Thread: My Prediction System

Hi all,
I am new in this forum, but I am a long date regular high roller of the game Baccarat. I have learned many systems since the last 10 years and I ve also created my proper system which is called The Prediction System.

This system is purely mathematical applied and based on the rule of the game.

I has been happened that i could predict the streak either chop-chop or even tie. The highest record was 24 winning hands consecutively on the roll. Winning 18280 starting from 20 initial bet then double up until betting 1000 (maximum allowed).

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If you have tried different systems and you still lose, then you can find my system could be very useful.

The first rule is: DISCIPLINE. Without it, forget to make money in cas.
The second one is: CAPITAL. Earning is proportional with your capital
The third one is: MONEY MANAGEMENT. Keep track and never miss it.

MM
Play only 20 hands in a shoe. Starting at the 4th hands.
Betting 1 unit after a winning hand.
Betting 3 units after one losing hand
Betting 7 units after two losing hands
Betting 15 untis after three losing hands

is it okay if we can get bit more detail?

thank you so much

My Money Magament Methods are depending accordingly to the risk allowance and the financial conditions.

For example, this month I can use 40 000 dollars for gambling without any problem even if I lost that amount. Because I use to play 1 time per week, so my capital will be 10 000.

The first week, I plan to play 4 shoes and I try to win as much as I can.
So, I can use this MM called Progressive Money Management.

Level 1
Bet 1 if win bet 3 if win bet 5. if win bet 10 If win start over 3 times
If lose 1 bet 3, lose 3 bet 5, lose 5 bet 10. If win start over.

You ve won 50 to 80 units.

Level 2
double your units.
if passed, your total gain will be around 200 units (100$ x 200 = 20 000)

Go home.

If I lose the first week, then the second week's MM will be almost the same but It will be changed If I still lose again.

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The crucial concern of all Baccarat Players is the prediction of the next hand coming. Will it be Bank or Player? Will it be a chop chop or a long trend, or a two-three? Systems such as Follow the last hand, Follow Before the last hand or Oppose before the last hand are just to help us applying the Marginal Bet to cover our previous lost. You can never win a considerable gain and you could lose a large amount if all the bets go wrong. For me, I call them :Passive Systems. I have tried those systems long time ago.

The system that i will introduce to you is totally different than these systems. There are only 6 persons who use it and one of them was Akio Kashiwagi "The King of Baccarat".

Before we continue, I would like to advice that My Prediction System is basicallly as same as the Kashiwagi's one but it still have a secret to apply it that I have not discovered it......

It is based on the rule of Baccarat game.
8,9 is natural
6,7 is also natural but one or two more cards could be drawn.
the rule of 8
the advantage of the Bank.
The odds....
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Originally Posted by Andy

MM
Play only 20 hands in a shoe. Starting at the 4th hands.
Betting 1 unit after a winning hand.
Betting 3 units after one losing hand
Betting 7 units after two losing hands
Betting 15 untis after three losing hands

If you lose 4 in a row, that's 26 units! It's risking 15 to win 4.

This progression is even more suicidal than double up. Let's compare shall we, I'll put total at stake in brackets (), the total won if you win on that step will be in square brackets []:

Double Up:
1 (1) [1]
2 (3) [1]
4 (7) [1]
8 (15) [1]
...

Prediction Progression:
1 (1) [1]
3 (4) [2]
7 (11) [3]
15 (26) [4]
...

Fib:
1 (1) [1]
1 (2) [0]
2 (4) [0]
3 (7) [-1]
...

Mod Fib:
1 (1) [1]
2 (3) [1]
3 (6) [0]
5 (11) [-1]
...

only one problem i see with this...what happens if you lose 10 bets and 14 bets in a row, you will go broke especially if your playing 100 dollars a hand to start with. AND i have lost 10-15 hands in a row before, even after changing shoes.

Originally Posted by Andy

If you have tried different systems and you still lose, then you can find my system could be very useful.

The first rule is: DISCIPLINE. Without it, forget to make money in cas.
The second one is: CAPITAL. Earning is proportional with your capital
The third one is: MONEY MANAGEMENT. Keep track and never miss it.

MM
Play only 20 hands in a shoe. Starting at the 4th hands.
Betting 1 unit after a winning hand.
Betting 3 units after one losing hand
Betting 7 units after two losing hands
Betting 15 untis after three losing hands

Originally Posted by bacplayer2010

only one problem i see with this...what happens if you lose 10 bets and 14 bets in a row, you will go broke especially if your playing 100 dollars a hand to start with. AND i have lost 10-15 hands in a row before, even after changing shoes.

It is normal for someone to lose 15 hands in a row if he doesnot have a strategy of MM and a tactic of prediction for the coming hand.

I repeat, Money Management Method is depending on your capital or your financial capacity. There are several methods that you can select.

Now let me describe My System.

ANDY'S PREDICTION SYSTEM

First, let us analyse the number of cards drawn for one hand.
4 cards if one of Banker or Player has 8 or 9 natural.
6 cards when Banker and Player have to pull a third card for each.
5 cards when Banker or Player has 6 or 7, or the rule of 8 and 9, or when Banker has 4, 5, 6, 7 and Player's total score has less than Banker.

4, 6 are pair number. 5 is impair ( special rule applied)

Supposing A as pair cards and the winner will continue to win the following hand.
Supposing B as impair cards and the winner will lose the following hand.

Example 1
Banker has 9 and 0 Win
Player has 4 and 3 Lose


Banker win. 4 cards is pair and Banker will will again. Same for 6 cards

Example 2
Banker has 6 and 0 Lose
Player has 8 and 4 pull a third card 5 Win

Player Win. 5 cards is impair, so Player will lose the next hand.

When the coming result is right we mark a sign + as positive
When the coming result is wrong we mark a sign - as negative.

At the beginning, you can use a score card to write down then you can discover the pattern of positive and negative. It has a negative correlation with the board.

I did win 26 hands in a row in doubling every hand until attain the limit of bet. The average trends is 7 in a row . 1-2-4-8-16-32-64.

You can find a constant repeat of tie hand. Also, you can predict the serie of chop-chop in a negative trend or the serie of long in a postive trend.

Discover yourselves and good luck to all !!!

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So if you have a - - + + pattern and if the last draw had 4 cards, your next play reading the cards would be to play the last winner. But if you play the pattern your next play would be - or opposite the winner. So which do you play? The pattern or what the cards are saying?

In May 1990, Akio Kashiwagi again broke records. During a marathon high stakes baccarat session at the Trump Plaza that lasted 6 days, Akio lost US$10 million. This still stands as the largest single loss in Baccarat history. Casino owner, Donald J. Trump is quoted as saying that Akio was up more than US$10 million before losing.
In January 1992, Akio Kashiwagi was found dead at his Mount Fuji home with 150 stab wounds. At the time of his death Akio still had casino debts to be settled in the order of at least US$9 million, owing US$5 million to the Las Vegas Hilton and US$4 million to the Trump Plaza in Atlantic City.

Was he really the king of baccarat????

My account is taking a beating trying this. I tried it as written, lose. I tried opposite, lose. I tried lab and fibo, lose. It does get your mind off P and B though as you don't even care what comes up. I have an idea of playing just repeating winners. So if P won and it won with 4 or 6 cards then play it again. If it was 5 cards skip a hand till 4 or 6 card hand wins again. I will use semi aggressive fibo sequence 1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55

I played 5 times, goal was for 4 units+ for each

1) +8 units - most wrong in a row was 6 hit 21 in fibo started off 4 losses, recovered
2) +8 units - most wrong in a row was 6 hit 21 in fibo started off 5 losses, recovered
3) +8 units - most wrong in a row was 3 hit 5 in fibo
4) +8 units - most wrong in a row was 2 hit 3 in fibo
5) +10units - most wrong in a row was 3 hit 5 in the fibo caught a streak at the end

I will proceed with caution and might even go down to the conservative fibo 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55 to help out with the beginning losing streaks.

Cont,

6) +10 u - most wrong in a row(mwr) was 4, hit 8 on fibo
7) +6 u - mwr 5, started off with 5 losses, hit 21 on fibo
8) +6 u - mwr 2, hit 3 on fibo
9) +8 u - mwr 3, hit 5 on fibo

I am going to strat betting after 1 win has occured. This should help eliminate the losses at the beginning.

I am going to strat betting after 1 win has occured. This should help eliminate the losses at the beginning

You are absolutely right!!!

Today, I have caught 5 times long trends
+ + + + + + + - - - - - + + + + + + - - - + + + + + +
I bet 100 on second positive then 200 then 300 let it ride and won 1200
then bet 200 on second negative then 400 then 600 and let it ride won another 1200. Bet 300 on second postive then double to 600 and let it ride won 2100 more. Bet 400 on second negative made only 400. Keep betting 400 not double this time and made another 1600.

Won 6000 tonight in 1 hour. However, the longest trend was 4 hands in a row for Bank or Player.

Cheers

Is there anyone else using my system? And how is it?

Thats great Andy. While I'm not at your betting level yet, I'm hoping to get there. Did you lose big bets when the streaks ended? I might just be too conservative. I'm trying separate fibo lines, one for + and one for -. So one can make up for the other if its not winning, and if both are winning its a bonus. I figure they both can't lose, one has to be winning or at least staying even.

Andy and Srtzee,

Can either of you post up your shoes that you played these on so we can all see the flow of the game and to compare against other plans?

AD

Hi,

I've done a little testing and so far my hits look like this:

LWLWWWWLWWLLWW

LWWWWWWWWLLLWLW

WLWW

LWWLWWLLWWLWLLWLWW

thats 32 hits in the first 51 hands which is a 62.7% hit rate over four shoes. Not bad. Of course need to test over 1000's of more hands, but not a bad start.

I think I probably modified it, but this how I was playing it. Four or six cards dealt--stick with the last winner. Five cards dealt--opposite last winner. I was playing a very consevative D'alembert progression 1,1.5,2,2.5 etc. If i hit the 2.5, for example, my next bet would be 2.0. If I hit I dropback to 1 unit. I miss I'm up to 3.0. I have a max loss of eight units and a profit goal of 4-8 units after commission.Playing with $10 units, I cleared 61.50, 55.50, 24.00, and 52.75=193.75 in an hour of play.

I think this is taking advantage of situations where player is drawing weak(ie not a pip value large enough to beat banker), or banker is drawing strong(good card for banker). May be wrong on this part--what do the experts think?

I should also mention that these four shoes were streaky for the most part and that chops may be a weakness(that will pan out with more hands). I had no specific entry or exit point because the trigger requirements really do not require one. Also, the shoes are six decked hand shuffled at the Black Orchid online casino.

Andy and SRTZEE (and offcourse all the other members).

Included you'll find an excel-file with a recording of 7 shoes from Live Casino (Unibet).

Could you please fill this excel-sheet with the bettings you should do?

You should help me very well and the other members also.
Also a little more explanation about the different MM examples in this thread.

Thanks in advance.

I would try to record other shoes today so everybody can use this for testing your or its own system

The excel can't be done as you need to know how many cards were dealt with each hand. 4 or 6 cards is a + and 5 cards is a - I would wait for a 4 or 6 then if the next hand was right and it was 4 or 6 cards dealt I would start the fibo progression.

Ex B 9,9 P 2,3 So banker wins 8-5 this was 4 cards dealt a + next play will be on B to win again. If B wins again with 4 or 6 cards I would then start the progression.

Hey, SRTZEE.

I think you can use the exel. p6 means player won with 6 cards dealt, p5 means player wons with 5 cards dealt. b4 means banker wons with 4 cards dealt, b5 means banker wons with 5 cards dealt. T5 means it was tie with 5 cards dealt. I will insert a third column with +- on it. Maybe it is then clearer.

Hey, SRTZEE. You'll find here an exel with 8 shoes and the +- included.

Hi Andy & the rest,

Your Prediction System is very interesting, I am yet to try it out.

Do you think it may help with R/N count? Meaning when you have the + or - with your 4,6 & 5 card prediction, we add on the Repeat & Opposite or R/N counts as to confirm betting on streak or opposite?

For example, If your count is +++ for 2 & 6 or even 5 card for Banker win bet and the R/N counts of +6 on ZZ for next banker win bet, then we can bet on banker win. But if the R/n count is favoring player win bet, then we may skip the bet?

BTW, when you guys use Fibo, do you bet one bet backwards for a win or two step backwards to neutralize the bet? Do you keep betting 1 unit on wins or double it on wins? Ofcouse you bet on Fibo on losing, right? I have been trying on Fibo but sometimes it loses on 7 steps and it is very frustrating. May be skipping a bet after losing and resume on next winning bet may help on Fibo, what is your advice? What maximum step should we use on Fibo with a starting minumum bet of only 5 dollars, 10 - 12 steps to ensure wins?

Please advise, ok?

Can anyone explain either mathematically or statistically how the number of cards in the prior round has any influence on the current hand? Why not go by whether the last card in the prior round was red or black? At least that would be a 50/50 outcome.

Originally Posted by Ellis

Can anyone explain either mathematically or statistically how the number of cards in the prior round has any influence on the current hand? Why not go by whether the last card in the prior round was red or black? At least that would be a 50/50 outcome.

A little example:
Assuming 13 cards in a sequence. Player pulls the first card
Player Bank
1 3 5 = 9 2 4 = 6
Player win 5 cards. So the follow winning hand will be Banker
Next hand will be
Player Bank
6 8 10 = 4 7 9 = 6
Banker win 5 cards . Positve + . The next hand will be Player
J K 2 =2 Q A 3 = 4
Banker win 6 cards. The result is wrong. Negative.
4 6 8 5 7 9
Player win 6 cards. The result still be wrong. Negative.
10 Q A J K 2
Bank wil 6 cards. Still wrong. Negative
3 5 4 6
Player will 4 cards. Wrong. Negative
7 9 8 10
Banker win 4 cards. Wrong. Negative
Then come back to
J K 2 Q A 3
Banker win 6. Right. Postive

It looks like this
P B B P B P B B
+ - - - - - +

I had the following results yesterday:

32/51
10/17
0/3
17/31
9/14
24/40
5/9
1/5
24/32
3/7
9/15
4/9
19/26
157/259 = 60.1%

I had win streaks of 4 or better nine times with the longest strek being eight in a row. If i had three straight losses I would sit and wait.These would usually occur in long chops. Once the chop stopped i would resume.

Four cards and six cards dealt I stick with the last winner
Five cards dealt I would bet opposite last winner.
If I missed three in a row I would quit or wait a few hands.
I abandoned the dalembert.Flat bet, jumping up on a run of wins by a half unit or 1 unit. I dont think this is what Andy's system is. I believe it is a variation. Chopiness is the weakness. That is why it is importtant to stop after three losses on a chop. Catches most streaks of two or more--kind of a follow the last with a random twist. There may be some relation between the drawing rules and why this worked. Anyway--much more testing required.

Yes GH, I only used fibo to be more conservative then Andys 1,3,7,15 progression. Get up 4 units or so and get out. You can keep it conservative and just increase your unit size....

Also GH your progression is too conservative. If you use Fibo the sum of your last number has to be the sum of the previous 2 numbers combined. Ex 1,2,3,5,8 the 8 is the 5,3 combined, so once you win that your next bet is 2. I think more progress can be made using Fibo on this. As always risk/reward depends on the type of player you are.

Originally Posted by siske

Hey, SRTZEE. You'll find here an exel with 8 shoes and the +- included.

Not sure when I'll have the time, but is it correct? In shoe 1 line 12 it's B4 so you bet on B again, and the next hand B wins yet you have it marked as a loss????

Again in shoe 1 line 35 is B4 so you would be B again, next hand B wins and you have it marked as a loss????