Thread: "System" by Lyle Stuart: Any Merit?

Hi Guys,

Read a book by Lyle Stuart, he states in his book that there are no systems but he also wrote about a "system" his friend recommended.

Start with $25,50,100,200 if lose 4 in a row, change table or wait for trend to end then $50,75,150,300, same if lose 4 in a row change table or wait for trend to end then $75,100,200,400 then lastly $100,150,300,600. At anytime breaking even at the 2nd,3rd or 4th level, go back to 1st level.

I thought of using this when I see PPP or BBB in a row then bet the opposite. What you guys think?

All comments welcome.

Fann

In another post I mentioned that I was introduced to Lyle Stuart
back in the 1980's. We actually lived in the same town.
I had read his books and really liked them. He was getting into card counting for BJ and I was already in the Griffin Book, so he agreed to a meeting.

Lyle himself played with a three and over rule. Never do Martingales.
He told me (and this is in the book) that he wasted years trying to fight the trend.

As to that system. You are playing with fire.

Hi Prof,

thanks for sharing, I also agree strongly because I had a friend who was winning $130,000 over a period of 3 months and promptly losing it all back in 2 days + his capital amounting to $300,000 by increasing his bet every time his lost. he lost 10 times in a row 3-4 times in that 2 days.

well playing with fire is an understatement.

Fann

Originally Posted by Profbac

In another post I mentioned that I was introduced to Lyle Stuart
back in the 1980's. We actually lived in the same town.
I had read his books and really liked them. He was getting into card counting for BJ and I was already in the Griffin Book, so he agreed to a meeting.

Lyle himself played with a three and over rule. Never do Martingales.
He told me (and this is in the book) that he wasted years trying to fight the trend.

As to that system. You are playing with fire.

Profbac.. That sucks about being in Griffin (of course now it's not a book but a database).

You're in AC (or near right), what's the max +EV you can get in BJ up there with AC rules?

Just out of curiosity..

TheArchitect

Originally Posted by TheArchitect

Profbac.. That sucks about being in Griffin (of course now it's not a book but a database).

You're in AC (or near right), what's the max +EV you can get in BJ up there with AC rules?

Just out of curiosity..

TheArchitect

I don't play blackjack anymore, so I can't give you a good answer.
I could play "for fun" just minimum bets. Frankly, after doing the card counting at a high level, it isn't fun. I am trying to get into poker as a diversion. The tournaments are fun. But BJ is not happening for me.

Having lived in AC and having played the AC BJ game full time for several years I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty - a 4 bet prog is one too many. If you can't beat the table with a 3 bet prog, you aren't going to beat it. Period!

Originally Posted by Ellis

Having lived in AC and having played the AC BJ game full time for several years I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty - a 4 bet prog is one too many. If you can't beat the table with a 3 bet prog, you aren't going to beat it. Period!

Ellis,I am a new member,I had noted several systems of yours ,I am interested in tb4l,otb4l,nu i am a little bit confused.I found the first two suited me,I am a head of $400 playing in Bet365 live baccarat as well as the software.
The thing is I am not discipline in progression,I used to play Martingale.Only luck helped me to be ahead $400 in these 3 days period.
Just a silly question,do you have a certain method to discipline the 3 progression?
I think many other players do the same bad habit as mine,can not control the emotion in the losing period.
Thanks

Originally Posted by bakonlin

Ellis,I am a new member,I had noted several systems of yours ,I am interested in tb4l,otb4l,nu i am a little bit confused.I found the first two suited me,I am a head of $400 playing in Bet365 live baccarat as well as the software.
The thing is I am not discipline in progression,I used to play Martingale.Only luck helped me to be ahead $400 in these 3 days period.
Just a silly question,do you have a certain method to discipline the 3 progression?
I think many other players do the same bad habit as mine,can not control the emotion in the losing period.
Thanks

OK bakonlin, First, forget NU, that's for beginners who don't know how to play. Second, forget Martingale - that is suicidal.

Now, concentrate on OTB4L with TB4L as a distant back up. Thats where the money is for you for now.

Betting is your problem so lets take betting first. OK, you are playing OTB4L. The shoe is either easy or its hard. You bet accordingly. If the shoe is hard - you are losing more plays than you are winning, your max bet is 2. If you lose your 1,2 betting OTB4L you now bet ONE on the run. If you win you stay on the run until you lose and then go back to a 1 bet OTB4L

But if the shoe is easy and you are winning most of your OTB4L bets you can move up to U1D2. You still go on the run after losing your 1,2 but you go on the run with a 3 bet instead of a 1. In other words your betting must be according to how well you are doing.

BTW, You are NEVER doing good enough to bet a Martingale.

Now, if you see that the shoe is losing most of its OTB4L plays, switch to TB4L.

OK that should get you started in the right direction but the OTB4L system can be played a whole lot better than that. If You knew ALL the tricks of the trade of OTB4L you could beat almost every shoe with it.

I can't go into that kind of detail here but I do on my forum under two threads. The first is New Members Start Here and the seciond is OTB4L Tricks of the Trade.

Now I charge $50 a month. But look at it this way: thats two greens! I'll have you making that back in every single shoe you play. Hey, if I don't, you can quite at any time. But you know what? Nobody ever quits my forum because it pays for itself.

Just try it and you'll like it. If I'm wrong, no harm done. But I'm NOT WRONG!

Originally Posted by Ellis

OK bakonlin, First, forget NU, that's for beginners who don't know how to play. Second, forget Martingale - that is suicidal.

Now, concentrate on OTB4L with TB4L as a distant back up. Thats where the money is for you for now.

Betting is your problem so lets take betting first. OK, you are playing OTB4L. The shoe is either easy or its hard. You bet accordingly. If the shoe is hard - you are losing more plays than you are winning, your max bet is 2. If you lose your 1,2 betting OTB4L you now bet ONE on the run. If you win you stay on the run until you lose and then go back to a 1 bet OTB4L

But if the shoe is easy and you are winning most of your OTB4L bets you can move up to U1D2. You still go on the run after losing your 1,2 but you go on the run with a 3 bet instead of a 1. In other words your betting must be according to how well you are doing.

BTW, You are NEVER doing good enough to bet a Martingale.

Now, if you see that the shoe is losing most of its OTB4L plays, switch to TB4L.

OK that should get you started in the right direction but the OTB4L system can be played a whole lot better than that. If You knew ALL the tricks of the trade of OTB4L you could beat almost every shoe with it.

I can't go into that kind of detail here but I do on my forum under two threads. The first is New Members Start Here and the seciond is OTB4L Tricks of the Trade.

Now I charge $50 a month. But look at it this way: thats two greens! I'll have you making that back in every single shoe you play. Hey, if I don't, you can quite at any time. But you know what? Nobody ever quits my forum because it pays for itself.

Just try it and you'll like it. If I'm wrong, no harm done. But I'm NOT WRONG!

Thanks Ellis
It is a very usefull information.I will consider to try your online course.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Having lived in AC and having played the AC BJ game full time for several years I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty - a 4 bet prog is one too many. If you can't beat the table with a 3 bet prog, you aren't going to beat it. Period!

Ellis, you ever play any Spanish21 up there? I'm really beginning to look into it completely. On the surface it looks bad since 4 10s are removed, but the house edge in AC is only .40% with basic strategy. The one really good book "The Pro's Guide to Spanish 21 and Australian Pontoon" says that it's completely countable with a true count hi-lo, and can yield up to 5.8% in really high counts. It only requires the count to be -2 to be +ev (vs 0 for BJ).

Is there any heat in AC on this game? I know a 4 step could destroy the game with the spreads 1,5,10,20 (obviously a larger spread would win more, though at the expense of higher volatility).

TheArchitect

Sorry Architect, I've never looked into Spanish 21. My favorite was 8 deck BJ. The 4 deck game at the Claridge was a great game. Their 6 deck games were OK in a pinch but good 6 deck games never stayed good very long while good 8 deck games often lasted for hours. Timing is everything in AC BJ.

In Tunica their best games are 1 and 2 deck. Their 6 deck game is pretty tough. But 1 and 2 deck seem to remain good. I think its because BJ gets so little play now compared to the '90s. But geez, they only deal 3 hands in 1 deck when you play them head to head. At least its usually pretty easy to get head to head games at least for a little while.

The only game I counted was the 4 deck Claridge game. I bet that the count would go toward 0 from either direction. Easiest game I ever played. That's why they removed it.

My daily goal was $2100. I learned the hard way to quit for the day at that point. I also learned to never play weekends. The Saturday night 8 deck games were impossible. The cards were clumped to high heaven and the dealer never broke. The dealer would get a 20 or 21 right with your 20 almost every time. Hey, if you don't feel safe with a 20 its time to go to bed.

Those were the days!

I am looking into this spanish 21. Its a hot topic and take out some 10s and the deck is in your favor. I dont like BJ because I have seen 20 losses in a row. And not just once. But maybe with some 10s out of the picture. Who knows what could happen. I am always up for a good fight to the house. Once again, The only way to beat BJ is with good strat and pro card counting. Its a battle that I still cant get a control over. Disapline. Something I just cant topple. Consitration. Something my mind wonders off from. Spanish 21 will be my next goal. Thanks Arch

Originally Posted by BaccaratFann

Hi Guys,

Read a book by Lyle Stuart, he states in his book that there are no systems but he also wrote about a "system" his friend recommended.

Start with $25,50,100,200 if lose 4 in a row, change table or wait for trend to end then $50,75,150,300, same if lose 4 in a row change table or wait for trend to end then $75,100,200,400 then lastly $100,150,300,600. At anytime breaking even at the 2nd,3rd or 4th level, go back to 1st level.

I thought of using this when I see PPP or BBB in a row then bet the opposite. What you guys think?

All comments welcome.

Fann

Dear All,

Please don't do what I have mentioned, it is suicidal. Just lost $2000 in 1 hour. I waited for PPPP or BBBB then bet the opposite with a max of 3 losses then waited for the next PPPP or BBBB. I ran into 6 "dragons" ending only after 8 times. Won a few hundred in the beginning but paid the piper in the end

Fann

try this:

system 16
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cut 16 pieces of paper equally. on every piece write down one of these:

bbbb pppp bbbp pppb bbpp ppbb bppp pbbb bpbp pbpb bbpb ppbp bpbb pbpp bppb pbbp


bring 15 units with you, go to the any bacarat table. do not look at the score board

pickup 1 piece of the paper: say you picked "ppbb" on the first opportunity at the table, buy "player" 1 unit, if lose buy player 2 units, if lose, buy banker 4 units, if lose buy banker 8 units, if lose go home. if you win at any stage, put back the paper and repick again and follow the new sequence diligently. you will win.


summary: you have 15:1 ratio to win 1 unit, go home after you win 6-9 units.