during play : B+14 P+16. It will probably indicate that this is a bad shoe (85% with my results).
So basically you re expecting to win +5 units per shoe.

I played about 20 shoes each session and averaging 100 units. That is a bit less amount of my Bankroll for the session (becos of 5% banker commision.

This system is based on my 200 shoes (10 session as now)

So guys ... feel free to try my system and let me know if you get where I am.

Cheers,
Leo

I make a mistake in the difference banker and player. The ideal is 4.

min chase to plus sometime is not easy ,p 10 b 20 become p20 -b32