Thread: Pitboss: I Beat Baccarat! (umm part 2?)

Hello again everyone~!~

Last thread was getting out of hand lol

Real quick,

I know that most of us are very skeptical about systems. But I wonder then, why are we on this forum, why do we join Baccarat groups, why do we continue to play?

If you are unable to study and learn from EVERYONE, especially those of us not trying to sell you anything, then really....what's the point? lol (just venting)

Anyway, I saw a comment stating that runs of 4,5, and 6 will kill this method. Maybe you're right or maybe you need to study more.
There's a book---Secrets of winning Baccaratby Brian D. Kayser, this is one of the best books I have ever read on Baccarat, and his method is pretty good.

I am in no way affiliated with him, just saying!

In this book he states something that I couldn't believe until I started watching more and more Baccarat tables.

Working in the business gives me an unusual amount of study time, more than the average joe.

Here it is:
There about 80 decisions/hands per shoe
Now most players track with the scorecard horizontally (sorry Ellis )

HORIZONTALLY:

Like the top box above.

-That first line will always be P,B,P or B,P,B repeating until the end of the shoe.
**there will be around 40 entries on that line**

-The second line or 2 in a rows/repeats of TWO.
**there will be around 20 entries on that line**

-The third line or 3 in a rows/repeats of THREE.
**there will be around 10 entries on that line**

-The fourth line or 4 in a rows/repeats of FOUR.
**there will be around 5 entries on that line**

-The fifth line or 5 in a rows/repeats of FIVE.
**there will be around 3 entries on that line**

-The sixth line or 6 or more in a rows/repeats.
**will only happen about 1-2 times per shoe**

If you add up the total entries--Voila!!! 80 hands!!! Grab some used scorecards after players get up or count yourself on the screen. It will work out nearly everytime this way!!

Ok...so what the hell does this mean?

That the method I am using will work because even after a run of four, where I would lose 4 units...there will be 4 times as many chances to recover and win my +4 units.

Anyways...I hope this helps a little to anyone with questions, comments, or skepticism!!

Still working....

Yes, all of this is correct. Horizontal cards are good for exposing what is running high, what is running low or what is running normal. We only use vertical cards because I started playing before horizontal cards were invented. But we have a way of precisely monitoring what is running high or low or normal with our vertical cards. The only reason I recommend vert cards for OUR students is because all our instructions are geared to them.

The only thing I say that is controvertial on this forum is that whatever is running MOST abnormal TENDS to stay that way through the duration of the shoe at hand. Everything breaks even to normal only after many, many shoes. But we play the game in shoes which are SHORT duration. You guys consider that an opinion. I consider it a fact after tens of thousands of shoes I have played which is only a small fraction of the total shoes my students have played. This one fact of Baccarat just keeps emerging from the fog no matter what country you are playing in.

The "why" of it is totally unimportant. The "fact" of it is all important. My students bare out that fact every trip they make. You don't believe it but then again, YOU don't monitor it. Our cards are designed to monitor it each and every shoe. We HAVE the data we need and then some.

Lets look at an example of why this is all important:

In every shoe he plays, Pit Boss can choose what he wants to lose to. OTB4L can lose to 4s OR it can lose to 5s. Overall, 4s are equal to 5 or mores. They are even overall, BUT in the shoe at hand they almost never are. The way Pit Boss plays he loses to 4's. BUT, if 4s are high in the shoe at hand he can "CHOOSE" to beat 4's and lose to 5s instead by simply changing his prog from 2 bets to 3 in the shoe at hand. He can also improve on that by looking at straights and ZZs separately. That is why it is all important to count ZZ run lengths correctly which almost nobody does.

Now this is only ONE example of ONE way this information of norms can be used in ONE system. We use it MANY ways in MANY systems.

Now, if Pit Boss chooses to play iron clad only ONE iron clad way then all the critics are right. He will eventually break even because in the long run everything works out to its statistical norm. He is merely enjoying a current casino spike where he is playing. BUT, if he makes that one adjustment to his play and thereby plays to the shoe at hand, he can keep right on winning and there isn't a damn thing the casino can do about it.

Now, you can choose to believe that or not. It's no skin off my nose either way. The dumber guys here will deny it out of hand with no proof whatsoever. They think all shuffle methods shuffle to a random condition and completely ignore the question of WHY the casino has different shuffle techniques or why shuffle machines have different programs.

The smarter guys will try it before making any judgements. All I can tell you is if you try it you'll like it as all my students have found. There is no other way I know of to beat Baccarat. You MUST play the shoe at hand, however you choose to do it. THAT is what WE do because THAT is what works!

HELLO
Nearly all asain play baccarat chart it this way
cheers

Right WIN1WIN2. We have many Asian students in our group at beatthecasino.com

Thanks Pitboss. I'll look for the book.

Thanks Ellis for the helpful response!

I have been adjusting from an aggressive, conservative (see last thread), and a very conservative play (waiting on 3's).

Although while I'm testing by playing very small unit amounts and getting up quickly as soon as I win my +4 units....I have stuck around longer now to continue to track without playing. I think this effective because it allows me to 'see' more clearly without any risk.

It's also strange that I have been telling a few fellow Baccarat friends about unusual trends that seem to always continue in any given shoe. An example I use is when either player or banker gets ahead by 6 or more decisions (player: 30 banker: 23) by NO means does this mean that banker will catch up. I mean how many shoes have we seen where it ends 50-30 or 45-35, etc.

So when this occurs I have switched to the very conservative play with the stronger side and a more aggressive play on the weaker side. And its been successful! Once again I STOP at 4 units! I have no idea why it seems to be such an easy target, but I always say if it aint broke...

Til next time...

Excellent play PitBoss. There is nothing that says you must bet big to be right. Often the reverse it true. It's far easier for low bettors to raise their unit when having a good day. An average of 4 or 5 blacks adds up. The cards don't know the color of your chips.

i have read the book and also have had good results,sometimes i play against the ratios when shoes are mainly 1s 2s and threes

lke ellis says all shoes are not average

wow.. it works..

Ellis, one question pls. as i am new. i like the way pit boss plays and also the way you play and explain. may i ask this one question. you state that pitboss can change his strategy from four to fives by extending his prog. he now plays after two switch bet one then two the switch bet one.
what prog would i use if i switch to five. is this correct one then two, then four so i would be up one unit even though i lost the first two. pls. explain if you would and thanks for the advice you are very insightful. thank you also pitboss and i am glad that system is working to well for you. richard

pitboss, what are you win and loss methods. i thought you said 4-7. i have been using your system with a 5unit win goal and a 10 units stop loss. i have tested it for a month on line and now have played at a casino three sessions a day and five days a week and have never lost in the casino. i know this is not a long time but it sure it interesting so thanks and send me a reponse or anyone on this method of play. thanks richard

Hi Pitboss, I do realise that you are not making money by helping bros here but as I have tried your method, I would like to point something out.

In a shoe, I normally get hit by an average about 4 4's. 4's will make me lose 4 units. 4 x 4 = 16 units.

To recover, I need 16 non 4's. But I will have to wait for 2's before betting. And normally, the shoe will end before I recover my 16 units. Normally, I will lose about 4 units per shoe. Bad hands will hit me at 8 unit losses.

I have lost 3k playing a $60 bet using this method. I have also do up my own chart to track my win/loss.

I am glad this works for you but it does not for me. I do however want to thank you for helping bros like myself here. This is what a forum is for. Cheers!

hi Pitboss/Ellis,

i didnt read all the posts thoroughly, but i think i get the main idea, and from my calculations, my comments in the bracket <> below......(do let me know if i understood your system wrongly)

-That first line will always be P,B,P or B,P,B repeating until the end of the shoe.
**there will be around 40 entries on that line**
<u will never win or lose on these, because u dont bet these, so it's zero>

-The second line or 2 in a rows/repeats of TWO.
**there will be around 20 entries on that line**
<u will definitely win on these, so +20units (20x1)>

-The third line or 3 in a rows/repeats of THREE.
**there will be around 10 entries on that line**
<u will definitely win on these too, so +10units (10x1)>

-The fourth line or 4 in a rows/repeats of FOUR.
**there will be around 5 entries on that line**
<u will definitely lose on these, so -20units (5x4)>

-The fifth line or 5 in a rows/repeats of FIVE.
**there will be around 3 entries on that line**
<u will definitely lose on these too, so -9units (3x3)>

-The sixth line or 6 or more in a rows/repeats.
**will only happen about 1-2 times per shoe**
<if it is 6 in a row, then u lose -2unit (if it happens once)>
<if it is 7 in a row, then u lose -1unit (if it happens once)>
<if it is 8 in a row, then it's break-even zero (am i right?)>


add up all the + and - above,
i can see your chance to win 4units (or more) depends on whether there is a 9 in a row (or more).

did i get anything wrong?

-That first line will always be P,B,P or B,P,B repeating until the end of the shoe.
**there will be around 40 entries on that line**

sorry everyone....my previous post might not be accurate.

Pitboss, can u confirm, is it saying 40 entries on that line? or 40 entries of PBP or BPB ?

because "40 entries on that line" can also include 2 in a row, 3 in a row, 4 in a row etc etc, u know what i mean?

The way I play this is I use three labbys, pp I bet 2x on b , pppp I bet 2x on b , pppppp I bet 2x on b,,
Enjoy

so how do you go about using this to your advantage? wait till 1 or 2 more then 6 times then marty against it?

Mr Ellis The run of the shoes as you teach with the o/r count is excellent I keep this count always on my cards but I do not use it. I have for the two years been using the play you introduced way back in 2009 using otbl-tb4l not using the o/r count and out of 222 shoes my average has been +17 units a shoe. I thank you. This method was shared to me with one of you members years ago. You have other otbl-tb4l methods I have studied but this has been a good method for me thanks.

Tao
Would you send me your system on how you play the way you just describe. Either put it on the board or send it to my email address.
I am familiar with Ellis systems.

What kind of progression are you using tao?